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nlsthzn*yawn*05:02
Maaznlsthzn: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell nlsthzn http://ubuntuza.snyman.capetown/" 7 hours, 24 minutes and 49 seconds ago05:02
nlsthznMaaz: tell superfly looks good... but I was also thinking that perhaps we should just use the url to point to our wiki main page and put effort in maintaining it rather (so everyone can keep it updated and maintained)?05:08
Maaznlsthzn: Got it, I'll tell superfly on freenode05:08
bdukMore almal05:21
Kilosmorning nlsthzn ThatGraemeGuy theblazehen inetpro and others too05:26
Kilosoh and Private_User 05:27
nlsthznmorning05:27
Private_Usermorning Kilos05:28
theblazehenHi Kilos 05:57
Kilosnlsthzn: you still on kde?05:59
nlsthznyup05:59
nlsthznfor now :p05:59
Kilosoh are you at work?05:59
Kilosstay onnit man05:59
nlsthznnope05:59
nlsthznhome05:59
Kilosuse the virtual thing for messing with new things05:59
nlsthznits not the new things that get me to switch so much as the current thing messing up and me getting annoyed 06:00
nlsthznI do play with virtualbox a lot06:00
Kiloswhat release are you using?06:00
ThatGraemeGuymornings06:01
Kiloswb ThatGraemeGuy wassup your connection06:01
theblazehenWow.. Had windows on partition 1 and 2, wanted more Linux space, so I deleted the partitions, and created the Linux partition with the full size.. I rebooted, and windows still tried to boot!06:01
Kiloslol06:02
Kilossomething in your grub remembered it06:03
Kilosafter sudo update-grub it will be gone06:03
theblazehenKilos: nah, I used syslinux, but that didn't even display...06:12
Kiloswow06:12
theblazehenAlso, no more Linux, so no more sudo..06:12
theblazehenAt least until I get a live USB to restore my backup06:13
Kilosi had one drive showed  that as well but it was grub seeing it06:13
theblazehenIt just booted straight, with no options?06:13
Kilosya then showed read error or no operating system or something stupid like that06:14
Kilosthats when you install win first on a drive and grub uses the same mbr 06:15
Kilosthere is a super grub iso you can get to boot from06:16
Kilosthen once into your linux you can sort the grub06:16
Kilosor whatever it is you use06:18
theblazehenAh06:26
theblazehenI now learnt that you don't have a backup until you can successfully restore.. :(06:27
Kiloslol06:27
KilosMaaz: google super grub iso download06:28
MaazKilos: That didn't go down very well. Burp.06:28
Kiloseish06:28
theblazehenKilos: my system is super broken, so it won't work06:28
Kilosno man you just messed up the mbr i think06:28
Kilosthe linux os will still be there06:29
theblazehenYa, but I deleted the partitions too. Without knowing where the Linux part starts, you can't get it back06:30
Kilosoh wait06:30
theblazehenMBR is still fine06:30
Kilosyou can boot from a linux cd or stick and run testdisk06:30
Kilosya man but in the mbr it wants to see windows06:31
Kilosfirst then linux06:31
Kilostestdisk will find it all and when you tell it to write it will replace everything06:31
theblazehenKilos: in the mbr it says to load syslinux, but it didn't find syslinux.. Think it jumped to start of 1st partition06:31
Kiloslol06:32
Kilosrun testdisk06:32
theblazehenDon't have anything I NEED on there06:32
theblazehenBeen wanting to switch to i306:32
Kilosoh then just reinstall from scratch if you dont have anything there you need06:32
theblazehenWill just see if I can find backup06:33
Kilosyou need a pc-repair stick like i made\06:33
Kilosfuly operational 12.04 on a stick06:34
theblazehenI have arch on a disk here06:35
Kilosif there is nothing you need why worry about a backup?06:36
Kilostry boot from arch and the copy paste what you want to a stick06:36
theblazehenTakes hours to reinstall, and I have my skyrim save there.. And I forgot my Firefox sync passwors06:36
theblazehenAnd what I want is text files, so testdisk won't have a signature for it06:37
nuvolario/ oh hi, morning06:37
theblazehenHi nuvolari 06:37
Kiloshi nuvolari 06:37
theblazehenOh man, my .Xresources :(06:38
Kilostestdisk foremost and scalpel can find everything06:38
theblazehenKilos: they rely on using the signatures in files.. No signature for text06:38
Kilosbut testdisk can rewrite the partitions 06:38
theblazehenYa, I can try I guess...06:39
theblazehenSo I managed to give fsck a srgfault...06:40
theblazehenSegfault*06:40
Kilosfsck -f the drive06:41
Kilosive used that to get crashed external working again06:41
Kilosi go take sheep out06:41
theblazehenIt killed fsck!06:42
ThatGraemeGuyphew i dunno what you okes do to you poor PCs I've been carrying the same homedir around for years now06:43
theblazehenThatGraemeGuy: I wanted to remove windows, so I deleted all partition, and it happens that my backup disappeared..06:47
* theblazehen got it booting now..06:48
Kiloslol06:48
ThatGraemeGuyit isn't a backup if it isn't on physically separate media06:48
theblazehenThatGraemeGuy: it was! dd|nc to another host!06:49
theblazehenBut when I ran ls on the host it wasn't there now :(06:49
theblazehenTime to do it again, and verify...06:49
ThatGraemeGuyrule #2 it isn't a backup until you've verified that you can restore from it06:49
theblazehenYeah, I get that now...06:50
theblazehenIt always worked before though...06:50
superflynlsthzn: I'm of two minds about that06:54
Maazsuperfly: By the way, nlsthzn on freenode told me "tell superfly looks good... but I was also thinking that perhaps we should just use the url to point to our wiki main page and put effort in maintaining it rather (so everyone can keep it updated and maintained)?" 1 hour, 45 minutes and 44 seconds ago06:54
nlsthzntwo minds, I can't even handle one >.<06:54
Kiloslol07:01
Kilosoh my, all the ibids are sick07:46
KilosMaaz: google ubuntu07:46
MaazKilos: That didn't seem to agree with me07:46
KilosMaaz: google google07:47
MaazKilos: I'm not feeling too well07:47
Kilostheblazehen: you broke them?07:47
Kilosthe 2 on my channel also dont work07:48
Kilosthey lost google connection or some funny thing07:48
Kilosoops sorry superfly good morning to you07:49
superflyhi Kilos07:49
theblazehenKilos: mine didn't work, dunno about maaz08:00
theblazehenI need to TRIM my SSD.. Won't even max out 100mbit LAN :/08:00
Kilosthe old ones were still working just now08:00
theblazehenOr maybe my dd options suck08:01
KilosMaaz: coffee on08:02
* Maaz flips the salt-timer08:02
Kilosthat works but they cant use google08:03
Kilosmaybe google is blocking bots08:03
theblazehenKilos: they dont like bots at the very least. But people work around that08:04
Kilosya but our bots have always worked because the dont go cause maracas08:04
Kilosthey just look up things08:05
theblazehenYa, but Google must have changed something08:06
theblazehenThere is no nice api for bots to use08:06
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!08:06
KilosMaaz: ty08:07
MaazYou are welcome Kilos08:07
charlgood morning08:19
charlMaaz: coffee on08:19
* Maaz flips the salt-timer08:19
charlhi Kilos 08:19
Kiloshi charl 08:19
charlhow are you doing08:20
Kilosgood ty and you08:20
charlgood, good08:20
Kilosour bots are sick08:20
Kilosnot one of the 3 can google anymore08:20
charloh then there is probably a change in the google api08:21
charlshould be easy to solve08:21
KilosERROR:scripts.ibid-plugin:Exception occured in GoogleAPISearch processor of google plugin.08:22
Kilosdont just sit there, solve it08:22
Kilos3 bots cant break same time, google musta changed something08:23
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!08:23
Kilosinetpro: check noddy08:23
Kilosand morning to you08:24
charlMaaz: thanks08:25
Maazcharl: Sure08:25
charlwho's the maintainer of the ibid project?08:25
charlis the code somewhere on github?08:25
georglcharl:  i think it has possibly something to do with the api call08:26
georglrunning a test now to see what happens08:26
charlyeah must be08:26
Kilosthe weed is the maintainer but no time atm08:27
charlah, the cannabis?08:27
Kilosmaybe he can throw a pointer for us08:28
Kilostumbleweed: 08:28
georgl'http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/services/search/web', params, headers08:28
georglthink maybe that has changed08:28
georgl{"responseData": null, "responseDetails": "invalid version", "responseStatus": 400}08:29
Kilosi cant get that open08:29
Kilosya08:29
Kilosso what have they done the swines08:29
georglswines they are not, they have possibly changed their api call for the search, and the bot now fails because google rejects it08:30
Kilossjoe, how do we fix it08:31
tumbleweedKilos: ah, I remember them turning off an API recently08:31
georglanyways, when i get ime i will see if i can fix mine, but atm work is priority.08:31
georglthere is your answer08:31
georglhi tumbleweed08:31
Kilosty tumbleweed and georgl 08:31
Kilosmaybe point us to what needs doing will be good tumbleweed 08:32
georglKilos: http://searchengineland.com/google-web-search-api-longer-available-20218808:34
theblazehen17 GB of a 16 GB partition transfered... 08:35
Kilosai!08:36
Kilosah you winning theblazehen 08:36
theblazehenI think so...08:36
theblazehenDid backup again now08:36
Kiloshaha you also got more than what should be there08:36
theblazehenThink it was the 1000 or 1024 MB in a gig thing08:37
* theblazehen boots live08:37
Kilosnow the bots must see the customer search api08:38
Kilosand thats limited to 100 queries a day08:39
theblazehenKilos: ;) ya sure?08:39
Kiloswhat did you use theblazehen 08:40
theblazehenKilos: for bot? 08:41
Kilosno to fix your drive08:41
theblazehenAh, testdisk found partition, so I then made backup again08:43
theblazehenNow I deleted everything again08:43
theblazehenAnd now I'm restoring backup08:43
theblazehen2.6 MB/s to my SSD :( 08:43
theblazehenThink its bad block size I'm using08:44
theblazehenPoor ssd08:44
theblazehenMust give it a fstrim08:44
theblazehenI like the look of new gnome...08:45
Kilostestdisk rocks hey08:47
Kilosnormally very slow08:47
theblazehenNot on SSD :)08:48
Kilosah08:48
Kiloslinux has wonderful tools08:49
theblazehenThat up to 600MB/s read :)08:49
theblazehenYeah, <3 linux08:49
Kilostestdisk photorec foremost and scalpel recover everythingh there08:49
Kilosthey fast them ssd things08:49
Kilosbut too expensive08:50
theblazehenYa, I got 64 GB for like R90008:50
theblazehenBut they getting cheaper08:50
Kiloseish i can get a 2TB drive for that08:50
* theblazehen is wanting the 16 TB PCIe SSD..08:51
theblazehenKilos: oh, where?!08:51
* theblazehen gets 1TB for R75008:51
Kilosill get you the link08:51
* theblazehen is waiting for those shingled drives for a big RAID08:51
theblazehenTy08:51
Kilosi gave it to you before man08:51
theblazehenAh, that one08:51
Kilosmy supplier\08:51
theblazehenTy08:51
Kilos\08:51
theblazehenHave it in my mail08:52
Kilosum08:52
Kilosdo you still have it?08:52
theblazehenYa08:52
theblazehenJust gotta Ctrl f08:52
theblazehenOr, actually grep08:52
Kilosi paid 600 and some for 1TB08:52
theblazehenNice. Which brand?08:53
Kilos2 TB R96908:53
Kilosseagate08:53
theblazehenAh...08:53
* theblazehen is a western digital guy08:54
Kilosdrives are drives08:54
Kilosi have as many scrap wd's as seagates08:54
theblazehen Ya, but Seagate failed more often08:55
theblazehenI worry when my raid is degraded08:55
* theblazehen must learn BSD so I can use ZFS...08:56
KilosMaaz: yahoo google08:57
MaazKilos: Sorry...08:57
Kiloshehe08:57
Kilosi spose yahoo also needs an api thing08:58
theblazehenLol08:58
* theblazehen loves Zelda music..08:58
Kilosnlsthzn: is the membership approval group the same ones that did the re-verification?09:08
nlsthznI believe in this case yes... there are different ways to get it and depending on how you apply a different council decides09:14
nlsthznfor me it was the forum council09:15
Kiloshi magespawn 09:40
magespawnhi Kilos09:48
Maazmagespawn: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell magespawn http://ubuntuza.snyman.capetown/" 12 hours, 11 minutes and 26 seconds ago09:48
superflymagespawn: I'm thinking of using Nikola09:53
superflyhttp://getnikola.com09:54
magespawnthis is for the ubuntu-za webiste, superfly ?09:57
superflymagespawn: ya09:57
magespawnare you looking at have more than one person looking after it?10:01
superflymagespawn: yes10:04
magespawnyou know the systems best i think, so what ever has the least learning curve10:05
magespawni can help, and like i said i like learning but other might not10:07
Kiloslol10:07
Kilosi can help. ill check spelling hehe10:09
superflymagespawn: I think using Nikola would be easiest. It's a static site generator. So it makes .html files, but uses a templating system, and you write your content in a simple format called reStructuredText (it's similar to Markdown)10:12
magespawni see superfly,can you edit the .html afterwards or should you always go through Nikola?10:20
magespawnthe mark up text used has to learnt but it seems relatively straight forward10:24
magespawnman, i think iam in over my head here a bit with mikrotik10:58
Kilosthats the wifi stuff right?11:12
Kilosor wireless11:13
Kilosyou doing so well magespawn vasbyt man11:13
Kilostalk to one of the wugs for help11:14
magespawni can vasbyt, but the office needs an internet connection11:26
charldot capetown - very cool11:31
magespawnhi charl11:36
magespawni wonder how long before people start with the sex.capetown etc11:37
charlhi magespawn 11:39
charlor capetown.sex11:39
superflymagespawn: always through nikola11:39
magespawnsuperfly is that done locally, on your laptop and then uploaded to the site?11:57
superflyyes11:57
magespawnso then Nikola would act a little like a editing program?11:57
superflyno, it's more like a script to build and then upload your site11:59
superflyyou edit your site using a text editor (Kate supports reStructuredText syntax highlighting)11:59
ThatGraemeGuyMS Word ftw!12:08
magespawnthat would then limit the people who could/would do the updates to those who how and those who can/want to learn12:17
superflyyes, so a few people would be able to do it12:17
magespawni see there are number of editors that support it12:21
superflyas in, it's only limited by who wants to learn12:21
magespawnthat i have found is one of most prevelent limiting factors in the world12:22
superflymagespawn: in this case, it's probably a good one.12:28
theblazehenThatGraemeGuy: LaTeX FTW!12:32
magespawnindeed, it will prevent a mess being made of the page 12:32
* Kilos looks around12:33
Kiloshmm...12:33
Kilosya right channel12:33
KilosMS Word ftw!12:34
Kilossjoe12:34
magespawni have never really undertsood LaTex12:34
magespawni think there may have a been a touch of sarcasm there12:34
Kiloslol12:34
Kilosya he likes teasing12:35
Kiloswhat are you guys doing superfly magespawn making us a new site or what12:35
superflyKilos: yes12:36
Kilosis our old one broken?12:36
superflyand disused and too much for what we can currently handle12:36
Kilosaha12:37
magespawnwould this be a group decision?12:43
Kilosnope12:44
Kilosthe fly can do what the fly can do12:44
Kilosand you can help too12:45
superflymagespawn: I'm open to suggestion, but this is a do-ocracy.12:45
Kiloshehe12:45
superflyAnd so far no one has done anything :-P except me :-P12:45
Kilossuperfly: you the boss12:45
Kilosif you make it easy like a wiki page i can help a bit12:46
Kilosme reading the manual12:58
Kilossuperfly: is it python 2.6 and later or just 2.6?12:58
superflyKilos: 2.6 or later, but I'm using Python 3.412:59
Kilosah cool. he didnt state that12:59
Kilosoh he does further down13:08
Kilosoh nikola is in our repos13:26
Kilosmagespawn: are you doing it?13:34
magespawnsure13:58
magespawnsuperfly your server? or was clug?13:58
superflyI've got something started in Nikola at home, gonna see if I can get a basic site up and running, and then I'll push it up to Launchpad.13:58
superflymagespawn: the clug server13:59
Kilosdo you install t5he stuffs then edit a site or make your own page thing13:59
Kilosi see me battling with python and vim again sigh14:00
magespawnthe way i understand it, you intall Nikola on your pc, do the site there and upload it to the server14:00
Kiloshmm...14:00
Kilosdoesnt sound right to me14:01
Kilossurely one needs a site already there and then you add stuffs etc14:01
magespawnyou need a web server to upload the site to14:01
magespawnthat is what apache does14:02
Kilosas in a host?14:02
Kiloslike the wiki14:02
magespawnthe host is the person/company the provides the webserver either as a physical or virtual machine14:03
Kiloslike anyone can go edit the wiki if they are members14:03
magespawnthat is a function built into the wiki and by the people who look after it14:04
Kilosoh arent websites the same14:04
magespawnpretty much a wiki is a type of website14:04
Kilosoh14:06
magespawnas in both will run on a webserver, which is both the software and hardware14:07
Kilosso that server there is the same kind of thing i nstalled on other pc here?14:08
Kilosisnt a server a server14:08
magespawnbasically yes, probably much better hardware14:09
Kilosof course ya14:09
Kilosand stays online full time14:09
magespawnand the software server may be spread across several physical machines14:09
Kilossjoe14:10
magespawni gotta go check this wireless link from the other side bbl14:10
Kilosgood luck14:10
magespawnthanks cheers14:11
* nuvolari yawns14:24
nuvolariI wanna go gome14:24
Kiloshehe14:33
Kiloslang dag weer seun?14:33
Kilosvroer gaan slaap in die aand man14:33
inetprogood afternoon14:55
Kilosafternoon inetpro 15:25
Kilosinetpro: why havent you applied for ubuntu membership?17:28
Kilosohi gremble wb17:28
Kiloswhere you been17:28
grembleCongratulations on getting verified again17:29
grembleHey Kilos 17:29
Kilosty17:29
grembleOut and about17:29
Kilosoh we got a serious job for you17:29
Kilosno rest for the wicked17:29
grembleOh?17:29
grembleAs long as it is not webdev, I could try and manage17:30
Kilosgoogle killed our bots with an api thing they stopped17:30
grembleibid?17:30
Kilosya17:30
Kiloslemme scroll back17:30
Kiloshttp://searchengineland.com/google-web-search-api-longer-available-20218817:31
Kilosso since this morning the bots cant google anymore17:31
KilosMaaz: google google.com17:32
MaazKilos: I'm not feeling too well17:32
Kiloshehe17:32
grembleOk, I will have a look17:33
Kilosty17:33
grembleI won't be able to fix it if the API is completely dead though17:34
grembleDuckduckgo has a similar api though17:34
grembleSo all is not lost17:34
Kilosyay17:34
Kilosi looked today at alternative search engines but dunno what they can all do17:35
Kilosdoes that duck thing work with google17:35
theblazehenKilos: tried duck duck go?17:35
grembleSort of17:35
theblazehenAh, yes. Kinda17:35
theblazehenMy RAID:(17:36
Kilosi think google is getting to powerful17:36
grembleIt is a metasearch engine. It searches through various searchengines to bring you the appopriate results17:36
theblazehenGone real slow, can't reboot now :/17:36
grembleBut without the tracking capabilities that google/yahoo/bing etc has17:36
Kilosoh my theblazehen what did you do17:36
Kilosi read something about bing a while back, someone dropped them or something17:37
theblazehenKilos: not my fault.. Think HDD is dying17:37
Kilosouch17:37
Kilosmost likely near the beginning17:38
Kilosyou can use disk utility to check it or gparted17:38
grembleI got an I/O error on this hdd yesterday17:38
Kilosthe gparted was is quite cool17:38
grembleIt seems to be working fine today17:38
grembleBut I think that this laptop is dying17:38
gremble:/17:38
Kilosrun badblocks17:39
Kiloslemme get you the command17:39
theblazehenKilos: what's that do?17:39
Kilossudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result17:39
Kilosthat will tell you if there are any17:39
Kilosi have a further command that lets fsck remember them and add new ones17:40
theblazehenAh17:40
theblazehenDoes it destroy data?17:41
Kilosnope read only17:41
theblazehenHmm.. Kk17:41
KilosAfter executing the above command it will generate the file bad-blocks-result in the current directory where you executed this command. Now, you can pass this file to the fsck command to record these bad blocks.17:41
Kilossudo fsck -t ext4 -l bad-blocks-result /dev/sda117:41
grembleKilos: that link you linked said the API retired in August already17:43
Kilosnope it turned off this morning17:43
gremble"The service will cease operations on September 29th, 2014."17:43
Kilosthe weed gave me that link so i could know why ibids were sick17:44
grembleHmm the API they want us to use instead does not look very nice. It is for websites that want to run custom search engines on the site17:46
Kilosits another scheme of theirs for more control i think17:46
Kilosif you can make ibids bing stuff thats cool too17:47
grembleOk then tinfoil hat... It is probably a scheme to make more money instead17:47
Kilosyip only 100 queries a day17:47
Kilosthen most likely they will want payment for more17:48
grembleThe issue isn't that, it is more the database for information. 17:49
Kilosi dont understand all of that, thats why i asked you17:49
Kilosi dont see a reason for them dropping that api17:50
theblazehenSo my floppy controller died...18:02
grembleFloppies arent to be controlled!18:03
grembleThey want to reach out into the world and become stiffies18:03
Kiloswhere you get floppies in lappies?18:03
grembleFor those who don't know, that was a penis joke.18:03
Kiloshaha ya stiffies18:03
Kilosi actually have an external usb stiffy drive18:04
Kilosoh my, we worked him to death18:07
inetprook, how do I setup a test instance of ibid? 18:08
* inetpro has forked and cloned the github repo18:08
Kilosibid-setup18:09
inetproKilos: ok, but what if I want to isolate it first?18:09
Kilosisolate it from where?18:10
Kilossjoe18:10
Kiloswb gremble 18:11
Kilosi thought we worked you to death18:11
grembleThe plug into which my laptop was plugged doesnt have electricity >.>18:11
Kiloseish18:11
grembleThese dogs are so tired from an entire day of sleeping, that they are all sleeping18:12
Kilosdogs should be fed in the morning if you want them awake at night18:12
Kilosyou can try red bull. maybe they cant sleep when flying18:13
inetproKilos: ok, lemme forget about isolating for a moment... is ibid-setup really the first command you run after downloading from source?18:14
inetproguess the INSTALL file is a bit outdated 18:15
Kilosyou mean after its installed18:15
inetprono I don't install from source18:15
inetproI mean I don't install from PPA18:15
Kilosyou want to run it without installing?18:15
Kilossjoe18:15
inetproI effectively just downloaded the source18:15
Kilossjoe gremble help the pro18:16
Kilosi use .debs they work18:16
Kilosoh18:16
Kilosi once looked up installing packages from source on ubuntu18:17
Kilosbut used maaz to google for me18:17
inetprowhere is tumbleweed when we need him?18:18
Kiloshe is here18:18
Kilostumbles!!18:18
Kilosnot lunch time there yet18:18
Kilosi see they made a series of silcon valley18:19
Kilosmaybe we get to see the weed and crash kid18:19
grembleI haven't installed ibid18:20
grembleI just downloaded the code18:20
* inetpro don't want to install for the long run, just want to test and see if I can get the basics going from a dev point of view18:20
grembleHaven't even done that. I have python3.4 on this system, it doesnt play nice with ibid and I don't know how to get a virtual environment in which I can run 2.718:21
inetproplaying around with git as well to try and understand all that as well18:21
Kilosman install it then just copy ibid.db and the other one before you remove it again18:21
Kilos12.04 gremble 18:22
theblazehenOuch. Fileserver won't boot anymore...18:22
Kilosi think i had it running on there and definitley on 10.1018:22
inetproso 14.04 is a no no?18:22
Kilostheblazehen: what did bad blocks say18:22
theblazehenKilos: decided to reboot first.. Think motherboard dying18:23
Kilosthe python 3.4 is too new methinks inetpro 18:23
Kiloseish18:23
theblazehenSays floppy controller broken, beeps, then shows blank screen18:23
Kilosibids ran well on 2.718:23
theblazehenMaybe it'll work tomorrow18:23
Kilossjoe18:23
theblazehenIts only 7 years old :(18:24
Kiloseish18:24
theblazehenAnd my old PC doesn't have sata ports :(18:24
Kilosyou get converters18:24
Kiloside/sata converter18:25
Kiloshi captine 18:25
captineevening18:25
theblazehenYa, but I have 1 ide port only.. And 3 drivea18:25
inetprotheblazehen: have you started modifying ibid yet?18:25
theblazehenDrives*18:25
theblazeheninetpro: only a little. gremble got further18:26
captinequick one.  Anyone here played around with MAAS?  Am trying to decide if I am going to load proxmox for managing containers and VM's. or rather attempt to use MAAS and Juju... only have a single mac mini server to run it all on18:26
theblazehenKilos: also old PC won't boot from usb18:26
Kilossjoe theblazehen you also get and external thing that works from use to ide or sata18:26
theblazehencaptine: didn't use Maas, but +1 for proxmox18:26
inetprotheblazehen: what is you githib username?18:27
theblazehenKilos: ya, I know. But maybe a cheap mitx board might be good18:27
inetprogithub?18:27
theblazeheninetpro: I didn't submit a PR. Just pulled it from launchpad. Check out what gremble did18:27
captinethanks theblazehen .  I was leaning towards that...18:27
theblazehenI couldn't get github version to run18:27
theblazehencaptine: did you look at ovirt too? How about ESXi?18:28
inetproI looked at gremble's changes 18:28
theblazehenYeah, he did way more than me18:28
grembleI think I finished the plugin, but it is at home. Haven't pushed it yet18:29
gremble:x18:29
Kilosinetpro: noddy sick as well?18:29
inetproKilos: obvious18:29
captineno.  didnt look at those.18:30
Kiloseish18:30
inetprobut I don't really use that functionality, doesn't bother me that much18:30
Kilosmajor catastrophe18:30
inetprono man18:30
Kilosi live on the bots man18:30
Kilosgoogle isnt my friend18:30
grembleddg just wants me to fix their Instant Answer plugin when I go look at their API's18:31
captinetheblazehen,  would prefer proxmox over esxi... feels better to me in terms of being open source etc.  not being super technical, the proxmox option looks pretty easy to use from what i have seen18:31
gremble>.>18:31
Kilosbots google 4 or five links18:31
Kilosbrowser gets 500\18:31
captinetheblazehen, thought of installing 4 ubuntu vms and mimicking an ubuntu MAAS setup using the VMs.18:31
theblazehencaptine: yeah, im currently using plain virt manager on Ubuntu now18:31
theblazehenAh18:32
captinei have virtualbox on my laptop, but am wanting to change to virt manager18:32
theblazehenBTW I couldn't get that to work with proxmox...18:33
captinetheblazehen, ??? getting MAAS to work?18:35
captinein vms18:35
theblazehencaptine: sorry, couldn't get virt manager to work with proxmox18:35
captineah18:36
Kiloslemme boot from my pc-repair stick and see if ibid still works on 12.0418:39
Kiloswbb18:39
Kiloseish18:49
Kilosi killed my stick with boot-repairs today18:49
Kilosdomdonner18:49
* Kilos cries18:50
grembleHow is it killed Kilos?18:51
Kilosi told it to install grub to the wrong mbr18:51
Kilosso now it cant boot but ill fix that from here tomorrow18:52
grembleAh ok18:54
Kilosi have a 12.04 xubuntu on other pc, will see if i get that to see if ibid works there18:55
Kiloswbb hopefully from the stick19:04
superflyinetpro: ping19:04
inetprosuperfly: pong19:05
superflyinetpro: install "nikola" :-)19:05
inetprodid install it, but haven't played with it yet19:05
inetprotoo much reading19:06
inetprosuperfly: next step?19:07
superflyinetpro: wait for me, I'm busy getting the basics of the site done19:07
inetprook19:08
* inetpro also just installed virtualbox on 14.04 and getting ubuntu server installed to play around with locally19:09
superflyinetpro: don't need ubuntu server19:11
superflyinetpro: nikola server -> localhost:800019:11
superfly*nikola serve19:11
theblazeheninetpro: have you tried using KVM? I use that and virt manager, works nice19:11
inetprotheblazehen: yes19:12
inetprosuperfly: hmm... mine didn't start the daemon after installation19:13
inetproI need to do something to start it?19:14
superflyinetpro: it doesn't19:14
superflyyes, but not yet19:14
inetprooh19:14
superfly<superfly> inetpro: wait for me, I'm busy getting the basics of the site done19:14
superfly:-)19:14
inetprojust doing the virtualbox for something else anyway19:15
inetproguess I should have done KVM rather19:15
grembleI am sitting with a coffee machine five steps away from me and I keep making coffee one cup at a time19:23
grembleSometimes I think that there is something wrong with me19:24
grembleOther times, I am fairly sure that there is19:24
Kiloseish i get so angry with unity and lightdm19:25
Kiloshad to ctrl+alt+F3 then login and install gdm19:26
Kilosbut still working19:26
Kilosstick19:26
grembleUnity often gets angry at itself19:27
Kilosyeah and keeps rebooting to login password19:27
Kilosonly installing gdm fixes that19:27
Kilossome bug in lightdm19:28
Kilosinstalling ibid now19:29
Kilosya installed fine19:34
Kiloshi qa_ 19:35
inetproKilos: what version os?19:35
Kilosqa_, hi19:35
qa_Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me19:35
Kilos12.0419:35
inetproahh19:35
Kilosthis is on my pc-repair stick19:36
Kilosremember that19:36
magespawngood evening19:37
Kilosthats the only thing ive ever done successfully19:37
Kiloshi magespawn 19:37
magespawnand what is that Kilos ?19:37
Kilospc-repair stick19:37
Kilosfully installed upgraded 12.04 with all the boot-repair tools and data recovery tools19:38
Kilosmaybe i should make that my contribution to ubuntu then they can make me a member19:39
Kiloscan be used to fix all crashed drives19:39
Kilosunless they dead that is19:39
magespawni would definately make it permenant thing though Kilos 19:40
Kiloshuh?19:40
Kilosqa_, google google19:42
qa_Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me19:42
Kiloseish19:42
grembleWon't work if the API is dead19:42
gremble:P19:42
* Kilos curses google19:42
grembleduckduckgo doesn't have a search API19:42
grembleonly an "instant answers" one19:42
magespawnas in keep doing it, keep it up to date19:42
grembleSo no search results19:42
Kilosai!19:43
Kilosbing? or yahoo19:43
grembleDunno, haven't checked.19:43
grembleI have never searched with bing or yahoo19:43
grembleI used to search for porn on dogpile in my youth19:44
Kiloswho runs google? an old ms employee19:44
Kiloshahaha in your youth19:44
Kilosdoes dogpile have a search api19:44
grembleI have no idea19:44
grembleI don't even know whether it exists anymore19:45
Kilosohi superfly 19:45
superflyhi Kilos19:45
Kilosinetpro, WAYTTD19:48
Kiloshee hee19:48
inetproKilos: just getting my testing server ready first19:48
Kiloswhats os server?19:49
inetprodamn thing needs way too much data for updates though19:49
Kiloseish19:49
superflyKilos: what's UbuntuZA twitter account?19:49
Kilosi still have over 4g of 12.0419:49
inetprobut it's ok... will survive19:49
inetprosuperfly: https://twitter.com/ubuntuza19:49
Kilosum19:49
Kilosty inetpro 19:50
superflythanks inetpro19:50
inetproit's in the topic19:50
superflyand Fakebook?19:50
superflyon there, it is19:50
inetprohmm....19:50
Kilosi dont know who started the fb ubuntu za19:51
inetprosuperfly: would that be the group https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuza ?19:51
superflyja, got it19:51
inetprosuperfly: g+ https://plus.google.com/+Ubuntu-zaOrg19:53
Kilosah things looking promisinf for our new site19:54
Kilospromising19:54
Kiloswhen fly wants info he is working hard19:55
Kilosplaying minetest ThatGraemeGuy ?19:56
inetproKilos: I got almost 10mbps for a few moments earlier this evening20:00
Kilosya its weird goes to 14 at times but only bits of an update20:00
Kilosothers drop to 400kB/s20:01
Kilosi dont know how that can be though because this modem is 7 mb/s20:02
Kilosso how can it do 14 mb/s20:02
superflyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/+junk/ubuntuza-site20:03
superflyinetpro: ^^20:03
inetprosuperfly: downloading20:04
inetprodone20:04
superflyinetpro: k, unpacked?20:04
inetproexplain unpacked20:05
* inetpro did: bzr branch lp:~raoul-snyman/+junk/ubuntuza-site 20:05
superflyah20:05
superflyok, in "ubuntuza-site"20:05
superflyrun "nikola build && nikola serve"20:05
superflythen open your browser to http://localhost:8000/20:06
* superfly gets some coffee20:06
inetprosuperfly: http://slexy.org/raw/s2GcZGVxWQ20:08
theblazehenKilos: what you downloading? 20:08
Kilosme nothing theblazehen 20:09
theblazehenKilos: with the 14mbit thing, maybe its compressed stuff?20:09
Kiloswe were just talking about high speeds at times20:09
Kilosoh it was updates20:10
Kilosor upgrades im not sure anymore20:10
theblazehenAh, yeah, shouldn't happen...20:10
superflyinetpro: sudo apt-get install python-dateutil20:10
superflyinetpro: I never got that error20:10
inetprosuperfly: next one20:12
inetprohttp://slexy.org/raw/s20vyVTRoX20:12
inetprobtw, got that now after installing python-dateutil 20:17
superflyinetpro: please tell me the output of "nikola --version"20:18
inetproNikola version 6.2.120:19
inetprofrom the standard 14.04 repo20:19
superflyah20:19
superflyyou need at least 7.020:20
inetproai!20:20
superflyinetpro: sudo apt-get install virtualenv20:20
inetpronou praat ons20:20
inetprohmm20:21
inetproCouldn't find package "virtualenv".  However, the following20:21
inetpropackages contain "virtualenv" in their name:20:21
inetpro  python-virtualenv virtualenv-clone dh-virtualenv virtualenvwrapper 20:21
superflyah20:21
superflypython-virtualenv20:21
superflyonce that's done, "virtualenv --system-site-packages venv"20:22
superflythen "./venv/bin/pip install nikola"20:22
superflyoh wait, you probably need "./venv/bin/pip install --upgrade nikola"20:22
inetprohavimng to install a few packages20:22
inetproThe following NEW packages will be installed:20:23
inetpro  build-essential{a} dpkg-dev{a} g++{a} g++-4.8{a} libalgorithm-diff-perl{a} libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl{a} libalgorithm-merge-perl{a} 20:23
inetpro  libstdc++-4.8-dev{a} python-colorama{a} python-distlib{a} python-html5lib{a} python-pip{a} python-setuptools{a} python-virtualenv 20:23
superflyyes20:23
inetprodone20:23
inetprosuperfly: I do the above from within that folder of yours or does it not matter?20:23
superflyoutside the folder20:24
inetprook what does virtualenv do?20:25
gremble_It is a virtual environment for python20:25
gremble_So that you don't install packages systemwide20:25
inetprook20:25
inetprosuperfly: done20:26
superflywhat gremble_ said :-)20:26
superflyinetpro: now you might want to create a symlink in ubuntuza-site to venv/bin/nikola20:26
superflyinetpro: but basically, go into the ubuntuza-site folder and run /path/to/venv/bin/nikola build20:27
superfly(with the symlink it'll be easier: "./nikola build")20:27
inetprowhere do I find this venv?20:28
inetpro⟫ virtualenv --system-site-packages venv20:29
inetproNew python executable in venv/bin/python20:29
inetproInstalling setuptools, pip...done.20:29
superflyhey hey https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za20:30
superflyinetpro: right there where you created it20:30
inetprooh, hang on.. I see it now20:30
inetproI made mistake20:31
superflyoh?20:31
inetproinstalled nikola from pip outside of the venv20:31
superflyare you sure? did you have to use sudo?20:31
inetprono20:32
superflyif you didn't use sudo, you didn't install it system-wide20:32
superflywhat's the output?20:32
inetprohttp://slexy.org/raw/s2ir48JImt20:32
superflyinetpro: it did nothing20:33
inetproahh20:33
superfly<superfly> oh wait, you probably need "./venv/bin/pip install --upgrade nikola"20:33
inetprook, wait... downloading and installing now20:34
inetproeish20:34
Kiloswat?20:35
Kilosbig download?20:36
inetpromore errors20:36
inetprosuperfly: http://slexy.org/view/s20mN1R1GV20:36
Kilosai!20:36
superflyinetpro: sudo apt-get install python-lxml python-pil20:38
* superfly writes all of these down in a README.rst file20:38
inetproNeed to get 0 B of archives.20:39
inetprosuperfly: those are installed already20:39
superflyinetpro: OK, let's try this instead20:41
superfly./venv/bin/pip install 'nikola>=7.0'20:42
inetproinstalling20:42
inetpronope... just about the same end result20:43
inetproerror: command 'x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc' failed with exit status 120:43
magespawnis this all to run nikola?20:45
inetproaptitude search '~i gcc'20:46
inetproi A gcc                                                           - GNU C compiler                                                          20:46
inetproi A gcc-4.8                                                       - GNU C compiler                                                          20:46
inetproi   gcc-4.8-base                                                  - GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)                         20:46
inetproi   gcc-4.9-base                                                  - GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection (base package)                         20:46
inetproi A lib32gcc1                                                     - GCC support library (32 bit Version)                                    20:46
inetproi A libgcc-4.8-dev                                                - GCC support library (development files)                                 20:46
inetproi   libgcc1    20:46
inetprosorry for the spam20:46
superflymagespawn: what version of Ubuntu are you running?20:47
superflyinetpro: install python-dev20:47
gremble_What are we trying to do, just for interests sake20:48
inetproahh20:48
magespawn14.0220:48
superflygremble_: we're moving to a static site for ubuntu-za.org, and using nikola to generate it20:48
magespawnsorry 14.0420:48
gremble_Oh ok20:49
gremble_Is it nicer than Jekyll? or just different20:49
superflygremble_: for one, it's written in Python20:49
superflygremble_: it uses reStructuredText, which I prefer over Markdown20:49
superflygremble_: and (big one for me) it comes with a Twitter Bootstrap theme right out of the box20:50
superflywhich means it's already responsive20:50
gremble_Oh ok20:50
inetprosuperfly: done... trying to install nikola 7.0 again20:50
inetprouh oh... nope20:51
superflyoutput?20:51
inetprocoming20:51
inetprohttp://slexy.org/view/s2I90Wesnf20:52
superflyinetpro: ah, you need the development versions of some libraries installed20:53
charlgood evening20:53
inetprosuperfly: ok20:54
Kiloshi charl20:54
charlhi Kilos 20:54
Kilosssshhhhh20:54
inetprohi charl20:54
superflylemme get them for you20:54
charlhi inetpro 20:54
Kilosthey sorting serious things here tonight20:54
inetproKilos: very serious20:55
charlas we say in dutch, goed bezig20:55
superflyinetpro: sudo apt-get install libxslt1-dev libxml2-dev20:55
inetprodone... trying again20:56
inetproai!20:57
inetpro/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz20:58
inetprosuperfly: http://slexy.org/view/s20IsyljWD20:59
gremble_Nikola looks nice. but with Githubs free hosting and allowing you to get your own domain and use it there, that is much more convenient for me :P20:59
inetprosuperfly: I have 64 bit 14.04.1 installed21:01
inetprocould that perhaps be a mixup of 32bit vs 64bit libs?21:02
superflyunlikely21:02
inetprook21:02
superflyit looks like a missing library, but since I've never had to build lxml myself, I really don't know. I'm looking at the docs, and they're not very helpful either21:03
inetprocannot find -lz21:07
inetproisn't that supposed to be some z library of sorts?21:08
inetprolike libz21:09
superflyja, that's my guess21:10
superflybut I can't find anything specific on it21:10
inetproinstalling zlib1g-dev21:11
inetpro\o/21:13
inetprosuperfly: http://slexy.org/view/s21jRqcpg521:14
inetproit worked21:14
superflyyay!21:14
superflythat was too much effort -_-21:14
inetpronow where do I go next?21:15
inetprothat zlib thing looked very familiar from days of yonder on solaris21:15
superflygo into the ubuntuza-site directory again21:16
superflyand run "/path/to/venv/bin/nikola build"21:16
superfly(or symlink it: "ln -s /path/to/venv/bin/nikola /path/to/ubuntuza-site/nikola" and then "./nikola build")21:17
inetproubuntuza-site⟫ ../venv/bin/nikola build 21:17
inetprodone21:17
superflythen ../venv/bin/nikola serve21:18
inetproyay!!!21:18
inetprocool21:19
* inetpro tired now21:21
superflyme too, I think bed is in order21:23
magespawnsuperfly does it have to be nikola 7?21:23
superflymagespawn: yes.21:23
magespawnokay cool, the repo version seems to 6.221:24
Kilosthat was lots of work21:25
superflyya21:25
superflyI'm writing up instructions21:25
Kilosthen you still have to learn how to use it21:25
magespawncool beans superfly21:26
Kilosand you guys go to work in a few hours21:26
Kilosai!21:26
inetproonce the problems are known it will be easy, I think21:26
magespawni have got the 6.2 installed and the demo site setup so i should be able to follow your instructions21:27
inetprovery interesting indeed21:28
magespawnthat is why we let you guys do it first21:29
Kiloshaha govt wont get much outa you tomorrow pro21:29
Kiloswhen do you go on leave?21:29
gremble_https://i.imgur.com/o7NpWVq.gif I laughed way too much.21:30
inetprosuperfly: in your .bzrignore you have an entry .doit.db.db 21:30
inetproshould that not be just .doit.db ?21:30
Kiloshaha too funny21:31
Kilosive seen that with wheel barrows of concrete21:31
superflyinetpro: in my folder it was .db.db21:32
superflyweird, I know21:32
inetprook, I just see a .db file here 21:32
magespawna couple of things come to mind like ouch, 'let go'21:33
Kiloshehe21:35
Kilosit all depends on how big the bosses whip is21:36
Kilosqa_, die21:36
gremble_He even tucks in his knees to clear the pallet handle21:36
gremble_:P21:36
Kilosnight all of you. sleep tight21:38
inetprogood night21:41
magespawngood night all21:43
superflyMaaz: tell magespawn http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+junk/ubuntuza-site/view/head:/README.rst21:47
Maazsuperfly: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode21:47
superflyinetpro: bzr pull lp:~ubuntu-za/+junk/ubuntuza-site --remember21:48

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