[00:59] <chas> Hi, I am lubuntu user myself for some years now. I want to install lxde into a frien's ubuntu 14.04LTS (sudo apt-get install lxde) but the environment is ugly compared to my beloved lubuntu
[00:59] <chas> what other packages do I need?
[01:00] <wxl> chas: why not just install lubuntu? :)
[01:00] <chas> lubuntu-desktop seems to be a lot more than what I need
[01:00] <wxl> lxde is bloaty compared to lubuntu
[01:00] <chas> he is happy with unity
[01:01] <wxl> then what does he want?
[01:02] <chas> I want him to have both unity and lxde as dm options in lightdm
[01:02] <wxl> why?
[01:02] <chas> He does now, but the default lxde is no dissapointing as-is...
[01:03] <chas> I feel he might like it better
[01:03] <chas> but I don't want to change what he has, I just want to add something else
[01:04] <chas> so he can use it whenever he feels
[01:04] <wxl> why not give him a live cd?
[01:05] <wxl> tl;dr don't know how to help you in light of ubuntu
[01:06] <chas> thanks anyway :)
[02:10] <Kamilion> chas: it's 'lubuntu-core' or 'lubuntu-desktop'
[02:11] <Kamilion> chas: the trick to getting it to start up with the lubuntu LXDE theme is:
[02:11] <Kamilion> lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
[02:11] <holstein> i think the issue is, that may ruin the unity install
[02:12] <holstein> just adding lxde would be easiest..
[02:12] <Kamilion> holstein: just installing lxde gets you the default lxde theme, which is f-gly
[02:12] <holstein> i dont go to lxde for the whizz-bang
[02:13] <holstein> i think it looks "functional" and light..
[02:13] <Kamilion> lubuntu-core will get you the 'proper' theme expected for lubuntu, versus the 'windows 95 without antialiasing' theme that lxde on it's own gives you
[02:14] <Kamilion> holstein: http://puu.sh/dAwjn/786ec154e7.png
[02:14] <Kamilion> this is what he is expecting
[02:16] <holstein> Kamilion: lol
[02:16] <holstein> Kamilion: yeah, im familiar, loosely, with lubuntu ;)
[02:16] <ianorlin> it gets wierd with the the themeing and lxqt
[02:16] <holstein> though, the issue is, when you install those meta's, it can really break the stock ubuntu setup
[02:16] <ianorlin> some theme conflicts but you can still install lxde
[02:16] <holstein> and the user doesnt want lxde or lubuntu at all..
[02:16] <ianorlin> yes that is true
[02:17] <Kamilion> oh? that's news to me
[02:17] <holstein> i can understand not wanting to break the currently enjoyed unity setup
[02:17] <chas> Kamilion: so, I installed lxde so far, and I have to add lubuntu-core now
[02:17] <Kamilion> I've had unity, kde, and the lubuntu-themed lxde on the same machine
[02:17] <holstein> sure..
[02:17] <Kamilion> but so far as I know 'lubuntu-core' should be safe enough to 'just add to the sessions list'
[02:17] <Kamilion> Oh
[02:18] <Kamilion> wait, I know what you mean now
[02:18] <JackFrost> !info lubuntu-artwork
[02:20] <chas> Kamilion: what I want is just what you have mentioned, a nice unity running 100% trouble-free + a nice lxde-a-la-lubuntu running 100% trouble-free
[02:20] <Kamilion> holstein: Well, I've been working on a *buntu spin for a xen livecd, and I got myself into some trouble last year with trying to install the lxde stuff without 'the rest of lubuntu'
[02:20] <holstein> not me
[02:20] <Kamilion> chas: haha, I too would love 'trouble free', unfortunately I live in the real world
[02:21] <holstein> i just "sudo apt-get install lxde" and use... though, i personally end up with openbox or some other setup..
[02:21] <Kamilion> holstein: the screenshot I posted is of said Xen LiveISO. :)
[02:21] <holstein> i like the live iso idea.. or vm.. i mean, "if it aint broke".. and if the user likes unity, let them use unity
[02:22] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy   <--- personally I'm going a step further... If you really want something like unity, stuff it in a VM. (imho)
[02:24] <Kamilion> I also tested windows 7, PCI passthroughing it a PCIE GPU. Couldn't tell the difference from a native win7 install for gaming, framerate benchmarks were within 1-2 FPS.
[02:25] <holstein> let us discuss in the ot channel..
[02:26] <Kamilion> *shrug* I really have no more to say at the moment.
[02:26] <holstein> !ot
[02:26] <Kamilion> sorry, but I think "lubuntu-based liveISO" is on topic enough.
[02:27] <Kamilion> but I digress and return to silence and lurking.
[04:51] <dyeomans> hello, could somebody here help me with crontab?
[04:54] <acecipher> I could maybe try?
[04:54] <ianorlin> !ask
[04:57] <dyeomans> okay, so im trying to run a bash script
[04:59] <ianorlin> you might want to give the script execute permission but make sure it isn't something malicious
[04:59] <dyeomans> there's two scripts: one opens firefox to a specific web page and starts audio-recorder, and the other stops audio-recorder and closes firefox
[05:00] <dyeomans> i gave both scripts execute permissions (sudo chmod u+x)
[05:00] <dyeomans> should they be placed in /bin ?
[05:05] <dyeomans_> oops
[05:05] <dyeomans_> browser closed by accident
[05:11] <ianorlin> you don't need them in /bin but use full paths
[05:11] <ianorlin> you will need to export environment variables to your display
[05:12] <dyeomans_> how do i do that?
[05:13] <ianorlin> export DISPLAY =:0 if you only have one monitor
[05:13] <dyeomans_> bash: export: `=:0': not a valid identifier
[05:14] <ianorlin> export $DISPLAY I mean
[05:14] <acecipher> SYSTEM VARIABLES! :P
[05:14] <dyeomans_> uhh...
[05:14] <dyeomans_> bash: export: `:0': not a valid identifier bash: export: `=:0': not a valid identifier
[05:15] <acecipher> Try it without the space?
[05:15] <ianorlin> export $DISPLAY=:0
[05:15] <dyeomans_> bash: export: `:0=:0': not a valid identifier
[05:15] <dyeomans_> >//<
[05:15] <ianorlin> wait you might already be setting that
[05:16] <dyeomans_> so do i just type export?
[05:17] <JackFrost> ianorlin: DISPLAY, not $DISPLAY.  It expands that to 'export :0 =:0' as you see above.
[05:18] <acecipher> ...ahhhh
[05:18] <dyeomans_> i typed in export DISPLAY and got nothing :S
[05:18] <acecipher> Try typing in DISPLAY=:0
[05:18] <dyeomans_> ...still nothing
[05:19] <ianorlin> it is hard to do this without seeing what you already have in the script
[05:19] <dyeomans_> want me to paste bin those?
[05:20] <ianorlin> ok
[05:21] <dyeomans_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9566693/
[05:21] <dyeomans_> pretty simple
[05:21] <dyeomans_> i've tested them on their own and they work, just not with crontab
[05:21] <dyeomans_> i've tried both crontab -e and editing /etc/crontab
[05:24] <dyeomans_> they are located in /home/dan/midnight-city
[05:25] <ianorlin> although the problem with this is with you killing firefox in this way is if you have another firefox open it would kill that
[05:25] <dyeomans_> yeah... i dont know another way of doing that, but it shouldn't really be a problem since this linux machine is just pretty much running servers
[05:26] <ianorlin> then why do you have X on it?
[05:26] <dyeomans_> X?
[05:26] <ianorlin> X11 for a GUI
[05:27] <dyeomans_> no particular reason... i do occasionally use it to look up something if im too lazy to boot up my windows PC
[05:28] <dyeomans_> i guess i'm not very clever would be the main reason :P
[05:29] <ianorlin> ah and you wouldn't be that comfortable administiring it over ssh
[05:30] <dyeomans_> i am comfortable with SSH... but i'm uncomfortable with having a black box i can't interact with directly
[05:32] <dyeomans_> anywho, X wouldn't interfere with cron right? :S
[05:32] <ianorlin> no it just makes it a bit more annoying
[05:33] <dyeomans_> how so?
[05:33] <ianorlin> as you have to set the right environment variables otherwise it will say can't open display
[05:34] <ianorlin> it is not like launhcing from an xterm
[05:34] <dyeomans_> ohh...
[05:34] <dyeomans_> so what would you recommend?
[05:35] <ianorlin> ah you would need flash to record from that site
[05:35] <dyeomans_> yes
[05:35] <ianorlin> ok that takes using a command line program out
[05:48] <wlxmhls> hello guys! how to remove 'character map' from lubuntu?
[05:48] <holstein> wlxmhls: you are trying to remove a character map?
[05:48] <ianorlin> sudo apt-get purge gucharmap from the command line or remove the gucharmap package in lubuntu-software-center or synaptic
[05:49] <ianorlin> I do like that though
[05:49] <ianorlin> get useful characters
[05:49] <holstein> and, its not saving much space to purge it..
[05:49] <ianorlin> !info gucharmap
[05:50] <ianorlin> yeah won't even get you much
[05:57] <wlxmhls> thank you all. i am a little squeamish.
[05:57] <holstein> squeamish about what?
[05:58] <wlxmhls> i want to remove all tools which I dont use.
[05:59] <holstein> wlxmhls: sure, i understand that, but, why?
[05:59] <holstein> wlxmhls: its not going to save you much space on the disk.. and they are not using resources in the background? so, why bother?
[05:59] <holstein> one might prefer starting with nothing and building up, with the mini iso..
[05:59] <holstein> !mini
[05:59] <wlxmhls> i think it is my habbit problem.
[06:00] <wlxmhls> holstein: thanks!
[06:20] <chris349> I commented out the taskbar in ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf but now the commented line is missing. How can I enable the taskbar again?
[06:21] <holstein> you can always generate a fresh config, and start there.. finding the "missing" line, and revert back to your old one
[06:22] <ianorlin> create a new user to get a copy of the desktop.conf
[06:22] <holstein> yup.. that will generate one
[06:23] <JackFrost> diff -u /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf
[06:23] <holstein> even better ^ :)
[10:23] <therue> hello
[10:26] <silverlion> o/ therue
[10:26] <therue> just installed lubuntu on vmware :D
[10:26] <silverlion> therue : and? happy?
[10:26] <therue> ya i like it
[10:27] <therue> i have used linux mint before but had some problems with it
[10:27] <therue> like everytime i load a web page in browser, the browser's cpu usage jumps up to 40% cpu usage for some reason
[10:27] <therue> but lubuntu seems very light weight
[10:27] <therue> so liking it so far
[10:27] <therue> nice and clear
[10:27] <therue> and hopefully wont have the same problem
[10:27] <therue> :)
[10:28] <silverlion> try it out
[10:28] <silverlion> I
[10:28] <silverlion> 'm running my entire hardware with it
[10:28] <silverlion> even my home-office
[10:28] <therue> i should run software & updates in Preferences right?
[10:29]  * silverlion just uses the terminal but for starters the software centre is the right place to look
[10:30] <therue> also, where can i see the drivers that are installed? i can't seem to select the right screen resolution. 1920x1080 isn't available so far
[10:31] <silverlion> vmware uses different resolutions if I recall correctly
[10:31] <silverlion> you should have a read on the internet about that
[10:31] <therue> ah ok
[10:32] <silverlion> sorry I'm currently working under windows so I've got no chance to check myself :D
[10:32] <silverlion> some things for work still need to be in windows :(
[11:47] <therue> :D
[12:56] <ignacio> Hi, I need help. The font size on my apps is too big D: is there any way to decrease it?
[12:57] <testdr> ignacio: did you controll the correct setting of the x11-server "dpi" value? What is it for what screen(you are using)?
[12:58] <ignacio> testdr, just for my laptop screen, its a VM
[13:01] <testdr> ignacio: you may need to setup the screen-hardware-emulation then -- inside linux, you can check the "dots per inch" settings in the output of "xdpyinfo" (run in a terminal)
[13:06] <ignacio> testdr, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9569624/
[13:11] <testdr> ignacio: already said it - change your vm-settings or try to change the "dots-per-inch" (?to 92x92 instead of this large values) with tools like xrandr (there should be info available how to use it)
[13:12] <ignacio> testdr, thanks you for the help! :)
[13:13] <testdr> ignacio: if not already found, for example:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/197828/how-to-find-and-change-the-screen-dpi
[15:33] <teward> silverlion: (really old scrollback poke regarding the VMware issue) vmware allows any resolution that the system drivers can support - it's possible to restrict based on the VM environment settings but in a default VM setup it can go even beyond the screen res for the host system
[15:43] <silverlion> teward, thanks for the heads up
[18:56] <yeehi> Is there an RSS feed for the images by which we may automatically download and seed new torrents? What is its URL?
[19:15] <ianorlin> yeehiL images for releases or what?
[19:16] <ianorlin> you mean the releases of like alpha and beta and final relaeses I am not sure there is
[19:17] <ianorlin> I think that would be a good idea to have an rss feed
[19:21] <ianorlin> I sadly think there isn't one
[19:24] <ianorlin> yeehi_: I don't think there is one but I am not quite sure where to put a feature request in for it
[19:28] <ianorlin> argh doesn't have a mailing list
[19:29] <yeehi_> ianorlin, yes, RSS for ISO images of Lubuntu distro
[19:30] <yeehi_> ianorlin, if you could request this RSS feature, that would be great. I don't think it would be hard to implement.
[20:24] <jer_> hi all !
[20:25] <silverlion> o/
[23:20] <Trickster1> hello all
[23:20] <silverlion> o/
[23:21] <Trickster1> someone know why on lubuntu my /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart is totally empty ? ^^
[23:22] <Trickster1> because it is supposed to have my program when i start my pc
[23:23] <wxl> Trickster1: see ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[23:24] <Trickster1> it is not for lubuntu 14.10 ? i have lubuntu 14.04
[23:24] <Trickster1> i will check it
[23:24] <wxl> anything outside of home is global, but most configs happen user-specific
[23:25] <Trickster1> euh it is empty too :x
[23:26] <Trickster1> i open the leafpad and for both it is empty
[23:26] <wxl> did your program open automatically?
[23:27] <Trickster1> i have some programs since i install lubuntu last week like kvirc, chrome, and other stuff but i don't need to have program start actually
[23:27] <Trickster1> but my file doesn't supposed to be empty ? right ?
[23:28] <wxl> unless you set it up otherwise
[23:29] <Trickster1> because when i go in lxs session in the menu autostart i still have pulse audio, network and updater for the starter
[23:29] <Trickster1> but in the file i have nothing
[23:29] <wxl> not strange
[23:29] <Trickster1> LXsession configuration sorry
[23:30] <Trickster1> that show the program graphically that supposed to be launch on the start
[23:30] <Trickster1> and thoses programmes start well when i enter in my session but the file is empty ...