[00:26] <netlar> How well does touch work on the Nexus 4?
[00:38] <netlar> There is no stable version yet?
[02:39] <nimmersatt> hey, is it possible to port Ubuntutouch onto a phone that only has a closedsourced chipset?
[02:47] <RAOF> Absolutely, as long as you've got android support for it.
[02:47] <RAOF> (This is why we use the android driver stack, after all)
[02:48] <nimmersatt> thanks, RAOF. so there is hope for a Fairphone port.
[02:48] <nimmersatt> we just need someone who ports it.
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[09:51] <mzanetti> hey, I'm trying to install dualboot on a nexus7 but I'm failing. It always says "No permission to reboot to recovery"
[09:51] <mzanetti> the dualboot.sh script seems to run without errors
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Free Shipping Day! :-D
[12:23] <mpt> tedg, ok, how about this? <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound?action=diff&rev2=137&rev1=136>
[15:04] <kenvandine> mandel, any luck?
[15:06] <oSoMoN> elopio, have you seen  my comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/webbrowser-app/autopilot-back-forward/+merge/244665 ?
[15:31] <elopio> oSoMoN: haven't seen them yet. I'll look at it soon.
[15:33] <elopio> oSoMoN: I will add the wait_for enabled inside the go_back and go_forward.
[15:33] <elopio> and the test we have as part of the sanity test actually needs to go back and forward, not just checking that the button is enabled.
[15:33] <elopio> is it ok for you to keep the tests actually clicking the buttons, or would you prefer me to add new tests for that?
[15:34] <oSoMoN> elopio, right, that’s fine, but the tests in the webbrowser_app test suite don’t test the same thing, at any rate they need to be renamed to reflect what they actually do
[15:35] <oSoMoN> elopio, but really I don’t see the point of changing what the tests do, I’d rather just keep them checking that the buttons are enabled, that should be enough
[15:37] <elopio>  oSoMoN: not enough for the point of view of the sanity suite. The user story is that by clicking back or forward, the previous page is opened. At this level of testing we need to check user goals, not only the UI behaviour.
[15:39] <oSoMoN> elopio, fair enough, then the tests need to be renamed
[15:39] <elopio> oSoMoN: I'm on it.
[15:39] <oSoMoN> cheers
[15:46] <mandel> kenvandine, I think I found the issue, updating the branch and ensuring it works
[15:47] <mandel> kenvandine, but I wish we could punish whoever landed this and whoever (if someone did) reviewed this
[16:36] <mpt> jgdx, hi, could you answer my question in bug 1383368?
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> YESSS http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> finally some good news
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> tnx to all you devs!!! nice work guys
[18:08] <popey> \o/
[18:24] <k1l_> nice one. congrats :)
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> lookin nice isnt it
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> im gonna ask one to santa
[18:25] <k1l_> lotuspsychje: that announcement was kind of overenthusiastic in #ubuntu
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: we waited so long for this
[18:26] <k1l_> lotuspsychje: yeah. we just try to keep #ubuntu clear of announcments because some others might want to use that as announcment channel for their news then :)
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: well its kind of relevant news isnt it, but ill behave dont worry
[18:41] <lallenlowe123> is there an active project for an IM client?
[18:41] <lallenlowe123> I might life to hack on it
[18:41] <lallenlowe123> like
[20:36] <mzanetti> should dual boot currently work for the nexus 7? I can't get it to boot Ubuntu...
[21:03] <dobey> mzanetti: you using the weird dual boot script thing, or multirom?
[21:03] <dobey> and ugh, camera app is just crashing on my n5
[21:04] <mzanetti> dobey: using the dual boot script
[21:09] <dobey> mzanetti: ah, i'm not sure if it really works on anything currently. i don't think anyone has spent any real time on maintaining it recently
[21:10] <mzanetti> dobey: should it work with multirom?
[21:11] <dobey> mzanetti: afaik, yes. i don't know if tassader has tested it on nexus 7 or not though
[21:11] <dobey> but at least it has reasonable maintenance. it's what i tell anyone to use that wants to dual boot android and ubuntu
[21:15] <nhaines> That's also what I tell people.
[21:16] <jcbjoe> anything new with 14.09 r11 rtm any bug fixes anything new i should know about any changelogs ?
[21:17] <nhaines> jcbjoe: changelogs are on the mailing list.
[21:17] <jcbjoe> oh
[21:17] <nhaines> But the upower switchover mean it's not destroying your battery anymore on the N5 at least.
[21:17] <jcbjoe> nhaines: do i have to be part of the mailing list to get the changelog ?
[21:18] <nhaines> jcbjoe: no, you can follow the list here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/
[21:19] <dobey> nhaines: yeah, i was surprised when i picked up my phone a few minutes ago, and noticed it was only down to 65% after sitting here for over 6 hours
[21:19] <jcbjoe> thanks
[21:20] <nhaines> jcbjoe: I looked for the r11 announcement but can't find it, sorry.
[21:20] <dobey> nhaines: now if only the location settings would get saved across reboots, and silent mode worked correctly, we'd be making real progress on n5 :P
[21:20] <nhaines> dobey: pfft, details.  :P
[21:21] <nhaines> I'd be happier if "photos" aren't just screenshots.  1920x1080 photos are lame.  -__-
[21:22] <dobey> eh, it doesn't matter when they're all seriously overexposed anyway ;)
[21:23] <nhaines> The new Android camera finally started supporting tap-to-take-photo during videos again and instead of full-res they're 1920x1080 and it's just as unconscionable there too.  ;)
[21:24] <dobey> eh, android
[21:24] <nhaines> What really offends me is the Terminal app reboot, where it's clear that the developers never used the original.
[21:24] <dobey> eh
[21:26] <nhaines> Literally every "Wait, where did x go?" is answered with "That's an interesting feature idea.  We've never heard of that before."  Not impressed.
[21:27] <dobey> well, thanks for reminding me that i need to shave before i leave the house :P
[21:27] <jcbjoe> dobey: or nhaines do you know what the latest rtm is at right now ? i havent'been on ubuntu-touch since r11 .. sifiting thru the mailing list i got lost
[21:27] <nhaines> I don't know how but I'll accept thanks anyway!
[21:27] <nhaines> jcbjoe: it's r11.
[21:28] <jcbjoe> oh ok
[21:28] <dobey> what's really fun is turning your phone on silent mode for a movie, or comedy club, or whatever, turning silent mode off at the end, and then realizing 3 days later that oh, your phone is still actually in silent mode
[21:28] <nhaines> heh
[21:29] <nhaines> Yeah, Android 5.0's 'priority mode' is super useful for that.
[21:30] <dobey> the radio switching between wifi/3g has been a bit unreliable lately for me too
[21:31] <nhaines> That's never worked well for me.
[21:31] <dobey> i would really like working bluetooth though, and a solid answer on how developers can build apps that connect to specialty bluetooth devices that do some arbitrary protocol over a serial bluetooth connection
[21:32] <dobey> nfc would be nice too
[21:33] <nhaines> Yeah, I have the sneaky suspicion that if I could ever get anything working with bluez (and I can't) I could contribute patches to get bluetooth working on the N5.  :(
[21:36] <dobey> cwayne: hey, you actually have a working meetup accounts plug-in? the one i made hangs after tapping the "log in" button, i think in my qml maybe :-/
[22:01] <cwayne> dobey: ya
[22:02] <dobey> cwayne: have the code somewhere i could peak at it?
[22:02] <cwayne> dobey: let me push it 1 sec
[22:03] <dobey> am curious what you're doing different
[22:04] <cwayne> dobey: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/+junk/meetup/view/head:/meetup.provider
[22:05] <dobey> huh
[22:07] <cwayne> hm?
[22:08] <dobey> ah, you're doing oauth1.0a there i guess
[22:09] <dobey> cwayne: does it set the displayname for the account to something useful, or does it just stay empty?
[22:12] <cwayne> dobey: its blank for now, i didnt take the time to do the qml-plugin yet
[22:12] <cwayne> i will though, i did it for all my other ones
[22:13] <dobey> cwayne: i have qml and it should work. but i was trying to use the oauth2 method
[22:13] <dobey> and it hangs after i hit the authorize button. :-/
[22:14] <cwayne> i've had a lot of trouble with various account-plugins
[22:14] <cwayne> especially with oauth2
[22:14] <cwayne> everyone implemeted the 'standard' differently, and its a real pain in the ass
[22:14] <dobey> how so?
[22:15] <cwayne> i've seen some places that require you to pass redirect_url instead of redirect_uri, some places that require extra parameters to the authorization call, stuff like that
[22:15] <dobey> at least the meetup implementation seems to be pretty much the same as github's according to the docs. so i just started with what i had for github to work from there
[22:15] <dobey> ah
[22:18] <cwayne> meetup's was pretty good IIRC
[22:35] <jcbjoe> does anyone here use 14.09 rtm as a daily driver and if so do you have any bugs glitches i should know about ? if so what do you do ? do you just reboot ?
[22:47] <janimo`> what is the easiest way to launch a qml binary app without qmlscene from the phone command line? Something that does the equivalent of --desktop-file-hint to allow the app to connect to Mir
[22:48] <dobey> jcbjoe: yes, people are using it as such
[22:49] <dobey> janimo`: if it's from a click package, use ubuntu-app-launch i guess, and if you really need to run qmlscene from the shell, use --desktop_file_hint with an existing .desktop file
[22:50] <janimo`> dobey, not a click package, I am trying to avoid that for the moment if possible, also not a simple qml, but a binary running starting qml engine
[22:50] <janimo`> hence the 'equivalent of desktop-file-hint' :)
[22:51] <janimo`> dobey, so which is the most straightforward way to test a go-qml app, with the minimal ubuntu touch specific metadata files
[22:51] <dobey> if it doesn't accept the --desktop-file-hint arg, then i don't know
[22:51] <cwayne_> janimo`, i suppose you could just create a new go-qml app from the sdk template, and just paste your go into the main.go there, then itll clickify it for you
[22:52] <janimo`> dobey, should anything linked against qml libs accept that flag? If so that would hopefully be enough
[22:52] <janimo`> althought I wonder if go-qml would do such parsing of flags
[22:53] <dobey> i would guess maybe anything using QCoreApplication or whatever the gui variant of that is, should; but i don't really have any idea how go and qt interact on that level
[22:54] <dobey> anyway, time to go. later