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bashrcmorning09:01
plasmaxboxman what the hell09:02
plasmaxboxsudo fsck -b 98304 -L bad-blocks /dev/sda09:03
plasmaxboxfsck from util-linux 2.20.109:03
plasmaxboxe2fsck 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014)09:03
plasmaxboxfsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda09:03
zmoylan-pinot good09:03
plasmaxboxnope09:03
zmoylan-pibackup?09:03
plasmaxboxwill not work on any supa block its my cloud nas drive09:04
plasmaxboxsudo e2fsck /dev/sda09:04
plasmaxboxe2fsck 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014)09:04
plasmaxboxext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block09:04
plasmaxboxe2fsck: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...09:04
plasmaxboxe2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda09:04
awilkinsThat's not a happy filesystem09:07
plasmaxboxModel: ATA WDC WD30EFRX-68E (scsi)09:09
plasmaxboxDisk /dev/sda: 3001GB09:09
plasmaxboxSector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B09:09
plasmaxboxPartition Table: gpt09:09
plasmaxboxNumber  Start   End     Size    File system  Name     Flags09:09
plasmaxbox 3      15.7MB  528MB   513MB                primary09:09
plasmaxbox 1      528MB   2576MB  2048MB  ext3         primary  raid09:09
plasmaxbox 2      2576MB  4624MB  2048MB  ext3         primary  raid09:09
plasmaxbox 5      4624MB  4724MB  99.6MB               primary09:09
plasmaxbox 6      4724MB  4824MB  101MB                primary09:09
plasmaxbox 7      4824MB  4826MB  1049kB               primary09:09
plasmaxbox 8      4826MB  4828MB  2097kB               primary09:09
plasmaxbox 4      4828MB  3001GB  2996GB  ext4         primary09:09
awilkinsplasmaxbox, Whoa, hold on09:13
awilkinsYou're trying to fsck the whole disk09:13
ali1234fsck on /dev/sda?09:13
awilkinsfsck the partitions, not the whole disk09:13
ali1234the partition table appears to contain nonsense anyway09:13
ali1234likely mangled by previous fsck attempts09:14
awilkinsI dunno, I've seen some pretty stupid looking partition tables that worked just fune09:14
awilkinsThat one is a bit wacky though09:15
ali1234partitions beyond the end of the disk though?09:15
awilkinsAh yes09:15
ali1234last time i tried that i heard the read head slamming against the side of the case09:15
awilkinsThat's pretty screwed up09:15
plasmaxboxits gpt system and has a raid on the first 2 parttions09:15
awilkinsOk, so partitions 1 and 2 might still be OK <cross fingers>09:16
awilkinsBut you're running fsck against the whole disk as a block device, which isn't going to work09:16
ali1234oh wait, those values are MB not GB09:16
awilkins/dev/sda1 not /dev/sda09:16
ali1234that's even more bizarre, but whatever09:16
awilkinsYeah, that last partition is pretty big09:16
awilkinsWhy the tiny 2GB RAID?09:17
plasmaxboxhttps://drive.google.com/?authuser=0#folders/0B_6OlQ_H0PxVRXF4aFpYS2dzMEE09:17
plasmaxboxit runs arm linux09:17
awilkinsAre  1 and 2 mirrors of the same filesystem?09:18
plasmaxboxive done the hole thing the disk f/s is intact09:18
awilkinsOr are they different file systems?09:18
plasmaxboxawilkins, indeed09:18
awilkinsRIght, so there will be another device that is NOT a raw disk that represents that filesystem (if it's mounted)09:18
awilkinsDoing operations on one half of a RAID mirror will screw it up09:18
awilkinsdo `mount -l `09:19
plasmaxboxno matter its screwed anyway09:19
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:20
plasmaxboxi have the img file to replace the hole disk setup anywho09:20
plasmaxboxit just has bad blocks09:20
plasmaxboxand i cant update it09:20
ali1234then you can't use an image file09:20
ali1234what you need to do instead is tell the HD to reallocate the bad blocks09:21
knightwisehey everyone :)09:22
davmor2Morning bigcalm09:22
davmor2morning knightwise09:22
davmor2morning everyone else09:22
knightwiseCould I have your opinion on something ?09:22
davmor2No09:23
davmor2:)09:23
knightwiseI would like to setup an owncloud server ,but i'm not sure what the best way to go is.09:23
knightwiseI have a router from my ISP,09:23
knightwiseand it does NAT and hands out 192 range addresses09:23
knightwisebecause i don't trust them I have my own router setup behind it , behind which I have my personal network 172 *** range09:24
knightwiseNow I want to run owncloud as a vm on my home server (in the 172***) range09:24
bashrcthere is an Owncloud variant of Freedombone09:24
knightwiseThis server has 2 network cards. (one Wifi , one wired)09:24
knightwiseThe wired one is connected to the 172*** network09:24
knightwisewould it be better to : A09:25
foobarryhas anyone had  recruiter emails from google lately?09:25
knightwiseHost the Owncloud machine on a vm in the 172*** network and forward a port from my router09:25
davmor2foobarry: no09:25
ali1234foobarry: i had one about 4 months ago09:25
foobarryi wondered what the text in the email was,09:25
foobarrydo they copy paste the same guff every time?09:26
knightwiseOR to connect up the second network card of my server to the 192*** network and connect the Owncloud VM via that card.09:26
ali1234hang on09:26
knightwise(making my server multihomed but NOT forwarding any ports through my router)09:26
bashrcknightwise: see the install_owncloud function to get some idea of how to configure it with nginx https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bashrc/freedombone/master/install-freedombone.sh09:26
ali1234foobarry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9568144/09:28
bashrcI had a Google recruiter email about a year ago. If they had sent it years earlier I would have paid attention, but I don't have much interest in them now and am becoming more anti-Google09:28
davmor2knightwise: just see if their router has a dmz if it does point it to your router, then on the dmz for your router point it to the server you want to run own cloud on09:28
foobarryali1234: thanks. thats a different text.09:28
knightwiseso its safer to do a double nat then to multi home my Server to connect the Owncloud VM directly to the 192 network ?09:28
foobarryi think the google emails are just invitation to apply09:29
foobarryrather than invitation to interview09:29
foobarryhence the same chance as applying "cold"09:29
foobarryi have a family, so i try to be productive between 9-5 and then go home09:30
foobarryso working at google probably wouldn't fit that idea09:30
bashrcdo Googlers not work 9-5?09:31
knightwisebashrc : i'm installing Owncloud from a Turnkey Vm.09:31
foobarryits probably frowned upon09:31
knightwisebashrc Google is the nicest looking concentration camp workplace there is09:31
foobarryfrom my previous years in the city, i used to work much longer than contracted hrs09:31
awilkinsI bet they have an opt-out-of-European working time directive clause in the contract09:31
foobarryespecially when food is prvoided onsite09:32
awilkinsFood, laundry, massages09:32
awilkinsTHere were googlers who took to living in the car park in an RV09:32
foobarrybreakfast lunch and tea09:32
awilkinsThe only thing they couldn't get was shampoo09:32
bashrcI don't disagree with Google's workplaces - they are apparently quite cushy - it's more that I don't like the spying business model, the total lack of interest in securing email, the "real names" debacle and such09:33
foobarrymeh09:33
awilkinsIf I was younger, and if there was still a chance of big fat stock options, I'd go for it09:33
foobarryethically i am ok with google.09:33
awilkinsBut there isn't anymore. No more tales of company massage therapists that got millions in stock09:33
foobarrynot ok with cig and gambling companies09:33
bashrcI don't htink I'd want to be a cog in the spy machine09:33
foobarryi'd even work for gchq if they paid more than pittance. i hear its worse than som epublic sector roles09:34
knightwiseAny final opinions on my setup ? Do I Forward a port to my owncloud VM in my LAN , or Do I Multi Home my VM Hypervisor to have one card in my LAN and one card in my DMZ ?09:35
foobarrywhen i've been the all knowing sysadmin in medium sized business, i've been the spy09:35
foobarryin effect, since i had control over internet and email data09:35
foobarrythats the sysadmins job :D09:35
awilkinsMy old office (gov org, but not any kind of high-security place) was snooping everything09:36
awilkinsI mean EVERYTHING - MITM SSL proxy with locally install root CA09:37
bashrcpersonally I wouldn't want to sell out like that, but everyone has their own beliefs/priorities09:37
awilkinsInternal chat server09:37
awilkinsAnd the icing on the cake, they were running all our phone calls through a SIGINT program09:37
foobarrydepends on yr def of selling out09:38
foobarrymy wife would think working at a newspaper (partic. the guardian) is selling out09:39
awilkinsWhy particularly the Guardian?09:41
awilkinsI would have thought that was the least odious?09:42
foobarrysome personal reasons involving some spiteful libel involving a family member that couldn't be fought09:42
foobarryand also their world view stinks a bit09:42
foobarryas do all newspapers09:43
awilkinsOccupational hazard really. Ex-wife is a paediatric oncologist. Sees scary childhood illness behind every sniffle.09:43
* knightwise loves Xforwarding09:43
directhexhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRxcSNaVCPA09:48
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy Underdog Day! :-D09:53
nigelbI need a JamesTait API.09:53
nigelbto tell me which day it is :D09:53
JamesTaitnigelb, I'm hoping to implement a REST API over the Christmas period. ;)09:54
nigelb:D09:54
* awilkins may get as far as REST10:02
JamesTaitawilkins, I'm sincerely hoping I make it that far.10:04
plasmaxboxsudo fsck -L baddbadd /dev/md12710:04
plasmaxbox booo10:04
bigcalmdirecthex: nice vid10:05
bigcalmThe bass sounds good with my soundbar :)10:05
JamesTaitjamestait.rest(days=17)10:06
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:16
davmor2bigcalm: I thought you weren't allowed a soundbar10:19
zmoylan-pihe told them it was a defective toblerone :-P10:19
bigcalmdavmor2: not in the sittingroom. I have one in my office10:20
davmor2bigcalm: man you need help if you can't convince the woman you love to move it into the livingroom10:21
bigcalmWah, I'm keeping my soundbar10:23
awilkinsDoes it provide good positional separation for games10:23
awilkinsWhat I want in a sound system ; 1) Good 3D positional location  2) Can plug in a headset without crawling around the back of the PC10:24
awilkins(before you say "plug it into the front panel" the front panel sockets have TERRIBLE crosstalk with the motherboard traces)10:24
bigcalmI just listen to music on mine and it's connected via fibre optic10:44
awilkinsI think I have a FO connector10:47
awilkinsThere are gaming peripheral companies selling soundbars...10:48
awilkinsWhich probably means they are not very good soundbars with a pretty logo...10:48
diddledanmorning11:01
diddledaninstagram has had an instapurge - apparently people who paid for subscribers are angered at the loss of subscribers they paid for12:01
DJones....people pay to be spammed/spam other people....?12:02
bashrcsadly, paying for subscribers/followers/likes seems to be a thing12:04
bashrchence unpopular organisations can appear popular online12:04
diddledanbashrc, and celebrities12:04
bashrcyes12:04
diddledanjustin beiber lost 3.5million subscribers overnight12:05
bashrc:)12:05
DJonesSome people are just mugs12:06
diddledanlike justin beiber - believing those 3.5 million were real people12:07
diddledanI mean does he really think he's popular enough to have that many in the first place?12:07
diddledanI really shouldn't be mean about him, but he is a moron afterall12:08
DJonesI doubt it, probably doesn't even know what instagram is, just pays a PR Manager to spam his face everywhere12:08
diddledanI don't even get what it is he's supposed to be famous for12:10
awilkins"Singing", allegedly12:10
awilkinsI think he's supposed to be famous because his sponsors paid heavily to make it happen12:11
awilkinsMaybe Miley Cyrus' meltdown is basically her bid for freedom12:11
awilkinsIf she's no longer commercially viable she can relax with her millions12:11
diddledanif miley is no longer viable it's her own doing by trying to be "outragous"12:12
DJonesEgg throwing, drink driving, taking drugs, resisting arrest, dangerous driving12:13
DJonesBasically being a pratt12:13
diddledanshe was fine when she was owned by disney because they wouldn't let her go off the rails12:13
diddledanthen she decided to dress like a prostitute and seduce men old enough to be her grandad live on stage12:14
DJonesdiddledan: That'll have changed now, don't forget they've just bought the rights to a cold blooded murder...Han shot first :)12:14
diddledanlol12:15
awilkinsDisney doesn't have a good record for sane child stars12:15
awilkinsMiley. Lindsey.12:15
diddledanI'm not sure how I feel about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11VGDAOVEag12:17
DJonesHeh, googling "disney stars gone bad" brings this up http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2014/06/13-disney-stars-gone-wild-when-good-kids-go-bad/12:17
awilkinsBritney. Zac.12:17
diddledanwow that picture of lindsey is bad12:19
diddledanshe looks ancient12:19
awilkinsShe's the one I actually think is the biggest shame. Wasn't a terrible actress12:20
diddledandear god, number 9 in the list12:21
bashrcAre there any Disney child stars who remained sane?12:21
diddledanbrian bonsall12:21
awilkinsThere's another article for ones that didn't go mad12:21
awilkinshttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/03/good-disney-stars_n_4538410.html12:22
DJoneshttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/03/good-disney-stars_n_4538410.html12:22
awilkinsheheheh12:22
DJonesWas just looking at that12:22
DJonesIts interesting that all the stars going bad/not going bad are from the late 80's/90's and onwards12:22
ali1234disney only made cartoons before that12:34
DJonesGood point, that said, even the cartoon voices went bad, Peter Pan's voice ended up a drug addict & in jail and died young due to effects of long term drug abuse12:40
DJonesNot just a new phenomenan anyway, probably just a case of a lot of people in the public life getting taken along & losing track of whats important12:42
DJonesali1234: Did you see the video of Notch's new house12:44
DJonesSpending his Microsoft money http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/132105-take-a-look-inside-the-70-million-la-mansion-minecraft-paid-for-it-ll-blow-you-away12:44
ali1234yeah but nobody would recognise the peter pan voice actor if you put their picture on a website so.......12:44
DJonesCan't argue with that12:45
ali1234i wouldn't buy that house12:47
ali1234it's like a car showroom12:47
DJonesIt looks nice, but a bit too "shiny" for my liking12:48
ali1234i mean, i might buy it as an investment, but i wouldn't live in it12:48
ali1234i would rent it out to rockstars with more money than sense12:49
DJonesI don't think I'd let rockstars in without a very large security deposit to cover the cost of repairs when they leave12:50
ali1234that goes without saying12:50
ali1234that's where you'd make most of the money12:50
DJones3 month rental, 9 month rebuild period and start again12:51
ali1234i reckon you oculd turn it around faster than that12:51
ali1234i mean you can pretty much remove the windows and just sweep everything outside and off the cliff12:53
DJones:)12:54
diddledanI think I might pop over the cafe and order a burger and chips13:01
* diddledan like having a cafe over the courtyard from me13:01
brobostigon:)13:04
awilkinsMan likes his Bond. And jellybeans.13:05
awilkinsIs that a Rolls Royce like Goldfinger has in his garage?13:06
diddledansweet13:21
diddledanmy boss decided I was worth a bonus13:21
diddledanI wasn't expecting one because I'm freelance13:22
awilkinsProbably more likely to get one because you're freelance13:27
awilkinsDon't have to give bonuses to the wage slaves, they get to _keep their job_ that's their bonus13:27
diddledanteehee13:28
popeyMorning all.13:50
bashrcmorning popey13:51
foobarrytried making a tree: http://imgur.com/kebjMDv14:01
foobarryrelevant since it's made of of copper from cat5 cable14:02
foobarrycovered in plaster, then painted14:02
ali1234was expecting a christmas tree14:06
foobarrysorry to disappoint :D14:06
ali1234what is that green stuff?14:06
foobarrywoodland scenics foliage.14:07
foobarryits part done14:07
foobarrygonna fill it out properly but the glue is not very sticky14:07
* popey just got a fruit hamper in the post \o/14:11
popey(also contains booze)14:11
bashrcnice14:12
foobarrygonna add the tree to my dio http://imgur.com/bs52EiU14:12
foobarrypopey: from an admirer?14:12
bashrcSo are UbuntuPhones going to be shipping in 2015?14:12
DJoneshttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february14:13
popeyfrom my dads widow14:13
foobarrythats nice14:13
popeyyeah, fresh stuff for mulled wine recpipe too14:13
popey-typo14:13
diddledanpopey, window?14:27
diddledanbad typo if so :-p14:27
diddledanyour dad might wonder why you've suddenly killed him off14:27
diddledanmicrosoft's latest communications seem to echo google's material styling14:29
diddledanI wonder who was first14:29
diddledanseems bold colours and solid blocks are the rule du jour14:29
diddledanrounded corners seem to have been forgotten14:30
diddledanhttp://www.bbc.com/news/technology-3053919815:22
dvrrhow to redirect  example.com to www.example.com ubuntu   please guide me15:23
diddledanerr15:23
diddledanyou don't own example.com15:24
diddledanand you need to specify what you want to be redirected15:25
MartijnV1Swho? what?15:25
diddledani.e. what protocol15:25
diddledanyes, and as MartijnV1S asks, who do you want to redirect15:26
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MartijnVdSI think I'm only seeing one side of a conversation15:26
diddledanoh15:27
diddledan[15:23:42] <dvrr> how to redirect  example.com to www.example.com ubuntu   please guide me15:27
diddledanthat's what I'm replying to15:27
diddledando you have him ignored?15:27
diddledanit wouldn't surprise me if you do15:27
dvrrexample.com some functionalities  not working15:28
diddledandvrr, you don't own example.com15:28
dvrrno15:28
dvrrexample15:28
diddledandvrr, so you can't do anything with it15:28
dvrrin mydomain   with out  www  some functionalities  not working15:29
dvrrtomcat  server15:29
diddledandvrr, I think you need to find a document that explains how to ask for help15:31
diddledandvrr, this is a good document: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html15:32
ali1234duh, it's an example15:34
diddledandvrr, in response to my assumption that you want some http page to redirect to another http page then you need to return a response code of "301" or "302" to the browser from the server/app15:34
ali1234http://serverfault.com/questions/262927/apache-tomcat-url-without-app-name15:35
diddledanIMO obscuring details of a request for help is never useful - the only time it is ok to do so is when removing a password or other credentials that are supposed to be secrert15:39
diddledandomain names are public so there's no reason to keep them secret15:40
diddledanif you're worried about them being logged in a public forum then too late. they're in whois already.15:43
MartijnVdSalso explain what you've already tried15:46
MartijnVdSand what the effect was (and waht you expected it to do)15:46
diddledanwhat I expected it to do: "not fail"15:47
diddledan:-p15:47
TwistedLucidityWhy come to an Ubuntu forum to get help with Apache (Java) Tomcat.....?15:47
ali1234"hi, how do i make my website work when i got to example.com instead of www.example.com. i tried going to example.com but it didn't work. i expected it to work"15:47
diddledanali1234, that's a completely unhelpful question15:47
ali1234"my website uses apache tomcat"15:48
ali1234this is exactly the question that was asked, and it's enough information to give a partial answer15:48
TwistedLucidityYou put an Apache server in front of Tomact and have it re-write the URL. <- One way15:48
ali1234TwistedLucidity: right, and that's exactly what the stack exchange question i posted says15:48
TwistedLucidityali1234: Ha ha ha! Not read it yet, just went with the most obvious answer15:49
TwistedLucidityIt's one of these things. It's very easy, but can get very complicated depending on how things are set-up.15:49
TwistedLuciditydiddledan: They're in whois with your home address too, unless you're using domain privacy15:53
ali1234unless you are working on someone else's server15:53
TwistedLucidityOr a company15:53
diddledanyes, this is true - and expands my point15:53
TwistedLucidityali1234: That too. "Sure, I can fix that. Pay me $quillions"...5 minutes later..."Uh, IRC peeps who do I...?" :-)15:54
diddledanadele dazeem and some bubbles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bbuBubZ1yE16:29
diddledan.. and some dancing kids16:30
daftykinsclosed it :P16:45
diddledandammit, I'm sat in the dark again16:51
daftykins:D16:52
daftykinsno sign of my Sopranos bluray set yet16:52
daftykinshow will i have fun with makemkv over the Christmas period if it doesn't arrive in time? ;)16:52
diddledan:-p16:53
popeyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-3055599716:53
diddledanpopey, I've been waiting for a linkable story about that16:54
awilkinsHold on, didn't I see something earlier that said that they DIDN'T have evidence that NK did it?16:54
diddledanpopey, rory cellen jones tweeted earlier but the beeb hadn't written it up16:54
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bashrcI think it's very unlikely to be NK. The trolls know that if they push certain buttons US bigwigs go insane16:55
diddledan"White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters US officials had held daily discussions about the Sony cyber-attack and were considering an "appropriate response"."16:59
bashrcI think it's more likely to be Anonymous or a related group trolling Sony17:00
ali1234the sheer volume of data indicates an inside job17:00
diddledanali1234, several security bloggers have suggested that as a theory too17:01
bashrcmore money for cybercommand?17:01
diddledanI say we should declare cyber-war17:01
diddledanI want there to be hackers in a darkened bunker furiously typing at keyboards in attempt to defend in real-time as well as launch cyber-nukes17:02
bashrcheh17:02
intrbizali1234: or just a totally negligent piss poort job at security17:02
ali1234my guess would be NK sleeper agents infiltrating corporate IT17:03
bashrcwhat you mean is military personnel who have been trained to use metasploit17:03
diddledanintrbiz, I think piss poor security has been overshadowed by the sheer volume of exfiltrated data17:03
diddledanbashrc, yeah17:03
intrbizdiddledan: indeed17:04
bashrcyes, hte biggest foe here is really just Sony's security cluelessness17:04
ali1234if it actually was a sleeper then they would know, but they wouldn't tell you17:04
ali1234mainly cos the guy would now have mysteriously vanished17:04
awilkinsNaah, for my money it's another Bradley or Snowden17:05
ali1234but tracking through employee records takes time17:05
diddledanbashrc, there obviously needs to be an underground movement of civilian hackers living in abandoned warehouses equipped with high-end computer equipemnt and internet links who are working to prevent both sides from killing normal people17:05
bashrcI suspect that whoever is behind it is just playing the NK angle for the lulz17:05
diddledanthe said warehouses need to be wired to self-destruct, obviously17:05
awilkinsI bet the whole naked actresses thing was just a sysadmin at Apple who had access to their cloud storage and a penchant for naked actresses17:05
ali1234the FBI wouldn't say it's definitely NK if they had zero evidence17:05
ali1234they are not politicians17:05
bashrcthey wouldn't say there were WMD if they had zero evidence either17:06
ali1234plus nobody actually wants to start a war with NK, there's no point17:06
awilkinsWas just going to say that. Oh snap.17:06
awilkinsWTH...  no point to war?17:06
diddledanbashrc, they had evidence provided by the security services - the evidence was false17:06
awilkinsOf course there are people that want to start a war with NK17:06
awilkinsOr anyone17:06
diddledan"sexy evidence"17:07
ali1234no, there arent, not unless you are a crazy conspiracy theorist17:07
diddledanI want to take evidence to bed17:07
awilkinsIt's not crazy at all17:07
awilkinsThere's always a motive for war - people make lots of money17:07
ali1234they wouldn't make lots of money in a war against NK17:07
awilkinsOf course they would17:07
diddledanthe government won't17:08
awilkinsMuch of the money is made just supplying combat troops with the things they need to have a base17:08
ali1234no it isn't. the money is made rebuilding the country afterwards17:08
bashrcmoney goes round in a circle between government and subcontractors17:08
awilkinsNK is already broken17:08
ali1234if the country has no money and no natural resources that isn't possible17:08
diddledanor in this case, it wouldn't be REbuild, just build17:08
diddledanthe only infrastructure in NK is government self perpetuation17:09
diddledanthe civil society doesn't have squat17:09
bashrcIt's hard to know what capability NK had, but they don't seem very technologically sophisticated in terms of internet17:10
awilkinsCIA world factbook on NK : mining (coal, iron ore, limestone, magnesite, graphite, copper, zinc, lead, and precious metals)17:10
awilkinsThere must be a load of underexploited resources there17:10
ali1234i don't see oil in that list17:10
ali1234the rest are meh17:10
ali1234not to mention that war against NK would really piss off china17:11
awilkinsThey don't export or produce oil or natural gas17:11
ali1234and you don't want to go there17:11
awilkinsDoesn't mean there isn't any17:11
ali1234the US isn't going to invade a country on the basis that they don't know for sure there's no oil under it17:12
diddledansurely they wouldn't invade if they were sure, would they? :-p17:13
ali1234north korea basically only exists because it is incredibly inhospitable and nobody else wants it17:14
awilkinsInvading countries on the basis of oil wasn't for the oil17:14
awilkinsIt was to stop them trading oil in Euro17:14
bashrcTrying to invade NK would be dumb. They failed the last time17:14
awilkinsIran makes noises about trading oil in Euro - OH suddenly the US hates you again17:14
awilkinsIf people start wanting the value back for all those dollars they trade oil with, the US is stick-a-fork-in-it done17:15
awilkinsIraq was nothing special in terms of oil production, but Saddam wanted to trade it for Euros17:16
diddledanhttp://jalopnik.com/dopey-old-couple-almost-dies-after-13-hours-trapped-in-167283289217:18
diddledanwhy does the bbc news homepage not provide any way to get a live stream of news24?17:21
ali1234it does17:21
diddledanwhere?17:21
ali1234right on the front page17:21
ali1234http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ on the right17:22
ali1234"LIVE BBC News Channel"17:22
diddledannope17:22
ali1234it probably thinks you aren't in the uk17:23
awilkinshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/17:24
diddledanawilkins, that's not live17:25
awilkinsSays 172417:25
awilkinsIT's about a minute behind by my clock17:25
diddledanerr. all I get is a listing of videos and it autoplays "one-minute world news"17:26
awilkinsGuess it thinks you're a forner then17:26
diddledanwhich is .. 1 minute .. not live17:26
diddledanhttps://twitter.com/atanas/status/545681872333078528/photo/118:27
DJonesdiddledan: I saw that earlier today, google.co.uk puts convert to mp3 in itunes in 3rd place with no mention of pdf18:39
ali1234okay this is really impressive: i can now detect if user unplugs the controller while in game, pause the game, and wait for them to plug the controller back in and press start, for multiple players simultaneously19:00
ali1234and they can also press start on any controller than isn't already in use19:01
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diddledanyou probably saw this already, but: http://gizmodo.com/nasa-emailed-a-new-wrench-to-the-iss-167321359719:51
m0nkey_Heh, did you know what was the first part they printed?19:55
m0nkey_A replacement part for the printer19:55
diddledanlol20:18
diddledanwas it broken?20:18
zmoylan-piin defiance of all logic it was shipped with one part too few? :-)20:20
diddledanzmoylan-pi, it was ikea20:20
diddledanmicrosoft are the good guys in this: http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/security-software/brendan-morgan/hello-this-is-microsoft-suing-tech-support-scammers/20:24
diddledanI'm glad they're taking legal action20:24
diddledanI don't care what anyone thinks of microsoft, scammers duping your parents into giving their cc details is a bad thing no matter what operating system they use20:25
zmoylan-piis ms not responsible for the low level of security in their os?  nice to see them targeting scammers though20:27
diddledanit's not a security issue - the scammers get the user to give them access20:29
zmoylan-piif the os were more secure they wouldn't have the whole security risks popping up on news making it easier for scammers20:31
zmoylan-pinon techies always feel they're one click away from complete muck up on windows20:33
zmoylan-pialso a lot of non techies... :-)20:33
diddledanthe security of windows has nothing to do with the media coverage. it's all about numbers - windows has many users, therefore there's more people doing bad things to windows than other systems, therefore more makes the news - severe problems in non-windows makes the news, too - poodle. heartbleed. bash. just this year. that is actually more newsworthy things that I recall for non-windows than for windows.20:36
ali1234poodle?20:36
diddledanali1234, a different ssl bug to heartbleed - turn off ssl3 please.20:37
shaunothis year's been so weird that they had a nickname for 'grinch' before they had a bug  (and still don't have a bug ..)20:38
zmoylan-pihumans are terrible at judging risks.  they see and hear problems with windows and assume all problems are with windows.  biggest os problems :-/20:39
diddledanshauno, what's grinch?20:39
diddledanok, I found a google20:40
shaunopackagekit allows users to install a package without needing sudo20:41
shauno(*if* they're logged in locally, are in the wheel group, and the package is in a trusted repo)20:41
shaunowhich is both a) the latest vuln with a catchy nickname, and b) by design20:41
shaunobasically, someone found something which isn't actually a bug, and took it the PR-route first.  it's pretty funny :)20:44
ali1234packagekit lets you install without sudo but it still asks for your password using pkexec20:45
ali1234unless you configured it not to, but then you could also configure your user account to have root access20:45
diddledanis pkexec effectively a cut-down sudo?20:46
ali1234sort of20:46
ali1234it is kind of like app armor with capabilities though20:46
ali1234it's another example where unix user accounts just aren't good enough :P20:47
diddledanteehee20:47
diddledantouché20:47
diddledan:-p20:47
diddledanI deserved that! :-D20:47
ali1234well, it's true20:48
ali1234that's why gksudo doens't ship any more20:48
ali1234everything has to move to pkexec20:48
ali1234for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/127009020:48
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1270090 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "time-admin can not install ntp" [Medium,Confirmed]20:48
diddledanI guess I'm just so used to the user-account way that I can't really appreciate how another system would work.20:49
ali1234i just converted this from a crufty exec "gksudo synaptic --install <packages>" to using packagekit20:49
diddledanI'm a closed-minded fool :-p20:49
ali1234because gksudo isn't shipped any more, so it's been broken for ages20:49
diddledanoh dear20:49
ali1234only xubuntu still uses it though20:49
diddledanooh, the bug got some activity 7 days ago with a patch - maybe a dev will do an SRU20:53
ali1234yeah that was me20:53
diddledanha20:53
diddledanaha**20:53
diddledanjust waiting on the sponsors then - well done :-)20:54
ali1234it's in the sponsor queue now. dunno if it will be SRU'd but should be fixed in the next release20:54
diddledanmight be worth checking if (I assume it does) it affects utopic and plop the utopic tag on to raise a bit of visibility20:55
ali1234it definitely does20:55
ali1234but it needs to go into vivid first before it can be SRU'd20:56
diddledanthere, I added utopic to the bug tags anyway :-p20:56
diddledanI've just discovered the wordpress jetpack tie-in with wordpress.com - it's pretty sweet21:15
directhexyeah, it's awesomne21:26
directhexonly site metrics plugin with 0 overhead21:26
diddledanspecifically the wordpress.com hosted dashboard is pretty sweet21:26
diddledanI've been using jetpack's social sharing thing for some time, but just tried out the wordpress.com admin area21:27
diddledanI think I'm using a couple other features but can't remember what they were=21:27
bigcalm!info gpref21:27
lubotu3Package gpref does not exist in utopic21:28
diddledanhaha21:28
diddledan:-p21:28
diddledanyou suck! :-D21:28
bigcalmhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gperf says otherwise21:28
diddledanthat's because fingers21:28
bigcalmIndeed21:28
DJonesbigcalm: gpref != gperf21:29
bigcalmQuite, spelling fixes all21:29
diddledanDJones, unless you're using php and it implicitly converts to int21:29
DJonesdiddledan: Last programming I did was using cobol/dbase so probably not quite relevant21:30
diddledane.g. 0 + gpref == gperf (TRUE)21:30
diddledangpref + 0 == gperf (not sure)21:31
diddledantry it and see21:31
diddledan:-p21:31
diddledanthis isn't factually accurate: http://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/teenage-brain-breakdown.jpg21:48
diddledanthe teenage male nerd thinks about females and female superheroes aggragely the same amount of time or more than the average teenage male thinks about females21:49
diddledanaggregately**21:49
diddledanspeaking of which, I'm now thinking of female superheroes21:50
diddledanthank you internet!21:50
intrbizdiddledan: I must admit comicbooks are something I've never dedicated much brain power too, I guess I'm not an average nerd or an average male22:12
diddledanintrbiz, me either. I think that's the difference between nerd and geek?22:12
diddledanI self ascribe to geekdom22:12
intrbizdiddledan: sounds plausable22:12
diddledanat school everyone called me "boffin" tho, but I'm unsure where that falls on the spectrum22:13
intrbizdiddledan: boffin sounds kinda cool, I have no issue with people calling me that22:14
intrbizdiddledan: people just used to call me eccentric22:15
diddledanlol22:15
intrbizwell, the polite ones anyway22:15
mappshi all22:16
shaunoI always figured comic books were more an american thing22:22
intrbizpossibly, japanese too?22:23
shaunoI mean they're not exactly clamoring to get the beano into the latest films22:24
zmoylan-pi2000ad was a great uk comic in 70s and 80s22:24
diddledanshauno, the 90s had "dennis" which was terrible22:24
intrbizshauno: indeed, i guess UK comic books seem more about comedy, where as american comic books seem about superheros22:25
shaunoI think that's kinda cultural too22:26
shaunothey have a whole "if you try hard enough you'll be a millionaire" culure.  anyone can be the president, etc22:27
diddledanif you try hard enough you can fly?22:27
diddledanor.. if you try hard enough you can shoot frickin laser beams from your eyes?22:28
shaunowhich is also why their poorer classes are so down-trodden.  they're so hooked on this dream that they'll be the next millionaire, that they vote in favour of the millionaires22:29
intrbizthere is the concept of the 'american dream' dating back to the frist settlers22:30
shaunoI think it was a lot more true then though22:30
shaunoyou want 50 acres?  go claim it.  you want gold?  go dig it.22:31
intrbizshauno: sure22:31
diddledanwant to be fireproof? just try harder.22:38
diddledan:-p22:38
shaunoso uhm - someone's finally making an ubuntu phone?22:41
diddledanbbq22:41
diddledanas in a tasty family meal of burnt burgers22:41
diddledanhttps://www.cloudflare.com/case-studies-christmas22:43
intrbizbut will people buy it, that is the question22:46
shaunoI'm kinda tempted out of nosiness22:46
shaunodepends what the price with no contract is, because I don't intend on actually putting a sim in it22:47
diddledanit's aparently a "mid-range" phone22:47
diddledanshauno, it has two sim slots you can not put one into22:47
diddledanthis is funny: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryanmillssecurity22:54
intrbizdiddledan: however one is 2G only I believe22:56
diddledanoh22:57
intrbizso 3G on one SIM, 2G on the other22:57
diddledanoh dear, israel and hamas are at it again23:05
diddledanhttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-3055892223:06
shauno30558922nd war in the middle east?  I'm tempted to believe that url :)23:06
diddledanlol23:08
zmoylan-pithere's only ever been 1 war in the middle east, it just has lulls and pauses23:10
intrbizsadly, with little end in site23:10
intrbizsight*23:11
diddledanhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5Pg30dCMAES113.jpg23:16
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diddledanI giggled: https://twitter.com/markjaquith/status/54608352444993945623:24

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