[16:00]  * stgraber waves
[16:00] <stgraber> #startmeeting Ubuntu Foundations team meeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 18 16:00:21 2014 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:00] <stgraber> #topic Lightning round
[16:00] <stgraber> stgraber@dakara:~$ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru)
[16:00] <stgraber> sil2100 slangasek bdmurray cjwatson barry mvo jodh doko infinity robru stgraber caribou
[16:00] <stgraber> sil2100 isn't on IRC and slangasek is off, so that's bdmurray's turn
[16:01] <bdmurray> errors updates: display message for devices that haven't reported a crash display retrace failure reason for a bucket speed up user=foundations-bugs for users subscribed to a lot of packages
[16:01] <bdmurray> daisy updates: landed --nouse-sandbox daisy retracer option for testing speediness added retracer.py options to wipe sandbox and cache directories after each retrace
[16:01] <bdmurray> modified javascript to prevent loading most-common-problems API query multiple times
[16:01] <bdmurray> merged thedac's changes to daisy-retracer charm to hold packages (x2)
[16:01] <bdmurray> uploaded packages to vivid to get ddebs for all architectures
[16:01] <bdmurray> merged fix for ubuntu-release-upgrader / update-manager bug LP: #1399916
[16:01] <bdmurray> uploaded whoopsie fixing bugs LP: #1397340, LP: #1392412
[16:01] <bdmurray> updated apport check-contents-server-age merge proposal based off pitti's feedback
[16:01] <bdmurray> review of halted phased updates and overrode false positives
[16:02] <bdmurray> submitted ubuntu-archive-tools mp with sru-review changes for ubuntu-sponsors
[16:02] <bdmurray> pinged tseliot about bug LP: #1401390
[16:02] <bdmurray> working with webops to test retracer changes to improve time to retrace in scaling stack
[16:02] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:02] <cjwatson> 50% on holiday since last meeting.  New mattress and happier back!
[16:02] <cjwatson> Ran Mathieu through the process of gfxboot-theme-ubuntu translation updates.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Finished off changes to component-mismatches to categorise output by teams.  Should be generalisable to other reports without too ridiculous an amount of work.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Helped out with ubuntu-touch-meta fix/workaround for bug 1399597.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Rescued bits of cdimage crontab after some of it was lost by mistake yesterday.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Worked on making update_excuses.html a bit friendlier by way of bug 1403849.
[16:02] <cjwatson> Went through and closed ~120 browser tabs and unassigned myself from ~60 bug tasks.  See you next year from the Launchpad team!
[16:02] <cjwatson> ..
[16:03] <doko> "happy" new year :-/
[16:05] <stgraber> barry and mvo don't seem to be around, so that's doko then
[16:05] <stgraber> or jodh
[16:05] <cjwatson> isn't jodh around?  yeah
[16:06] <jodh> * working on ubuntu core.
[16:06] <jodh> ᐔ
[16:06] <stgraber> ah, there he is, just wasn't on mumble :)
[16:06] <doko> - still working on the ISL 0.14 transition
[16:06] <doko> - I think there is too much deadlock here waiting on things ...
[16:06] <doko> - GCC 5 packaging updates
[16:06] <doko> - some MIR's
[16:06] <doko> - preparing for GCC 4.8.4
[16:06] <doko> - address SRU icedtea-web regression
[16:06] <doko> - trying to get my INBOX better organized
[16:06] <doko> (done)
[16:07] <infinity> * emergency kernel SRU wrangling
[16:07] <infinity> * helped out cyphermox with some armhf alignment issues
[16:07] <infinity> * worked on IBM RAS package updates
[16:07] <infinity> * general AA and SRU tasks
[16:07] <infinity> * worked on dpkg trigger loop bug with guillem
[16:07] <infinity> * discussion and planning for a thing I can't talk about yet
[16:07] <infinity> (done)
[16:07] <stgraber> robru:
[16:10] <stgraber> alright, no robru apparently
[16:10] <stgraber> At the snappy sprint in CPT last week, back home on Monday evening.
[16:10] <stgraber> Alpha-1 prep work on Tuesday, some LXD code reviews, organizing a LXD sprint.
[16:10] <stgraber> Off on Wednesday.
[16:10] <stgraber> More alpha-1 and travel organization today.
[16:10] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:10] <caribou> Misc bug hunting :
[16:10] <caribou> * iscsi boot
[16:10] <caribou> * diskless NFS boot
[16:10] <caribou> * CUPS env variable overriding
[16:11] <caribou> (done)
[16:11] <stgraber> I don't suppose anyone has something that they'd want to present to the team?
[16:11] <caribou> My best wishes for the upcoming new year ?
[16:11] <infinity> This basket of puppies.
[16:12] <stgraber> :)
[16:12] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[16:12] <doko> 30% of open positions  in the new year?
[16:12] <stgraber> so I guess it's time to wish everyone a merry christmas, happy new year, ... and see you all at some point in 2015!
[16:13] <caribou> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9561433/
[16:13] <doko> well, would like to see
[16:13] <caribou> from Mr cking expertise
[16:13] <stgraber> :)
[16:14]  * cjwatson waves, good luck to you all
[16:14] <infinity> caribou: Do I want to compile that?
[16:14] <cking> caribou, this one is better: http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/infinite-snowflake.html
[16:14] <caribou> infinity: sure, you'll get a nice song out of it
[16:15] <caribou> cking: yeah, I saw your post, didn't get to compile this one yet
[16:15] <cjwatson> incidentally I dug out the mail, we've been called "Foundations" since August 2008
[16:16] <cking> caribou, or this one https://pastebin.canonical.com/122595/
[16:16] <cjwatson> and the distro team split into platform (now foundations) and desktop in December 2006
[16:17] <cjwatson> so it's been about that long
[16:18] <stgraber> sounds like that's it for this meeting then, thanks everyone!
[16:18] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[16:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 18 16:18:54 2014 UTC.
[16:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-18-16.00.moin.txt
[17:01] <dholbach> hello
[17:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:02] <GunnarHj> hi
[17:03] <dholbach> I had to restart my computer... did somebody start the meeting already?
[17:03] <mhall119> o/
[17:03] <mhall119> dholbach: nobody has started it yet
[17:03] <dholbach> ah ok
[17:03] <dholbach> thanks
[17:03] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 18 17:03:51 2014 UTC.  The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:03] <dholbach> #chair mhall119 czajkowski elfy cprofitt
[17:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski dholbach elfy mhall119
[17:04] <dholbach> pleia2 sent apologies
[17:04] <dholbach> hello GunnarHj - thanks a lot for joining
[17:04] <elfy> o/
[17:04] <dholbach> today we're meeting up with the Translations Team and the Ubuntu GNOME team
[17:05] <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Translations team
[17:05] <dholbach> GunnarHj, you're here for the translations team?
[17:05] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Yes. Doing some translating coordination.
[17:05] <elfy> hi GunnarHj
[17:05] <dholbach> excellent
[17:05] <GunnarHj> elfy: Hi
[17:05] <dholbach> anyone here from the translations folks?
[17:06] <dholbach> GunnarHj, how are things going? what is the overall stand of things?
[17:07] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Well, there is one thing I'd like to mention.
[17:07] <GunnarHj> dpm used to be an active translation coordinator from the Canonical side. AFAIK he has other commitments now, and nobody has really replaced him in that role.
[17:08] <GunnarHj> The leader of the Swedish translators team mentioned this the other day.
[17:08] <GunnarHj> The result is that there is a lack of drive in order to get translation related bugs fixed etc.
[17:09] <dholbach> Which of his responsibilities do you see missing most today?
[17:09] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Pushing for translation related bugs to be fixed.
[17:09] <dholbach> "drive" could mean a couple of things, like "recruit new translators" or "keep on top of bugs and ping the individual teams", or is it something entirely different?
[17:10] <dholbach> right
[17:10] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Mostly "keep on top of..."
[17:10] <dholbach> is this bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations?
[17:10] <mhall119> dholbach: sounds like we need to talk to him about handing over some of that to another of us on the team
[17:10]  * mhall119 not it
[17:10] <mhall119> :)
[17:10] <dholbach> nice one
[17:10] <dholbach> maybe somebody who's not around right now? :)
[17:11] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Yes, it's bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations I'm talking about.
[17:11] <dholbach> but more seriously though, I agree that this is important
[17:11] <mhall119> dholbach: +1, one of those slackers on holiday already
[17:12] <mhall119> yeah, we'll get dpm to gracefully hand that over if he can't continue doing it
[17:12] <dholbach> mhall119, I think this was years ago
[17:13] <dholbach> so not something that changed recently
[17:13] <mhall119> it probably changed more when he took over jono's tasks
[17:13] <GunnarHj> dholbach: It was, but at the same time dpm has been deeply involved in getting translations into the phone.
[17:13] <dholbach> mhall119, I don't think so
[17:14] <dholbach> GunnarHj, ok
[17:14] <mhall119> either way, we'll talk to him and get a resolution
[17:14] <GunnarHj> Great!
[17:14] <dholbach> GunnarHj, do the translations coordinators meet every now and then to discuss issues like the above?
[17:15] <GunnarHj> dholbach: No. I'm the latest team member, and have never attended any such meeting.
[17:15] <dholbach> and do most of the leaders of the individual translations teams read their bug mail? (so would subscribing them to the bugs work?)
[17:15] <dholbach> GunnarHj, I see
[17:16] <GunnarHj> dholbach: All team leaderas are supposed to be subscribed to ubuntu-translators.
[17:16] <dholbach> maybe it'd be time to recruit some of the more active team leads into the coordination team?
[17:16] <dholbach> GunnarHj, ah, that's a mailing list where the bug mail goes?
[17:16] <GunnarHj> dholbach: When a t-bug is assigned a team, somebody usually takes care of it.
[17:17] <dholbach> ok, that's great to hear
[17:17] <GunnarHj> dholbach: No, that's a info type mailing list.
[17:17] <dholbach> so it's mostly about going through the list of unassigned bugs
[17:18] <GunnarHj> dholbach: There are two kinds of bugs: Pure translation bugs (handled by the translators) and package bugs affecting translations. It's the latter kind which is the problem.
[17:18] <dholbach> I see
[17:18] <dholbach> do they get a special tag or something which makes it clearer that it's not a pure translation thing?
[17:19] <GunnarHj> dholbach: A proper task is added - if somebody knows which package is affected...
[17:20] <dholbach> ok... maybe I'm drilling too much into the organisational parts of the problem right now
[17:20] <dholbach> maybe a team of interested folks could set up kind of a dashboard or something, to figure out which bugs are unassigned, etc
[17:21] <dholbach> I feel that having a team of coordinators again would also help a lot
[17:21] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Yeah... the mailing list I mentioned is occationally used for that purpose.
[17:21] <dholbach> so this doesn't just rest with your
[17:21] <dholbach> you
[17:22] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Right, that responsibility is to heave for a simple volunteer like me. ;)
[17:22] <dholbach> I just thought that having a number of interested people meet up every now and then would also help, so you could have a look at tasks like "assign bugs" and so on
[17:22] <GunnarHj> s/heave/heavy/
[17:22] <dholbach> and maybe rotate some of the responsibilities as well
[17:22] <GunnarHj> Wort considering IMO.
[17:23] <dholbach> GunnarHj, if you could send the Community Council a mail and CC dpm that'd be good - we should look into this and see if we can help setting up a team again
[17:23] <dholbach> translations are super important
[17:23] <dholbach> it's the window through which most people of the world see Ubuntu
[17:23] <GunnarHj> dholbach: Ok, will do.
[17:23] <dholbach> so we should try to organise this a bit better
[17:23] <dholbach> thanks a lot GunnarHj
[17:23] <mhall119> +1 what dholbach said
[17:24] <dholbach> and thanks a lot for all your hard work throughout the years
[17:24] <mhall119> thanks GunnarHj
[17:24] <dholbach> it's great to have you around!
[17:24] <GunnarHj> np
[17:24] <dholbach> GunnarHj, anything else you would like to mention now before we move over to mail?
[17:24] <GunnarHj> No, I'm done for today. :)
[17:24] <dholbach> czajkowski, cprofitt, mhall119: any more questions from you?
[17:25] <dholbach> ACTION: GunnarHj to mail CC and dpm to figure out translations coordinator team organisation.
[17:25] <dholbach> OK, looks like everyone else is good as well - moving on. :-)
[17:25] <dholbach> Do we have anyone here from the Ubuntu GNOME team
[17:25] <dholbach> ?
[17:26] <dholbach> I can't quite remember, but wasn't most of the team in AU somewhere?
[17:26] <elfy> both amjjawad and tim are in oz timezone - so unless someone else is here I would doubt it
[17:26] <elfy> yep
[17:26] <dholbach> ok, then we should probably reschedule :)
[17:27] <mhall119> dholbach: none from me
[17:27] <elfy> they were trying to sort a time suitable for both :)
[17:27] <dholbach> ok
[17:27] <dholbach> let's move on then
[17:28] <dholbach> pleia2 added another agenda item
[17:28] <dholbach> #topic Open ubuntu-community-team threads
[17:28] <dholbach> the comment said: Help the team continue to define work items in order to move forward.
[17:29] <dholbach> elfy, mhall119, czajkowski: ^ got any comments?
[17:29] <mhall119> I know some of the items in the etherpad were added by someone other that the proposer
[17:30] <mhall119> so if the people who proposed solutions can go through it and provide detailed work items for the things they proposed, that would help us
[17:30] <elfy> yep
[17:30] <mhall119> and assign themselves to the ones they can do
[17:30] <mhall119> unassigned work items don't get done
[17:30] <dholbach> I could send a mail to the list explaining this?
[17:31] <mhall119> that might help, yeah
[17:31] <elfy> pleia2's point was about helping with blueprints - but they're pointless until the tasks have people willing to do anything
[17:31] <elfy> dholbach: yep - sounds useful
[17:31] <mhall119> dholbach: just remind people that if they want a work item done, they either need to take it on themselves or find someone to assign it to who can/will do it
[17:32] <dholbach> ok... should I recommend that people add work items to the pad and people add their names next to the subject they're interested in?
[17:32] <mhall119> yeah, they can be easily converted into a blueprint from there
[17:32] <elfy> and/or add their name to existing nameless ones
[17:33] <elfy> otherwise we're just going to end up with another long pad repeating things again
[17:33] <dholbach> sure
[17:33] <dholbach> sorry, that's what I meant
[17:33] <dholbach> ok, I'll send the mail after the meeting
[17:34] <dholbach> I'm not sure... is there anything concrete, we as the Community Council, could be doing in this meeting now?
[17:34] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/LeadershipActions looks quite cleaned up right now
[17:38] <dholbach> ok, while waiting I just wrote the mail :)
[17:39] <dholbach> elfy, mhall119: anything else from you now?
[17:39] <dholbach> or shall we adjourn=?
[17:39] <mhall119> not from me
[17:40] <dholbach> Ok... thanks a lot everyone for attending!
[17:40] <mhall119> anything other topics people in the channel want to discuss with the CC?
[17:40] <dholbach> #topic Any other business
[17:41] <mhall119> seems not
[17:41] <dholbach> All right... thanks a lot everyone!
[17:41] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[17:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 18 17:41:59 2014 UTC.
[17:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-12-18-17.03.moin.txt
[17:42] <mhall119> thanks everyone for attending
[17:42] <mhall119> thanks dholbach for running this meeting
[17:42] <dholbach> no worries :)