[00:01] <DarkAceZ> how do I change the nofile limit? I already edited /etc/security/limits.conf and restarted, but ulimit -n still shows my old value (1024)
[00:01] <bekks> DarkAceZ: Then what exactly did you put into that file?
[00:02] <DarkAceZ> *               hard    nofile          65535
[00:02] <DarkAceZ> *               soft    nofile          65535
[00:02] <bekks> I dont think wildcards will work at that point.
[00:02] <teaearlgraycold> Should NVidia's drivers show up in the "Additional Drivers" section?
[00:02] <DarkAceZ> they're in examples
[00:02] <pawprint> how can i check which version of ubntu i'm running?
[00:02] <teaearlgraycold> Because they're not
[00:03] <EriC^^> pawprint: lsb_release =a
[00:03] <DarkAceZ> what should I put there? my user?
[00:03] <EriC^^> pawprint: sorry, lsb_release -a
[00:03] <bekks> DarkAceZ: Yes, your user
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> DarkAceZ: http://askubuntu.com/questions/162229/how-do-i-increase-the-open-files-limit-for-a-non-root-user
[00:03] <pawprint> EriC^^: thanks!
[00:05] <DarkAceZ> thank you, ActionParsnip
[00:07] <k1l_> teaearlgraycold: what video cards you got?
[00:07] <teaearlgraycold> GTX 970 coming form a 7970
[00:07] <ActionParsnip> DarkAceZ: np dude
[00:08] <teaearlgraycold> Okay nomodeset got me to the desktop but I installed nvidia-331 and I still get a black screen on boot
[00:09] <teaearlgraycold> I really just want to wipe my SSD at this point :P
[00:09] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: did you disable nomodeset at this point?
[00:09] <teaearlgraycold> Yes
[00:10] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: boot a live session, mount the disk and pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log from the install
[00:11] <teaearlgraycold> Thanks but I really am overdue for a system reset at this point. I'll get a live boot going though
[00:11] <teaearlgraycold> My windows partition's super screwed (has been since MS botched the 7 update)
[00:11] <daftykins> this isn't a place to speak of Windows woes
[00:12] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: so it wasn't a 14.04.1 clean install?
[00:12] <teaearlgraycold> No
[00:12] <acer> who speaks Polish?
[00:12] <k1l_> !pl | acer
[00:12] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: i'd be willing to bet the PPA drivers aren't new enough for your card
[00:12] <teaearlgraycold> Yeah maybe
[00:12] <daftykins> hang on let me see if i can confirm
[00:12] <teaearlgraycold> So I'd have to do 14.10 on my reinstall?
[00:13] <daftykins> no, i'd say avoid 14.10 actually
[00:13] <daftykins> stick with LTS - it keeps a smile on your face longer
[00:13] <acer> ubotu thank you
[00:13] <hypoon> Hi everyone, I've been asked to help fix an Ubuntu desktop computer, but I'm more of a Gentoo guy myself, so I'm completely stumped over what could be causing the current issue.
[00:14] <daftykins> hypoon: what's going on?
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> hypoon: what symptoms do you see?
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> hypoon: both are linux based so not a million miles of difference
[00:15] <hypoon> It appears that the system was interrupted during an upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04. Now the system boots when I choose the second newest kernel, but does not boot when I choose the newest kernel.
[00:15] <teaearlgraycold> So what should I do?
[00:15] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: yeah you need newer than the 331.
[00:15] <teaearlgraycold> Can I get a .deb or something for a newer version?
[00:15] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: up to you, nuke it and put a clean 14.04.1 on if you want, or work on this install.
[00:16] <hypoon> The system is running a RAID1 setup, and mdadm complains about creating a group disk repetitively when I choose the most recent kernel.
[00:16] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: two choices, add the xorg-edgers PPA, or download and install manually from nvidia
[00:16] <teaearlgraycold> Nah, gotta nuke. It's over a year old
[00:16] <teaearlgraycold> Alright, thanks
[00:16] <daftykins> well you might as well get it working now to know it will beforehand
[00:16] <daftykins> hope you purged all the fglrx junk
[00:16] <teaearlgraycold> daftykins, didn't
[00:17] <daftykins> seriously...
[00:17] <teaearlgraycold> gg
[00:17] <teaearlgraycold> Momentum's too strong, my live USB drive's almost done
[00:17] <hypoon> The system boots successfully on 3.13.0-37, but fails on 3.13.0-43.
[00:17] <teaearlgraycold> Don't want to fiddle around with it for another hour - gonna do what I know will work
[00:18] <daftykins> except that until i shared, you didn't :)
[00:18] <daftykins> hypoon: so set 37 as default and be happy \o/
[00:19] <hypoon> daftykins: That's the backup plan, but I'd like to fix the underlying problem if I can.
[00:19] <dasjoe> hypoon: boot into -37 and check "dkms status" for missing modules in -43
[00:20] <hypoon> mdadm says "create group disk not found", repeatedly in an infinite loop (when I choose -43). Ok, dkms status, running it now...
[00:20] <hypoon> "nvidia-304, 304.125, 3.13.0-37-generic, x86_64: installed"
[00:21] <daftykins> totally irrelevant, i would say
[00:21] <hypoon> but, of course, that's for -37. I don't know anything about DKMS, I don't use it in Gentoo.
[00:21] <daftykins> well it's the debian kernel module system
[00:21] <daftykins> it handles module management on kernel upgrade
[00:22] <pbx> EriC^^, thanks for the tip. i've asked the question many times and never gotten that lead
[00:22] <daftykins> but i think lsmod comparisons would be more relevant here, except of course you can't boot with -43 can you?
[00:22] <hypoon> nope, can't get in with -43.
[00:22] <EriC^^> pbx: no problem
[00:24] <hypoon> I did my best to finish the distribution upgrade myself, by using apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, dpkg --configure -a, and apt-get install -f. I must have borked something somewhere.
[00:24] <hypoon> I tried rebuilding the initramfs, using update-initramfs -c -k all, but that didn't seem to do anything
[00:25] <hypoon> I tried update-grub, that didn't seem to help anything either.
[00:25] <hypoon> (all the commands seemed to function correctly, they just didn't help solve the problem)
[00:25] <daftykins> hypoon: this any good? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1335642
[00:26] <alex_nub1> Im giving up.
[00:26] <EriC^^> pbx: use if ( upower --monitor-detail | grep -qs discharging ); then bash /script/to/brightness; fi
[00:26] <hypoon> daftykins: does not appear to be the same problem
[00:27] <notmorpheus> Does anyone know how to make a bundle file from a crt file?
[00:27] <hypoon> I get "mdadm: CREATE group disk not found" in a loop, without any other lines.
[00:27] <EriC^^> pbx: add an else for when it's charging, you might need to add a sleep before the if incase it runs too quickly before upower
[00:28] <hypoon> I just got an update prompt asking me to get updated software for the computer, including kernel upgrades, headers, extra modules, etc... Why wouldn't apt-get have already gotten these?
[00:29] <Mendax> hey
[00:29] <daftykins> hypoon: meh, it was in the results :>
[00:29] <Mendax> having a problem installing kali
[00:29] <daftykins> Mendax: it is not supported in here
[00:29] <Mendax> gives me a beep and a blinking cursor when trying to installl it
[00:29] <daftykins> join #kali-linux
[00:29] <OerHeks> kali has its own issues
[00:30] <k1l_> Mendax: no kali suppor there. thanks
[00:32] <k__> hi?
[00:32] <hypoon> Complete Generic Linux kernel and headers, Generic Linux kernel headers, Generic Linux kernel image, Header files related to Linux kernel version 3.13.0, Linux kernel extra modules for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP, Linux kernel headers for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[00:32] <hypoon> I guess I'll try installing those?
[00:32] <bashfr3ak> so i gave the acl option to an ext4 fs in fstab but i see no acl in mount output?
[00:32] <daftykins> hypoon: why?
[00:32] <alex_nub1> hypoon apt-get dist-upgrade?
[00:32] <hypoon> daftykins: because they're there?
[00:33] <hypoon> alex_nub1: I don't think I tried that
[00:33] <daftykins> lol, making it up as you go along eh
[00:33] <wlxmhls> xubuntu lubuntu , which is faster / friendly
[00:33] <daftykins> well i would surely hope said install was updated before coming in here with a problem
[00:33] <daftykins> hypoon: that's sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade # btw
[00:33] <hypoon> daftykins: I thought I got all the updates apt-get had available, and then it presents me with more all of a sudden in the GUI.
[00:33] <k1l_> wlxmhls: focus of lubuntu is lightweight and older /small systems
[00:34] <hypoon> daftykins: I guess dist-upgrade does more than just upgrade?
[00:34] <daftykins> hypoon: nope
[00:35] <k1l_> hypoon: it installs packages that are needed for updateing other packages. but its not a 14.04 to 14.10 upgrade
[00:35] <Bashing-om> wlxmhls: AND :: Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware.
[00:35] <wlxmhls> k1l_: thanks. is it more friendly than xubuntu?
[00:35] <hypoon> k1l_: That's exactly what I was trying to avoid, I don't want to upgrade to 14.10
[00:35] <k1l_> wlxmhls: what is more friendly? its not like xubuntu is shouting at you
[00:36] <k1l_> hypoon: it does not upgrade to 14.10
[00:36] <pbx> energy saving?
[00:36] <hypoon> apt-get upgrade does nothing. apt-get dist-upgrade suggests some updates...
[00:37] <wlxmhls> k1l_: i am using xubuntu now, so I am not sure if I can get used to lubuntu
[00:37] <k1l_> wlxmhls: do you need to change then?
[00:37] <alex_nub1> wlxmhls try it in a vm. Both are good
[00:37] <hypoon> So what's the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade? *goes googling*
[00:37] <HZun> in the ubuntu mini.iso expert installer, you have the option to "Detect virtual driver disks from hardware manufacturer", what exactly does this do?
[00:38] <k1l_> !dist-upgrade | hypoon
[00:38] <Bashing-om> hypoon: "dist-upgrade" installs new packages. whereas "update' does not .
[00:39] <hypoon> Bashing-om: update appeared to be refreshing apt-get's cache, but it certainly didn't install anything at all.
[00:40] <k1l_> hypoon: apt-get update just gets a new package list from server
[00:40] <hypoon> k1l_: right, that was my understanding.
[00:40] <wlxmhls> k1l_: my laptop is a very old, and I want it more effective. I will try lubuntu. thanks!
[00:41] <hypoon> k1l_: so apt-get update refreshes the local package db, apt-get dist-upgrade does a system update, and apt-get upgrade does... what?
[00:41] <k1l_> hypoon: 1sst: yes, 2nd yes, 3rd: it updates packages that are installed and dont need to install new packages
[00:41] <daftykins> hypoon: already explained above.
[00:42] <alex_nub1> Dist upgrade may add new packages while upgrade only updates old ones
[00:42] <k1l_> hypoon: example: the kernel image is a meta package which just links to the real package. you need "dist-upgrade" to install the new real kernel package when the meta package gets updated
[00:43] <alex_nub1> Im reinstalling tomorrow btw. Fucked my system.
[00:43] <hypoon> I think I get it now. I don't entirely understand why it's useful, but I'm OK with that. Ubuntu's not my cup of tea I guess....
[00:43] <hypoon> Alright all, thanks for the help! If it doesn't work, I'll be back in 5.
[00:44] <k1l_> hypoon: that is a bit confusing since its grown over the years. really really way back it was used for release-upgrades like 14.04-14.10 upgrades, so now its use is other than the names might sound
[00:44] <alex_nub1> hypoon its debian. Its the "stable" way of upgrading
[00:44] <daftykins> it's totally gonna make no difference. but ah well
[00:44] <EriC^^> alex_nub1: what's the problem?
[00:44] <hypoon> k1l_: Oooh, THAT is something I can see happening.
[00:44] <alex_nub1> EriC^^ ecryptfs
[00:45] <EriC^^> pbx: if you end up using it let me know, you might need to modify the grep cause it might hang waiting for upower when it's charging, so grep for something it'll find for sure then take the status ( or awk it )
[00:45] <hypoon> Thanks again, I've got my fingers crossed whether this is expected to work or not.
[00:48] <hid> hello
[00:48] <hid> i'd like to know how to uninstall the previous dependencies i installed? :/
[00:49] <EriC^^> hid: sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:49] <EriC^^> hid: /var/log/apt/history.log has a list of recently installed packages
[00:50] <hid> EriC^^: what is after 'autoremove' ?
[00:50] <EriC^^> nothing
[00:50] <hid> because i tried but it says there's nothing to remove :/
[00:50] <EriC^^> hid: what are you doing exactly?
[00:51] <EriC^^> what are you trying to uninstall?
[00:51] <hid> i installed some qt dependencies but in fact i didn't need them
[00:51] <hid> around 50Mb
[00:52] <EriC^^> check the apt log and remove them
[00:52] <alex_nub1> OT: i wonder who would care about 50mb
[00:52] <alex_nub1> 240gb ssd is 80€
[00:52] <hid> EriC^^: apt-get remove blabla?
[00:52] <EriC^^> hid: check what will be uninstalled if you remove them though
[00:52] <EriC^^> hid: yeah, or purge blabla
[00:53] <hid> ok thank you
[01:03] <GeekDude> is there a list of all the applications that come installed on ubuntu 14.04 desktop by default?
[01:03] <daftykins> why?
[01:03] <GeekDude> I'm just wondering
[01:05] <Stanley00> GeekDude: how about boot up a ubuntu 14.04 live cd and run "dpkg --get-selections" to get that list?
[01:05] <GeekDude> That's not a bad idea
[01:06] <OerHeks> some info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes
[01:06] <EriC^^> GeekDude: yeah there is
[01:06] <EriC^^> GeekDude: less /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz
[01:07] <EriC^^> Stanley00: live cd isn't the same as it has other packages like gparted ( btw you can find that as a .manifest in the releases page )
[01:08] <Stanley00> EriC^^: I just gonna to say that too...
[01:09] <sasha_> Greetings. Does anyone know command line syntax to open .csv (comma separated values) files using LibreOffice?
[01:10] <Stanley00> sasha_: why not "libreoffice file.csv" ?
[01:11] <ablest> hi
[01:11] <ablest> i need some help
[01:11] <Stanley00> ablest: hi, just ask your questions here :3
[01:11] <ablest> im getting cl_flushentitypacket in cs 1.6 im on ubuntu steam os
[01:12] <ablest> virus?
[01:12] <EriC^^> i think it's a opencl error?
[01:12] <ablest> what do i do?
[01:13] <sasha_> Stanley00: I need a way to specify the delimiter options, along with opening the file, otherwise it will need me to manually intervene and set the delimiter options on the popup window.
[01:16] <Stanley00> sasha_: why? You will end up "intervene" with the file at last. Using mouse and select options is faster than type all the options in commandline (if there's any)
[01:18] <sasha_> Stanley00: The final goal is to never load the GUI. The command will open the .csv file and run a macro and then close. This operation will be run every hour via cron job. It's updating products for a website.
[01:18] <GeekDude> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-desktop this looks like a sufficient list
[01:18] <GeekDude> at least, for my purposes
[01:19] <Stanley00> sasha_: well, then I think you should better convert that macro to python or some other things :3
[01:19] <Stanley00> sasha_: python, or awk if that csv is *simple* enough ;)
[01:20] <sasha_> Stanley00: That's above my knowledge, but I may look into it. Is there any way to prevent libreoffice from showing the options window when loading a .csv sheet?
[01:21] <ahrenstein> Hey everyone. Is there a way to allow puppet agent to read a file but not a root user?
[01:21] <sasha_> Stanley00: If there was a way to set permanent default delimiters in calc, that would work as well.
[01:22] <Stanley00> sasha_: I searched for some options like that in google but not hope. Python has csv module, so I think it's not hard to convert to python.
[01:24] <sasha_> Stanley00: This link shows libreoffice man page: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/en/man1/ooimpress.1.html and this one shows some filter options, but I wasn't able to figure out how to implement them: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Spreadsheets/Filter_Options
[01:25] <daftykins> sasha_: i bet libre has a channel
[01:26] <sasha_> daftykins: I checked, but didn't see much action happening there... :(
[01:26] <daftykins> sasha_: you have to be patient when it comes to free help :)
[01:27] <sasha_> Stanley00: Basically, what I need to do is open a .csv file while using the --headless option (no gui)
[01:27] <sasha_> daftykins: Yes, I understand :)
[01:29] <daftykins> sasha_: hey, you know it sounds more like you could do whatever with your csv files from BASH instead of even having to invoke a libre program, depending on what you need to do. are you replacing a field?
[01:31] <Stanley00> sasha_: sorry, but I don't use libreoffice much, so I don't think I can help you more with that. But I still recommend you to convert that macro to python, perl or using awk/bash to process your csv files. Or better, why not use database instead of csv for storing data?
[01:32] <sasha_> daftykins: Yes, that's a posibility. I was really hoping to have the flexibility of running a libreoffice macro.
[01:32] <daftykins> well you can't get much more flexible than modifying a text file
[01:32] <sasha_> Stanley00: Thanks for the pointers stanley. I'll look into it
[01:32] <daftykins> why complicate matters
[01:33] <sasha_> Very true, thanks daftykins
[01:42] <Pinkamena_D> I have a button on my laptop which is indeed supposed to be for rotating the display, but I would like to assign it to something else.
[01:43] <Pinkamena_D> I can assign it in the keyboard shortcuts but this assign it to do both the action I assign and also rotate the screen, which I do not want.
[01:43] <Pinkamena_D> Is there a file somewhere which defines this rotation, because I can not seem to find it in the standard keyboard shortcuts gui
[02:03] <CrazyM4n> I want to mess around with something like this http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html
[02:03] <CrazyM4n> But my /dev/audio or /dev/dsp doesn't do anything
[02:04] <CrazyM4n> How could I get them to work?
[02:04] <HZun> do you guys use the http or https mirrors when installing ubuntu?
[02:05] <lasdam1> how do I troubleshoot (u)swsusp resuming not working? both uswsusp and swsusp allows for the hibernation and shutdown process, but nothing is resumed
[02:06] <teward> HZun: I use standard HTTP mirrors, however, I have the actual domain-to-IP definitions in my /etc/hosts file...
[02:06] <HZun> teward, how come you dont use the https mirrors?
[02:07] <daftykins> we're not all paranoid computer users here, HZun
[02:07] <teward> HZun: never got around to changing them to HTTPS.  But since I KNOW the IPs of the Ubuntu archive mirror I use, and it's explicitly defined, I'm less concerned about the source because it's really hard to fail the lookup when it's defined explicitly in my /etc/hosts
[02:07] <HZun> teward, ok.
[02:08] <daftykins> well someone could still MITM you, but yeah unlikely
[02:09] <HZun> daftykins, yeah. its just the ubuntu installer lets you choose between http, https, and ftp. and i was just thinking, are there any disadvantages about using the https option?
[02:09] <daftykins> i don't remember ever seeing that option
[02:09] <teward> daftykins: indeed - but it makes it harder to MITM via DNS poisoning :)
[02:09] <MrChris> 2 second delay SSL key exchange
[02:09] <teward> (at least, in my setup_
[02:10] <MrChris> Your ISP is already running a MITM attack :P
[02:10] <Stanley00> but I thought all packages must be verified before unpacked and install ?
[02:10] <HZun> im using the 14.04.1 mini.ios
[02:10] <HZun> mini.iso*
[02:12] <rtd2> I am trying to enable php pdo_odbc for php 5.6.0 on my Ubuntu server. I normally use apt for package management, but this seems to only be doable via manually compiling the source for php. I downloaded the source and tried to run configure, and make, but I keep getting missing package errors, yet they are in fact installed
[02:14] <daftykins> rtd2: nobody here is going to be able to do much without a pastebin'd log of what happened
[02:14] <lasdam1> why isn't ubuntu resuming from last session after hibernation?
[02:16] <t43tg3hh4> i heard there were bugs when trying to hibernate which sucks
[02:17] <lasdam1> :|
[02:20] <justlooked> Всем привет
[02:20] <daftykins> !ru
[02:21] <daftykins> !root | root
[02:21] <daftykins> ugh wrong thing
[02:21] <daftykins> oh it was a quit
[02:21]  * daftykins facepalms
[02:30] <ablest> hi
[02:31] <daftykins> hi
[02:34] <Demon_Jester> anyone able to help me? It says that my flash player (youtube porn etc..) says I need ot update and when I do it says that flash player is up to date, but it shows that silverlight is out of date, and when i try to update silverlight it sends me to documentation and not download link, and just curious how owuld i update silverlight?
[02:34] <Demon_Jester> would*
[02:35] <daftykins> silverlight doesn't exist for Linux
[02:35] <Demon_Jester> mozilla plugin
[02:35] <MrChris> You can't update/install silverlight on a Linux os
[02:35] <MrChris> There's an alternative called moonlight I think...
[02:36] <daftykins> or pipelight too
[02:36] <MrChris> That one ^
[02:37] <zykotick9> Demon_Jester: fyi, adobe dropped support for flash on gnu/linux...  no new versions, ever.
[02:37] <Demon_Jester> that is what I thought since silverlight is microsoft thing, but idk why it redirects me to silverlight
[02:37] <daftykins> i think you're clicking the wrong thing
[02:37] <Demon_Jester> zykotick9 so i have to deal with "allow adobe flash" everytime I go to youtube or a porn site?
[02:37] <MrChris> Because its checking if your browser supports it and if not sending a redirect
[02:37] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: or install a pepperflash wrapper, or move to chrome. your choice
[02:38] <MrChris> That's a setting.
[02:38] <Demon_Jester> pepper flash.. hmm
[02:38] <MrChris> A Firefox setting
[02:39] <MrChris> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debian-ubuntu-mint-linux-upgrade-flash-player.html
[02:39] <rtd2> daftykins: http://pastebin.com/KvZF7x4Y
[02:40] <MrChris> That's an old link
[02:40] <rtd2> sorry it took so long, I am new to this
[02:40] <Demon_Jester> MrChrist thanks for the link but I did, and I would download tar.gz and try to install it myself, but it wont do it I even tried.. I think its APT (ubunto 10.04+)
[02:41] <MrChris> Once you download the tar.gz you just need to move the files to the right location... I believe
[02:41] <MrChris> The .so file etc
[02:41] <daftykins> rtd2: no idea where you'd get said headers if it isn't already a package
[02:41] <Demon_Jester> MrChrist oh really? hmm I will try that.
[02:42] <rtd2> daftykins: yah, I have the unixODBC package installed, according to apt-get, but it's not in the directory that you see in that paste
[02:42] <daftykins> MrChris: that's not going to help and that's also terrible advice
[02:42] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: don't bother
[02:42] <rtd2> daftykins: I am not sure how to find out which directory it's in
[02:42] <daftykins> that's not how you install flash on ubuntu :P
[02:42] <MrChris> Thanks daftykins
[02:43] <grisisiknis> testing
[02:43] <cioft> What's going on
[02:43] <cioft> Been a while
[02:43] <daftykins> rtd2: *shrug* seems to be after a header package of some kind
[02:43] <cioft> #
[02:43] <Demon_Jester> daftykins what would be the "correct" way?
[02:43] <daftykins> cioft: support questions only in here, #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[02:43] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: there isn't one, flash isn't getting updated
[02:43] <MrChris> Using the flash installer I'm assuming.
[02:43] <cioft> ok, how do I change rooms?
[02:43] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: i already said what can be done
[02:43] <Demon_Jester> daftykins pepperflash wrapper?
[02:44] <daftykins> cioft: "/join #ubuntu-offtopic"
[02:44] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: if you want to keep firefox, yes
[02:44] <MrChris> Here's another useless link http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/flashmanual
[02:44] <Demon_Jester> daftykins ok I will do that then.
[02:44] <rtd2> daftykins: I'm assuming that it expects the unixODBC header package to be in /usr/local/include, yet it's not there
[02:44] <MrChris> locate odbc.h
[02:45] <rtd2> nothing
[02:45] <daftykins> rtd2: *shrug* try some php people maybe. you went outside of support when you started compiling really :)
[02:45] <rtd2> got yah
[02:45] <rtd2> thanks for giving it a shot, greatly appreciate it!
[02:46] <daftykins> np
[02:46] <Demon_Jester> ok so i have another problem, i try to execute a package via CLI, it says it cannot be execute because it doesnt exist, but it does, and I found another directory where it is located, and tried to symbolic link BUT it says it already exists.. it works if I print the whole directory /usr/sbin/packagename but i dont what to do that everytime
[02:46] <daftykins> "package" ?
[02:46] <Demon_Jester> airodump-ng
[02:46] <daftykins> sorry, not helping you with that.
[02:47] <rypervenche> Demon_Jester: It needs to be run as root, and /usr/sbin is not in your default PATH variable.
[02:47] <MrChris> What's your problem daftykins...
[02:47] <Demon_Jester> daftykins sorry you feel that way, but its not what you think i have a computer shover in a corner I use to "test"
[02:47] <MrChris> At least you said sorry... I guess
[02:47] <Demon_Jester> shoved*
[02:48] <rypervenche> Demon_Jester: Good luck convincing anyone ~_^
[02:48] <daftykins> MrChris: take your attitude elsewhere thanks
[02:48] <MrChris> There's nothing wrong with airodump, he just doesn't want to help
[02:48] <MrChris> My attitude?
[02:48] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: i don't care what you are up to, i'm simply stating i won't help with that :)
[02:48] <daftykins> you're always welcome to ask for a refund of course :)
[02:48] <MrChris> haha
[02:49] <MrChris> Demon_Jester, just search, "how to install airocrack-ng on Ubuntu"
[02:49] <MrChris> You'll get a 1000 hits.
[02:50] <daftykins> answer was already provided, potentially
[02:50] <Demon_Jester> mrchris thanks but this problem wasn't happening earlier, it may have been when my laptop shut off cause the battery died and caused a glitch.
[02:50] <Demon_Jester> /usr/sbin needs to be a path variable I think someone mentioned earlier.
[02:50] <MrChris> daftykins, run as root and make sure your $PATH is correct is not the answer
[02:51] <daftykins> how do you know?
[02:51] <Demon_Jester> but hell I am not going mess with it, I am burning arch linux on a usb drive atm anyways.
[02:51] <MrChris> I'm making an assumption
[02:51] <MrChris> Probably an incorrect one
[02:51] <MrChris> :)
[02:51] <MrChris> My suggestion is to reinstall the "package"
[02:52] <MrChris> Anyway have a lovely day daftykins
[02:52] <kevdog_> arch is good.  Once using it for a while, it makes using ubuntu and configuation a whole lot easier
[02:52] <daftykins> MrChris: cool, you too - try not to mislead too many peeps :)
[02:52] <rypervenche> MrChris: Please do not provide help if you don't know the answer. aircrack-ng must be run as root to work. His normal user also did not have /usr/sbin in his PATH, but regardless, it should be run as root.
[02:52] <MrChris> Ouch!
[02:53] <daftykins> and that flash 'advice', damn
[02:53] <Demon_Jester> guys calm down I will go to aircrack channel next time, but that is not the case I want to get into more "advance" linux and figured archlinux would be the next step on my netbook.
[02:53] <MrChris> I never suggested not running it as root...
[02:54] <MrChris> Good luck Demon_Jester
[02:55] <Demon_Jester> yeah some guy said on 4chan (inb4 I get crapped on for that) he was just scrolling through arch wiki while doing the installation.
[02:55] <Demon_Jester> I dont think it would be that easy but I hear wiki is very resourceful.
[02:56] <daftykins> everyone's calm, we just call out bad advice is all
[02:57] <daftykins> heh, in fairness i think it'll be a challenge for you but it could be a good learning process. just don't come in here with arch problems ;)
[02:57] <Demon_Jester> bad advice I get it.
[03:00] <tnkhanh> Hi I want to see the battery level on kubuntu
[03:00] <tnkhanh> of my laptop
[03:01] <Demon_Jester> kubuntu should have a batter level in the upper right
[03:01] <Demon_Jester> battery8
[03:03] <tnkhanh> omg I got it
[03:03] <tnkhanh> I didn't know there is a "hidden icon" button
[03:04] <frustro> hi all, trying to install 14.04 on a laptop.  the screen is busted and disconnected, have an external vga monitor.  it's native is 1360x768. when I select to install, the desktop is too big.  I can alt-tab and see the installer but it's not onscreen.  need to boot it into 600x800 to initial install. boot option maybe?
[03:05] <reisio> frustro: see what 'xrandr' says
[03:06] <frustro> reisio:  ok, brb, it's this machine.
[03:08] <tnkhanh> frustro: Is that virtualbox?
[03:08] <teward> tnkhanh: little late :)
[03:08] <daftykins> XD
[03:08] <daftykins> tnkhanh: virtualbox has REALLY improved since i last ran it, if you can simulate broken screens now too
[03:10] <tnkhanh> daftykins: haha true!
[03:10] <daftykins> :)
[03:21] <epyx> I have this weird problem that the volume control stops working (Mate)
[03:21] <epyx> it works adjusting volume with the keys on my keyboard, but not with the one in the Mate panel
[03:22] <epyx> stops working sometimes, sometimes it works.. but when it stopped working it doesn't start again
[04:00] <walia6> hi
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> morning
[04:00] <walia6> can someone help me with my error while installing ubuntu to my flash drive
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> walia6: from windows?
[04:01] <walia6> yes
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> walia6: wich program are you trying?
[04:01] <walia6> ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop.iso
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> walia6: i mean to create your usb stick, windows program?
[04:02] <walia6> ?
[04:02] <daftykins> www.pendrivelinux.com -> Universal USB Installer (recommended)
[04:02] <walia6> oh
[04:02] <daftykins> use this to make up your flash drive
[04:02] <walia6> i didnt use any usb installer
[04:02] <walia6> i just pluggin in a fresh sandisk flash drive
[04:02] <walia6> and during install, i selected the flash drive
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> walia6: see the link from daftykins to create your stick
[04:03] <daftykins> oh dear, you ran WUBI didn't you?
[04:03] <walia6> whats WYBI
[04:03] <daftykins> the windows ubuntu installer
[04:03] <walia6> sure
[04:04] <daftykins> installater inside windows? yeah that guy, it's terrible
[04:04] <daftykins> as in really really bad
[04:04] <cfhowlett> walia6, nope.  not gonna work.  and never EVER wubi again ...
[04:05] <daftykins> walia6: are you wanting to make the flash drive into an installer that you can install on your computer, or are you trying to run it from the flash drive permanently?
[04:05] <Senix> YWH_1, you need something?
[04:05] <walia6> latter
[04:05] <daftykins> i wouldn't recommend that
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> Senix: i also get a CTCP version on join
[04:06] <walia6> im running the program now
[04:06] <Senix> Thats suspicious.
[04:06] <cfhowlett> Senix, I did as well
[04:06] <daftykins> time to kick that guy
[04:06] <walia6> what should i put for persistant file size
[04:06] <walia6> (ths usb is about 7 gbs)
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> Senix: let me report this
[04:06] <Senix> go ahead
[04:06] <cfhowlett> walia6, split it.
[04:07] <Senix> lotuspsychje, go ahead.
[04:07] <walia6> 3.5 gbs?
[04:07] <cfhowlett> walia6, I'm currently at the library.  since I don't read/write Chinese, I boot my Ubuntu stick on the library lenovo.
[04:07] <Gator> I bet YWH_1 is a bot, I got a CTCP version from it too.
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> Gator: it has just been reported by daftykins thanks
[04:08] <Senix> Gator, more then likely gathering client info for use in exploiting known vulnerabilities.
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> someone knows if ubuntu needs that turla fix?
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> the linux trojan they recently found?
[04:10] <Dragin> how can I tell what program is using which IRQ please?
[04:10] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: hrmm not heard of that one, you got a link?
[04:10] <evanc> hey guys, I have a crazy problem that seemingly appeared overnight. My keyboard has all kinds of crazy mappings now
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: sure holdon
[04:10] <evanc> like right-alt = z, though my 'z' key still works
[04:10] <cfhowlett> evanc, verify your country keyboard settings.
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/government-spying-turla-linux-trojan-found
[04:11] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: thanks :)
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> Dragin: maybe this can help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingIRQProblems
[04:12] <Dragin> thanks
[04:12] <evanc> cfhowlett: will do. In the meantime, here's an `evtest` where I ran it, pressed right-alt, then <ctrl-c>: http://pastebin.com/0q6zs7pu
[04:13] <cfhowlett> evanc, meh.  damn great firewall says I can't look at that today.  sorry.
[04:13] <evanc> cfhowlett: :(
[04:13] <evanc> is there a pastebin site that's unblocked?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hopefully only a danger when downloading from malicious ppa or something
[04:13] <cfhowlett> evanc, fpaste.org
[04:14] <evanc> cfhowlett: http://fpaste.org/160447/78963414/
[04:14] <evanc> cfhowlett: btw, language is correct, keyboard model is correct. Note that none of this was changed before it cropped up
[04:15] <evanc> in a terminal, pressing 'p' gives me '~p' (evtest shows both keys)
[04:15] <cfhowlett> evanc, curious.  bluetooth or USB?
[04:15] <evanc> cfhowlett: usb, though I did get a new bt mouse fairly recently
[04:15] <evanc> on my 14.04 laptop (same OS version), I do not get this behavior
[04:16] <cfhowlett> evanc, ... I wonder if the 2 KB could be conflicting somehow ...
[04:16] <evanc> 2 kb?
[04:16] <cfhowlett> evanc, two keyboards ...
[04:16] <evanc> oh, on the laptop
[04:17] <rypervenche> lotuspsychje: Yeah, it's a C program. You would have to run something from outside your trusted repos to get it on your system.
[04:17] <phunyguy> teward: typo in the name in -ops  ;)  thanks for the heads up.
[04:18] <evanc> cfhowlett: here's pressing 'p', btw: http://fpaste.org/160449/14187898/
[04:18] <evanc> the first two lines are me entering '12' to select the input device
[04:19] <evanc> oh I guess it's just the <return> keyup. :)
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> rypervenche: lemme check rkhunter database
[04:36] <agent_white> evenin'
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: hello mate
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> rypervenche: i dont see it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9546921/
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> rypervenche: linux highlights here: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/74695/linux-based-turla-trojan/74699#74699
[04:41] <Limaye> Hello!
[04:42] <photons> i need help installing Suse linux
[04:43] <daftykins> photons: very funny
[04:43] <ablest> hi
[04:43] <ablest> hi
[04:43] <photons> no i'm being serious
[04:43] <cfhowlett> photons, then go to Suse.  wrong channel
[04:43] <photons> WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO ALWAYS BE SUCH A HUGE FAGGOT?
[04:43]  * photons runs away crying
[04:43] <cfhowlett> !ops | photons,
[04:44] <photons> cfhowlett, you got beat up in school a lot didn't you?
[04:44]  * cfhowlett adds another useful idiot to /ignore
[04:45] <Flannel> photons: Please help keep this channel friendly, and on topic (which is Ubuntu-related technical support), thanks.
[04:54] <Sachiru> photons, what you essentially did was go to a Ford dealership and demand service for your Hyundai vehicle.
[04:54] <Sachiru> Guess what's wrong with that.
[04:54] <photons> um, your a faget?
[04:54] <photons> :3
[04:55] <Sachiru> Right, can we ask for a ban on that moron?
[04:56] <cfhowlett> !ops | photons immediate and multiple ban requests
[04:56] <cfhowlett> message sent.  meanwhile, let's not feed it.  feel free to add to /ignore list.  hexchat makes it easy.
[04:57] <rww> yes, let's not feed the person who's not in the channel
[04:57] <Sachiru> How I wish other channels had !ops as well
[05:01] <ablest> is java good for linux?
[05:01] <cfhowlett> !java | ablest
[05:02] <cfhowlett> ablest, "good for linux" ?  don't even know what that means ...
[05:02] <ablest> nvm lol
[05:03] <ablest> should i learn it being a linux now?
[05:03] <ablest> user*
[05:03] <cfhowlett> ablest, you don't need to learn java to use linux ...
[05:04] <ablest> imlooking to learn to computer programming
[05:05] <cfhowlett> ablest, suggest you start with python edition #1   http://fullcirclemagazine.org/tag/special/
[05:06] <cfhowlett> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/python-special-edition-1/
[05:07] <OerHeks> FCM is good
[05:07] <cfhowlett> # # # great
[05:08] <ablest> python and c?
[05:08] <ablest> ty cf ill look
[05:11] <grisisiknis> yo
[05:11] <ablest> which issue no# ? cf
[05:12] <ablest> yo
[05:12] <cfhowlett> ablest, start with #1 ... I believe they're now up to issue 8
[05:12] <cfhowlett> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/python-special-edition-1/
[05:12] <grisisiknis> cool it works, just setting up my IRC client :)
[05:12] <ablest> ok
[05:14] <ararob> Is it possible to have cdemu mount an iso on startup everytime with the same device name?
[05:15] <ararob> Cuz right now the mount disappears on restart
[05:15] <ablest> ty cfhowlet  bye
[05:15] <cfhowlett> ablest, happy2help
[05:20] <ararob> Maybe i need cdemutray, it mentions an automount option
[05:24] <dts|pokeball> why does cdemutray sound familiar?
[05:24] <tissuesamples> I'm running prosody 0.9.4-1~ubuntu14.04.1 on Ubuntu server 14.04 - however, it doesn't appear to be writing anything: not the PID file or logs in /var/log/prosody. "There is no 'pidfile' option in the configuration file, see http://prosody.im/doc/prosodyctl#pidfile for help"
[05:25] <tissuesamples> there are many different log files but they contain nothing - /var/run/prosody is set to prosody:adm 664 but it just won't write the pidfile and thus I cannot use prosodyctl
[05:27] <rishikaushal> unable to login in single user mode
[05:29] <rishikaushal> Paul:hi
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> tissuesamples: To perform daemon control commands prosodyctl needs a pidfile value specified in /etc/prosody/prosody.cfg.lua. Failure to do so will cause prosodyctl to complain.
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> tissuesamples: man prosodyctl
[05:30] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, I have the default pidfile value set: pidfile = "/var/run/prosody/prosody.pid";
[05:31] <rishikaushal> unable to chat
[05:32] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, I've enabled modules with success in /etc/prosody/prosody.cfg.lua, so I assume I've got the right config file - my concern is that it's just not writing anything, no logs or the pidfile
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> tissuesamples: maybe this can help: https://www.linode.com/docs/applications/messaging/installing-prosody-xmpp-server-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin
[05:33] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, I'll try upgrading via their repository
[05:37] <sebastian> browser says adobe flash is outdated and needs to be updated, what is the command line statement for this?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> sebastian: start your update icon
[05:38] <sebastian> lotuspsychje, how can I do this from the command line though?
[05:38] <sebastian> from the terminal
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> sebastian: sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:38] <sebastian> thank you! :D!
[05:38] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, it appears that using their packages has made it work correctly - I suspect a bug in Debian's packaging.
[05:39] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, thanks for your help
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> tissuesamples: np
[05:39] <ablest> hi
[05:39] <ablest> cfhowlett
[05:40] <ablest> the fullcirlcemagazine is asking to chmod a folder i dont know how after i created hello.py
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> ablest: join the #python guys
[05:41] <ablest> ok
[05:42] <ablest> i cant send there
[05:43] <ablest> ill try later ty
[05:48] <etzerd> hello all
[05:48] <etzerd> ?
[05:49] <etzerd> how can I download just the Gnome Desktop version from Ubuntu?
[05:49] <etzerd> because I don't like the Unity desktop that much.
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> !gnome | etzerd
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> etzerd: you can also auto-hide unity left bar and install docky at bottom to have gnome feeling
[05:59] <RahulAN> hii all
[06:01] <RahulAN> i want to put linux over my netbook, ubuntu is much bigger.. any suggestion
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: what do you mean bigger
[06:02] <RahulAN> it hangs my netbook
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: wich ubuntu version did you try?
[06:02] <RahulAN> 12.04
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: try 14.04
[06:02] <RahulAN> i want some flavour that is lighter
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: what kind of netbook is this?
[06:02] <RahulAN> it have 1 gb RAM and Atom processor
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: you can try lubuntu or xubuntu 14.04
[06:03] <RahulAN> i tried lubuntu previously..
[06:03] <RahulAN> it was fine
[06:03] <RahulAN> what about xubuntu??
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: all depends on your choice, i have netbook with ssd and ubuntu 14.04 64bit, runs like rocket
[06:04] <fego> xubuntu is a bit heavy RahulAN compared to lubuntu. but you can try your luck,  i had xubuntu running on somewhat old systems.
[06:05] <RahulAN> i will try lubuntu
[06:05] <fego> what netbook lotuspsychje?
[06:05] <RahulAN> I am using bodhi now on that pc but skype is giving problem there
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> fego: acer aspire ONE with samsung evo 840
[06:06] <fego> nice
[06:07] <RahulAN> here it is showing 14.14
[06:07] <RahulAN> *14.10
[06:07] <fego> :o
[06:07] <RahulAN> is that ok??
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: depends what you want, 14.10 is only 9 months support
[06:08] <fego> yes, it is the latest ubuntu version.
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: if you want long time support, choose an LTS version
[06:08] <RahulAN> then 14.04 is best?? or 12.04
[06:09] <pixxel> Anyone know why when i connect to a WIFI the mac address i spoofed always get changed back to the HW mac?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: i would reccomend 14.04 LTS
[06:09] <Stanley00> RahulAN: 14.04 is better than 12.04 IMO
[06:09] <RahulAN> ok
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> pixxel: maybe try macchanger ?
[06:09] <pixxel> i have
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> pixxel: do you have static ip or dynamic?
[06:10] <pixxel> dynamic
[06:10] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/   in this first one is ok ..
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: check your architecture of your pc, to know if you need 32bit or 64bit
[06:11] <RahulAN> 32 bit
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: ok then page is good, choose the PC version
[06:12] <pixxel> I'm stumped, did the usual stuff with downing the interface, changing the mac address, bringing the interface up again, but when the wifi reconnects i always get the same old HW mac address.
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> pixxel: maybe the ##networking guys might be able to solve this?
[06:13] <pixxel> Ok :) thanks lotuspsychje
[06:14] <frustro> got a dell laptop, busted screen.  unplugged it from mobo.  get 8 beeps, how do I disable this damn alarm?  in win it's disable system speaker/beep
[06:14] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje, i chose 1st link to download
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> frustro: check the ##hardware channel
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: yes the first iso, the PC version
[06:14] <RahulAN> yes
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: download and create your usb stick
[06:15] <RahulAN> yes
[06:15] <RahulAN> simple dd commandwilll work here?
[06:15] <frustro> lotuspsychje: nice try, I'm able to disable it via hardware in win,
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: from wich Os will you create your stick?
[06:16] <RahulAN> I am currently on Ubuntu.
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: then use the disk creator icon
[06:16] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje, Ohkkk
[06:16] <frustro> RahulAN: or use dd
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: its an icon with a HD and ubuntu logo
[06:17] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje, ok.
[06:17] <RahulAN> when i try to dump raspbian image on raspberry pi .. i use dd if=image of=/dev/sdb*  bs=4M
[06:18] <RahulAN> will this same work to this image also??
[06:19] <Stanley00> RahulAN: you can do the same (with some changes), but using usb disk creator is safer and recommended.
[06:20] <RahulAN> ohkkk Stanley00
[06:21] <frustro> RahulAN: when using dd you have to unmount the disk first.  so if your usb is sdb1, the u mount /dev/sdb. then dd if=path of=path minus the number.  for me, I plug in a usb it's sdb1. I then umount /dev/sdb...after that dd-if /image.iso of=/dev/sdb
[06:22] <RahulAN> frustro, no any other option
[06:23] <frustro> RahulAN: I just jumped in, not aware of your situation
[06:24] <RahulAN> frustro, Coool :_
[06:24] <RahulAN> :)
[06:25] <frustro> RahulAN: but to put an ISO onto a usb, is pretty simple. sudo dd if=source of=destination
[06:26] <frustro> or use unetbootin
[06:27] <frustro> anywho, how do I disable the system beep harware in ubuntu 14.04?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> frustro: maybe this can help? http://superuser.com/questions/15770/what-is-the-best-way-to-turn-off-the-ubuntu-beep-permanently
[06:36] <ZZRMike> My screen intermittently turns off for a moment, has anyone come across this problem?
[06:36] <LarsN> any Ubuntu Orange-Box owners here that might be able to point me at documentation on how to set it up using Juju & Maas?
[06:51] <Fais13AttentioN> Hi all
[06:54] <javnut> Ok, there's 3 ways I d/l packages: a) I manually install them from the software centre b) the packages are d/led as dependencies for those manually installed packages c) upgraded packages
[06:54] <javnut> how can I get a list of only packages which have been downloaded through method a?
[07:17] <dody_> how install uck bro
[07:18] <bazhang> !remaster
[07:19] <dody_> cant i have problem install bro
[07:21] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubunutu classroom dead
[07:22] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubuntu classroom dead?
[07:24] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubuntu classroom dead?
[07:24] <somsip> !ask | BuJitsuBrown
[07:28] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubuntu classroom dead?
[07:28] <dan123> hello
[07:29] <BuJitsuBrown> hello ?
[07:30] <dody_> why they cant help me me
[07:31] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubuntu classroom dead?
[07:31] <ObrienDave> ummm, what ubuntu classroom?
[07:32] <BuJitsuBrown> here is the url https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom i think it was ,is, suposed to help pepole learn about ubuntu and stuff
[07:34] <ObrienDave> new one on me
[07:34] <dan123> lol
[07:34] <BuJitsuBrown> everything is new to me
[07:34] <BuJitsuBrown> owell thanx tho
[07:37] <epyx> what is Ubuntu for cell phones / tablets take on privacy?
[07:41] <bazhang> !touch | epyx try there
[07:43] <epyx> thanks bazhang
[07:44] <bazhang> welcome
[07:53] <ubuntu363> Hi, I've tried install ubuntu 14 on an old pc from a live usb, it worked a few times, but I hadn't yet installed it and now it doesn't work
[07:54] <ubuntu363> I have an old live cd of older ubuntu which is working
[07:54] <ubuntu363> how can I install ubuntu 14 from the old cd?
[07:55] <sonny_> Hello, guys! What development tools C+ do you use ?
[07:57] <bazhang> ubuntu363, need a dvd or usb, unless its the mini; too big for a cd now
[07:57] <bazhang> sonny_, found in build-essential
[08:00] <arquebus> sonny: clang
[08:00] <bazhang> arquebus, for ubuntu? are you kidding?
[08:02] <arquebus> bazhang: why not? its not like he is deving for ubuntu
[08:04] <BuJitsuBrown> is the ubuntu classroom , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom, dead any one heard of it?
[08:05] <ObrienDave> you can ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[08:08] <BuJitsuBrown> ok thanks
[08:13] <BuJitsuBrown> i have read some where that this channel if one of the largest on the freenode. if that is so with 1707 pepole i would think id b seeing more questions poping up but all i see is ...has time left or ,,, has joined or Ping timed out what does all this mean?
[08:14] <bazhang> you can hide that BuJitsuBrown
[08:14] <bazhang> what irc client
[08:16] <BuJitsuBrown> what do you mean "hide that" is this not the place to ask and answer questions i am confused?
[08:17] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, you can set your irc client to ignore joins/leaves
[08:17] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, hide the joins,parts etc in the channel
[08:18] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, so you see Only chat
[08:18] <BuJitsuBrown> ok ... is it ever usefull to see that information?
[08:18] <bazhang> if you are OCD
[08:18] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, up to you.
[08:18] <BuJitsuBrown> haha ok
[08:21] <ObrienDave> if I didn't hide join/part messages, i would miss cfhowlett's pithy remarks ;P
[08:22] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, and I might miss your retors
[08:22] <cfhowlett> *retorts*
[08:22] <ObrienDave> ;)
[08:27] <BuJitsuBrown> im still trying to figure out how to hide the time in /outs would some one please direct me?
[08:29] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, THIS time, ANSWER a simple question; what is your IRC client?
[08:30] <BuJitsuBrown> ok i think this is it Xchat 2.8.8
[08:31] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, right click on the channel tab > setting > hide join/part messages
[08:31] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, get hexchat, then click channel settings
[08:32] <LonelyDanbo> any chance anyone knows any guides for setting up apparmor for something like a WINE app? {I'm asking in #winehq but it's late at night so I thought I'd try here}
[08:32] <BuJitsuBrown> ok  i found it for xchat what is hexchat ?
[08:33] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, an actually maintained version of xchat
[08:33] <hateball> LonelyDanbo: what are you looking to achieve?
[08:33] <BuJitsuBrown> ok will do that thank you
[08:33] <LonelyDanbo> just to restrict file access to the virtual drive, or to stop internet access. I'd like to know how to do both.
[08:33] <hateball> LonelyDanbo: if it's just isolating from your user files you could create a dedicated wine user and run your wineprefixes through that
[08:34] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install hexchat BuJitsuBrown
[08:34] <alami> hello, is i686 a 32bits or 64bits?
[08:34] <cfhowlett> !info hexchat | BuJitsuBrown
[08:34] <bazhang> 32
[08:34] <sheap> sooooooooo if I accidentally deleted my osx partition...and I'm trying to install xubuntu 14.04, is it still possible to install and use xubuntu?
[08:34] <sheap> I'm typing to you via the xubuntu live cd
[08:35] <alami> bazhang: Sure?
[08:35] <cfhowlett> sheap, yes
[08:35] <LonelyDanbo> I don't know how to do other users conveniently. wouldn't I have to switch users? oh well. I guess it's rare that that would cause a problem, like in the middle of streaming video it often forgets what it's loaded.
[08:35] <cfhowlett> !mac | sheap
[08:35] <bazhang> alami, yes...
[08:35] <alami> bazhang: okay thanks :-)
[08:36] <sheap> cfhowlett: they say to partition and use refit on the osx partition :(
[08:36] <sheap> which is gone now
[08:36] <Manj-811-Xfce> good morninig
[08:36] <hateball> LonelyDanbo: There's a GUI to create users/groups. As for switching, I'd create a script that does "su wineuser wine /whatver/thing.exe"
[08:37] <LonelyDanbo> http://wiki.winehq.org/SecuringWine says "I know of no way to prevent win32 malware from issuing linux system calls directly." Wow, really???
[08:37] <cfhowlett> sheap, you only need refit if you are dual booting as I understand it
[08:37] <Manj-811-Xfce> can i install 14.0.1 in the dutch language
[08:37] <cfhowlett> Manj-811-Xfce, yes
[08:37] <Manj-811-Xfce> last time there was no language pack(i have that problem)
[08:37] <bazhang> 14.10?
[08:38] <Manj-811-Xfce> why 14.10???
[08:38] <LonelyDanbo> also how does creating a user/group help compared to apparmor?
[08:38] <bazhang> there is no 14.01
[08:38] <Manj-811-Xfce> sorry 14.04.1
[08:38] <Manj-811-Xfce> im just awake
[08:38] <Manj-811-Xfce> hhahahahaha
[08:39] <cfhowlett> !nl | Manj-811-Xfce
[08:39] <Manj-811-Xfce> ubottu i no but they are sleeping or working
[08:40] <LonelyDanbo> the only thing I see the user being able to limit might be internet access. I still have to use apparmor to limit file access.
[08:41] <tnkhanh> ubottu: hi
[08:42] <hateball> !who | LonelyDanbo
[08:42] <hateball> LonelyDanbo: A new user will only have access to their own $home
[08:42] <LonelyDanbo> god damn I'm getting too old.... uhg. but it's still too soon for suicide to be an option. UHG! I hate humans.
[08:42] <hateball> LonelyDanbo: So at most it would wipe the wineprefix and whatever else that user might have
[08:42] <LonelyDanbo> oh, I see.
[08:43] <Pepps_mobile> Anyone else have issues with elantech touchpad not working on a laptop? I can get it working on 14.04 or 14.10
[08:43] <tnkhanh> ubottu: ubuntu
[08:43] <bazhang> tnkhanh, /msg the bot
[08:44] <tnkhanh> bazhang: cool
[08:47] <LonelyDanbo> how do I get files to a new user account? I hope I don't have to reinstall stuff.
[08:48] <bazhang> LonelyDanbo, back up and restore them?
[08:49] <LonelyDanbo> ... backup how?
[08:49] <BuJitsuBrown> i just finished dloading the hexchat but i cant find ubuntu in the Hexchat: Network List could someone help me please?
[08:49] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, join the freenode server
[08:50] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, the default for that should list freenode, or possibly ubuntu
[08:50] <BuJitsuBrown> ok will do
[08:50] <LonelyDanbo> bazhang, I only know how to manually backup and I don't ....
[08:54] <LonelyDanbo> I wonder if age is making me stupid {no} oh ok... then I wonder how much of it's my lifestyle and how much of it is my environment. or maybe I've always been a piece of crap. {stupid words with "ie" in them. language is stupid.}
[08:54] <zhengzm> hello
[08:56] <bazhang> LonelyDanbo, this is not the place for such, thanks
[08:57] <BuJitsuBrown> YEA i got hexchat thank you guys
[08:57] <bazhang> welcome
[08:59] <mohsen-rashidi> how do i check the status of demons in ubuntu?
[08:59] <cfhowlett> mohsen-rashidi, no demons or other supernatural events noted.
[09:00] <mohsen-rashidi> cfhowlett: very funny.
[09:00] <bazhang> upstart mohsen-rashidi
[09:00] <mohsen-rashidi> bazhang: thank you but could you give me the complete command?
[09:01] <BuJitsuBrown> deamons are programs that run in the
[09:01] <bazhang> daemons yes
[09:01] <bazhang> !upstart
[09:02] <BuJitsuBrown> sorry in the "background" right?
[09:06] <BuJitsuBrown> idk if i can curse here but i want to i close my terminal and hexchat went with it would some one please tell me why?
[09:07] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, because you started hexchat from the terminal.  and no, no cursing
[09:09] <BuJitsuBrown> ok, lol ok to that to
[09:09] <Odd_Bloke> I'm seeing regular Chromium crashes in Utopic; this is the output from dmesg for a few of them: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9548556/
[09:10] <Odd_Bloke> Can anyone give me pointers as to how to produce something more useful for a bug report?
[09:13] <BuJitsuBrown> somone asked a ? about deamons i was woundering if they were the programs that run in the "background" ?
[09:14] <Nivalis> hello, i have problem. i want to change locale for current user. in archlinux i can create file ~/.config/locale.conf and write LANG variable, but in ubuntu it doesn't work
[09:16] <bazhang> !locale
[09:16] <bazhang> Nivalis, ^
[09:21] <ThePendulum> Hey. I'm trying to install teamviewer after removing an obsolete version, but dpkg simply responds "Errors were encountered while processing: teamviewer", which is a little shallow
[09:21] <ThePendulum> Any ideas how to proceed?
[09:23] <BuJitsuBrown> if deamons are programs running inthe back ground how do i know wich ones are essential to Not kill?
[09:29] <ararob> BuJitsuBrown:by finding out what they do?
[09:30] <BuJitsuBrown> ok how do i do that , do i just google them ,if that does work is there an eaier way , could i search for their funciton in terminal?
[09:33] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: daemons are programs that round in the background and provide a certain type of service. Normally, for the system to function, you want all the daemons provided by ubuntu.
[09:34] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: if you feel like breaking you system though, the daemons started at system boot are listed in /etc/init/* and /etc/rc{2,3,4,5}.d/*. Other applications (like backgroudn GUI software) may be started by your window manager. Refer to your WM documentation to find out where the list is.
[09:35] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: normally, if you less/cat/more the files, they contain a short description. If not, you can always google for the term "ubuntu insert_daemon_name_here" to find out more. or read the daemon man pages.
[09:35] <BuJitsuBrown> "that round in the background " what dose this mean , and is it possible that not all deamons are good for me like somkind of spywhere?
[09:35] <iptable> ThePendulum: no, if you look some lines above that error, it states which package and what errors
[09:35] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: it means I misspelled it. RUN in the background...
[09:36] <BuJitsuBrown> oh sorry i do that all the time i understand
[09:36] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: no spyware daemons are installed on your system by default, nor form ubuntu's main repos.
[09:36] <iptable> 'does' not 'dose' :P
[09:38] <BuJitsuBrown> ok :)
[09:38] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: what are you actually trying to achieve? Is this a generic question, or have you grounds to believe you have been compromised as your system was not up to date and you are running server services and/or GUI software as root?
[09:39] <BuJitsuBrown> im not shure truth is i often push the bounderies and i i dont even know what im pushing
[09:42] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: install a fresh system, ps -ef it, ps -ef your system, compare. Check what the services do that are in your install that are not present in the fresh one. You will know then.
[09:43] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: although, if you were compromised, your ps and other binaries probably got patched, so you would need to boot form liveCD and md5sum check if the binaries are correct first. There is a tool to check integrity, I can't remember the name though.
[09:44] <BuJitsuBrown> wow i so wish i knew half of what you just said i just have to copy/paste and reseach it at my speed later lol :)
[09:45] <bazhang> !manual | BuJitsuBrown
[09:45] <ararob> iptable:md5 hashes are easy to fake these days too :)
[09:45] <bazhang> !rute | BuJitsuBrown and this
[09:46] <bazhang> ararob, on the official ubuntu md5 hash site?
[09:47] <iptable> ararob: doing those checks from liveCD is sufficient confirmation that binaries have not been altered
[09:49] <BuJitsuBrown> ok thank you for the homework :) ima chek it out
[09:50] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, the first is  free pdf download
[09:50] <BuJitsuBrown> ok
[09:57] <Odd_Bloke> bazhang: The attacker could craft a 'ps' binary that had the same MD5SUM as the normal one; MD5 is a broken hashing algorithm.
[09:57] <Odd_Bloke> Just s/md5/sha256/g. :p
[10:01] <ararob> Odd_Bloke: yeah, it's about time everybody changed to SHA-2. If NSA says so, you better believe it *ahem*
[10:02] <iptable> can we not add NSA to the conversation?
[10:02] <ararob> sure.
[10:05] <Lucax> I Don't know if this is the right channel but for this topic but is there a solution to the issue of flash not supporting linux
[10:05] <samgoody> I have a fqdn, say me.example.com It is my understanding that hostname = me and hostname -f = me.example.com
[10:06] <hateball> Lucax: If you run chrome/chromium you can use pepperflash. But the best option is to abandon flash
[10:06] <Lucax> I use firefox
[10:07] <samgoody> Is that correct? If so, how do I set it - when I set hostname = me.example.com it sets both the hostname and the fqdn to the fqdn
[10:07] <Kyoshiro`> hi
[10:08] <Lucax> how to run flash with firefox and linux? and if I abandon flash, what is the alternative?
[10:08] <Lucax> any quick alternative?
[10:08] <ararob> html5 video I guess, and hope the site in question doesn't run flash.
[10:08] <Kyoshiro`> html5 :)
[10:09] <Kyoshiro`> or install flashplugin-installer
[10:09] <samgoody> Also, cat /etc/hosts does not match the output of hostname
[10:09] <indistylo> Battery indicator is not showing up in gnome applet,  How can i resolve it
[10:10] <Kyoshiro`> I'm using ubuntu with virtualbox, I'd like to be able to paste my password at the login screen but it doesn't seem to allow it (copy paste works after login only), how can I enable the copy/paste of password on the login screen ?
[10:10] <nwe> hello, how can I disable so my interfaces doesnt rename from ethX to emX and rename4..
[10:10] <White_Cat> Is there a mail server that I can use with ubuntu-server. I was looking at postfix but that requires creation of ubuntu accounts per each email account. I'd rather keep the two seperate as users will never ever login to the ubuntu server and they tend to use less than ideally strong passwords.
[10:10] <samgoody> Anyone around that knows anything about dns, or should I be asking on the server channel?
[10:11] <Kyoshiro`> you don't need system accounts for postfix you can use some other auth backend
[10:11] <White_Cat> I can?
[10:11] <indistylo> Battery indicator is not showing up in gnome applet,  How can i resolve it
[10:11] <Kyoshiro`> yes, I think you can with postfix-mysql or postfix-ldap
[10:12] <White_Cat> Okay let me google the latter
[10:12] <Kyoshiro`> ^^
[10:12] <White_Cat> I'd rather not involve mysql
[10:12] <indistylo> I am using ubuntu 12.04, since long time Battery indicator is not showing up in gnome applet,  How can i resolve it
[10:12] <Kyoshiro`> White_Cat, maybe look at http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html too
[10:13] <Kyoshiro`> and dovecot + ldap for auth and IMAP features
[10:13] <samgoody> OK, can someone tell me the channel name for ubuntu server?
[10:14] <samgoody> (There is a seperate server channel, right?)
[10:14] <hateball> !server
[10:14] <samgoody> tanku
[10:15] <Kyoshiro`> so, does anyone know how I can enable the copy/paste of password on the login screen ?
[10:29] <Thunder2> i have a shutdownproblem with the latest lubuntu
[10:29] <Thunder2> there is a freeze at the logo
[10:32] <epyx> Thunder2, I got that on the latest Ubuntu
[10:32] <epyx> on 14.04 right now without issues though
[10:32] <superherointj> Another day I came here and someone helped me fix my Ubuntu video driver issues.
[10:33] <Thunder2> last week it worked... now it freezes again
[10:33] <Thunder2> i just installed latest updates
[10:53] <reetika>  /msg NickServ identify
[10:54] <ObrienDave> remove leading space LOL
[10:55] <Kyoshiro`> does anyone know how I can enable the copy/paste of password on the login screen (lightDM) ?
[10:59] <clarient_> !GUI
[11:01] <helloimthatguype> Hey all, im having a problem with plymouth, my splash displays and ive tried all resolutions but the black border keeps on displaying, making use of a added gpu as opposed to my onboard graphics just to add as a sidenote, anyone know how I can resolve this? or even at all possible?
[11:03] <clarient_> !KDE
[11:05] <ehnet> i prefer openbox
[11:05] <ehnet> less cluster
[11:05] <qknight_> hi. if someone here as ubuntu 14.04 + nvidia (not nouveau), then please paste me: uname -a; dpkg -l | grep nvidia; ; because i don't know which kernel to pick for the nvidia module
[11:08] <k1l> qknight_: which kernel to pick?
[11:12] <qknight_> k1l: i don't know which kernel i should use.
[11:13] <qknight_> k1l: uname -a should print out the used kernel
[11:13] <k1l> qknight_: what are you doing there at all?
[11:13] <qknight_> k1l: please, if you can, just answer my question
[11:14] <k1l> ubuntu 14.04 just got 1 actual kernel, the latest
[11:14] <Ben64> theres no reason you should ever need to pick a kernel for nvidia
[11:14] <indistylo> I am using ubuntu 12.04, since long time Battery indicator is not showing up in gnome applet,  How can i resolve it
[11:14] <qknight_> that is? 3.16, right?
[11:14] <Ben64> qknight_: what are you doing picking, you should already have a kernel, explain yourself
[11:14] <k1l> qknight_: your questions dont make sense at all. so what are you trying to do?
[11:15] <k1l> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[11:15] <mjayk> k1l: it has many kernels, it defo doesnt have "the latest"
[11:15] <k1l> mjayk: linux-image-generic always links to the latest build in that branch.
[11:16] <mjayk> k1l: its the latest for that specific branch its no way near the latest; reading his question one can only presume he wants to update the kernel and make sure that the one he chooses works with nvidia drivers; as quite a few dont
[11:17] <k1l> mjayk: yes yes yes. not the latest as in 3.19 or such. but you dont have to choose. there is only one actual latest kernel package for that release. ist just his questions dont make sense at all
[11:17] <Ben64> mjayk: not good to presume, which is why we want more explanation from qknight_
[11:18] <mjayk> Ben64: one always has to presume, k1l you have to choose if you want to change. He obviously has a kernel and wants to pick another one.
[11:19] <Ben64> not obvious at all. presuming can lead to incorrect answers being given
[11:19] <qknight_> what i want to do is simple:  get nvidia graphis working as it was before 'apt-get upgrade'. i tried various different nvidia-331 (for example) packages and doing 'modprobe nvidia' shows drm erros like this: https://gist.github.com/qknight/edfefee811acb0e35063
[11:19] <k1l> i am out of this quess show
[11:19] <qknight_> Ben64, k1l: maybe you can help me?
[11:24] <ablest> hi
[11:28] <k1l> qknight_: so its a dual vga setup? what is the whole dmesg output? what are the errors? what is the result you see? you see the login screen?
[11:28] <k1l> qknight_: what is the bios setting set to?
[11:32] <saa> i installed ubuntu on hp windows 8 laptop
[11:32] <qknight_> k1l: lspci shows only one VGA adapter and i don't have any external display (it is a laptop). i see a login screen and after login it just does not start anything and stays with a ubuntu background and a mouse cursor. i don't know about bios settings
[11:32] <qknight_> k1l: but it used to work before
[11:32] <saa> but my bios is not showing ubuntu entry
[11:32] <qknight_> Guest10140: that is not the bios it is grub!
[11:32] <Guest10140> when i boot system it directly goes to windows 8 can someone pl help me to get boot option for windows 8 as well as ubuntu
[11:33] <qknight_> Guest10140: do you have one or two harddrives?
[11:33] <Guest10140> no its only one sda partition
[11:36] <Guest10140> how to sort out my grub
[11:37] <k1l> Guest10140: did you install ubuntu in a own partition? or into windows with wubi?
[11:37] <Guest10140> own partition
[11:37] <Guest10140> sda8 with ext4
[11:37] <Guest10140> my sda is divided into sda1 to sda8
[11:38] <k1l> what gives you "sudo fdisk -l" (small L at the end) in a pastebin?
[11:38] <perlmonkey> Hi all
[11:38] <reetika> gimp 2.8 in ubuntu 14.04 cant save images in png and jpg format?
[11:39] <jatt> reetika: it can you need to export them
[11:39] <perlmonkey> you need to export them
[11:39] <Guest10140> hw to use pastebin
[11:39] <reetika> ok
[11:40] <reetika> if we open image using gimp and chnge image size and trying to save it
[11:40] <reetika> it is saving xcf format only
[11:40] <jatt> reetika: save it and then export it
[11:40] <Guest10140> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9549623/ here is pastebin
[11:41] <reetika> save it in which format?
[11:41] <perlmonkey> reekita: yes it does now by default, to save to png or jpg use File -> Export option
[11:41] <jatt> reetika: xcf
[11:41] <perlmonkey> any format
[11:41] <reetika> ok
[11:41] <perlmonkey> if you type file.png Gimp knows to save it in that format and gives file the extension .png but your master file .xcf remains on screen
[11:42] <perlmonkey> it's a better improved feature
[11:42] <reetika> thnks it is working
[11:42] <perlmonkey> but you must use 'export' save as no longer works for formats other than .xcf
[11:42] <perlmonkey> great :)
[11:43] <reetika> is dere any other way
[11:43] <perlmonkey> I don't think so
[11:43] <reetika> to get all format?
[11:43] <reetika> ok
[11:43] <nbougach> Hi
[11:43] <nbougach> Hi, How can I use chmod to get a -rw-r--r-- with ls?
[11:43] <Guest10140> pl. see pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/9549623/
[11:44] <nbougach> c http://paste.ubuntu.com/9549623/
[11:44] <perlmonkey> chmod 644
[11:44] <nbougach> thank you
[11:45] <Guest10140> need help on getting ubuntu boot option while system boots i installed ubuntu on windows 8 with HP laptop but my laptop automatically goes to windows 8 boot i dont see ubuntu at all
[11:46] <perlmonkey> I have an unusual problem concerning nvidia I think.. I had a working desktop (gnome) with xorg, with the basic nvidia settings manager app (no updated drivers), I updated the drivers, and now xorg won't load, I just get a low res black screen, big X... any ideas how to restore it back? I removed all the nvidia drivers, no effect tho
[11:46] <k1l> Guest10140: use gdisk instead of fdisk since you have a gpt partition table
[11:46] <Guest10140> i have booted now with ubutun when laptop restarted and i could select f9 key and then selected hard drive boot option and booted ubuntu from there
[11:47] <Guest10140>  sudo gdisk -l GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.8  Problem opening -l for reading! Error is 2. The specified file does not exist!
[11:47] <perlmonkey> Guest10410 did that solve your problem? I was going to suggest installing a bootloader like grub on the Windows partition
[11:49] <perlmonkey> Ubuntu normally does install a bootload on a system with Windows as primary boot partition and detects the Windows partition and gives you a list of boot options eh
[11:49] <Guest10140> sudo gdisk -l GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.8  Problem opening -l for reading! Error is 2. The specified file does not exist!
[11:51] <perlmonkey> Guest10140: run gdisk without any options then type device ie /dev/sda
[11:51] <Guest10140> ok one sec
[11:51] <perlmonkey> then you can use commands, like 'p' = print all partitions on display on screen
[11:51] <Guest10140> Type device filename, or press <Enter> to exit: /dev/sda Partition table scan:   MBR: protective   BSD: not present   APM: not present   GPT: present  Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
[11:52] <Guest10140> i got above
[11:52] <perlmonkey> interesting, what kind of drive do you?
[11:52] <perlmonkey> sda = usually SATA 1st drive
[11:52] <Guest10140> hw to find that
[11:53] <Guest10140> can i use gparted
[11:54] <perlmonkey> there is a gui tool in gnome and probably other desktops for showing discs and partitions.. one sec
[11:54] <Guest10140> is it gparted
[11:55] <perlmonkey> Guest10140: no, click on your apps search box at top, and type 'disks' and it will show a 'disks' app with grey disk icon
[11:55] <perlmonkey> that shows all the hdd's and other storage devices attached to sys (even unmounted) and lets you see visually each partition, filesystem file/status etc
[11:56] <Guest10140> what do i cut paste here
[11:56] <perlmonkey> you can even do changes from there to partitions, delete/set bootable, resize etc
[11:56] <Guest10140> i could go to disks
[11:57] <perlmonkey> Guest10140 that's the best tool to use, it will use the underlying tools, rather than mess in a shell, but you can mount a device or use gdisk easier if you use gui disks app first to identify the disk type and dev name
[11:58] <Guest10140> i am in disks
[11:58] <Guest10140> can u tell me what i should do nw
[11:58] <perlmonkey> ok do you see your disks listed now on left hand pane
[11:58] <Guest10140> yes
[11:58] <Guest10140> 500 GB hard disk ST500LM012 HN-M500MBB (2AR10002)
[11:58] <perlmonkey> on the right had side for each disk, look for 'Device' and see what comes after /dev
[11:59] <perlmonkey> is there /sda$ for first drive in list?
[11:59] <Guest10140> sda1
[11:59] <Guest10140> Partition type
[12:00] <Guest10140> Microsoft Windows Recovery Environment (System
[12:00] <perlmonkey> good, that means you have a SATA drive, and a primary system partition
[12:00] <Guest10140> sda2 EFI system
[12:00] <Guest10140> sda7 BIOS boot
[12:01] <perlmonkey> Guest10140: select the little cogs icon below your drive display on right pane
[12:01] <perlmonkey> see the options now?
[12:02] <Guest10140> that round option
[12:02] <perlmonkey> Guest10140 yeah the two round circles
[12:02] <perlmonkey> after the -
[12:02] <Guest10140> yes there are several options there
[12:03] <in2140> ?
[12:03] <Guest10140> format create disk image etc
[12:03] <perlmonkey> yes, be careful making any changes though to mounted partition
[12:03] <Guest10140> now what
[12:03] <perlmonkey> what do you want to do?
[12:03] <Guest10140> i want my linux boot to be available when my laptop boots
[12:03] <Guest10140> with windows 8
[12:04] <perlmonkey> you need to install a bootloader is all, like grub or lilo
[12:04] <Guest10140> that is already there
[12:04] <Guest10140> installed
[12:04] <perlmonkey> it will place the bootloader in a section of your windows partition
[12:04] <Guest10140> but it is nt showing when my laptop boots
[12:04] <Guest10140> ok nw tell me hw to do it
[12:04] <perlmonkey> and automatically detect your Linux kernels
[12:05] <perlmonkey> you best Google that, it's a subject that is well covered with tutorials
[12:05] <Guest10140> i didnt find proper answer hence i am asking
[12:05] <Guest10140> or may be didnt understand
[12:05] <Guest10140> nw i am in linux partition
[12:05] <Guest10140> can i reinstall grub and see my machine boots with ubuntu and windows 8 boot option
[12:05] <perlmonkey> if you ask a specific question, we can answer, but you're asking how to do a general task well documented and which is involved
[12:06] <perlmonkey> the bootloader does not install on Linux partition it goes on Windows partition
[12:06] <Guest10140> i am sorry if i am nt asking correct question
[12:06] <Guest10140> will u be able to help me
[12:07] <perlmonkey> if you have an Ubuntu install CD you can use that and select the bootloader install option, this should have been done as part of the Ubuntu install on a system with Windows on already
[12:07] <Ben64> perlmonkey: uh, the bootloader doesn't go on a partition
[12:07] <perlmonkey> Ben64 where does it go then?
[12:07] <Ben64> beginning of the drive
[12:08] <Guest10140> in my case is it then sda1
[12:08] <perlmonkey> oh yeah, there's an area reserved isn't there?
[12:08] <perlmonkey> but it's not on sda1 partition is it?
[12:08] <Ben64> grub would normally be installed on sda
[12:08] <perlmonkey> right
[12:09] <Guest10140> i had created a partition sda8 for ext4
[12:09] <Guest10140> the installation was successful
[12:09] <Guest10140> but after reboot i didnt get proper grub
[12:09] <perlmonkey> Ben64: my advice was ok? he just needs to install grup/lilo and that's a task well covered and also the Ubuntu CD will do it for you, even post-install?
[12:09] <Ben64> well lilo isn't really used
[12:09] <Guest10140> i had to select f9 key and then select hard drive and then selected ubuntu
[12:09] <Ben64> f9? why
[12:09] <perlmonkey> I prefer grub and I think most use it
[12:10] <Guest10140> because i was nt able to get straight linux boot
[12:10] <Ben64> i don't really know what f9 does, but i know i've never had to press that to install ubuntu
[12:10] <perlmonkey> Guest10140 maybe you chose no to the install grub option by mistake
[12:10] <Guest10140> no i didnt do anything
[12:10] <Guest10140> installer automatically installed grub
[12:11] <Guest10140> which i saw while installation was running
[12:11] <perlmonkey> you can display scroll back on the list of install options and choose it if you boot off CD in rescue mode
[12:11] <perlmonkey> that's the easiest way if you don't want to install grub manually, but its not that difficult and well documented online
[12:12] <perlmonkey> I'm sure there's even tools to install grub available from Linux
[12:12] <perlmonkey> from gui i mean
[12:12] <Ben64> !fixgrub
[12:13] <Ben64> lots of information in those links
[12:13] <perlmonkey> don't be editing the bootloader files unless you know what you're doing, else you get a non-booting system
[12:13] <perlmonkey> thanks Ben64
[12:14] <perlmonkey> now, can anyone offer any suggestions how to restore my xorg? I think installing + removing nvidia drivers screwed it up, i got black screen low res/big white X, the sign of a broken xorg eh
[12:15] <perlmonkey> i should have backed up the config file, silly me
[12:15] <perlmonkey> it worked fine before i installed the nvidia drivers, curse nvidia
[12:15] <Ben64> how did you install nvidia
[12:16] <perlmonkey> Ben64: ok I did a normal install, and all it installed was the nvidia settings manager app, nothing showed as special drivers, so I think it used generic (non-proprietory) or standard version, i updated it, and that broke it
[12:17] <Ben64> what video card(s)
[12:17] <arcsky> if i want to send my syslog/messages to an syslogserver which file do i need to configure? do i need to install a syslogserver ?
[12:19] <perlmonkey> Ben64 I did see the card type but can't remember how now, any idea?
[12:19] <Ben64> lshw -C VIDEO
[12:20] <perlmonkey> thanks
[12:22] <perlmonkey> Ben64: C68 GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a
[12:23] <Ben64> perlmonkey: apparently you need the legacy 304.xx drivers for that card
[12:23] <perlmonkey> Ben64: on output it says *-display UNCLAIMED.. I guess because no port in use?
[12:23] <perlmonkey> Ben64 thanks I will try that
[12:23] <Ben64> it should be in the repositories
[12:23] <perlmonkey> many thanks Ben, this nvidia drives me mad
[12:24] <Ben64> !info nvidia-304 trusty
[12:24] <Ben64> if you're on 14.04 use that
[12:24] <perlmonkey> I generally leave well alone when working, i dunno why i updated driver!! a moments insanity
[12:24] <perlmonkey> yes I am, thanks
[12:27] <fossxplorer> I have a question regarding differences of Ubuntu vs CentOS. What exactly does Upstart offer of command as to administer services/daemons? Can one use 'service'?
[12:27] <YamakasY_> why is this partition scheme ignored ? it just creates swap and / on vg00 http://pastebin.com/7a3uyXZh
[12:27]  * perlmonkey had written off a number of SATA drives as dead, turns out they were ok, just needed the terminals on SATA connection cleaned/new SATA cable... be careful of that guys
[12:28] <perlmonkey> those drives showed errors, but after formatting are now fine
[12:28] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning all
[12:28] <xangua> no sun here yet :(
[12:28] <perlmonkey> morning BluesKaj
[12:29] <perlmonkey> xangua nor here, non expected today
[12:29]  * perlmonkey is tempted to leave grey and cold UK and go to sunny climate for a couple of weeks of rest
[12:30]  * perlmonkey tests nvidia problem to see if 304 fixed it
[12:30] <BluesKaj_> perlmonkey, Hi, I had sata drive die after just 4 yrs
[12:31] <perlmonkey> BluesKaj I generally don't like magnetic hdd anymore, I'm moving more to solid state tech and cloud, but I have written off drives in past they were fine
[12:32] <BluesKaj_> Most WDs last much longer than 4 yrs, I have a 9 yr old 160G drive still operating
[12:32] <perlmonkey> using a raid makes sense or rsync I think and two drives, if you want good backup or redundancy
[12:33]  * perlmonkey is now testing a Raspberry PI with SD+USD stick 32GB and cloud/NFS
[12:33] <perlmonkey> I find Seagate HDD's more reliable, Maxtor one of the worse makes for me, I had to replace several
[12:34] <perlmonkey> with magnetic HDD's just bad shutdowns, or disturbing a cable can ruin a filesystem
[12:34] <perlmonkey> I lost several drives in storms to backouts and power surges
[12:35] <perlmonkey> worth investing in UPS and/or power surge protection
[12:35] <Mrokii> Hello. How can I check how much RAM is recognised in my computer (via Bash or otherwise)?
[12:35] <perlmonkey> Mrokii 'free'
[12:36] <BluesKaj_> Mrokii, free in the term
[12:36] <perlmonkey> yeah
[12:36] <perlmonkey> free -h if you want it in GB's
[12:37] <perlmonkey> -h = human friendly readable format ;-)
[12:37] <Mrokii> perlmonkey, BluesKaj_ Thanks. Unfortunately something doesn't seem to work right here. There should be 8 Gig available, but free only shows 5.4 Gig. :-/
[12:37] <perlmonkey> Mrokki is 8GB now showing as total mem?
[12:38] <perlmonkey> *now~not
[12:38] <BluesKaj_> MobGod, under total?
[12:38] <perlmonkey> yeah
[12:38] <Mrokii> perlmonkey: No. Total is 5.4 Gig
[12:38] <Ben64> Mrokii: pastebin the output of "free -m"
[12:38] <perlmonkey> oh that's odd
[12:39] <perlmonkey> how about a RAM test from grub?
[12:39] <Mrokii> I just installed new RAM, so maybe one of the pieces is faulty. :-/
[12:39] <perlmonkey> maybe you have a bad strip
[12:39] <perlmonkey> its possible yes, or maybe just not seated right, they can be fiddly
[12:39] <perlmonkey> be careful of static, earth yourself
[12:40] <Mrokii> I'll check them again. And I am usually careful of static.
[12:40] <perlmonkey> I had RAM not showing, I dusted, cleaned, re-seated, then it showed
[12:40] <perlmonkey> :-)
[12:40] <azizLIGHT> Test
[12:40] <Mrokii> perlmonkey: Thanks, I'll check them. Bye for now.
[12:41] <perlmonkey> bbfn  good luck
[12:41] <Mrokii> ty.
[12:42] <perlmonkey> RAM can be tricky too, sometimes mismatches, if you had one strip that has error checking, but I guess he knew that
[12:42] <perlmonkey> general rule is to buy all same brand/source
[12:43] <perlmonkey> same applies to HDD I find, matched pairs works well for rsync
[12:43] <perlmonkey> for disk mirroring
[12:43] <BluesKaj_> just installed two 2G sticks on this old pc, makes quite a difference
[12:43] <perlmonkey> exact size and mechanical spec
[12:43] <perlmonkey> neat
[12:44] <Ben64> try to stay on topic here please, use #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support issues
[12:44] <perlmonkey> RAM can be tremendous difference eh, esp if you use RAM drives and lightweight dm like xfce4
[12:44] <perlmonkey> Ben64 apologies
[12:45]  * perlmonkey tests his headless nvidia system and gets back to work
[12:46] <BluesKaj_> gives this old amd dual core cpu gelp with booting into 14.10, especailly with KDE
[12:46] <BluesKaj_> err help
[12:47] <perlmonkey> Blue why you use such a heavy dm as kde with limited RAM? just prefer it? xfce4 runs loads faster and has hardly any loss of functionality
[12:48] <perlmonkey> xfce4 is a good choice for < 2GB or laptops/netbooks
[12:49] <perlmonkey> I like how you can customise it so much with bars/start menus etc, and widgets, also a lot of the xfce4 specific tools like the terminal just work better, with copy/paste etc
[12:49] <perlmonkey> a good balance of function over memory, but gnome and kde install a lot of bloat and take up a good deal of memory
[12:49] <ararob> perlmonkey:although i still can't paste with ctl+v into terminal.
[12:50] <perlmonkey> not being able to copy and paste easily in terminal is very annoying
[12:50] <ararob> it works in mac os x :)
[12:50] <perlmonkey> is there a recommended terminal for gnome?
[12:50] <BluesKaj_> perlmonkey, 6G Ram works well ...the other desktops don't do much for me, even with 3G Ram i preferred KDE
[12:51] <perlmonkey> :)
[12:51] <perlmonkey> I have 4GB ram, running Gnome comfortably here, just about
[12:51] <perlmonkey> But I will be changing to xfce4 on my main workstation
[12:52] <perlmonkey> I would never run Gnome/KDE on my 2GB laptop or 1GB netbook
[12:52] <perlmonkey> the performance drop over xfce4 is dramatic
[12:52] <ararob> 4GB to run a desktop environment is crazy
[12:52] <madani> perlmonkey: may it cause to slow the sys?
[12:53] <perlmonkey> yeah its much slower in general, xfce4 is a lot quicker to start apps and do stuff
[12:53] <Mrokii> perlmonkey: Hi again. Just wanted to say that everything seems to works fine now. I re-inserted one of the strips and now 7.8 GB total memory are recognised. Thanks for the tip.
[12:53] <perlmonkey> Mrokii nice to hear :)
[12:54] <ararob> perlmonkey: 16GB and SSDs only way i'd choose KDE over XFCE
[12:54] <hateball> Using -offtopic for !ot is a complex concept
[12:54]  * perlmonkey run tinycore Linux on a Via embedded sys with just 256mb ram, that Linux runs entirely in RAM using RAM drive, INCREDIBLY fast, beats xfce4 with 4GB RAM :P
[12:55] <perlmonkey> RAM drives = awesome
[12:55] <Mrokii> madani: If you're referring to "only" having 4 GB for Ubuntu, I can say that it sometimes slows down things. But for me that wasn't so much the system itself but certain apps, like having opened lots of tabs in Chromium. That's why I went with about 8 Gig now and hope that it'll be better.
[12:55] <BluesKaj_> ararob,, well to each his own , but it depends what you run on the pc , not a gamer and this pc is our media server
[12:55] <perlmonkey> 4GB for me is sufficient, comfortable, more is better but not essential IMO.
[12:56] <BluesKaj_> ararob, that's total overkill for kde btw
[12:56] <perlmonkey> yeah I don't do gaming or any memory intensive stuff, just programming, normal computing, some graphics editing, encoding of videos and music etc
[12:56] <ararob> BluesKaj_: hah, say that in 10 years ;)
[12:57] <perlmonkey> I think we best stay on topic Ben64 has told us off, I forgot, sorry Ben
[12:57] <perlmonkey> this is meant for support only
[12:57] <perlmonkey> BluesKaj ;-)
[12:57]  * BluesKaj_ shrugs , wha's that got to do with now , ararob?
[12:58] <ignacio> I know Ubuntu 15.04 is not supported. But is there anyway for upgrade to it from 14.10_
[12:58] <ignacio> ?
[12:58] <BluesKaj_> poor ben64_ ... must be tough for him :)
[12:59] <hateball> !ubuntu+1 | ignacio
[12:59] <qknight_> https://gist.github.com/qknight/edfefee811acb0e35063 <- seems nvidia on ubuntu is 'just broken' with the packages coming with apt
[12:59] <ignacio> hateball, thank you
[12:59] <perlmonkey> you can't normally jump to a much newer release in an upgrade, I think you need to go through the upgrades? Else stuff will break if you just change the repoistories?
[13:00] <qknight_> i will install the nvidia driver from the run file now, maybe that'll work
[13:00] <perlmonkey> if there's more versions beteen 14.10 and 15.04
[13:01] <perlmonkey> gknight_ good luck man, I'm having some nvidia issues myself, f'kin cards are a nightmare eh
[13:01] <perlmonkey> i had proprietory tech and manufacturers who dont do open source
[13:01] <perlmonkey> *had~hate
[13:02] <scottstamp> I'm trying to find a web management UI for a basic router/firewall config, I don't really need anything too advanced, just managing port forwards and static leases. Any suggestions?
[13:02] <hateball> If the nvidia driver provided by the additional drivers installer does not work, I'd suggest using xorg-edgers ppa rather than manual install
[13:02] <Mrokii> qknight_: I think there are repositories for later nVidia-drivers.
[13:02] <BluesKaj_> odd, nvidia are least troublesome in my experience ...ati/amds give the most problems ime
[13:02] <qknight_> perlmonkey: indeed they are a nightmare. i've been having issues with nvidia+linux (and epecially debian) for nearly a decade now ;-)
[13:02] <DF3D2> if my audio device is CARD 2, DEVICE 0 according to aplay -L how come I can't seem to pipe that info in to MPD to control volume
[13:02] <perlmonkey> scottstamp: I generally do all that in my router, the fw and port forwarding is sufficient
[13:02] <DF3D2> the output works, but vol control dos not
[13:03] <perlmonkey> using the router makes sense I think (if you can) rather than software options
[13:03] <scottstamp> perlmonkey: that's the thing, this is a software router. :P
[13:03] <scottstamp> it's for a private network that my VMs join before they get a public-facing IP
[13:03] <perlmonkey> oh, don't you have a hardware router with a good web gui?
[13:03] <scottstamp> >VMs
[13:04] <perlmonkey> you might wanna invest in one? cheap on eBay
[13:04] <scottstamp> ..
[13:04] <scottstamp> Okay, the box the VMs are on is directly exposed to the internet. It's not behind a NAT. That's not an option. :P
[13:04] <perlmonkey> scottsamp: webmin might be of use
[13:05] <scottstamp> Too heavy.
[13:05] <scottstamp> I mean I have plenty of resources for it, but webmin would be incredibly wasteful.
[13:05] <BluesKaj_> !webmin
[13:05] <scottstamp> Hah. Also that.
[13:06] <scottstamp> Wait huh? I run it on Wheezy without a hitch and have for a long time...
[13:08] <perlmonkey> I used to run webmin and found it quite good, but these days I use cPanel/WHM and professional hosting
[13:08] <scottstamp> I'm partial to Virtualmin for non-production
[13:09] <scottstamp> Anything production is manually configured on nginx or managed with cPanel.
[13:09] <perlmonkey> cool
[13:10] <scottstamp> nginx usually just for SSL or non-PHP workloads. Do you host your own cPanel servers?
[13:11] <administrador> hola, alguien puede ayudarme
[13:12] <perlmonkey> scottstamp: I couldn't get used to nginx as I use a lot of perl, I know its supposed to be a lot more efficient than apache.. I don't own physical servers, but just buy resources, I use a clever green host that runs on 1/8th electricity of a normal data centre and uses cloud a lot for redundancy and load balancing, I manage my own DNS using DNSMadeEasy
[13:13] <Chuck_Norris> !es | administrador
[13:14] <administrador> gracias
[13:14] <scottstamp> heh, fair enough perlmonkey. I used to work as a sysadmin so the idea of letting a provider manage my stuff.. not happenin'
[13:15] <perlmonkey> scottstamp: 8.99 a month makes sense really cheaper than buying hardware/bandwidth, for high-speed, dedicated IP, ssh, dedicated resources, unlimited bandwidth/disk space.. its uk based where I am, the performance benefit has been significant since I moved from justhost in US, whom I been with for years due to their great support
[13:16] <Kyoshiro`> hi, does anyone know how I can enable the copy/paste (for usage in VMs) of password on the login screen (lightDM) ?
[13:16] <perlmonkey> Kyoshiro interesting question
[13:17] <scottstamp> That's not bad at all. I get my metal for $56/mo from a DC in Quebec (I'm in a neighbouring province), 32GB, Xeon Westmere 3530 (4c/8t), 4TB of disk and apparently unmetered bandwidth
[13:17] <perlmonkey> i dont think you could paste it, becuz pw's are not usually clear text on the field?
[13:17] <Kyoshiro`> it doesn't allow pasting :(
[13:17] <perlmonkey> unless you changed that
[13:18] <perlmonkey> but even if it did, or you could enable pasting I mean.. would it even work?
[13:18] <scottstamp> Afaik lightdm doesn't init the clipboard until post-login
[13:18] <Kyoshiro`> why not ?
[13:18] <scottstamp> Most wm's don't
[13:18] <perlmonkey> becuz the pw field doesn't use plain text?
[13:18] <scottstamp> it's just not part of that environment.
[13:18] <Kyoshiro`> hmmm
[13:18] <Kyoshiro`> it's too bad :(
[13:19] <perlmonkey> it *might* work, sometimes I can paste pw's, sometimes not (where I can paste at all I mean)
[13:19] <Kyoshiro`> I'm using a few VMs for security purposes (PCI1 environment) and I wanted to store complex long passwords into a password manager
[13:19] <scottstamp> Lol, irony at its best.
[13:20] <perlmonkey> isn't there a wallet-style app or something?
[13:20] <Kyoshiro`> so I wanted to launch virtualbox and paste the login password ^^
[13:20] <Kyoshiro`> well, it'd be after login only
[13:20] <perlmonkey> I was looking at wallet the other day, it seems to manage a lot of apps/services and pw's
[13:20] <Kyoshiro`> why scottstamp ?
[13:20] <scottstamp> perlmonkey: I believe Kyoshiro` is talking about the login screen you're prompted with when you login to your user account.
[13:20] <Kyoshiro`> yup
[13:21] <scottstamp> Kyoshiro`: PCI1 environment, and you're looking to circumvent the main secure element, for convenience.
[13:21] <perlmonkey> scottstamp ah yeah so like the other poster said, paste would only be enabled after login?
[13:21] <Kyoshiro`> I'm logging in into a Virtualbox machine and I wanted to paste the password from my host
[13:21] <perlmonkey> in the dm environment
[13:21] <scottstamp> o/ I was the other poster, but correct.
[13:21] <Ben64> Kyoshiro`: why not just have it auto log in?
[13:21] <perlmonkey> :-)
[13:21] <Kyoshiro`> Ben64, it'd be much unsecure ^^
[13:21] <Ben64> yeah, so is what you want
[13:21] <perlmonkey> yeah autologin
[13:21] <scottstamp> lol
[13:22] <Kyoshiro`> scottstamp, well, I have to change pass every 90 days
[13:22] <Kyoshiro`> and keep it secure
[13:22] <perlmonkey> if security is not an problem and VNC is not used etc
[13:22] <scottstamp> Is your password the same password being used on the VMs?
[13:22] <Kyoshiro`> nope
[13:22] <Ben64> Kyoshiro`: maybe try asking in #vbox
[13:22] <scottstamp> Because if it's not, I'm pretty sure what you want to do is in direct violation of PCI
[13:23] <Kyoshiro`> it's a VM to connect the VPN only
[13:23] <scottstamp> Doesn't matter, if it has a password and it's on a PCI-compliant network, it's a secure element.
[13:23] <scottstamp> Not that what you're trying to do is exactly auditable, but it is a security issue.
[13:23] <Kyoshiro`> how is it an issue if I can paste my password instead of typing it ?
[13:24] <scottstamp> Because that password is now being stored in a keychain on your system instead of in your head, where it belongs.
[13:24] <Ben64> Kyoshiro`: doesn't matter, see if #vbox has a way to do what you want, this isn't an ubuntu issue at all
[13:24]  * perlmonkey is connected to Raspi using VNC (first time ever used VNC) and loving it, incredible how well this works in just 1GB ram over wifi even, only marginal performance loss over physically being at Raspi
[13:24] <Kyoshiro`> hmm I see
[13:25] <Kyoshiro`> Ben64, not really, it's a lightDM issue/feature request in fact, not vbox
[13:25] <Kyoshiro`> yeah scottstamp I see your point
[13:25] <Kyoshiro`> I've just arrived but the whole company's using a secure vault for everything
[13:25] <Ben64> you're trying to paste from a host to a guest, thats a vbox issue
[13:25] <Kyoshiro`> and they've been PCI1 for 4 years
[13:26] <Kyoshiro`> Ben64, pasting works after login, it's just lightDM does not allow paste :)
[13:26] <Ben64> then you have your answer i suppose
[13:26] <perlmonkey> Ben64 is Raspbian more Debian-like, than Ubuntu? Ubuntu is an improvement on Debian?
[13:26] <Kyoshiro`> my question was precisely if there was an option to allow that ^^
[13:26] <Ben64> perlmonkey: ubuntu is based on debian
[13:27] <Kyoshiro`> but yeah I suppose it doesn't ;)
[13:27] <Kyoshiro`> anyways, thanks for the insight
[13:27] <scottstamp> Rasp"ian" Deb"ian" - yeah, it's not much like Ubuntu at all, really.
[13:27] <perlmonkey> the name answers my question, silly question eh. RaspBIAN DeBIAN
[13:28] <scottstamp> Ubuntu differentiated itself a few versions back when they ditched init.d
[13:28] <scottstamp> which I still hate. :\
[13:28] <Kyoshiro`> hehe
[13:28] <wafflej0ck> scottstamp: isn't debain going systemd too?
[13:28] <wafflej0ck> debian*
[13:28] <scottstamp> wafflej0ck: probably :(
[13:28] <perlmonkey> I used to run Debian servers
[13:28] <perlmonkey>  in 1997/1998 and Ubuntu was like a beath of fresh air
[13:28] <Kyoshiro`> never figured how to restart samba server with upstart, else than restart nmbd ; restart smbd
[13:29] <perlmonkey> Debian was the best distro but Ubuntu had all the advantages of it and a more user-friendly feel and community
[13:29] <scottstamp> I *know* systemd, that's not my problem, I just haaate it. I have to use it for managing CoreOS services.
[13:29] <Kyoshiro`> yeah debian is going systemd, there is a #debianfork from people who want a debian with sysV
[13:29] <perlmonkey> so migration was easy
[13:30] <perlmonkey> Raspbian is strange little OS, feels like Debian-lite.. it uses the lightdm
[13:30] <scottstamp> perlmonkey: they're both bordering obsolescence for anything but desktop computing imo
[13:31] <Kyoshiro`> ah, I wanted to try it, I'm currently on openelec but XBMC is kinda sluggish
[13:31] <scottstamp> Ubuntu 'cause bloody Canonical keeps deciding they need to be a special little snowflake, and Debian because of the infinitely easier-to-manage options available.
[13:31] <Ben64> !ot
[13:31] <k1l> perlmonkey: #raspbian  for help with that.
[13:32] <scottstamp> Sorry Ben. D: missed the 'Support'
[13:32] <k1l> #debian for debian and systemd support. #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat, lets focus on support for ubuntu in here :)
[13:33] <perlmonkey> scottstamp did you get that?
[13:33] <scottstamp> Get what?
[13:33] <perlmonkey> scottstamp oh I sent you a /notice re Raspbian and nginx/apache2 to avoid being off-top
[13:34] <scottstamp> erm, I don't think /notice works like that, feel free to /msg me though.
[13:34] <perlmonkey> I guess notices don't work in quIM or you have them disabled
[13:34] <perlmonkey> thanks scott
[13:34] <perlmonkey> *gutIM
[13:35] <perlmonkey> I just switched from pigeon, qutIM is not bad
[13:35] <perlmonkey> *pidgin, god what's wrong with me
[13:40] <Guest67440> everyone :)
[13:40] <Guest67440> anyone?
[13:40] <Guest67440> :O
[13:41] <k1l> !ask | Guest67440
[13:41] <amund__> Hi All, need some help on ssh agent forwarding
[13:43] <amund__> I am doing ssh agent forward to one of the remote system and running screen on the remote system, the agent stay alive for some time as long as I am running a process, but after some time, lets say if I disconnect my laptop for some time and connect to the remote server and re-join to the screen session, in ssh-add -l I am not seeing my forwareded agent
[13:44] <Annoyed> Greetings.. General question...I'm currently using a FreeBSD machine for firwalling, time / DNS / file server, general services machine.. almost all configured via configuration files. I intend on migrating to a Ubuntu platform.. and using the same tools, configuring things by hand using config files... Will the GUI get broken or cayse problems with this ?
[13:45] <perlmonkey> Annoyed, no don't see why it should
[13:46] <newbegginer> Hello, I just started using Ubuntu and I tried to install Wine.. but I got this error message: http://pastebin.com/t3TKeY8D
[13:46] <newbegginer> Is this the Ubuntu support channel though?
[13:46] <Annoyed> Last time I tried to go "under" a GUI to configure things, it was Red Hat, and that had a royal kiniption fit.
[13:47] <perlmonkey> newbegginer did you upgrade outside your distro version?
[13:47] <perlmonkey> that can really mess up a system
[13:48] <newbegginer> Where should I check my Distro version?
[13:48] <k1l> newbegginer: "lsb_release -d"
[13:48] <newbegginer> Ubuntu 13.10
[13:49] <newbegginer> I can't update though.
[13:49] <k1l> newbegginer: and for the package see: "apt-cache policy wine"
[13:49] <k1l> newbegginer: that is bad. you need to upgrade to 14.04 asap
[13:49] <perlmonkey> Annoyed: oh yeah, RH can be like that.. but Ubuntu is based on Debian as you know probably, and Debian is more for the terminal/hands-on guys, and Ubuntu inherits that, so you can feel free to go into /etc/init.d services etc and hack away at config files, no issues at all, I do it all the time
[13:49] <newbegginer> Installed: (none)
[13:50] <newbegginer>   Candidate: 1:1.7.18-0ubuntu1~saucy1
[13:50] <newbegginer>   Version table:
[13:50] <newbegginer>      1:1.7.18-0ubuntu1~saucy1 0
[13:50] <newbegginer>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy/main amd64 Packages
[13:50] <newbegginer>      1.4.1-0ubuntu7 0
[13:50] <unopaste> newbegginer you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[13:50] <perlmonkey> oh man
[13:50] <k1l> newbegginer: you have and old ubuntu version and a PPA which even makes more mess about it. upgrade to 14.04
[13:50] <perlmonkey> never paste in the channel, that's what pastebins are for
[13:51] <newbegginer> Sorry, my bad.
[13:51] <perlmonkey> s'ok
[13:51] <zebra111> How long do pastes last on http://paste.ubuntu.com?
[13:52] <newbegginer> But I just wanted to see if I could install wine.
[13:52] <newbegginer> My computetrs pretty old and freezes often..
[13:53] <newbegginer> So I want to avoid updating.
[13:53] <perlmonkey> zebra111: "Pastes made to pastebins are usually only saved for a short period of time, usually anywhere from a day to a month." - Ubuntu official wiki
[13:53] <k1l> newbegginer: that is not a reason to not upgrade. you dont get any support and security ficxes anymore.
[13:53] <zebra111> Thanks perlmonkey!
[13:54] <Annoyed> Perimonkey: Thank you
[13:54] <k1l> newbegginer: so if its old see if lubuntu works for you. and stay on a LTS version like 12.04 and 14.04, they got 5 years support
[13:54] <cfhowlett> newbegginer, old computer?  lubuntu/xubuntu LTS
[13:54] <perlmonkey> newbegginer yeah very good advice
[13:55] <newbegginer> Well, my (un)experince with linux would probably break my computer if I switch to lubuntu.
[13:55] <perlmonkey> be sure to update regularly, long periods of not updating and new version releases can badly configured sources can lead to these type of dependency breakages
[13:55] <perlmonkey> or people just editing sources to a newer version and not doing a proper upgrade path
[13:56] <k1l> newbegginer: if you think its better to have security issues a 14year old can crack, you are on the wrong path
[13:56] <newbegginer> How do I update then? (Even if I did, Wine will still not work.)
[13:57] <k1l> newbegginer: "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[13:58] <k1l> newbegginer: how come you seem to know but say you are a beginner and dont know much?
[13:58] <perlmonkey> before you do distro upgrade make sure existing one is fully updated
[13:59] <perlmonkey> else you can run into problems
[13:59] <k1l> perlmonkey: there are no updates anyway anymore
[13:59] <perlmonkey> sudo apt-get update && upgrade
[13:59] <k1l> *for 13.10
[13:59] <perlmonkey> ok
[14:00] <newbegginer> Because I had Ubuntu for months tried to install wine and just tried to install it again. (However I only turned on the computer a few times.)
[14:00] <perlmonkey> sometimes I think its maybe better just to install a fresh install if its a radically newer release, than install new ontop of very old
[14:01] <perlmonkey> unless you have some reason for that eh, the structure of Ubuntu makes it easy to keep /home and /etc and do a fresh install
[14:01] <k1l> newbegginer: you have depency errors. that come from 1) using a ubuntu that is shut down anyway 2) using a PPA
[14:02] <k1l> perlmonkey: let him upgrade
[14:02] <perlmonkey> yeah, its time to install a new updated Ubuntu
[14:02] <perlmonkey> ok but i know from experience an old unsupported Ubuntu upgraded to a very new one with lots of updates since = receipe for problems
[14:03] <k1l> upgrades are automated tested on ubuntu and do work if you did not change too much away from the standard. plenty of PPAs are a common issue with upgrades but dont blame ubuntu for that
[14:03] <k1l> perlmonkey: stop
[14:03] <perlmonkey> at the very least, backup data and be prepared to have to format and do a full fresh install I think
[14:03] <newbegginer> Tell me how to fix the ppa issue first.(Becuse the chat program i'm using is on the Linux computer and I don't want to quit.)
[14:03] <k1l> perlmonkey: its 13.10 to 14.04. no need to make paranoia here. just let him upgrade
[14:03] <k1l> !ppa-purge | newbegginer
[14:04] <perlmonkey> k1l I'm not making paranoia just speaking from experience of 2 decades use and many such situations
[14:05] <k1l> perlmonkey: sorry, you didnt even know raspbian is debian based. ubuntu got automatic testing since some time now.
[14:05] <perlmonkey> you need to be prepared for breakage and a not so smooth upgrade in some cases, i'm not saying this will be one, it may go ok
[14:06] <perlmonkey> k1l why you wanna pick a fight, I dunno, but I'm not gonna indulge you
[14:06] <newbegginer> Which ppa should I delete?
[14:07] <newbegginer> Sorry for sounding like an idiot, I have the linux knowledge of a 3rd grader.
[14:07] <k1l> newbegginer: so you got plenty? please pastebin "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[14:07] <perlmonkey> don't be apologising newbegginer, everyone has to learn and by asking stuff its the best way, don't feel bad asking basic questions
[14:08] <newbegginer> http://pastebin.com/E9tUnjKc
[14:09] <perlmonkey> not everyone is a genius here or pro either, you will get mixed advice and some experienced-based, may be different to text-book-based, the real world is different
[14:10] <k1l> newbegginer: the wine one
[14:10] <perlmonkey> I will stay out of this, as k1l is helping you and knows more than I do clearly
[14:11]  * perlmonkey is using wine tho if you need any help after
[14:11] <tnkhanh> I'm thinking virtual box in Ubuntu is better than Wine
[14:11] <newbegginer> Specific command though?
[14:11] <perlmonkey> I never heard of virtual box, I will have to check that
[14:12] <perlmonkey> I find in wine, most apps work normally as per Windows, but often there's little features that don't work
[14:12] <perlmonkey> why is virtual box better?
[14:12] <k1l> sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[14:12] <newbegginer> Thank you.
[14:12] <tnkhanh> perlmonkey: I'm not sure. I feel it runs smoother
[14:12] <tnkhanh> perlmonkey: On my computer, Wine runs very slowly
[14:13] <perlmonkey> cool I will try it, wine can be cranky and prone to lockups eh, I find that a lot too on data intensive apps I use (forex charting)
[14:14] <perlmonkey> if virtual box can let my MT4 client use the simulated speed test slider I would be over the moon, for that I *have to* go to Windows, wine won't do
[14:15] <newbegginer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9550826/
[14:15] <newbegginer> Doesn't appear to work..
[14:15] <perlmonkey> :-/
[14:16] <perlmonkey> newbeginner why don't you give the virtual box a try?
[14:16] <k1l> it cant find packages, so there were non installed. see if its still there in the folder. if so remove the files
[14:16] <k1l> perlmonkey: its not helping him now
[14:16] <newbegginer> perlmonkey: This is why I always say sorry when saying something stupid.
[14:16] <perlmonkey> he's too far into this wine stuff?
[14:16] <k1l> he got 2 tasks now: removing that faulty ppa and upgradin to 14.04. dont confuse the user please
[14:17] <tnkhanh> perlmonkey: people say that wine runs faster than virtual box. I feel the opposite lol
[14:17] <perlmonkey> ok
[14:17] <DarkAceZ> how do I replace a program with another one? I want "xterm" to be replaced with "mate-terminal -e"
[14:17] <DarkAceZ> in usr/bin
[14:17] <newbegginer> k1l: Where should I look?
[14:17] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ you can apt-get remove  or make an alias in bashrc
 newbegginer: so you got plenty? please pastebin "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[14:19] <newbegginer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9550845/
[14:19] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ if you want to physically replace an app, use apt-get remove and install, if you want to keep both, but have another app start when you use the old name, you can create an alias in .bashrc file
[14:20] <k1l> newbegginer: ok, "sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-wine-ppa*"
[14:20]  * perlmonkey needs coffee brb
[14:21] <newbegginer> Okay, now what? The console didn't say anything after the command..
[14:22] <DarkAceZ> perlmonkey: the problem is that somewhere, the default terminal is not set correctly, and when I launch a desktop launcher that has "Terminal=true" in the settings, it launches it with xterm instead of the expected mate-terminal
[14:22] <k1l> see again if they are removed to make sure. if they are gone "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[14:22]  * perlmonkey thinks qutIM is not as good as pidgin (for IRC at least) even though it has a nicer interface
[14:22] <DarkAceZ> either I did it wrong, or aliasing did not help
[14:23] <newbegginer> They are gone now, doing sudo apt-get update.
[14:23] <Chuck_Norris> DarkAceZ: export TERM=mate-terminal
[14:23] <DarkAceZ> Chuck_Norris: didn't help
[14:23] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ did you update the .bashrc file? your alias line should be: alias_name='command to run'  .. after you entered that, type source .bashrc in your /home/user
[14:23] <DarkAceZ> although I had tried TERM="mate-terminal -e" several times already
[14:24] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ: I find it convenient to add aliases to edit and update the .bashrc, like alias-e, alias-u  etc for these commands
[14:25] <perlmonkey> alias-u='source /home/user/.bashrc'
[14:25] <DarkAceZ> alias xterm='mate-terminal -e'
[14:25] <DarkAceZ> that's in my bashrc, now
[14:26] <perlmonkey> ok, and you used source command to update?
[14:26] <DarkAceZ> yep
[14:26] <newbegginer> I guess after doing "sudo do-release-upgrade" I won't be seeing this chat again if it fails and I can't use ubuntu anymore.
[14:26] <newbegginer> But still thanks! Because if it DOES fail I have slightly more Ubuntu knowledge since I first started.
[14:26] <DarkAceZ> the launcher is still launching it with xterm, though
[14:27] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ: strange, be sure your aliases are working, add another simple one to do something
[14:27] <perlmonkey> like list='ls'
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> alias copy='cp'
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> $ copy
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> cp: missing file operand
[14:28] <perlmonkey> that's good, clearly working
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> keep in mind that I'm launching this "launcher" directly from the desktop
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> I don't start it from a terminal
[14:28] <Seveas> DarkAceZ: aliases don't work there.
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> if that matters at all
[14:28] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ ah that's the prob then I think
[14:28] <newbegginer> Goodbye for now I guess. I have to update.
[14:29] <Seveas> aliases only work inside shells that have already been launched (and parsed the .bashrc)
[14:29] <extor> Whats the easiest way to set up a remote logging? I seem to recall it's really l33t to have auth logs and pam logs remotely written. Not sure if it's still fashionable today.
[14:29] <DarkAceZ> yeah, which is why I believe I should be changing the program in /usr/bin to a bash script
[14:29] <DarkAceZ> but I'm not sure what to put in said script
[14:29] <perlmonkey> the alias won't help from the desktop, you need a different approach there
[14:30] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ yeah that's possible, a symbolic link could do it
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> oh
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> haha
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> why didn't I think of that
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> I use them all the time
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> give me a sec
[14:30] <perlmonkey> ln -s /path/to/new/app  /path/to/old_app_name
[14:30] <Seveas> extor: it is, and it's quite simple with rsyslog or syslog-ng
[14:31] <perlmonkey> sorry my example was a bit wrong, the ln -s is /path/ alias
[14:32] <perlmonkey> do that inside the directory where the old prog resides
[14:32] <perlmonkey> i would mv the old prog first to .bak
[14:33] <vangogh> Hi folks, here is a segment of a script that gives me a headache
[14:33] <vangogh> http://pastebin.com/8tFYKzQS
[14:33] <vangogh> I get two errors:
[14:33] <vangogh> line 15: [[.war!=.war: command not found
[14:33] <vangogh> line 15: 1: command not found
[14:34] <vangogh> why doesn't the first check work and where does 1 come from?
[14:37] <w91316> hello
[14:38] <perlmonkey> Ben64 well my sys won't start X now ith 304 nvidia, NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (No such device or address)  Fatal server error: no screens found. init: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused.
[14:38] <perlmonkey> :-/
[14:38] <perlmonkey> how do you start xfce4?
[14:39] <w91316> I don't know how to do it
[14:39] <perlmonkey> startx is not a good way to start x?
[14:39] <zebra111> startxfce4 perlmonkey (xfce wiki)
[14:39] <perlmonkey> zebra111 thanks man
[14:39] <Pici> vangogh: #bash would probably be the best place to ask this
[14:40] <k1l> no
[14:40] <Chuck_Norris> perlmonkey: startx /usr/bin/X11/xfce ?
[14:40] <k1l> perlmonkey: start lightdm
[14:40] <k1l> no guys
[14:40] <perlmonkey> thanks k1l, Chuck
[14:41] <k1l> dont use startx on ubuntu. start the *dm which is lightdm.
[14:41] <perlmonkey> still the same /dev/nvidiactl device error
[14:41] <EriC^^> perlmonkey: sudo service lightdm restart
[14:41] <perlmonkey> ok
[14:44] <stianhj> vangogh: #bash
[14:44] <arcsky> i want to send syslogs messages from my linux clients (Ubuntu/Debian) to the syslog-ng server. do i need an syslog-ng client for that?
[14:45] <vangogh> thanks for the suggestion
[14:45] <vangogh> in case anyone has syntax errors, take a look at http://www.shellcheck.net/
[14:50] <ntz> hello
[14:50] <ntz> one little request (I don't have buntu but now solving something around it) .. can any of you show that (presumably) one line from sudoers doing, that sudo in ubu wants user password and NOT root's password ?
[14:51] <synks> Having no luck creating bootable windows usb on ubuntu. Unetbootin always stops at file 512, other tools I tried don't work at all - any help?
[14:51] <ntz> "normal" (and sane) setup is that sudo wants root's password
[14:51] <cfhowlett> !root | ntz
[14:51] <ntz> cfhowlett: reread please ..
[14:51] <ntz> I know what sudo is
[14:52] <ntz> ah .. you're bot and you reacted on the string sudo ... all good then .. no prob
[14:52] <mete_> hi everyone. I have a problem on my laptop (ubuntu 14.04). laptop speakers are working fine but headphones are not working. Can you help me?
[14:53] <EriC^^> ntz: normal sudo doesn't ask for root's password
[14:53] <Seveas> ntz: no you don't know. sudo always asks for the invoking user's password, *not* the root password.
[14:53] <lifeforms> I'd like to automatically start and background a command at boot on 12.04 LTS, is there a recommended way to create an (upstart/init) script to do this nicely?
[14:53] <EriC^^> ntz: you add a person to a group that has access to certain commands, or you can add a user alone
[14:53] <Seveas> and that's not just on Ubuntu, that's upstream sudo and every distro
[14:54] <MoonLove> hello, can someone help me,  no soun in ubuntu
[14:54] <MoonLove> no soun in ubuntu
[14:54] <synks> Alternative to UNetbootin for windows bootable usb? Unetbootin stops after 512 file..
[14:54] <EriC^^> ntz: i think you're talking about su
[14:54] <MoonLove> no sound in ubuntu sorry
[14:54] <Guest90244> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[14:54] <ntz> EriC^^: in ubuntu sudo wants user password .. in all other systems including solaris and whatever wants sudo root's password or the password of the user supposed to run the command you use sudo for
[14:55] <Seveas> ntz: nonsense. sudo never asks for the root password. That's su.
[14:55] <ntz> > sudo /bin/echo hello
[14:55] <ntz> root's password:
[14:56] <ntz> NO, omg .. seems like you ubuntists live in the bubble
[14:56] <ntz> again: only ubuntu implementation of sudo behaves like that
[14:56] <Seveas> nope.
[14:56] <mete_> Guest90244: bash: /home/mete/.config/pulse: Is a directory
[14:56] <Seveas> unless you have an actual Ubuntu problem and not just lying rants about sudo, please leanve.
[14:57] <k1l> ntz: sudo needs the users pw. thats it
[14:57] <cfhowlett> ntz, there are sound reasons for the sudo structure.  don't like?  don't use.  simple
[14:58] <ntz> cfhowlett: I only wanted a respective part of unbuntu sudoers doing that sudo wants user's pwd instead of root pwd
[14:58] <compdoc> there is no root password
[14:58] <Seveas> ntz: that's not in the sudoers file, that's sudos behaviour.
[14:59] <EriC^^> ntz: sudo doesn't ask for root's pass
[14:59] <somsip> ntz: if a user had access to the root password, they could log in as root. So they would not have to use sudo. Which would mean that the protection of using sudo would be completely broken. So you are erroneous in what you are saying
[14:59] <teward> ntz: sudo allows a user, when configured in sudoers with access to use sudo for things, to use their own password as an auth mechanism to gain superuser rights for that command - it asks for the user's password, not root's password, because there is no root password.
[15:00] <Seveas> EriC^^: according to ntz' lies it does on other systems. He's just trolling.
[15:00] <EriC^^> ntz: maybe you're using the same pass and you're mistaken?
[15:03] <madani> hi
[15:03] <madani> anyone help me how to install idm
[15:03] <EriC^^> !info idm
[15:03] <EriC^^> are you talknig about the download manager?
[15:03] <k1l> the download manager thing?
[15:03] <madani> yes.
[15:04] <EriC^^> madani: i don't think there is idm for linux
[15:04] <k1l> why do people need that at all?
[15:04] <cfhowlett> !info 'download manager thing'
[15:04] <Chuck_Norris> madani: use jdownloader
[15:04] <EriC^^> madani: you can use uget with the firefox flashgot add-on
[15:04] <bazhang> !info aria2
[15:04] <k1l> yep, there is no idm for non windows
[15:04] <madani> then how you download any video from youtube?
[15:04] <cfhowlett> madani, yt-downloader
[15:04] <EriC^^> madani: youtube-dl
[15:04] <Seveas> madani: cclive
[15:04] <Chuck_Norris> madani: i do with jdownloader
[15:04] <EriC^^> !info youtube-dl
[15:04] <k1l> madani: with browserplugins, or cli tools, or other tools
[15:04] <bazhang> firefox plugin madani
[15:04] <lifeforms> okay, found a nice upstart script :)
[15:05] <MoonLove> help i cant have sound
[15:05] <madani> ok thanks to all of you
[15:05] <bazhang> welcome
[15:05] <Seveas> MoonLove: did you follow the troubleshooting steps given to you earlier?
[15:07] <MoonLove> yes, my problem is a have a chip  (envy24) without native drivers
[15:08] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, is this a m-audio card?
[15:09] <MoonLove> yes
[15:09] <bazhang> !find envy24
[15:10] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, in a terminal, aplay -l. and pastebin the output
[15:10] <MoonLove> compyuser@compy1:~$ aplay -l
[15:10] <MoonLove> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[15:11] <MoonLove> i have dummy output in settings
[15:12] <Chuck_Norris> MoonLove: i found this long time ago, i never tried but... it might help you https://github.com/takaswie/snd-firewire-improve
[15:12] <David--> tyring to format ubuntu 14 and booting from the cd takes me to grub and not the installation disk... any help please?
[15:12] <cfhowlett> David--, how does one format Ubuntu?
[15:13] <Chuck_Norris> oh! sry, BluesKaj_ didn't read ya
[15:13] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, type alsamixer in the terminal, check the name of the chip in the upper left to make sure so we can figure out which driverto use
[15:13] <David--> cfhowlett: thats what im asking you/
[15:14] <MoltenSlag> David-- make sure you boot from the CD
[15:14] <MoonLove> alsamixer: it cant open no dile no folder with this name
[15:14] <cfhowlett> David--, not clear what you attempting.  we don't format ubuntu, we format storage: hdd, usb ...
[15:14] <MoltenSlag> David-- usually it's some buton lime F7 you need to press at the start
[15:14] <David--> Hmm maybe the disk was ejected on the last time at the end
[15:14] <David--> im 200 miles from the machine so never thought of that
[15:15] <MoltenSlag> David-- oh... might have been.
[15:15] <David--> :)
[15:16] <MoonLove> ?
[15:16] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, type alsmixer in the terminal
[15:18] <MoonLove> alsamixer: the mixer can not open no file no folder
[15:20] <MoonLove> ?
[15:20] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, where are you typing alsamixer?
[15:20] <zebra111> apt-get install alsamixer moonlove?
[15:21] <newbegginer> Hello.. I was the guy who asked about installing wine an hour ago.
[15:21] <BluesKaj_> zebra111, normally alsamixer is installed by default
[15:21] <zebra111> oops
[15:21] <madani> can anyone tell me how to read a bar code from scanner in php
[15:21] <madani> ?
[15:21] <newbegginer> The Ubuntu update ran great!
[15:22] <newbegginer> So I want to say thanks to k1l.
[15:22] <tmick> Hi quoexl ，i  am  coming
[15:23] <DarkAceZ> ugh, this is a real mess
[15:23] <MoonLove> in terminal window's command prompt
[15:24] <zebra111> MoonLove run alsamixer | pastebinit
[15:25] <MoonLove> zebrall alsamixer not foun at install
[15:25] <zebra111> oh
[15:25] <zebra111> So it's not installed moonlove? If it isn't, try apt-get install alsamixer (but it should be installed by default)
[15:27] <MoonLove> zebrall it says alsamixer can not be found (after sudo apt-get install alsamixer)
[15:28] <MoonLove> ?
[15:28] <zebra111> try sudo apt-get remove --purge alsa-utils then sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[15:28] <zebra111> http://askubuntu.com/questions/294807/ubuntu-12-04-alsamixer-not-found
[15:28] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils
[15:30] <MoonLove> the same output no access
[15:30] <MoonLove> no success
[15:30] <MoonLove> sorry :)
[15:31] <zebra111> MoonLove do echo $PATH
[15:31] <MoonLove> i can run alsamixer
[15:31] <zebra111> oh
[15:31] <MoonLove> compyuser@compy1:~$ echo $PATH
[15:31] <MoonLove> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
[15:32] <MoonLove> i have ubuntu 14.04 lts
[15:32] <zebra111> If it's working now that's good
[15:33] <coredump> so anyone interested in a new job? Chef, rails, redis, devopsy stuff, etc
[15:33] <MoonLove> ?
[15:34] <teward> coredump: i don't think that's on topic for the channe.
[15:34] <k1l_> !ot | coredump
[15:34] <coredump> join #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:34] <coredump> erm
[15:34] <grayshade> hello. i have some nfs shares in /etc/fstab. how can i get them to mount at boot, but after the network starts?
[15:34] <RahulAN> Mayer, hii
[15:40] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, so what does alsamixer show as chip in upper left?
[15:40] <MoonLove> alsamixer do not run
[15:40] <MoonLove> no file no folder
[15:40] <nwe> hello, I got problem to mount glusterfs I have to server with glusterfsd with replication between them.. but when I trying to mount it I get Mount failed I running command mount -t glusterfs <ip>:/volume-name /mount/point
[15:41] <ikonia> nwe: so walk it through, what have you done so far to debug it ?
[15:41] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, did you install alsa-base and alsa-utils?
[15:41] <MoonLove> yes !
[15:43] <BluesKaj_> hmm, maybe a reboot ?
[15:44] <MoonLove> i have make a reboot but it remains the same
[15:44] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[15:45] <Gothicspeaker> Why does it have to be a pain to install a simple Flash player at the newest Ubuntu?
[15:45] <Gothicspeaker> I 'm already spending an hour on it.
[15:46] <ikonia> Gothicspeaker: because flash has been dropped from linux by adobe
[15:46] <MoonLove> i have open it with        alsamixergui
[15:46] <Gothicspeaker> ikonia: But there is an adobe flash player 11 for linux
[15:46] <MoonLove> i dont no :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj_> Gothicspeaker, it also depends which browser you use
[15:46] <ikonia> Gothicspeaker: very old version
[15:46] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, then instyall it
[15:47] <Gothicspeaker> alsamixergui?
[15:48] <MoonLove> yes
[15:49] <qwweer_> Hej I just tried to install my fingerprint sensor but somehow the it says open failed. Now I cannt run sudo to remove me from the fingerprint group.
[15:49] <MoonLove> i have installed ubuntu restricted extras and i can launch alsamixer with the command alsamixergui
[15:49] <Gothicspeaker> qwweer_: Lol
[15:49] <qwweer_> Yea huge lol
[15:49] <qwweer_> sadly
[15:50] <Gothicspeaker> Why do you put your fingerprint online in the first place?
[15:50] <qwweer_> Because I wanted to use it
[15:50] <MoonLove> ?
[15:50] <Gothicspeaker> For a password?
[15:50] <qwweer_> Yea
[15:51] <harushimo> for ubuntu 12.04, I would like to python 3.4.2. I was going to install it from the source
[15:51] <qwweer_> Do you think it would work if i disable
[15:51] <qwweer_> it over bios
[15:51] <qwweer_> and then boot without finger print sensor
[15:51] <harushimo> I want to get python 3.4.2. I was going to install it from the source
[15:52] <harushimo> they are some libraries that I need to use in that version
[15:52] <Pici> harushimo: I'd go for the deadsnakes ppa before doing that.
[15:52] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, if you someone's attention use their nick instead of a question mark
[15:52] <harushimo> what is the deadsnakes ppa?
[15:52] <harushimo> I never heard of it
[15:52] <Gothicspeaker> I will be away now
[15:52] <Gothicspeaker> bye
[15:52] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, now look in upper left of alsmixer for the chip in use
[15:52] <Pici> harushimo: https://launchpad.net/~fkrull/+archive/ubuntu/deadsnakes?field.series_filter=precise
[15:53] <Pici> harushimo: Still technically unsupported by Ubuntu, but much cleaner than installing it yourself from source. Plus its pretty well known.
[15:55] <harushimo> I understand when you go to newer OS. We can get everything.  From compilers, Is it not a good idea install from source?
[15:55] <harushimo> i.e.python, ruby..etc
[15:55] <MoonLove> BlueKaj_ it say pulseaudio in top of left
[15:55] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ it say pulseaudio in top of left
[15:56] <Pici> harushimo: There are additional patches that go into packages that make them more suited to the release you're running on. Installing from source doesn't necessarily provide those.
[15:56] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, ok try your audio now
[15:56] <qwweer> So meh didnt worked
[15:56] <qwweer> any other idea
[15:56] <qwweer> it also wants to read the finger print
[15:56] <MoonLove> BluesKaj Chip: PulseAudio
[15:56] <qwweer> in terminal mode
[15:57] <harushimo> Just for my education, I'm asking this question: what type of additional patches are we talking about?
[15:57] <MoonLove> BluesKaj          no sound
[15:57] <BluesKaj_> pulseaudio is a sound server not a chip
[15:58] <MoonLove> BluesKaj          the chip is Envy24
[15:58] <MoonLove> BluesKaj         but it is not show at that
[15:59] <Rhos> To view the manual page for a topic the correct command is:
[15:59] <Rhos> for terminal what would the awnser be?
[15:59] <Rhos> I am trying to figure this out
[15:59] <Rhos> To view the manual page for a topic the correct command is:\
[16:00] <MoltenSlag> Rhos: man?
[16:00] <k1l_> man programname
[16:00] <k1l_> Rhos: and next time dont let us do your homework
[16:00] <Pici> apropos something
[16:00] <Rhos> The command manual ls will provide detailed information about how the ls command functions. True or False?
[16:00] <MoltenSlag> Rhos: is it some quiz?
[16:00] <Rhos> Some online quiz I studied for
[16:00] <k1l_> Rhos: homework into #ubuntu-offtopic please
[16:00] <Rhos> but all the awnser
[16:01] <Rhos> 's are different from what I studied
[16:01] <MoltenSlag> Rhos: you can google all of it easily
[16:01] <Rhos> So I am stuck
[16:01] <Pici> I wouldn't trust #ubuntu-offtopic with homework questions
[16:01] <Rhos> I am a extremely new user.
[16:01] <Rhos> I am not sure what I'd be looking for
[16:01] <Rhos> What would you guys say? True or false?
[16:01] <MoltenSlag> Rhos: you can get basics here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[16:02] <RileyC> We're having a IO  issue that we're not seeing on Ubuntu 10.0.4, but we are on Ubunto 12 and 14.
[16:03] <RileyC> Did something in the scheduler change after Ubuntu 10.0.4?
[16:03] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, ok in the terminal , sudo modprobe snd_ice1712
[16:04] <Rhos_> Which of the man page sections will provide an example of how the command is executed?
[16:04] <Rhos_> ???
[16:04] <k1l_> Rhos_: come on. you can look that up on your own
[16:05] <k1l_> Rhos_: "man man" and you can answer that
[16:05] <Rhos_> There is too much text that isn't what I am looking for on that website
[16:05] <Rhos_> I don't even know what I am reading or where to start for the awnser.
[16:05] <MoonLove> compyuser@compy1:~$ sudo modprobe snd_ice1712
[16:05] <MoonLove> [sudo] password for compyuser:
[16:05] <MoonLove> compyuser@compy1:~$
[16:05] <mete_> hey. Ubuntu 14.04 with no sound on headphones. Tried troubleshooting document but no solution. http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=4e99181cef61825ca1cbbce949f8bdfe8d07d53e
[16:05] <k1l_> Rhos_: its to make sure you actually learn something. if we just tell you the answers you dont learn anything
[16:05] <ssalenik> Rhos_: why don't you just try it? open up a terminal and try some of the commands?
[16:06] <Rhos_> I have it opened in VM ware.
[16:06] <k1l_> MoonLove: no message means no error
[16:06] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, ok  reboot ..no output means the driver loaded properly
[16:06] <ssalenik> Rhos_: ok, well, try running the man command on something and see which page gives you an example
[16:07] <echo-kilo-sierra> Hello. Neither xev nor xbindkeys -k is detecting the power button on my laptop (macbookpro11,2) -- anyone know how to prevent this button from doing anything?
[16:07] <Rhos_> I tried googling it
[16:07] <Lucax> is there other good basic linux channels on irc that doesnt require invite, #linux require invite it seems
[16:08] <Rhos_> but it's giving me a articles with 4,000 lines of text about what it means, and I don't want to read all of it for a simple question
[16:08] <k1l_> Lucax: its ##linux
[16:08] <Rhos_> Which of the following man page sections will provide an example of how the command is executed?
[16:09] <k1l_> Rhos_: thats cheating. go and learn something or drop that homework.
[16:09] <Rhos_> Which of the following man page sections will provide an example of how the command is executed?
[16:10] <Rhos_> Meh
[16:10] <Rhos_> not enough time to learn it
[16:10] <echo-kilo-sierra> Rhos_: just try it out
[16:10] <ssalenik> RileyC: isn't IO scheduling done by the kernel? The kernel would have changed between ubuntu versions.
[16:11] <Lucax> Maybe I can ask here: I need to watch youtube but now it seems that with flash doesnt support firefox for linux, then I see that people suggest chromium, what should I do? try to fix the problem with firefox or go for chrome or chromium?
[16:11] <Rhos_> I am looking for the awnser
[16:11] <Zequal> How does a LiveDVD handle kernel modules (drivers) differently than a tradditional install?
[16:11] <RileyC> ssalenik: Yes that's what we think may have happened, but we can't be sure.
[16:11] <MoltenSlag> Rhos_ try using ctrl+f on the webpage if it's too long for you
[16:12] <RileyC> http://pastebin.com/spPpYa12  summary of our tests.  It's really strange.
[16:12] <l7en> hello
[16:12] <l7en> i want to learn linux plz
[16:12] <BluesKaj_> Lucax, my experience so far indicates chrome as the best choice... not my but at least it's version of flash works on most sites
[16:12] <BluesKaj_> not my fav
[16:13] <Lucax> regular chrome or chromium=
[16:13] <BluesKaj_> regular chrome
[16:13] <Lucax> ok, then regular chrome it is
[16:13] <Lucax> thanks
[16:13] <l7en> i want to program download in linux plz
[16:14] <ssalenik> RileyC: yeah, I mean, I don't know much about this stuff, I must meant that maybe you would have more luck asking on a channel related to the kernel or something, because its likely not purely related to Ubuntu... unless you don't have this issue on other distros running the same kernel
[16:14] <k1l_> Lucax: what linux are you on? that answer is dependend on the distribution of the packages
[16:15] <Lucax> I am on ubuntu 14.04
[16:15] <Lucax> unity
[16:16] <Rhos_> what is this mean
[16:16] <Rhos_> The syntax [-u|--utc|--universal] means:
[16:16] <lh_> my linux mint don't have the flash problem
[16:16] <k1l_> Lucax: google provides an ongoing support for flash with their pepperflash.
[16:16] <k1l_> lh_: mint is not the topic in here.
[16:17] <rberg_> Rhos_: that is a OR, it means you can pick one.
[16:17] <Lucax> and pepperflash is for firefox right?
[16:17] <Lucax> or for any browser?
[16:17] <k1l_> Lucax: and iirc that can be used in firefox, too.
[16:17] <BluesKaj_> it's for chromium
[16:17] <Chuck_Norris> Rhos_: universal time clock
[16:17] <lh_> but mint is ubuntu series
[16:17] <k1l_> lh_: no its not.
[16:18] <Lucax> what is IIRC (other than Internet slang)
[16:18] <k1l_> Lucax: if i recall correct
[16:18] <RileyC> ssalenik: Thanks!
[16:19] <Lucax> Ok I get it, you mean Pepper is for both firefox and chromium then
[16:19] <lh_> come on,linux mint can use ubuntu's repo
[16:20] <k1l_> Lucax: its from google chrome but iirc it can be used for firefox, too.
[16:20] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ after restart no sound
[16:20] <MoonLove> !!
[16:20] <Lucax> and you just download and install it from the software center and that's it?
[16:21] <Lucax> ready to go?
[16:21] <MoonLove> please help i have the chip envy24 , and I can me it sound :)
[16:21] <Chuck_Norris> Lucax: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9492325/
[16:21] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, make sure alsamixer volume ctrls are tuned to at least 80% and that the automute and mutes are diasabled, (MM) means muted
[16:22] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ it is all OK. the problem is I have dummy output shown in soundsettings
[16:24] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, ok so you hjave sound now ?
[16:25] <balazs> anyone experience with PCie USB3 cards ? do they "just work" ?
[16:25] <Lucax> thanks chuck norris, what is the PPA?
[16:25] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ no , i don't have sound !
[16:26] <Chuck_Norris> Lucax: https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/ubuntu/webupd8
[16:26] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ the controls are OK, but I don't have sound
[16:28] <nomadist> hi
[16:28] <nomadist> hi
[16:28] <nomadist> I just created a 14.04 vps to run a crawler ..
[16:28] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, change your output from dummy to analog if possible
[16:28] <nomadist> would need a little help
[16:28] <nomadist> when I do pwd I see /root
[16:29] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ it;s not possible
[16:29] <nomadist> no user directory (like home/) or the root directory like /var /lib etc
[16:29] <nomadist> where should I create a directory for running my script?
[16:29] <nomadist> in root?
[16:32] <hjdfdu> can i have gui bootscreen in 14.10?
[16:33] <southside> HDD fail last night so I slapped in a spare 250Gb and did a fresh 14.04 64bit Net install   - all good except chrome keeps segfaulting - reinstalled samre thing - pointed to an old version I had in /opt -still fails    see paste at http://paste.ubuntu.com/9552005/
[16:34] <southside> Any hints welcome...
[16:35] <MoonLove> no sound, please help !
[16:36] <southside> MoonLove: tell us more
[16:36] <fisa> hello everyone. I have a tricky question: is there a way to configure color depth for a display, without creating a xorg.conf? (like choosing the resolution in the settings)
[16:36] <ikonia> southside: where/how did you install chrome
[16:37] <Eduard_Munteanu> fisa, you can create a file under xorg.conf.d containing only the relevant section
[16:37] <MoonLove> southside in soun setting i have dummy output, i have the chip envy24
[16:37] <southside> ikonia: from a netbootin USBstick - I choose the 64bit Netinstall
[16:37] <ikonia> southside: that doesn't install chrome
[16:38] <ikonia> southside: where/how did you install chrome
[16:38] <MoonLove> my soundcard drivers are not loaded
[16:38] <southside> MoonLove: I had similar last week  - I had to reinstall last night and now sound is back - there is a fair bit that is googleable but nothing that worked for me
[16:38] <Lucax> could anyone assist me on the command chuck norris gave me? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9492325/
[16:38] <ikonia> Lucax: what is the problem with (please be aware of the risks of the software you are installing)
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[16:38] <MoonLove> i m on my first installation yesterday
[16:39] <fisa> Eduard_Munteanu: ok, I'll try that, some extra info/question to be sure: my main problem is that I routinely change between just the laptop display, laptop+extra screen, and laptop + projector. And to make everything worse: the laptop has nvida optimus. Will I need to create different config files for each setup and cycle between them?
[16:39] <tnkhanh> I am running the command "locate" lately
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> Lucax: whats up with it?
[16:39] <tnkhanh> it search so fast I feel like maaagic
[16:39] <southside> ikonia: sorry    I did downloded the 64-bit deb from Google
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: because you are searching a text file.....
[16:40] <ikonia> southside so they are who you need to log the bug again
[16:40] <fisa> tnkhanh: do you know grep? it will change your life :)
[16:40] <Lucax> actually not much but a few errors
[16:40] <tnkhanh> ActionParsnip: but the search in GUI is very VERY slow
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: the file doesnt live update though, so you need to run:  sudo updatedb    to get the present state of files on the system
[16:41] <southside> ikonia: I have a simlar problem with an old install on my /opt partition  - I did not reformat my /opt - it is a seperate LVM partition anyway
[16:41] <ikonia> southside right, so again google - bug report
[16:41] <Lucax> how to run as root?
[16:41] <southside> ikonia: OK thanks
[16:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> fisa, you could use xrandr to configure it at runtime
[16:42] <tnkhanh> ActionParsnip: fisa: I mean "locate" is astronomically faster than the search in GUI. I can't even imagine :o
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: I know, I use locate too, kicks ass
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: but if there are NEW files made and updatedb has not been ran after they were made, locate will not see them
[16:42] <fisa> Eduard_Munteanu: oh! didn't know xrandr, will explore that. Thanks!
[16:43] <southside> I have updatedb as a cron job every 4 hours
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> southside: nice :)
[16:43] <lh_> ls
[16:43] <fisa> tnkhanh: grep does text search incredibly fast, searching in the contents of the files
[16:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> fisa, that, or nvidia-settings if using the NVIDIA proprietary drivers.
[16:44] <lh_> quit
[16:44] <tnkhanh> fisa: wow amazing, must try :D
[16:44] <fisa> Eduard_Munteanu: I'm using bumblebee, which I believe installs something from nvidia, but I'm not sure. I don't know a lot about graphics configs, and optimus complicates everything an order of magnitude more
[16:45] <tnkhanh> ActionParsnip: my updatedb runs very fast too. Makes it even more amazing --'
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: yeah SSDs or a fast RAID array does that :)
[16:46] <MoonLove> please help no sound !
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: I gave you a command !
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: I am waiting for your output.....
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: why ask for help, then not reply to responses?
[16:48] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip   can u tell me again the command because i was in rebbot
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> [16:37] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[16:49] <Lucax> This is good! now with pepper I can run flash in firefox and I can go on with my life, thanks to Chuck Norris
[16:50] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip how can I copy the output its on a file
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: run the command as one big command in terminal
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: use cursors to select options and ENTER to select
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: you will get a URL after the command runs, what is it?
[16:51] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip   http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=13ad9b68ed67caa23a05904258cb7972170c3d48
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: pretty neat huh
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: does the system have a make and model, or is it a home build ?
[16:52] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip its on my home computer
[16:52] <EriC^^> MoonLove: hp dell ..?
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: as EriC^^ says....
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: we know its your computer but is it a Dell? or an HP? or...did you build it yourself?
[16:54] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip self build I believe
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: weird answer but..ok
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: try:    killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse* ~/.config/pulse*
[16:55] <joespeakeasy> I'm new to tar. I'm picked up a lot off the man page, but I've hit a hurdle. When I'm adding data to an archive… how would I define assign a prefix to the path within the archive?
[16:55] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip so a file do not exist
[16:55] <joespeakeasy> like if I add foo.txt, I want it to be archived in /this/that/foo.txt
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: one of them will. Now try some sounds
[16:57] <l0rdn1x> hey ActionParsnip, you like own launchpad with points ;)
[16:57] <Bobblin> http://dpaste.com/0Y5WZSG  http://dpaste.com/3FS3S0X trying to get my onoboard nic to cooperate not having any luck so far
[16:58] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip which sounds?
[16:58] <Bobblin> I have pretty much exhausted everything on google I have tried everything from grub flags to disabling ACPI To manually compiling the driver my self hell I even did a full format
[16:58] <BluesKaj_> ActionParsnip, I think the driver for his chip is the snd_ice1712 ..I have a similar m-audio card with ice1724
[17:00] <tnkhanh> MoonLove: try anything that plays sound and see what happens
[17:01] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip  tnkhanh  its not happen
[17:01] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip  tnkhanh  I have no sound
[17:03] <tnkhanh> MoonLove: do you see the sound icon on your desktop?
[17:04] <ahop> Hi! Can I log as root in ubuntu, to avoid doing sudo all the time?
[17:04] <MoonLove> tnkhanh yes but its shows when I open it dummy output
[17:04] <tnkhanh> ahop: sure. enter "sudo su"
[17:04] <EriC^^> ahop: if you must, use sudo -i
[17:05] <ahop> tnkhanh will I need to do this every time I connect with ssh
[17:05] <ahop> or only once ?
[17:05] <EriC^^> ahop: don't use sudo su
[17:05] <tnkhanh> EriC^^: shit I'm doing bad things all this time xD
[17:05] <Bobblin> its possible
[17:06]  * Bobblin is guilty of removing the password check on sudo
[17:06] <tnkhanh> MoonLove: can I get a screenshot
[17:06] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo modprobe snd_envy24  .. any output ?
[17:06] <ahop> Example: no I always logged as root with SSH on my debian, and never had to "sudo"
[17:06] <ahop> Can I have the same with ubuntu ? ie log as root with SSH ?
[17:07] <EriC^^> tnkhanh: you're doing this around this time of the year too http://xkcd.com/838/
[17:07] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ udo modprobe snd_envy24
[17:07] <MoonLove> [sudo] password for compyuser:
[17:07] <MoonLove> modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_envy24 not found.
[17:07] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo modprobe snd_envy24
[17:08] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ sudo modprobe snd_envy24
[17:08] <MoonLove> [sudo] password for compyuser:
[17:08] <MoonLove> modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_envy24 not found.
[17:08] <BluesKaj_> ok MoonLove
[17:08] <tnkhanh> EriC^^: omg I will be considered naughty
[17:09] <niel> anyone know how to modprobe a i3-2350M so I can manually change the frequency?
[17:09] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo modprobe snd_ice1724  ... any output?
[17:09] <niel> on arch I could but not ubuntu
[17:10] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_   now, sudo mpdprobe snd_ice1724    no output
[17:11] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, that means the driver loaded ...try a reboot
[17:12] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ I tried reboot bu it remains the same : "NO SOUND "
[17:12] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, when did you reboot ?
[17:13] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_    after modprobe snd_ice17XX
[17:14] <ArchZombie> How do I enable old style menu bars?
[17:14] <ArchZombie> I want it to work without the unity plugin.
[17:14] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, snd_ice1724 is a different audio driver than 1712
[17:14] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_   ok I reboot it now again ...........
[17:14] <k1l_> ArchZombie: see unity-tweak-tool
[17:14] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: software center > accessories > classic start men
[17:14] <EriC^^> *menu
[17:15] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: do you mean the global menu?
[17:15] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: settings > appearance > behavior > menus
[17:17]  * Bobblin waits for someone to get to him ..
[17:18] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ again , no sound !!!
[17:19] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, have you tried changing the dummy output to analog
[17:19] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ its no option to do that
[17:19] <ArchZombie> EriC^^, This does not work. I want the old menu bar back.
[17:19] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: what do you mean by old menu bar back?
[17:19] <ArchZombie> Not a local menu, also k1l_ , same thing
[17:20] <ArchZombie> I mean I want it to work the way it's supposed to
[17:20] <ArchZombie> In a bar
[17:20] <ArchZombie> Not in the title bar.
[17:20] <ArchZombie> And not using the unity plugin.
[17:20] <ArchZombie> I want gtk-window-decorator to work.
[17:20] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, the install pavucontrol and it should give you more ouytput options
[17:20] <ArchZombie> I just want it fixed. And my desktop not to be broken.
[17:21] <pmatulis> ArchZombie: bug number?
[17:21] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ I have pavucontrol but there are no the apropriate options to do that, again!!
[17:22] <ArchZombie> I have not posted a bug report.
[17:22] <ArchZombie> It's some config option somewhere I'm sure.
[17:22] <ArchZombie> I just want to know how to fix it.
[17:23] <Dulcin> Anyone from germany here?
[17:23] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ only dummy output :(
[17:23] <trijntje> !de
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: try the large command here in step 1 : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: its all ONE command
[17:24] <k1l_> ArchZombie: if you are just another "i hate unity because no one can work with that" troll, just leave. if you are a user who doesnt want to use unity, why dont you use another desktop?
[17:24] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, try this, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/mudita24/
[17:24] <ArchZombie> I like compiz.
[17:24] <ArchZombie> I just don't like the unity plugin.
[17:24] <ArchZombie> And when I disabled it, the menubars are gone.
[17:25] <k1l_> ArchZombie: so dont use the unity desktop. done
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: you dont have to use it :)
[17:25] <ArchZombie> Everything else is working?
[17:25] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: xfce4 lxde kde bla bla bla bla bla
[17:25] <k1l_> ArchZombie: why are you using the unity desktop?
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> unity isnt a desktop yet ;)
[17:25] <ArchZombie> because I want gnome/compiz
[17:25] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: apt-cache search desktop$
[17:25] <ArchZombie> I just don't want the unity plugin
[17:26] <k1l_> ArchZombie: no. if you would want gnome/compiz you would use the gnome desktop
[17:26] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: then disable it....
[17:26] <k1l_> ArchZombie: since you use unity you want unity, or you are just here for trolling
[17:26] <ArchZombie> I did ActionParsnip , it just isn't working.
[17:26] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: what isnt working?
[17:26] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ mudita24
[17:26] <MoonLove> No ICE1712 cards found
[17:26] <MoonLove> compyuser@compy1:~$
[17:26] <ArchZombie> Look, all I want is fucking menu bars.
[17:27] <ArchZombie> Is this a bug?
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: then install gnome-panel
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: no its user error
[17:27] <k1l_> ArchZombie: use the gnome desktop. and no need for that lanugage.
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: you havent GOT the functionality in the OS to give meu bars yet
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: or install cinnamon (in the default repos)
[17:27] <ArchZombie> What do I install? Gnome-panel is not a menu bar.
[17:27] <ArchZombie> Nor do I want cinnamon.
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> !info gnome-panel
[17:28] <k1l_> ArchZombie: you want the old gnome2 back, right?
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: again, user error
[17:28] <ArchZombie> ActionParsnip, you are not even understanding my question. Please cease responding as either you are a troll or noob.
[17:28] <mete_> Is there anybody who can help me sound problem in 14.04?
[17:29] <ArchZombie> gnome-panel has nothing to do with the menu bar.
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: yeah, noob https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ActionParsnip
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: try again
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: gnome-panel will give a panel at the bottom of the desktop
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: or you can use tint2
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: or even lxpanel if you desire
[17:31] <salvatore> ciao
[17:31] <salvatore> !list
[17:31] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ ??
[17:32] <niel> ok so wonderful apparently ubuntu really doesnt want me to change my cpu frequency
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: not noob at all.
[17:32] <MoonLove> i have no sound with envy24(ice1712) can someone help me !
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: are you missing the bars off the top of your application windows or do you want an easy way to launch applications?
[17:33] <k1l_> ActionParsnip: its done. lets calm down and focus on constructive support again
[17:33] <BluesKaj_> ok MoonLove let's try again with aplay -l  in the terminal ...pastebin th eout pout please
[17:33] <BluesKaj_> oops output
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: did the big command not help?
[17:33] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_  aplay -l
[17:33] <MoonLove> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[17:35] <OerHeks> envy24 > http://askubuntu.com/questions/514112/sound-disappears-in-ubuntu-14-04
[17:37] <MoonLove> OerHeks should I after reboot??
[17:38] <OerHeks> MoonLove, yes, i guess so.
[17:45] <MoonLove> OerHeks nothing happens (with my soun problem)
[17:45] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ no sound !
[17:46] <OerHeks> MoonLove, sorry to hear that :-(
[17:46] <BluesKaj_> OerHeks, his soundcard isn't even listed with aplay -l
[17:47] <MoonLove> OerHeks   A computer without sound is a flying object without the turbines :D)
[17:48] <OerHeks> BluesKaj_, oke, now i wonder if there is windows 8 on that machine, with fastboot enabled?
[17:48] <dts|pokeball> can someone explain why this isnt working? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9552648/
[17:48] <OerHeks> that envy speech dispatch trick worked before
[17:49] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, windows 8 installed with fastboot enabled?
[17:49] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ I have dual boot with windows 7
[17:49] <EriC^^> dts|pokeball: type it without the extra "/billbot" at the end
[17:50] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, cat /proc/asound/modules
[17:50] <dts|pokeball> but the exe i want it to run is billbot
[17:51] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ cat /proc/asound/modules
[17:51] <MoonLove>  1 snd_mpu401
[17:51] <zizou> alut
[17:52] <zizou> salut
[17:52] <zizou> ya des français
[17:52] <zebra111> !fr | zizou
[17:53] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo modprobe snd_mpu401 , reboot
[17:55] <solsTiCe> I just discovered that with pepperflashplugin-nonfree you have to manuallly run sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install each time there is a flash upcate. OMG hat a non friednly way of doing it. first, you need to know that flash has been updated, and second run the command, given that you know that need to run it. wtf ubuntu
[17:56] <EriC^^> solsTiCe: that would have to do with the maintainers
[17:56] <EriC^^> solsTiCe: i'm sure there's a better way though
[17:56] <joespeakeasy> I'm looking for a documentation for tar 1.15.1
[17:56] <joespeakeasy> can anyone point be in the right directoin
[17:56] <joespeakeasy> ?
[17:58] <xangua> solsTiCe: then just install Google chrome
[17:58] <zebra111> joespeakeasy try "man tar" (but it may not be v1.15.1)
[17:58] <solsTiCe> xangua: I don't want chrome
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> in cli?
[17:59] <zebra111> yeah
[17:59] <zebra111> terminal
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> okay… be right back
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> zebra… thanks
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> that's it
[17:59] <zebra111> no problem
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> clearly I'm new
[18:00] <OerHeks>  tar 1.15.1, that is an old verion, latest in Dapper Drake 2006, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=308216
[18:00] <assemblyx> is anyone here running WineHQ with adobe creative cloud by chance?
[18:00] <joespeakeasy> I know. I'm moving a client to a better host.
[18:01] <joespeakeasy> they are on a shared host now
[18:01] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ no sound again !
[18:04] <joespeakeasy> I've been using a current version of tar and using the —transform flag. but now I'm using 1.5.1, which is really outdated. Can anyone point me to docs that outline the same fn
[18:04] <joespeakeasy> prefix?
[18:08] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[18:12] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[18:12] <qwertz_> external hdd fails on attempt to partition (as well as on any other activity). here's the dmesg: http://pastebin.geany.org/M30ws/ what's wrong here?
[18:14] <zizou> fr
[18:15] <MadHatter42> i've got a shitty wireless connection , i can connect through my laptop but not on my phone
[18:15] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[18:15] <MadHatter42> i'm using ubuntu 12.04
[18:15] <fellipe> hi, How to set vga output to be default in ubuntu 12.04 server? Actually the default is HDMI output of video card
[18:16] <MadHatter42> can anyone guide to set up a virtual adapter as a repeater on my laptop so i can connect from my phonew
[18:16] <MadHatter42> ?
[18:17] <zebra111> moonlove what does lsmod | grep snd show?
[18:17] <squinty> MoonLove: aptitude search mudita24     long shot. :P  btw, if your audio card is slotted/desktop might want to try pulling and reseating it again
[18:18] <zebra111> moonlove when you play audio with, lets say rhythm box does it show an error or does it play with no sound?
[18:19] <squinty> MoonLove:   https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/mudita24/   for more details
[18:34] <wasta> hi to all
[18:34] <zebra111> !hello | wasta
[18:34] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> Hello all!
[18:34] <wasta> hello
[18:34] <alias_neo> Hey guys, anyone able to help with an issue connecting to a freeipa server from an Ubuntu 14.10 server install. I can connect fine from server 10.04 and desktop 14.04 but not server 14.10
[18:34] <alias_neo> by connect I mean I can't authenticate/login with a user
[18:36] <wasta> alguien habla español?
[18:36] <zebra111> !spanish | wasta
[18:36] <wasta> thx
[18:37] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> I have a problem that someone may be able to help with.  I have a Z87-plus mobo that I have 2 512 gig samsung 840 SSDs.  I want to do the SSDs in a raid so I set the SATA to RAID and then create a volume by pressing ctrl+i.  Linux see the volume and installs but I think I may have done LVM which is wrong.  What would be the proper procedure so that linux boots and resolves the RAID as a drive?
[18:37] <bastien__> tt
[18:40] <Quitta> Hi, I'm havng a issue with my laptops drivers, I never had problems before and had a driver (shown when I clicked on additional drivers) but since my last reboot my laptop's driver suddenly dissapeared. Also when I click on additional drivers, it doesn't show anything in the list.
[18:40] <Quitta> I'm a total nooby regarding drivers, I was hoping for someone's help :)
[18:41] <squinty> alias_neo:  #ubuntu-server  might be a good choice
[18:41] <zebra111> Quitta what driver was it?
[18:42] <Quitta> zebra111: I totally forgot, it had a weird name ATI or something even different
[18:42] <dts|pokeball> can someone suggest a good sandbox for me to use for running programs?
[18:42] <EriC^^> dts|pokeball: virtualbox maybe?
[18:42] <zebra111> How did you install it quitta?
[18:42] <xxtrinit1xx> just installed the light verisino
[18:42] <dts|pokeball> EriC^^, i was kind of hoping to run it locally
[18:43] <dts|pokeball> and not on another os
[18:43] <wasta> dts|pokeball or vmware
[18:43] <ahop> I installed a fresh 14.04 LTS
[18:43] <EriC^^> dts|pokeball: why?
[18:43] <Quitta> zebra111: ATI Mobility RADEON HD 3670 is the graphics for my laptop: http://www.linlap.com/dell_studio_xps_16
[18:43] <ahop> in which config file should I do the <VirtualHost :80> etc. ?
[18:43] <Quitta> to be honest I forgot how I installed it, it has been a year or so
[18:44] <dts|pokeball> EriC^^, cause its just for a simple eval bot
[18:44] <ahop> Should I do these things (<VirtualHost :80> ...)   in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf   or /etc/apache2/sites-enables/* ?
[18:44] <Quitta> I believe it installed itself when I opened 'Additional drivers' in the system settings
[18:45] <zebra111> Quitta try loading the driver again and see if it removes itsself when you reboot
[18:45] <Quitta> I'm really confused how it is suddenly removed from my system.
[18:45] <Quitta> How can I load a driver (a)
[18:45] <zebra111> How did you load it the first time quitta?
[18:46] <Quitta> Like I said, I believe I ust opened the 'Additional Drivers' application from the system settings panel.
[18:46] <Quitta> But I can be wrong, since it's been a year or so, and Im a total noob in this field :)
[18:46] <zebra111> quitta oh
[18:46] <zebra111> not sure
[18:48] <wasta> Quitta, maybe you upgrade your system?
[18:52] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[18:54] <Quitta> zebra111: Well I believe it all happened since I did a apt-get update yesterday evening (first in months)
[18:55] <Quitta> and it's output is the following: http://pastebin.com/pPM48jDR
[18:55] <Quitta> zebra111: I believe those are related to my driver, but I have no idea if it's the cause
[18:56] <YamakasY> any partman pro's in here ?
[18:57] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[18:58] <Quitta> techsuperfreak: any idea if the duplicate entries in my apt-get update could be a cause
[18:58] <oussama> I want to download a software to create a web page in html or php
[18:59] <techsuperfreak> Not sure, you can try removing both packages and reinstalling them
[19:00] <xxtrinit1xx> is there anyway that i could use metasploit anonymously
[19:01] <xxtrinit1xx> or will i always be vulnerable to a trace?
[19:01] <xxtrinit1xx> im on xubuntu right now aswell
[19:01] <SchrodingersScat> !ot
[19:03] <oussama> I want to download a software to create a web page in html or php
[19:03] <jhutchins> oussama: vi
[19:04] <Quitta> techsuperfreak: lspci -nn | grep VGA outputs: VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV730/M96-XT [Mobility Radeon HD 4670]
[19:04] <Quitta> Which is already a good sign, I guess
[19:04] <Quitta> but does that mean it's already installed?
[19:04] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, it appears so
[19:05] <Quitta> but nothing shows up in my 'Additional Drivers' and my laptop is having graphics problems :D
[19:05] <Quitta> Also it says Driver Unknown in Details->Graphics
[19:06] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, try removing the driver packages and reinstall them
[19:06] <Quitta> removing them is explained in 'Removing the proprietary fglrx driver'?
[19:06] <jhutchins> oussama: http://linuxreviews.org/webdesign/01a_A_Web_Design_Guide_For_Beginners-CMS_guide/
[19:06] <oussama> vi
[19:07] <Quitta> but I don't see any step for installing it again : techsuperfreak
[19:07] <shifuimam> anyone in here use ChrUbuntu on a chromebook?
[19:07] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, what are the package names?
[19:08] <Quitta> to be honest I don't know :$ I don't even know what package you refer too. I'm totally new to drivers and never had issues with it before
[19:08] <OerHeks> Quitta, ati 2xxx/3xxx/4xxx are no longer supported by the ati driver, use the standard one, see !ati
[19:08] <OerHeks> !ati
[19:09] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, what OerHeks said
[19:09] <rickabillie> is there an inhibit app or button that I can use on unity like I use on Gnome (power inhibit app)
[19:10] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, try this to see if your soundcard is even recognized, lspci | grep -i audio
[19:10] <jhutchins> rickabillie: What are you trying to do?
[19:11] <Quitta> OerHeks: how do I see which version of ATI is installed, to see if its no longer supported?
[19:11] <OerHeks> Quitta, you pasted: lspci -nn | grep VGA outputs: VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV730/M96-XT [Mobility Radeon HD 4670]
[19:11] <rickabillie> keep the computer from sleeping temporarily
[19:12] <Quitta> aha it refers to the 4670?
[19:14] <Quitta> OerHeks: Do you believe step: 'Installing from command line' in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD would do the trick? :)
[19:14] <rickabillie> jhutchins: keep my computer from sleeping, temporarily.
[19:16] <jhutchins> rickabillie: I believe it's in the settings menu under power management, but I don't have a unity box at hand right now.
[19:16] <jhutchins> rickabillie: Sometimes that's controlled by the BIOS.
[19:17] <YamakasY> guys no partman users with preseed ?
[19:17] <MDTech-us_MAN> hello
[19:18] <element> hey
[19:19] <MDTech-us_MAN> I forgot
[19:19] <MDTech-us_MAN> can you put pre-up on a dhcp interface?
[19:22] <proq> I'm trying to install ubuntu 12.10 server via a CD I burned.  when it tries to read the debconf file it sits for 10 minutes and then says it can't read it.  md5sum of the image does match what is on the ubuntu server.  I burned two CDs with ubuntu's cdrecord and I get the same problem each time.  how can I get around this?
[19:22] <proq> sorry.  14.10
[19:22] <proq> I get other errors if I use ubuntu disk creator to make a usb disk from the image.  it won't even boot from the USB stick
[19:23] <alexsander> sera a tutti
[19:23] <alexsander> !list
[19:23] <rickabillie> jhutchins: Yea, I know I can do that, I was hoping for a toggle that sits somewhere Where I cold toggle occasionally to keep from sleeping.
[19:25] <proq> nevermind, it is finally working
[19:26] <OerHeks> Quitta, ati 2xxx/3xxx/4xxx are no longer supported by the ati driver, use the standard one
[19:28] <pulpedwriter> Hi, I'm trying to make a live USB stick for 14.10 on a windows 8 box. I got the iso, ran the Universal Boot Installer, and when I go to restart, it just boots back to Windows. Checked boot order (USB first) and disabled quick start, now I'm lost as to what to try next
[19:29] <guts> I'm trying to stream Pandora to a device that does not support the native or HTML5 site and was trying to think of a way to pipe the stream to a local webpage or something basic for the device. I've heard of Pithos and Piano bar, but can't think of a way to get it on a webpage. Any ideas?
[19:31] <MDTech-us_MAN> can you put pre-up on a dhcp interface? in /etc/network/interfaces.d
[19:36] <jmadero> how can I find out my DNS server address?
[19:37] <jesus_> segura oyosa
[19:43] <savasa> 6697
[19:45] <proq> can someone point me to the best guide to installing a gnome desktop environment on ubuntu server 14.10?
[19:46] <Tobias[L]> proq: please ask this in #ubuntu-server. also why would one want this?
[19:47] <etzerd> hello all
[19:47] <etzerd> ?
[19:51] <proq> Tobias[L]: several obvious reasons
[19:52] <Quitta> techsuperfreak: Didn't you say that driver for 4xxx wasn't supported anymore? But http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=Legacy2&os=Linux%20x86_64 seems to be the result if I fill in my Graphics card in the amd website
[19:54] <proq> Tobias[L]: first reason being ubuntu desktop won't fit on my CD and I am out of DVDs
[19:55] <proq> Tobias[L]: second being I like gnome much better than unity
[19:56] <proq> and for some reason my hardware won't recognize my 16GB usb sticks and ubuntu desktop won't fit on my 1GB usb stick either
[19:56] <bubbasaures> proq, Ever do a net install mini?
[19:57] <proq> bubbasaures: no
[19:57] <bubbasaures> iso is 37mb
[19:57] <dasjoe> Doing a netinstall works very well
[19:57] <dasjoe> Also, if you start it using the expert mode it'll ask you about packages to install via tasksel, where you can select "GNOME desktop"
[19:59] <proq> in any case, gnome desktop is installing now
[19:59] <bubbasaures> proq, The gnome shell?
[19:59] <proq> no, the whole thing
[20:00] <bubbasaures> proq, The gnome shell is the gnome 3 desktop, yes it installs the base gnome 3 which underlies several desktops.
[20:00] <proq> if ubuntu-gnome-desktop is gnome 3 then yes
[20:01] <bubbasaures> proq, the ubuntu desktop is unity not the gnome 3 desktop
[20:01] <syntroPi> when mounting a webdav in nautilus on 14.04 the WHOLE system has micro freezes every two swconds!? what am i doing wrong?
[20:01] <dasjoe> bubbasaures: I showed him how to use tasksel to install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[20:01] <proq> bubbasaures: really?  that's just Evil
[20:04] <dasjoe> proq: no, not evil. ubuntu-gnome-desktop is a tasksel task, which installs various packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9553698/
[20:04] <syntroPi> quite often on 14.04 nautilus crashes all together when trying to mount ssh or davs remoute ressources. Is this a known bug and nautilus broken ?
[20:04] <proq> bubbasaures: so do I really want apt-get install gnome-shell?
[20:05] <bubbasaures> proq, Honestly you have made little sense and are just emotion charged and have no idea what your doing, not the best scenario. ;)
[20:05] <dasjoe> proq: no, I told you the precise command you need to get the full ubuntu gnome desktop environment :)
[20:06] <dasjoe> precise as in exact, not as in release name
[20:07] <proq> bubbasaures: really?  I've installed gnome over ubuntu server before
[20:07] <proq> bubbasaures: however, the last time I did it it wasn't unity masquerading as gnome
[20:08] <proq> bubbasaures: as far as emotion goes, you're pretty pompous if you think you can detect emotion over text chat
[20:08] <Rosie23>  High Quality photos and videos http://bit.do/my_videos69
[20:16] <hemlis> guys how much do you charge for installation of Ubuntu ?
[20:16] <hemlis> in USD ?
[20:17] <dasjoe> You can download it for free, it's also open source software
[20:17] <teward> hemlis: I think you're in the wrong channel.  Ubuntu as an OS is free, the ones who actually install it are your technicians or system manufacturers, they may charge a fee or have a variant with their drivers loaded
[20:17] <teward> hemlis: ubuntu on its own is free, no charge, you just have to do the installation yourself
[20:17] <teward> (we don't install it for you)
[20:17] <hemlis> teward: but if you would install it on my system, how much would you charge ?
[20:18] <OerHeks> hemlis, find a loco-team and they are happy to help for free, if you cannot find help here online.
[20:18] <imbezol> including travel costs?
[20:18] <teward> hemlis: I don't do installations for people.  That question and that discussion are offtopic here
[20:18] <teward> !offtopic | hemlis
[20:18] <hemlis> ok
[20:18] <hemlis> imbezol: no
[20:18] <teward> hemlis: i also only install for friends ;P
[20:18] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[20:18] <hemlis> teward: ok
[20:18] <Jordan_U> hemlis: If you bring your computer to a local Linux Users Group they will likely help you install Ubuntu on it for free.
[20:18] <teward> what Jordan_U said :)
[20:19] <hailwood> Hey guys, Running 14.10 here. Keyboard had a spaz a couple of days ago and so I closed the "Login Keyring Unlock" prompt several times. After restarting I can no longer manage networks, shutdown the system (from gui), or use any of the "unlock" buttons in system settings. Any idea how to fix?
[20:20] <hailwood> I tried creating a brand new user - they have the same issue.
[20:21] <hailwood> It sounds exactly like this error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1377727
[20:21] <marjinal1st> How can I disable my touchpad system wide in Ubuntu 14.04? I want it not to work even in the login screen. (Currently trying to disable with "xinput set-prop 13 "Device Enabled" 0")
[20:23] <dasjoe> marjinal1st: blacklist its kernel module, if possible?
[20:23] <marjinal1st> dasjoe: How do I do that? Can you point me to some tutorial?
[20:24] <palecrow> d
[20:28] <YamakasY> which channel do I need for partman help ?
[20:31] <dasjoe> marjinal1st: well, I suggest looking at "lsmod" output, then find out which of the listed modules is your touchpad's driver. "modinfo module-name-here" helps
[20:31] <tonyt> can someone point me in the right direction. im on ubuntu 14.04 mate. im trying to install the nvidia driver. i need to drop down to a command prompt but when i do ctrl+alt+f1 all get to is a blank screen
[20:35] <Loshki> tonyt: what about the other screens? ctrl-alt-f2 thru f6. All blank?
[20:35] <squinty> tonyt:  nvidia drivers are available through the Additional Drivers  (Software and Updates)  recommended method is to install from there
[20:35] <tonyt> k ill try some of those other f keys
[20:36] <Loshki> also, what squinty said...
[20:38] <pakino> Ciao a tutti :)
[20:38] <pakino> !list
[20:45] <predmijat> hi, i'm trying to help a friend to play dvds on asus eee laptop, running 10.04. some dvds work, but some don't. every google query brings me to "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh" which gives an error about medibuntu. ideas?
[20:46] <Jordan_U> predmijat: Are there any commercial DVDs (holywood MPAA movies) that do work?
[20:46] <squinty> predmijat:  the medibuntu reposity is dead and no longer viable for accessing.
[20:47] <predmijat> Jordan_U, i'm not sure... squinty yes i know, that's why i ask :)
[20:48] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[20:50] <Jordan_U> predmijat: Desktop support for Ubuntu 10.04 has ended. Your friend (if for nothing else than security reasons) needs to upgrade to at least Ubuntu 12.04.
[20:51] <predmijat> Jordan_U, fair enough
[20:51] <Guest85345> I seem to remember that there was a way to test the full Unity-Next environment using LXC or something like that
[20:51] <Guest85345> Anyone know of anything like that?
[20:52] <Jordan_U> predmijat: Note that they can upgrade directly from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 as both are LTS releases.
[20:52] <Guest85345> Ahah, found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[20:52] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | predmijat
[20:52] <Ntemis> hey guys
[20:52] <predmijat> Jordan_U, thanks!
[20:52] <Ntemis> i need some help with java
[20:52] <Jordan_U> predmijat: You're welcome :)
[20:52] <Ntemis> issuing a  sudo update-alternatives --config java
[20:53] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[20:53] <Ntemis> and selecting /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[20:53] <Ntemis> but still build fails with
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest85345: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/unity-8-desktop-preview-session-14-04
[20:53] <Ntemis> Your version is: javac 1.8.0_25.
[20:53] <Ntemis> The correct version is: 1.6 or 1.7.
[20:53] <Ntemis> any help?
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> Ntemis: webupd8 has a PPA for Oracle Java
[20:54] <Ntemis> yes thats the one i have and i dont want it to be selected
[20:54] <Ntemis> trying to build android fails
[20:55] <Ntemis> ActionParsnip: /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin/java
[20:55] <Ntemis> vs
[20:55] <Ntemis> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[20:55] <Ntemis> any help
[20:56] <Ntemis> You are attempting to build with an unsupported version of java.
[20:56] <Ntemis> really?
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> Ntemis: http://askubuntu.com/questions/315646/update-java-alternatives-vs-update-alternatives-config-java
[20:58] <mikhail_> hello
[20:59] <ara_> so i gave up trying to get cdemu-tray to work on trusty, is there a way to make gcdemu to automount isos on startup?
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> ara_: do you want to boot the ISO from Grub?
[21:00] <EriC^^> ara_: does it need suo?
[21:00] <EriC^^> *sudo
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> ara_: mounty can mount ISOs
[21:00] <Ntemis> ActionParsnip: same issue
[21:00] <mikhail_> i've got a question to make
[21:02] <ara_> ActionParsnip, EriC^^ , gcdemu has no option to automount, cdemu-tray has, but i can't get it to see cdemu-daemon for some reason. couldn't even install latest package of -tray, trusty doesn't like them, only the first version got installed, building it from source proved not easy either.
[21:02] <casestudy> hello guys
[21:03] <Ntemis> looks like oracle-java8-set-default package is the one that is causing me issues
[21:03] <mikhail_> does anyone know why qbittorrent doesn't work properly on ubuntu?
[21:05] <ara_> ActionParsnip, EriC^^ for ex, which is config file for cdemu-daemon? Google don't give any answer either.
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> ara_: have you tried mounty?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> ara_: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[21:16] <ara_> ActionParsnip, trying to install it now, but it doesn't exist on omgubuntu for trusty
[21:16] <ara_> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> ara_: what does omgubuntu have to do with it?
[21:16] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[21:18] <navad> hi, i had a quick question. I've got a svn repo installed on a amazon micro instance running ubuntu. i've generated a ppk (putty key) from the pem key that i got from amazon. I can connect and check out fine using svn+ssh://ubuntu@amazoninfo
[21:19] <navad> i created username and password in svn conf but from what i understand i can only ssh into the amazon instance with the ubuntu account
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> ara_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountIso
[21:19] <navad> what must i do so i can have another user have svn+ssh access to the server and repo?
[21:21] <Jordan_U> ara_: What is your end goal?
[21:22] <ara_> Jordan_U, i want to mount 2 iso's and they should get the same device id each time, so wine can map them to the same fake windows drive
[21:23] <ara_> some windows games search for the cd drive letter on which they were installed on
[21:24] <dlam> hmm how do i make Alt+backspace delete the previous word like Ctrl+W on desktop apps?
[21:25] <ara_> s/on/from/
[21:26] <Jordan_U> ara_: If you're really talking just about mounting the iso (rather than having it emulate a physical CD), then just mounting via fstab should get you the contents reliably mounted to the same directory, then you can configure wine to treat those directories as specific virtual drive letters.
[21:26] <ara_> guess i'll just use fstab
[21:27] <ara_> Jordan_U, yeah, i wanted to do it with a gui
[21:28] <peppermint> hi to all
[21:28] <peppermint> im.. new here
[21:30] <navad> any tips? i suppose i create a ubuntu user, then i put the public key i generated in .ssh? then a matching user in svn conf?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> navad: sounds like it's worth a punt. Just backup any files before you make changes
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> ara_: or, just use the mount commaand, or do you always want the iso mounted each boot?
[21:36] <joespeakeasy> if I have a 5.4 gb .tar, is there any other way to compress it further?
[21:36] <pepe> hi
[21:37] <navad> ActionParsnip: i'm still confused. if i create a new user in ubuntu then connecting to svn+ssh://newuser@amazonaws.com should work?
[21:37] <pepe> yes
[21:37] <joespeakeasy> tar.gz?
[21:37] <ara_> ActionParsnip, that would be the idea, automount them, so i don't have to do it manually everytime.
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> joespeakeasy: yes, tar is not compressed at all
[21:38] <rberg_> joespeakeasy: yeah you have many options for a compressor, the common ones starting from best compression, xz, bz2, gz
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> navad: yes
[21:38] <joespeakeasy> okay great thanks.
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> cat filename.tar | gzip -9 > output.tar.gz ;-)
[21:45] <Griz64> Hey Gang. I just updated/upgraded a laptop to the current LTS and now I'm unable to get the wifi to connect (yes, it's seen and will scan) nor will any GUI start from gdm. At this moment i am unable to plug directly into the router so is there any way to get a connection?
[21:48] <Griz64> "Failed to add/activate connection  (32) Insufficient privileges."
[21:51] <RB2> Hey guys, I just updated the kernel on Ubuntu 14.10 and I'm seeing
[21:51] <RB2> [450533.640533] Request for unknown module key 'Magrathea: Glacier signing key: af30e7f37b41301c96f985f4789da5f4373e9e92' err -11
[21:51] <RB2> [450533.640575] libcrc32c: module verification failed: signature and/or  required key missing - tainting kernel
[21:56] <navad> ActionParsnip: didn't work, server refused key
[21:58] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[21:59] <Jordan_U> MoonLove: Try giving more details about the exact problem you're having.
[22:00] <jhutchins> MoonLove: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[22:00] <mlindner> When is ubuntu getting gcc 4.9??
[22:00] <jhutchins> MoonLove: Did you run through the alsa checklist?  I know someone showed it to you.
[22:01] <MoonLove> Jordan_ U  please help no sound with envy24(ice1712), settings show dummy output
[22:01] <jhutchins> MoonLove: 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again)  2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available)  3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?  4) speakers on?  5)
[22:01] <jhutchins>              does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist.
[22:02] <jhutchins> MoonLove: Did aplay -l show any devices?
[22:02] <MoonLove> jhutchins no it dont play any wav
[22:02] <jhutchins> MoonLove: does lspci -nn identify the sound device correctly?
[22:03] <MoonLove> jhutchins aplay -l display no devices
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> !info gcc utopic
[22:04] <MoonLove> jhutchins    Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller [1412:1724] (rev 01)
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> !info gcc vivid
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> mlindner: its in vivid (Ubuntu 15.04 which is prerelease)
[22:04] <jhutchins> MoonLove: I believe that means it has the correct driver loaded.
[22:04] <mlindner> ActionParsnip: what about 14.04
[22:05] <mlindner> ActionParsnip: its LTS right? so it should get it eventually?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> mlindner: if you report a bug and the bug amd security fixes are significant then it will be updated
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> mlindner: if it is deemed necessary, yes
[22:06] <jhutchins> MoonLove: Does lsmod show snd-ice1724 loaded?
[22:06] <MoonLove> jhutchins  lspci -nn displays the driver?
[22:06] <jhutchins> MoonLove: No, the fact that it displays the correct description usually means it knows what to load and has loaded it.
[22:07] <jhutchins> MoonLove: dmesg | less, search for where it tries to load it.
[22:07] <MoonLove> jhutchins   lsmod  shows   Module                  Size  Used by
[22:07] <MoonLove> joydev                 17101  0
[22:07] <MoonLove> hid_logitech           22181  0
[22:07] <MoonLove> ff_memless             13325  1 hid_logitech
[22:07] <MoonLove> hid_logitech_dj        18165  0
[22:07] <MoonLove> hid_generic            12492  0
[22:07] <unopaste> MoonLove you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[22:08] <jhutchins> !paste
[22:08] <jhutchins> MoonLove: The point is for YOU to look through the list and see if snd-ice1724 is loaded.
[22:08] <kleiber> hello all
[22:08] <Griz64> Hey Gang. I just updated/upgraded a laptop to the current LTS and now I'm unable to get the wifi to connect (yes, it's seen and will scan) nor will any GUI start from gdm. At this moment i am unable to plug directly into the router so is there any way to get a connection?
[22:08] <Griz64> "Failed to add/activate connection  (32) Insufficient privileges."
[22:09] <ikonia> Griz64: how did you upgrade ?
[22:09] <Xsn00py> hi, i'm having problems with low resolution on intel optiplex 755. I've installed the intel drivers, used xconf, used xrandr, etc, but still nothing. Any ideas???
[22:09] <kleiber> Dear friends, that Ubuntu can install good. Ubuntu 14.04 LTS or Ubuntu 14.10
[22:09] <ikonia> kleiber: look at the difference and see which one fits your needs best
[22:10] <MoonLove> jhutchins lon list i do not see it its difficult to find it
[22:10] <Griz64> ikonia, yes.
[22:10] <Griz64> to the lastest LTS
[22:10] <ikonia> Griz64: how did you upgrade, the answer is not "yes"
[22:10] <k1l_> kleiber: do you want to /can upgrade ubuntu all 6 months?
[22:11] <Griz64> ikonia, apologies. misread. via the upgrade the system offered. from within the o/S.
[22:11] <kleiber> where I can see the differences of both
[22:11] <MoonLove> jhutchins very long list i do not see it its difficult to find it
[22:11] <ikonia> Griz64: from what version ?
[22:11] <kleiber> 14.04 LTS or 14.10
 kleiber: do you want to /can upgrade ubuntu all 6 months?
[22:12] <kleiber> with 14.10 kll
[22:12] <Griz64> ikonia, to the latest LTS as far as i know)
[22:13] <k1l_> kleiber: if you install 14.10 you have to upgrade all 6 months.
[22:13] <ikonia> Griz64: I'm going to stop now, as you appear to not be reading my questions and responding with different answer
[22:13] <MoonLove> jhutchins i have dummy output
[22:13] <kleiber> I found on a website. that said that LTS had support for up to five years, whereas the 1410 only 6 months
[22:13] <Xsn00py> Can any one help with graphics problem on 14.04??? Low resolution issues
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: what gpu?
[22:13] <k1l_> kleiber: if you install 14.04 you have 5 years support. so you can wait untill 16.04 and then upgrade 14.04 to 16.04. so if you got wth 14.10 you need to upgrade all 6 months untill 16.04
[22:14] <Xsn00py> intel optiplex 755
[22:14] <Jordan_U> k1l_: s/all 6 months/every 6 months/ :)
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: if you run: lspci | grep -i vga , what is output?
[22:14] <k1l_> Jordan_U: yes :)
[22:14] <kleiber> okey kll
[22:14] <Griz64> ikonia, i apologize again. it's a mad scramble here trying to get this laptop running. my mother has been diagnosed with cancer and is getting ready to board a plane for the Cancer Treatment Center and all hell is breaking loose. I'll come back later when life has slowed down. i can always mail this to her.
[22:14] <kleiber> then install major 14.04 LTS
[22:15] <kleiber> is for one PC new
[22:15] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: Intel Corp 82Q35 (rev 02)
[22:15] <kleiber> with 64 bits or 32 bits
[22:15] <kleiber> kll
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: there is an Intel driver installer. OmgUbuntu has a guide
[22:16] <k1l_> kleiber: when your hardware got 64bits (which 99% of new hardware does) there is no reason for not going 64bit
[22:16] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: I've installed that but it doesn't improve anything
[22:16] <nbougach> Hi
[22:16] <nbougach> how can I have -rw-r--r-- mode with chmod?
[22:16] <kleiber> ok kll
[22:17] <Jordan_U> !permissions | nbougach
[22:17] <kleiber> thx kll
[22:17] <mbalmer> chmod 644 ?
[22:17] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: still stuck on 1920x1080
[22:17] <DarkMat> nbougach, chmod 644
[22:17] <nbougach> tx
[22:17] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: I need 1920x1200, used xrandr but the monitors EDID doesn't accept it
[22:18] <kleiber> kll
[22:18] <kleiber> then install next Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 64 bits, true
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: you dont need it, you would like it...
[22:18] <k1l_> kleiber: yep
[22:18] <kleiber> thx very much great friend
[22:18] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: Please explain?
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: there's a difference
[22:19] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: ?
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: if you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
[22:19] <MoonLove> please help no soun with envy24(ice1724)
[22:19] <Jordan_U> Xsn00py: What makes you think that your monitor supports a resolution of 1920x1200?
[22:19] <MoonLove> cplease help no sound with envy24(ice1724)
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: need = imperative,essential  would like=nice to have,preferred
[22:20] <YamakasY> when I did a tar -pcvzf xxx.tar.gz /opt/foo and I want to untar it in /opt/foo will it do that or do I need to be in the /opt ?
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: what monitor do you have?
[22:20] <welovfree_> How can I install terminal commands (for example the tree command) offline, can I do that?
[22:20] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: would like and prefer not to have a black border
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: you will need the deb and its deps
[22:20] <Jordan_U> !offline | welovfree_
[22:20] <k1l_> MoonLove: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2213743
[22:21] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: HP 2159v
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: yes but its not essential. Its a nice to have. You can see the display and use the system.....
[22:21] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: it works perfectly with my thinkpad - pushes out to 1920x1200
[22:21] <welovfree_> ubottu: acctually I don't have an internet connection
[22:21] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: I like your reasoning
[22:22] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: acctually I don't have an internet connection
[22:22] <MoonLove> kil_ nothing
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: the Xorg.0.log will tell you what is going on. Your screen does do the resolution you stated. is this a new install?
[22:22] <k1l_> MoonLove: did you read the whole thread?
[22:23] <k1l_> MoonLove: it is marked as solved. so there is a solution inside
[22:23] <yuriy_> Hey guys, I have a problem with sound on my monitor connected thru HDMI. I described the issue here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254042 but no one seems to know
[22:23] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: Yes it is
[22:23] <MoonLove> kil_ yes i dont find something important foe me
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: you could try the Xorg edgers PPA, see if it helps
[22:23] <jhutchins> MoonLove: You never said if the module was loaded.
[22:23] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: I'll have a look at that. thanks
[22:23] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: Ubottu's suggestion is for when you don't have an internet connection on the machine you want to install software to, but you do have an internet connection on another (preferably linux based) machine. Is that not the case for you?
[22:24] <k1l_> MoonLove: you read the 4 sites? if you really want to solve your soundcard issue which seems typical for that soundcard, then you would have read carefully
[22:24] <MoonLove> i try
[22:24] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: the log file is stating 'No layout section, no screen section, no monitor specified....'
[22:24] <jhutchins> k1l_: Not a native english speaker.
[22:25] <k1l_> ok
[22:25] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: yeah it's my case but the suggestion is not clear for me can you help
[22:26] <jhutchins> welovfree_: Try doing what the ubottu factoid suggested.
[22:26] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: Sure. Are you familiar with Synaptic package manager? Do you have it installed on the OS that doesn't have an internet connection?
[22:27] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: I am new to the ubuntu world :(
[22:27] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: Thanks for your help.
[22:28] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: What version of Ubuntu is installed on the offline machine? Why can't you connect it to the internet?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: if you run: sudo apt-get update , do you see any errors?
[22:30] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: ubuntu 14.10 as virtual machine in vmware under windows 7
[22:31] <welovfree_> ActionParsnip: yeah but I don't remember
[22:31] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: Why can't you connect it to the internet?
[22:33] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: I can't right now
[22:34] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: Yes, but *why*?
[22:35] <MoonLove> kil_ no solution i only can run alsamixer and select my card, nothing more
[22:36] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: myabe a router problem, the isp of mine told me they will send me help
[22:37] <titanic> can anybody help me
[22:37] <dougiel> titanic, ?
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: check the ethernet canle is correctly connected.
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: can you ping 8.8.8.8?
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> titanic: with what?
[22:38] <titanic>  help me out with invite channel too get a code to an website
[22:38] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24 (snd_ice1724)
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> titanic: you just need to register and identify
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: I suggest you report a bug
[22:39] <titanic> how do I go about that
[22:39] <welovfree_> ActionParsnip: I am not home right now I don't have access to the computer right now, I am using my friends computer to get the package that's why I asked here if I can download it offline, then go and install it in my unbuntu?
[22:39] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: What package are you trying to install?
[22:40] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip>  now i can run alsamixer and select a card
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: you can but you will need all its deps. If you dont have the other packages it needs, and at the right version leel the n it wont install
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: debs arent like apks in Android
[22:40] <titanic> anybody??
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> !register | titanic
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> titanic: try a little patience....jesus!
[22:41] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: what? debs
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: the debs are used to install applications in Ubuntu
[22:43] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: so I can find package then install them?
[22:44] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: What package are you trying to install?
[22:45] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: tree
[22:48] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: You are lucky, that only has one dependency, libc6, which you already have.
[22:49] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: so?
[22:50] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: So you can download the .deb file from http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/tree , copy it to your offline machine, then double click the .deb file to install it.
[22:51] <blizzow> where can I see what flags a package was configured with?
[22:51] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: wow, I don't have to use the terminal? :)
[22:52] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: Correct :)
[22:53] <Jordan_U> blizzow: Grab the source pacakge. "apt-get source packagename" (run as your user, *not* with sudo) will download the source package into the current directory. You can then look at the debian/rules file to see how the package was built.
[22:54] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: and what about other packages having more than one dependency?
[22:55] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: Then you get to have fun grabbing their dependencies, and the dependencies of their dependencies. This is where you really want to first use the offline machine to determine exactly what list of packages you need.
[22:56] <mojtaba> Hi, I want to buy a new laptop and install ubuntu on it. Do you have any suggestion for me?
[22:56] <bekks> Suggestions on what?
[22:57] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: and double click on them all? the dependencies required are the ones reterned in the terminal error when trying to install the package offline using apt-get install?
[22:57] <mojtaba> bekks: On what model?
[22:57] <jarnos> How can you use an old Launchpad account to log in to Launchpad? It only onffers Ubuntu One account login..
[22:58] <Jordan_U> jarnos: Just use your launchpad credentials.
[22:59] <freeroute> hi, hi, is this PPA trustworthy? - https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:00] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: You can buy laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed from https://system76.com/ and http://zareason.com/shop/home.php among others.
[23:00] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: Thanks. I will check them
[23:01] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: You're welcome.
[23:01] <jarnos> Jordan_U, thanks. Can you migrate old launchpad account to ubuntu one account?
[23:02] <Jordan_U> jarnos: As far as I know that's already been done automatically, which is why you are able to log in using the same credentials.
[23:03] <jarnos> Jordan_U, in my case, if I login by Ubuntu One account, it does not show my old "related bugs".
[23:03] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: thank you very much for you time really appreciate your help thank you, you guy on #ubuntu are the best :)
[23:04] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: You're welcome :)
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: its a PPA and has the same caveats as any other PPA
[23:14] <freeroute> ActionParsnip: but some PPAs are more trusted than others, right? If it's an (official) PPA by the LibreOffice team then I'd be more inclined to add that PPA.
[23:14]  * Chuck_Norris wonders how is ActionParsnip's netbooks doing ? -.-
[23:14] <Chuck_Norris> freeroute: that ppa is the official
[23:14] <freeroute> oh, excellent.
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: I start a PPA and  could put "official" on it. It doesn't mean anything
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: I'm on a Samsung Tab2 7
[23:16] <freeroute> well yeah but then someone would ask the LibreOffice team and they'll of course decline any involvement. Then Fox news will get called, the PPA maintainer's house will get surrounded by police and PPA maintainer will be forced to surrender.
[23:17] <navad> so i got the putty to work, but can't get svn. tortoise isn't connecting to svn+ssh://user@awsserver.com/srv/svn/myrepo
[23:17] <navad> any thoughts what i can look for?
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: exactly. A PPA is a PPA so the packages cannot be fully verified to the extent the official packages can
[23:18] <navad> i believe the subversion config is setup proper as "ssh = TortoisePlink.exe -i C:\Users\user\Desktop\PrivKey.ppk
[23:18] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: doh! i rememeber you using a netbook a loooong time ago xD (like a year or two)
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: I had a Del Latitude D420, my girlfriend has it now
[23:18] <Demon_Jester> hey guys, i am trying to write shell script that compares two files that contain letters and numbers (example 5D9E3G) but I get integer expression expected is there a way I can compare both alpha numeric with throwing that error/
[23:18] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: cool :)
[23:19] <Demon_Jester> without throwing*
[23:19] <freeroute> ActionParsnip: this is why LibreOffice should add a link to LaunchPad on this link - http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/
[23:19] <Chuck_Norris> navad: there is a software for windows that gives some posix compability
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: maybe you are thinking of the Del...?
[23:19] <Chuck_Norris> navad: maybe with that sofwate you can get svn, but i don't remember its name,
[23:20] <welovfree__> a program in in beta means that it's in test, right?
[23:20] <navad> i'm using tortoise SVN
[23:20] <k1l_> welovfree__: yes
[23:21] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: i didn't remember but, yeah, it was a netbook
[23:21] <welovfree__> k1l_: so it's not recommended for an installation?
[23:21] <xangua> freeroute: a PPA is a PPA, doesn't matter if Mark himself maintains it
[23:21] <k1l_> welovfree__: depends on the exact program. sometimes its usable already
[23:21] <welovfree__> k1l_: ok
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: its a think notebook with removable optical drive. Its dying but she keeps it alive with some form of voodoo. I'd have snapped it over my knee ages ago and got new
[23:22] <Chuck_Norris> navad: and... i forgot that you may want to go and ask in ##windows  it is offtopic here
[23:22] <navad> my server is ubuntu, that's why i tried here first
[23:22] <navad> thanks tho
[23:23] <freeroute> xangua: so all of Ubuntu's official PPAs have to be handled the same way as unofficial ones?
[23:23] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: lo/
[23:23] <welovfree__> how can I install tar.bz2 in ubuntu?
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> navad: why use putty as client, you can ssh from terminal and test keys
[23:23] <Chuck_Norris> navad: but if you are running ubuntu why you use tortoise ?
[23:23] <k1l_> welovfree__: what program?
[23:23] <AnotherAnon> udev will not start because devtmpfs is not enabeled in my arm kernel
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: what is in the file? You cant possinly expect an intelligemt reply to that
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: "how do you install .zip in windows"
[23:24] <navad> ActionParsnip: actually TortoisePlink is the client. I tested with putty and it worked. Chuck_Norris: svn is running in ubuntu, i'm running tortoise on a windows box trying to connect to the svn server
[23:24] <welovfree__> k1l_: Sublime Text 2.0.2.tar.bz2
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> navad: does it have a verbose option to show it connecting
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: there is an easier way to install that
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[23:25] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: extract them and find the setup.exe
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: but all I see are images....no setup.exe
[23:26] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: I am a absolute begnnier in the world of linux
[23:26] <k1l_> welovfree__: setup.exe? isnt there a linux version?
[23:26] <k1l_> !info sublime
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> k1l_: I was showing how futile just knowing the extension of a file is
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: my file has no setup.exe, just seeing some images. How do I install this?"
[23:27] <k1l_> welovfree__: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/172698/how-do-i-install-sublime-text-2-3
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: just knowing the file extension tells you absolutely nothing about the file, especially in archives, in ANY OS.
[23:28] <k1l_> welovfree__: as a beginner its easier to use a PPA IF the program is not already in the official ubuntu repos
[23:28] <AnotherAnon> will compiling a new kernel now with devtmps fix the problem ?
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: a .zip file etc is just a collection of files in an archive, nothing more
[23:28] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: yeah I know that
[23:29] <Guest4502> In apparmor.d, how do I allow executing a specific file and killing the process later?
[23:29] <zubterraneo> hola!!
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: if you knw, why was your question "how do I install .tar.bz2"?
[23:29] <Chuck_Norris> there is a ppa for sublime-text -.- (from webupd8)
[23:30] <RB2> Hey guys, I just updated the kernel on Ubuntu 14.10 and I'm seeing
[23:30] <RB2> [450533.640533] Request for unknown module key 'Magrathea: Glacier signing key: af30e7f37b41301c96f985f4789da5f4373e9e92' err -11
[23:30] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: I meant what's inside actually :)
[23:30] <RB2> [450533.640575] libcrc32c: module verification failed: signature and/or  required key missing - tainting kernel
[23:30] <RB2> is that normal?
[23:30] <Chuck_Norris> welovfree__: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/sublime-text-2 ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install sublime-text
[23:30] <Ben64> welovfree__: the point is what is inside is not necessarily installable
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: we cannot know the content of every archive you can find online....
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: if you use the command Chuck_Norris gave, it will install the application.  It will also update it when the PPA is updated :-)
[23:31] <Chuck_Norris> even though i heard "Brackets" (from Adobe) is better -.-
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: [ and ] are brackets :-)
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> RB2: I suggest you report a bug if you suspect something awry
[23:32] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: xD yeah! that one, i used a couple of time, but, in that moment i was kinda noob web developer, not saying right now i am a pro but...
[23:33] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: what are the extensions that can tell me it's an install-able?
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: every day is a schoolday
[23:33] <welovfree__> in ubuntu
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: debs will install their contents if deps are met.
[23:34] <Ben64> welovfree__: ActionParsnip explained this already, extensions don't really mean anything
[23:35] <Chuck_Norris> good to see ya ActionParsnip, gtg cya latter
[23:35] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: so linux is totally a different planet?
[23:35] <welovfree__> because in windows .exe and msi means installable
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: you can even rename a .bmp to .png then ask the sytem what the file is and it will tell you it is a bitmap image. Windows is primitive and uses the file extension to tell what the file is, like it used to do in the old 8.3 DOS days. Linux is a modern OS and looks at the data
[23:36] <AnotherAnon> if I compile a custom kernel with devmpfs enabled will it support arm architecture ?
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: you can even remove the extension and be fine
[23:36] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: so that's why they say linux if freedom hahaha
[23:36] <welovfree__> and powerful :)
[23:37] <k1l_> welovfree__: .deb is meant to be like the installer on windows.packed stuff like .zip .rar or .tar.bz means you need to read the README what to do to install
[23:37] <ActionParsnip>  welovfree__: some people like to label their scripts with .py for python and .sh for bash, but that is also not needed but is useful to humans
[23:38] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: for readability?
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: yes, so that when you run "ls" you can immediately see what is what
[23:39] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: like commenting a source code, comments aren't needed but helpful for humans
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: exactly
[23:40] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: it's my first time asking here in #ubuntu and I learn so much already :) thank you guys for your time :)
[23:48] <MrSavage> I want to develop with gtk+ 2
[23:48] <MrSavage> what package do i need to install?
[23:48] <danbeam> hey, I have a patch that fixes an old package that's probably customized/bundled for an old version of ubuntu (smartmontools 5.38-3ubuntu3). where do I send this patch/does anyone care?
[23:49] <danbeam> this patch fixes `service smartmontools status` for Ubuntu 10.04, which is technically still supported
[23:50] <k1l_> danbeam: its lucid still uses that version. file a bug on launchpad.net to that package and add the patch. so the maintainer sees it
[23:50] <danbeam> k1l_: great, thx