[00:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: vivid stable enough currently for me to run with it?
[00:02] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'm personally waiting until A1/after A1, which is right around the corner.
[04:17] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, I've been on vivid since it was first an option, everything is ok so far, but the gtk 3.14 update (due friday) might break stuff
[04:20] <Unit193> Erp, yep waiting until a while after that.  It's pretty fugly in Debian, TBH.
[07:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: i've been on vivid for a while now and also been using gtk3.14. it's not great with 3.14, but it's okayish, i guess we'll get there (still waiting for the numix sass port to finish)
[10:22] <bluesabre> ochosi: making very slow and steady progress with the light-locker integration, but it should be a painless patch to apply once I finish
[10:23] <ochosi> cool!
[10:23] <bluesabre> was going to do a lot last night, but got pulled into packing boxes and talking
[10:23] <ochosi> i tried to make the glade-changes as little invasive as possible too
[10:23] <ochosi> i presume you weren't packing gtkboxes?
[10:24] <bluesabre> thats correct :)
[10:24] <ochosi> well it sounds like an enjoyable evening though
[10:25] <bluesabre> :)
[10:25] <bluesabre> we're getting pretty excited for the move for sure
[10:27] <ochosi> cool
[10:27] <ochosi> that's good to hear
[10:27] <ochosi> i hope everything goes smoothly
[10:30] <bluesabre> me too
[10:36] <ochosi> uh-oh, Laney just uploaded gtk3.14
[10:36] <bluesabre> makes sense
[10:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you wanna push the latest version of greybird, that'd make it a tad smoother (although some stuff will still look bad)
[10:36] <ochosi> the indicators look really nasty without the patch
[10:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: remind me this evening :)
[10:37] <ochosi> well as soon as you'll install/try vivid, you'll be reminded automatically ;)
[10:37] <ochosi> but yeah, i might just do that
[13:57] <ochosi> elfy: whenever gtk3.14 lands in vivid (and it should soon), the current greybird-theming will fail (e.g. with indicators). if you want to test the fix for that, you can check the shimmerproject's daily PPA, where the fixed version of greybird sits
[13:57] <ochosi> note that there'll still be visual issues, but patching those up doesn't make too much sense since a rewrite is imminent
[13:57] <elfy> ochosi: I'm using shimmer daily anyway
[13:58] <ochosi> ah ok
[13:58] <elfy> :)
[13:58] <ochosi> well, at least now you explicitely know and if others have issues, you'll know what it's about ;)
[13:58] <ochosi> same with the icon theme btw
[13:58] <brainwash> did ubuntu fix these issues already?
[13:58] <ochosi> in the open-file dialog there was a missing icon, that's there in -daily already
[13:59] <elfy> ochosi: ok - thanks 
[13:59] <ochosi> brainwash: "these issues"?
[13:59] <brainwash> "visual issues"
[14:00] <ochosi> most of them are "normal" gtk3 breakage because of the version bump
[14:00] <ochosi> i suppose they've gone through their list of issues if they upload
[14:01] <brainwash> would it be possible to copy the changes?
[14:09] <ochosi> brainwash: "...patching those up doesn't make too much sense since a rewrite is imminent"
[14:10] <brainwash> a rewrite will magically fix it?
[14:10]  * knome facepalms
[14:11] <knome> since gtk3 is in a constantly moving state, it makes no sense to fix it since it's likely that the fix is broken with the next gtk3 update
[14:13] <brainwash> that the reason why I asked if one could copy what the ubuntu devs did to make their themes work properly
[14:20] <knome> copying that would take time and effort, and it would be just as much in vain as simply doing the fix yourself
[14:20] <knome> there are better/more important tasks to spend time at...
[14:20] <knome> we will fix it for the release, whatever gtk3 version we are at at that point
[14:25] <brainwash> that's fine, so I won't bother and try to diff the themes
[14:26] <brainwash> this way I've found out why the button highlight did not work in the sound menu for greybird
[14:26] <brainwash> back then
[14:27] <brainwash> so, I'm just trying to help and not command people to fix everything asap
[14:38] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, but for now it seems all issues are gtk3.14 related and as i said, there's a port to SASS that we'll be doing most likely for 15.04
[14:38] <ochosi> you're free to look into it ofc
[21:05] <pleia2> 18 Dec 14 12:39 PM - Shipment delivered - SAN FRANCISCO,UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
[21:05] <pleia2> amagad stickers
[21:05] <elfy> woohoo
[21:05]  * pleia2 goes to get
[21:05] <ochosi> weee
[21:06] <knome> great!
[21:06] <elfy> lurkers awake !!!
[21:07] <elfy> pleia2 has some sort of super power lol 
[21:07] <knome> mooo.
[21:07] <elfy> ha ha 
[21:07] <ochosi> i guess she just happened to be the first person saying something interesting
[21:07] <elfy> lol
[21:07] <knome> or anything in th last hours.
[21:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: reminder: update greybird from git for 15.04 with gtk3.14 patches. thanks!
[21:09] <pleia2> aww man, false alarm
[21:09] <pleia2> different package (same unusual carrier)
[21:10] <knome> :D
[21:10] <ochosi> crap
[21:10] <knome> stupid carrier
[21:10] <ochosi> all the excitement for nothing!
[21:10] <knome> yes!
[21:10] <knome> this has to be the worst christmas ever!
[21:10] <pleia2> on the bright side, my portable projector has arrived, aren't you happy?
[21:10] <elfy> ha ha 
[21:10] <knome> pleia2, BOO
[21:10] <ochosi> pleia2: very.
[21:10] <pleia2> hehe
[21:11]  * knome gets the rotten tomatoes out of the cellar closet
[21:11] <dkessel> pleia2: ok, so how portable do portable projectors get these days?
[21:11] <knome> that reminds me... (follow up in #xubuntu-offtopic)
[21:11]  * ochosi considers to send pleia2 a package of surströmming labelled as "xubuntu stickers"
[21:11] <dkessel> lol
[21:12] <dkessel> ochosi: are you sure you're going to get it sent to her? it might be classified as biological weapon
[21:12] <pleia2> dkessel: for cheap, not very :)
[21:13] <pleia2> I got this one http://www.lightinthebox.com/400lm-mini-hd-home-led-projector-with-super-bright-led-technology-pc-laptop-vga-usb-sd-hdmi-uc28-gold_p1508346.html
[21:13] <knome> ochosi, uhhh... not sure if they are even letting you ship that
[21:13] <pleia2> I can hold it in one hand
[21:13] <knome> (i'm not kidding, it's probably prohibited for the explosion potential)
[21:14] <elfy> https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/europe-scandinavia-the-nordics/topics/surstromming-in-ryanair
[21:15] <dkessel> pleia2: that's not too big
[21:15] <pleia2> nah, it's ok
[21:16] <JackFrost> == A1 freeze, but if it's only our packages should still be OK. ==
[21:17] <ochosi> JackFrost: thanks for bringing us back on topic ;)
[21:18] <knome> pleia2, wow the resolution, the last time i checked (years ago) thing like that could do 800x600..
[21:18] <knome> pleia2, what's the crappy feature on that?
[21:18] <knome> i mean, it can't be that cheap unless it has something that's a bit off..
[21:19] <knome> brightness? contrast?
[21:19] <elfy> knome: it's not really gold ... 
[21:19] <ochosi> holy crap
[21:19] <knome> elfy, lol
[21:19] <ochosi> that's a lot of resolution
[21:19] <ochosi> maybe it's very loud?
[21:20] <knome> how can it be, it's so small
[21:20] <knome> :P
[21:20] <elfy> knome: you never met my ex 
[21:20] <knome> huhu, this is a logged chan :P
[21:21] <ochosi> knome: you think his ex is reading this..?
[21:21] <elfy> indeed - but she can't work websites :D
[21:21] <knome> ochosi, who knows...
[21:24] <elfy> JackFrost: did you think anymore about when meeting is? 
[21:24] <ochosi> pleia2: if it weren't too late for that, that'd be a nice christmas present...
[21:30] <JackFrost> elfy: Sounded like any time before the holiday wasn't going to work, I was trying to get feedback on when it'd be the most useful rather than running it pointlessly.
[21:30] <elfy> yep - makes sense 
[21:30] <elfy> just want to make sure we have one pre - alpha2 
[21:31] <elfy> given that the main reason for taking part in that was where systemd was - not that it would be the only reason
[21:33] <JackFrost> Right, and you wanted to run that?  So I'll need to run one before that.
[21:33] <elfy> not if there's no real need I don't :)
[21:34] <elfy> but it needs to be consensus for that I would think
[21:35] <JackFrost> 5th? :P
[21:36] <elfy> works for me - but then most days do - it's the time that causes me issues :)
[21:37] <elfy> but that said - it'd probably be good to set one that bluesabre can make
[21:37] <elfy> a discussion on yay or nay on a2 doesn't actually need me there
[21:39] <JackFrost> IMO, it should, or you should at least make a comment before hand.  Some of us run it, sure, but you're still the most "in the know".
[21:39] <JackFrost> bluesabre: So, when do you want the next meeting?
[21:40] <elfy> JackFrost: yea - I can comment of course - and will - at length - but as long as I've done that - that's not a reason to hold one I can attend :)
[21:41] <JackFrost> I should have more than a VM by then...
[22:03] <JackFrost> Hah, and now unfrozen as A1 is out.
[22:09] <JackFrost> Pinged xnox too.
[22:41] <ochosi> JackFrost: you mean about that ubiquity merge?
[22:41] <JackFrost> Da.