[00:00] Unit193: vivid stable enough currently for me to run with it? [00:02] bluesabre: I'm personally waiting until A1/after A1, which is right around the corner. [04:17] bluesabre, I've been on vivid since it was first an option, everything is ok so far, but the gtk 3.14 update (due friday) might break stuff [04:20] Erp, yep waiting until a while after that. It's pretty fugly in Debian, TBH. [07:25] bluesabre: i've been on vivid for a while now and also been using gtk3.14. it's not great with 3.14, but it's okayish, i guess we'll get there (still waiting for the numix sass port to finish) [10:22] ochosi: making very slow and steady progress with the light-locker integration, but it should be a painless patch to apply once I finish [10:23] cool! [10:23] was going to do a lot last night, but got pulled into packing boxes and talking [10:23] i tried to make the glade-changes as little invasive as possible too [10:23] i presume you weren't packing gtkboxes? [10:24] thats correct :) [10:24] well it sounds like an enjoyable evening though [10:25] :) [10:25] we're getting pretty excited for the move for sure [10:27] cool [10:27] that's good to hear [10:27] i hope everything goes smoothly [10:30] me too [10:36] uh-oh, Laney just uploaded gtk3.14 [10:36] makes sense [10:36] bluesabre: if you wanna push the latest version of greybird, that'd make it a tad smoother (although some stuff will still look bad) [10:36] the indicators look really nasty without the patch [10:36] ochosi: remind me this evening :) [10:37] well as soon as you'll install/try vivid, you'll be reminded automatically ;) [10:37] but yeah, i might just do that [13:57] elfy: whenever gtk3.14 lands in vivid (and it should soon), the current greybird-theming will fail (e.g. with indicators). if you want to test the fix for that, you can check the shimmerproject's daily PPA, where the fixed version of greybird sits [13:57] note that there'll still be visual issues, but patching those up doesn't make too much sense since a rewrite is imminent [13:57] ochosi: I'm using shimmer daily anyway [13:58] ah ok [13:58] :) [13:58] well, at least now you explicitely know and if others have issues, you'll know what it's about ;) [13:58] same with the icon theme btw [13:58] did ubuntu fix these issues already? [13:58] in the open-file dialog there was a missing icon, that's there in -daily already [13:59] ochosi: ok - thanks [13:59] brainwash: "these issues"? [13:59] "visual issues" [14:00] most of them are "normal" gtk3 breakage because of the version bump [14:00] i suppose they've gone through their list of issues if they upload [14:01] would it be possible to copy the changes? [14:09] brainwash: "...patching those up doesn't make too much sense since a rewrite is imminent" [14:10] a rewrite will magically fix it? [14:10] * knome facepalms [14:11] since gtk3 is in a constantly moving state, it makes no sense to fix it since it's likely that the fix is broken with the next gtk3 update [14:13] that the reason why I asked if one could copy what the ubuntu devs did to make their themes work properly [14:20] copying that would take time and effort, and it would be just as much in vain as simply doing the fix yourself [14:20] there are better/more important tasks to spend time at... [14:20] we will fix it for the release, whatever gtk3 version we are at at that point [14:25] that's fine, so I won't bother and try to diff the themes [14:26] this way I've found out why the button highlight did not work in the sound menu for greybird [14:26] back then [14:27] so, I'm just trying to help and not command people to fix everything asap [14:38] brainwash: yeah, but for now it seems all issues are gtk3.14 related and as i said, there's a port to SASS that we'll be doing most likely for 15.04 [14:38] you're free to look into it ofc === Unit193 is now known as JackFrost [21:05] 18 Dec 14 12:39 PM - Shipment delivered - SAN FRANCISCO,UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [21:05] amagad stickers [21:05] woohoo [21:05] * pleia2 goes to get [21:05] weee [21:06] great! [21:06] lurkers awake !!! [21:07] pleia2 has some sort of super power lol [21:07] mooo. [21:07] ha ha [21:07] i guess she just happened to be the first person saying something interesting [21:07] lol [21:07] or anything in th last hours. [21:07] bluesabre: reminder: update greybird from git for 15.04 with gtk3.14 patches. thanks! [21:09] aww man, false alarm [21:09] different package (same unusual carrier) [21:10] :D [21:10] crap [21:10] stupid carrier [21:10] all the excitement for nothing! [21:10] yes! [21:10] this has to be the worst christmas ever! [21:10] on the bright side, my portable projector has arrived, aren't you happy? [21:10] ha ha [21:10] pleia2, BOO [21:10] pleia2: very. [21:10] hehe [21:11] * knome gets the rotten tomatoes out of the cellar closet [21:11] pleia2: ok, so how portable do portable projectors get these days? [21:11] that reminds me... (follow up in #xubuntu-offtopic) [21:11] * ochosi considers to send pleia2 a package of surströmming labelled as "xubuntu stickers" [21:11] lol [21:12] ochosi: are you sure you're going to get it sent to her? it might be classified as biological weapon [21:12] dkessel: for cheap, not very :) [21:13] I got this one http://www.lightinthebox.com/400lm-mini-hd-home-led-projector-with-super-bright-led-technology-pc-laptop-vga-usb-sd-hdmi-uc28-gold_p1508346.html [21:13] ochosi, uhhh... not sure if they are even letting you ship that [21:13] I can hold it in one hand [21:13] (i'm not kidding, it's probably prohibited for the explosion potential) [21:14] https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/europe-scandinavia-the-nordics/topics/surstromming-in-ryanair [21:15] pleia2: that's not too big [21:15] nah, it's ok [21:16] == A1 freeze, but if it's only our packages should still be OK. == [21:17] JackFrost: thanks for bringing us back on topic ;) [21:18] pleia2, wow the resolution, the last time i checked (years ago) thing like that could do 800x600.. [21:18] pleia2, what's the crappy feature on that? [21:18] i mean, it can't be that cheap unless it has something that's a bit off.. [21:19] brightness? contrast? [21:19] knome: it's not really gold ... [21:19] holy crap [21:19] elfy, lol [21:19] that's a lot of resolution [21:19] maybe it's very loud? [21:20] how can it be, it's so small [21:20] :P [21:20] knome: you never met my ex [21:20] huhu, this is a logged chan :P [21:21] knome: you think his ex is reading this..? [21:21] indeed - but she can't work websites :D [21:21] ochosi, who knows... [21:24] JackFrost: did you think anymore about when meeting is? [21:24] pleia2: if it weren't too late for that, that'd be a nice christmas present... [21:30] elfy: Sounded like any time before the holiday wasn't going to work, I was trying to get feedback on when it'd be the most useful rather than running it pointlessly. [21:30] yep - makes sense [21:30] just want to make sure we have one pre - alpha2 [21:31] given that the main reason for taking part in that was where systemd was - not that it would be the only reason [21:33] Right, and you wanted to run that? So I'll need to run one before that. [21:33] not if there's no real need I don't :) [21:34] but it needs to be consensus for that I would think [21:35] 5th? :P [21:36] works for me - but then most days do - it's the time that causes me issues :) [21:37] but that said - it'd probably be good to set one that bluesabre can make [21:37] a discussion on yay or nay on a2 doesn't actually need me there [21:39] IMO, it should, or you should at least make a comment before hand. Some of us run it, sure, but you're still the most "in the know". [21:39] bluesabre: So, when do you want the next meeting? [21:40] JackFrost: yea - I can comment of course - and will - at length - but as long as I've done that - that's not a reason to hold one I can attend :) [21:41] I should have more than a VM by then... [22:03] Hah, and now unfrozen as A1 is out. [22:09] Pinged xnox too. [22:41] JackFrost: you mean about that ubiquity merge? [22:41] Da.