[05:49] <mapps> hm
[09:01] <bashrc> morning
[09:02] <plasmaxbox> man what the hell
[09:03] <plasmaxbox> sudo fsck -b 98304 -L bad-blocks /dev/sda
[09:03] <plasmaxbox> fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
[09:03] <plasmaxbox> e2fsck 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014)
[09:03] <plasmaxbox> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> not good
[09:03] <plasmaxbox> nope
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> backup?
[09:04] <plasmaxbox> will not work on any supa block its my cloud nas drive
[09:04] <plasmaxbox> sudo e2fsck /dev/sda
[09:04] <plasmaxbox> e2fsck 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014)
[09:04] <plasmaxbox> ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block
[09:04] <plasmaxbox> e2fsck: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
[09:04] <plasmaxbox> e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda
[09:07] <awilkins> That's not a happy filesystem
[09:09] <plasmaxbox> Model: ATA WDC WD30EFRX-68E (scsi)
[09:09] <plasmaxbox> Disk /dev/sda: 3001GB
[09:09] <plasmaxbox> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
[09:09] <plasmaxbox> Partition Table: gpt
[09:09] <plasmaxbox> Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Name     Flags
[09:09] <plasmaxbox>  3      15.7MB  528MB   513MB                primary
[09:09] <plasmaxbox>  1      528MB   2576MB  2048MB  ext3         primary  raid
[09:09] <plasmaxbox>  2      2576MB  4624MB  2048MB  ext3         primary  raid
[09:09] <plasmaxbox>  5      4624MB  4724MB  99.6MB               primary
[09:09] <plasmaxbox>  6      4724MB  4824MB  101MB                primary
[09:09] <plasmaxbox>  7      4824MB  4826MB  1049kB               primary
[09:09] <plasmaxbox>  8      4826MB  4828MB  2097kB               primary
[09:09] <plasmaxbox>  4      4828MB  3001GB  2996GB  ext4         primary
[09:13] <awilkins> plasmaxbox, Whoa, hold on
[09:13] <awilkins> You're trying to fsck the whole disk
[09:13] <ali1234> fsck on /dev/sda?
[09:13] <awilkins> fsck the partitions, not the whole disk
[09:13] <ali1234> the partition table appears to contain nonsense anyway
[09:14] <ali1234> likely mangled by previous fsck attempts
[09:14] <awilkins> I dunno, I've seen some pretty stupid looking partition tables that worked just fune
[09:15] <awilkins> That one is a bit wacky though
[09:15] <ali1234> partitions beyond the end of the disk though?
[09:15] <awilkins> Ah yes
[09:15] <ali1234> last time i tried that i heard the read head slamming against the side of the case
[09:15] <awilkins> That's pretty screwed up
[09:15] <plasmaxbox> its gpt system and has a raid on the first 2 parttions
[09:16] <awilkins> Ok, so partitions 1 and 2 might still be OK <cross fingers>
[09:16] <awilkins> But you're running fsck against the whole disk as a block device, which isn't going to work
[09:16] <ali1234> oh wait, those values are MB not GB
[09:16] <awilkins> /dev/sda1 not /dev/sda
[09:16] <ali1234> that's even more bizarre, but whatever
[09:16] <awilkins> Yeah, that last partition is pretty big
[09:17] <awilkins> Why the tiny 2GB RAID?
[09:17] <plasmaxbox> https://drive.google.com/?authuser=0#folders/0B_6OlQ_H0PxVRXF4aFpYS2dzMEE
[09:17] <plasmaxbox> it runs arm linux
[09:18] <awilkins> Are  1 and 2 mirrors of the same filesystem?
[09:18] <plasmaxbox> ive done the hole thing the disk f/s is intact
[09:18] <awilkins> Or are they different file systems?
[09:18] <plasmaxbox> awilkins, indeed
[09:18] <awilkins> RIght, so there will be another device that is NOT a raw disk that represents that filesystem (if it's mounted)
[09:18] <awilkins> Doing operations on one half of a RAID mirror will screw it up
[09:19] <awilkins> do `mount -l `
[09:19] <plasmaxbox> no matter its screwed anyway
[09:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:20] <plasmaxbox> i have the img file to replace the hole disk setup anywho
[09:20] <plasmaxbox> it just has bad blocks
[09:20] <plasmaxbox> and i cant update it
[09:20] <ali1234> then you can't use an image file
[09:21] <ali1234> what you need to do instead is tell the HD to reallocate the bad blocks
[09:22] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[09:22] <davmor2> Morning bigcalm
[09:22] <davmor2> morning knightwise
[09:22] <davmor2> morning everyone else
[09:22] <knightwise> Could I have your opinion on something ?
[09:23] <davmor2> No
[09:23] <davmor2> :)
[09:23] <knightwise> I would like to setup an owncloud server ,but i'm not sure what the best way to go is.
[09:23] <knightwise> I have a router from my ISP,
[09:23] <knightwise> and it does NAT and hands out 192 range addresses
[09:24] <knightwise> because i don't trust them I have my own router setup behind it , behind which I have my personal network 172 *** range
[09:24] <knightwise> Now I want to run owncloud as a vm on my home server (in the 172***) range
[09:24] <bashrc> there is an Owncloud variant of Freedombone
[09:24] <knightwise> This server has 2 network cards. (one Wifi , one wired)
[09:24] <knightwise> The wired one is connected to the 172*** network
[09:25] <knightwise> would it be better to : A
[09:25] <foobarry> has anyone had  recruiter emails from google lately?
[09:25] <knightwise> Host the Owncloud machine on a vm in the 172*** network and forward a port from my router
[09:25] <davmor2> foobarry: no
[09:25] <ali1234> foobarry: i had one about 4 months ago
[09:25] <foobarry> i wondered what the text in the email was,
[09:26] <foobarry> do they copy paste the same guff every time?
[09:26] <knightwise> OR to connect up the second network card of my server to the 192*** network and connect the Owncloud VM via that card.
[09:26] <ali1234> hang on
[09:26] <knightwise> (making my server multihomed but NOT forwarding any ports through my router)
[09:26] <bashrc> knightwise: see the install_owncloud function to get some idea of how to configure it with nginx https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bashrc/freedombone/master/install-freedombone.sh
[09:28] <ali1234> foobarry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9568144/
[09:28] <bashrc> I had a Google recruiter email about a year ago. If they had sent it years earlier I would have paid attention, but I don't have much interest in them now and am becoming more anti-Google
[09:28] <davmor2> knightwise: just see if their router has a dmz if it does point it to your router, then on the dmz for your router point it to the server you want to run own cloud on
[09:28] <foobarry> ali1234: thanks. thats a different text.
[09:28] <knightwise> so its safer to do a double nat then to multi home my Server to connect the Owncloud VM directly to the 192 network ?
[09:29] <foobarry> i think the google emails are just invitation to apply
[09:29] <foobarry> rather than invitation to interview
[09:29] <foobarry> hence the same chance as applying "cold"
[09:30] <foobarry> i have a family, so i try to be productive between 9-5 and then go home
[09:30] <foobarry> so working at google probably wouldn't fit that idea
[09:31] <bashrc> do Googlers not work 9-5?
[09:31] <knightwise> bashrc : i'm installing Owncloud from a Turnkey Vm.
[09:31] <foobarry> its probably frowned upon
[09:31] <knightwise> bashrc Google is the nicest looking concentration camp workplace there is
[09:31] <foobarry> from my previous years in the city, i used to work much longer than contracted hrs
[09:31] <awilkins> I bet they have an opt-out-of-European working time directive clause in the contract
[09:32] <foobarry> especially when food is prvoided onsite
[09:32] <awilkins> Food, laundry, massages
[09:32] <awilkins> THere were googlers who took to living in the car park in an RV
[09:32] <foobarry> breakfast lunch and tea
[09:32] <awilkins> The only thing they couldn't get was shampoo
[09:33] <bashrc> I don't disagree with Google's workplaces - they are apparently quite cushy - it's more that I don't like the spying business model, the total lack of interest in securing email, the "real names" debacle and such
[09:33] <foobarry> meh
[09:33] <awilkins> If I was younger, and if there was still a chance of big fat stock options, I'd go for it
[09:33] <foobarry> ethically i am ok with google.
[09:33] <awilkins> But there isn't anymore. No more tales of company massage therapists that got millions in stock
[09:33] <foobarry> not ok with cig and gambling companies
[09:33] <bashrc> I don't htink I'd want to be a cog in the spy machine
[09:34] <foobarry> i'd even work for gchq if they paid more than pittance. i hear its worse than som epublic sector roles
[09:35] <knightwise> Any final opinions on my setup ? Do I Forward a port to my owncloud VM in my LAN , or Do I Multi Home my VM Hypervisor to have one card in my LAN and one card in my DMZ ?
[09:35] <foobarry> when i've been the all knowing sysadmin in medium sized business, i've been the spy
[09:35] <foobarry> in effect, since i had control over internet and email data
[09:35] <foobarry> thats the sysadmins job :D
[09:36] <awilkins> My old office (gov org, but not any kind of high-security place) was snooping everything
[09:37] <awilkins> I mean EVERYTHING - MITM SSL proxy with locally install root CA
[09:37] <bashrc> personally I wouldn't want to sell out like that, but everyone has their own beliefs/priorities
[09:37] <awilkins> Internal chat server
[09:37] <awilkins> And the icing on the cake, they were running all our phone calls through a SIGINT program
[09:38] <foobarry> depends on yr def of selling out
[09:39] <foobarry> my wife would think working at a newspaper (partic. the guardian) is selling out
[09:41] <awilkins> Why particularly the Guardian?
[09:42] <awilkins> I would have thought that was the least odious?
[09:42] <foobarry> some personal reasons involving some spiteful libel involving a family member that couldn't be fought
[09:42] <foobarry> and also their world view stinks a bit
[09:43] <foobarry> as do all newspapers
[09:43] <awilkins> Occupational hazard really. Ex-wife is a paediatric oncologist. Sees scary childhood illness behind every sniffle.
[09:43]  * knightwise loves Xforwarding
[09:48] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRxcSNaVCPA
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Underdog Day! :-D
[09:53] <nigelb> I need a JamesTait API.
[09:53] <nigelb> to tell me which day it is :D
[09:54] <JamesTait> nigelb, I'm hoping to implement a REST API over the Christmas period. ;)
[09:54] <nigelb> :D
[10:02]  * awilkins may get as far as REST
[10:04] <JamesTait> awilkins, I'm sincerely hoping I make it that far.
[10:04] <plasmaxbox> sudo fsck -L baddbadd /dev/md127
[10:04] <plasmaxbox>  booo
[10:05] <bigcalm> directhex: nice vid
[10:05] <bigcalm> The bass sounds good with my soundbar :)
[10:06] <JamesTait> jamestait.rest(days=17)
[10:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: I thought you weren't allowed a soundbar
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> he told them it was a defective toblerone :-P
[10:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: not in the sittingroom. I have one in my office
[10:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: man you need help if you can't convince the woman you love to move it into the livingroom
[10:23] <bigcalm> Wah, I'm keeping my soundbar
[10:23] <awilkins> Does it provide good positional separation for games
[10:24] <awilkins> What I want in a sound system ; 1) Good 3D positional location  2) Can plug in a headset without crawling around the back of the PC
[10:24] <awilkins> (before you say "plug it into the front panel" the front panel sockets have TERRIBLE crosstalk with the motherboard traces)
[10:44] <bigcalm> I just listen to music on mine and it's connected via fibre optic
[10:47] <awilkins> I think I have a FO connector
[10:48] <awilkins> There are gaming peripheral companies selling soundbars...
[10:48] <awilkins> Which probably means they are not very good soundbars with a pretty logo...
[11:01] <diddledan> morning
[12:01] <diddledan> instagram has had an instapurge - apparently people who paid for subscribers are angered at the loss of subscribers they paid for
[12:02] <DJones> ....people pay to be spammed/spam other people....?
[12:04] <bashrc> sadly, paying for subscribers/followers/likes seems to be a thing
[12:04] <bashrc> hence unpopular organisations can appear popular online
[12:04] <diddledan> bashrc, and celebrities
[12:04] <bashrc> yes
[12:05] <diddledan> justin beiber lost 3.5million subscribers overnight
[12:05] <bashrc> :)
[12:06] <DJones> Some people are just mugs
[12:07] <diddledan> like justin beiber - believing those 3.5 million were real people
[12:07] <diddledan> I mean does he really think he's popular enough to have that many in the first place?
[12:08] <diddledan> I really shouldn't be mean about him, but he is a moron afterall
[12:08] <DJones> I doubt it, probably doesn't even know what instagram is, just pays a PR Manager to spam his face everywhere
[12:10] <diddledan> I don't even get what it is he's supposed to be famous for
[12:10] <awilkins> "Singing", allegedly
[12:11] <awilkins> I think he's supposed to be famous because his sponsors paid heavily to make it happen
[12:11] <awilkins> Maybe Miley Cyrus' meltdown is basically her bid for freedom
[12:11] <awilkins> If she's no longer commercially viable she can relax with her millions
[12:12] <diddledan> if miley is no longer viable it's her own doing by trying to be "outragous"
[12:13] <DJones> Egg throwing, drink driving, taking drugs, resisting arrest, dangerous driving
[12:13] <DJones> Basically being a pratt
[12:13] <diddledan> she was fine when she was owned by disney because they wouldn't let her go off the rails
[12:14] <diddledan> then she decided to dress like a prostitute and seduce men old enough to be her grandad live on stage
[12:14] <DJones> diddledan: That'll have changed now, don't forget they've just bought the rights to a cold blooded murder...Han shot first :)
[12:15] <diddledan> lol
[12:15] <awilkins> Disney doesn't have a good record for sane child stars
[12:15] <awilkins> Miley. Lindsey.
[12:17] <diddledan> I'm not sure how I feel about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11VGDAOVEag
[12:17] <DJones> Heh, googling "disney stars gone bad" brings this up http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2014/06/13-disney-stars-gone-wild-when-good-kids-go-bad/
[12:17] <awilkins> Britney. Zac.
[12:19] <diddledan> wow that picture of lindsey is bad
[12:19] <diddledan> she looks ancient
[12:20] <awilkins> She's the one I actually think is the biggest shame. Wasn't a terrible actress
[12:21] <diddledan> dear god, number 9 in the list
[12:21] <bashrc> Are there any Disney child stars who remained sane?
[12:21] <diddledan> brian bonsall
[12:21] <awilkins> There's another article for ones that didn't go mad
[12:22] <awilkins> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/03/good-disney-stars_n_4538410.html
[12:22] <DJones> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/03/good-disney-stars_n_4538410.html
[12:22] <awilkins> heheheh
[12:22] <DJones> Was just looking at that
[12:22] <DJones> Its interesting that all the stars going bad/not going bad are from the late 80's/90's and onwards
[12:34] <ali1234> disney only made cartoons before that
[12:40] <DJones> Good point, that said, even the cartoon voices went bad, Peter Pan's voice ended up a drug addict & in jail and died young due to effects of long term drug abuse
[12:42] <DJones> Not just a new phenomenan anyway, probably just a case of a lot of people in the public life getting taken along & losing track of whats important
[12:44] <DJones> ali1234: Did you see the video of Notch's new house
[12:44] <DJones> Spending his Microsoft money http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/132105-take-a-look-inside-the-70-million-la-mansion-minecraft-paid-for-it-ll-blow-you-away
[12:44] <ali1234> yeah but nobody would recognise the peter pan voice actor if you put their picture on a website so.......
[12:45] <DJones> Can't argue with that
[12:47] <ali1234> i wouldn't buy that house
[12:47] <ali1234> it's like a car showroom
[12:48] <DJones> It looks nice, but a bit too "shiny" for my liking
[12:48] <ali1234> i mean, i might buy it as an investment, but i wouldn't live in it
[12:49] <ali1234> i would rent it out to rockstars with more money than sense
[12:50] <DJones> I don't think I'd let rockstars in without a very large security deposit to cover the cost of repairs when they leave
[12:50] <ali1234> that goes without saying
[12:50] <ali1234> that's where you'd make most of the money
[12:51] <DJones> 3 month rental, 9 month rebuild period and start again
[12:51] <ali1234> i reckon you oculd turn it around faster than that
[12:53] <ali1234> i mean you can pretty much remove the windows and just sweep everything outside and off the cliff
[12:54] <DJones> :)
[13:01] <diddledan> I think I might pop over the cafe and order a burger and chips
[13:01]  * diddledan like having a cafe over the courtyard from me
[13:04] <brobostigon> :)
[13:05] <awilkins> Man likes his Bond. And jellybeans.
[13:06] <awilkins> Is that a Rolls Royce like Goldfinger has in his garage?
[13:21] <diddledan> sweet
[13:21] <diddledan> my boss decided I was worth a bonus
[13:22] <diddledan> I wasn't expecting one because I'm freelance
[13:27] <awilkins> Probably more likely to get one because you're freelance
[13:27] <awilkins> Don't have to give bonuses to the wage slaves, they get to _keep their job_ that's their bonus
[13:28] <diddledan> teehee
[13:50] <popey> Morning all.
[13:51] <bashrc> morning popey
[14:01] <foobarry> tried making a tree: http://imgur.com/kebjMDv
[14:02] <foobarry> relevant since it's made of of copper from cat5 cable
[14:02] <foobarry> covered in plaster, then painted
[14:06] <ali1234> was expecting a christmas tree
[14:06] <foobarry> sorry to disappoint :D
[14:06] <ali1234> what is that green stuff?
[14:07] <foobarry> woodland scenics foliage.
[14:07] <foobarry> its part done
[14:07] <foobarry> gonna fill it out properly but the glue is not very sticky
[14:11]  * popey just got a fruit hamper in the post \o/
[14:11] <popey> (also contains booze)
[14:12] <bashrc> nice
[14:12] <foobarry> gonna add the tree to my dio http://imgur.com/bs52EiU
[14:12] <foobarry> popey: from an admirer?
[14:12] <bashrc> So are UbuntuPhones going to be shipping in 2015?
[14:13] <DJones> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february
[14:13] <popey> from my dads widow
[14:13] <foobarry> thats nice
[14:13] <popey> yeah, fresh stuff for mulled wine recpipe too
[14:13] <popey> -typo
[14:27] <diddledan> popey, window?
[14:27] <diddledan> bad typo if so :-p
[14:27] <diddledan> your dad might wonder why you've suddenly killed him off
[14:29] <diddledan> microsoft's latest communications seem to echo google's material styling
[14:29] <diddledan> I wonder who was first
[14:29] <diddledan> seems bold colours and solid blocks are the rule du jour
[14:30] <diddledan> rounded corners seem to have been forgotten
[15:22] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30539198
[15:23] <dvrr> how to redirect  example.com to www.example.com ubuntu   please guide me
[15:23] <diddledan> err
[15:24] <diddledan> you don't own example.com
[15:25] <diddledan> and you need to specify what you want to be redirected
[15:25] <MartijnV1S> who? what?
[15:25] <diddledan> i.e. what protocol
[15:26] <diddledan> yes, and as MartijnV1S asks, who do you want to redirect
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> I think I'm only seeing one side of a conversation
[15:27] <diddledan> oh
[15:27] <diddledan> [15:23:42] <dvrr> how to redirect  example.com to www.example.com ubuntu   please guide me
[15:27] <diddledan> that's what I'm replying to
[15:27] <diddledan> do you have him ignored?
[15:27] <diddledan> it wouldn't surprise me if you do
[15:28] <dvrr> example.com some functionalities  not working
[15:28] <diddledan> dvrr, you don't own example.com
[15:28] <dvrr> no
[15:28] <dvrr> example
[15:28] <diddledan> dvrr, so you can't do anything with it
[15:29] <dvrr> in mydomain   with out  www  some functionalities  not working
[15:29] <dvrr> tomcat  server
[15:31] <diddledan> dvrr, I think you need to find a document that explains how to ask for help
[15:32] <diddledan> dvrr, this is a good document: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[15:34] <ali1234> duh, it's an example
[15:34] <diddledan> dvrr, in response to my assumption that you want some http page to redirect to another http page then you need to return a response code of "301" or "302" to the browser from the server/app
[15:35] <ali1234> http://serverfault.com/questions/262927/apache-tomcat-url-without-app-name
[15:39] <diddledan> IMO obscuring details of a request for help is never useful - the only time it is ok to do so is when removing a password or other credentials that are supposed to be secrert
[15:40] <diddledan> domain names are public so there's no reason to keep them secret
[15:43] <diddledan> if you're worried about them being logged in a public forum then too late. they're in whois already.
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> also explain what you've already tried
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> and what the effect was (and waht you expected it to do)
[15:47] <diddledan> what I expected it to do: "not fail"
[15:47] <diddledan> :-p
[15:47] <TwistedLucidity> Why come to an Ubuntu forum to get help with Apache (Java) Tomcat.....?
[15:47] <ali1234> "hi, how do i make my website work when i got to example.com instead of www.example.com. i tried going to example.com but it didn't work. i expected it to work"
[15:47] <diddledan> ali1234, that's a completely unhelpful question
[15:48] <ali1234> "my website uses apache tomcat"
[15:48] <ali1234> this is exactly the question that was asked, and it's enough information to give a partial answer
[15:48] <TwistedLucidity> You put an Apache server in front of Tomact and have it re-write the URL. <- One way
[15:48] <ali1234> TwistedLucidity: right, and that's exactly what the stack exchange question i posted says
[15:49] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Ha ha ha! Not read it yet, just went with the most obvious answer
[15:49] <TwistedLucidity> It's one of these things. It's very easy, but can get very complicated depending on how things are set-up.
[15:53] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: They're in whois with your home address too, unless you're using domain privacy
[15:53] <ali1234> unless you are working on someone else's server
[15:53] <TwistedLucidity> Or a company
[15:53] <diddledan> yes, this is true - and expands my point
[15:54] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: That too. "Sure, I can fix that. Pay me $quillions"...5 minutes later..."Uh, IRC peeps who do I...?" :-)
[16:29] <diddledan> adele dazeem and some bubbles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bbuBubZ1yE
[16:30] <diddledan> .. and some dancing kids
[16:45] <daftykins> closed it :P
[16:51] <diddledan> dammit, I'm sat in the dark again
[16:52] <daftykins> :D
[16:52] <daftykins> no sign of my Sopranos bluray set yet
[16:52] <daftykins> how will i have fun with makemkv over the Christmas period if it doesn't arrive in time? ;)
[16:53] <diddledan> :-p
[16:53] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30555997
[16:54] <diddledan> popey, I've been waiting for a linkable story about that
[16:54] <awilkins> Hold on, didn't I see something earlier that said that they DIDN'T have evidence that NK did it?
[16:54] <diddledan> popey, rory cellen jones tweeted earlier but the beeb hadn't written it up
[16:55] <bashrc> I think it's very unlikely to be NK. The trolls know that if they push certain buttons US bigwigs go insane
[16:59] <diddledan> "White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters US officials had held daily discussions about the Sony cyber-attack and were considering an "appropriate response"."
[17:00] <bashrc> I think it's more likely to be Anonymous or a related group trolling Sony
[17:00] <ali1234> the sheer volume of data indicates an inside job
[17:01] <diddledan> ali1234, several security bloggers have suggested that as a theory too
[17:01] <bashrc> more money for cybercommand?
[17:01] <diddledan> I say we should declare cyber-war
[17:02] <diddledan> I want there to be hackers in a darkened bunker furiously typing at keyboards in attempt to defend in real-time as well as launch cyber-nukes
[17:02] <bashrc> heh
[17:02] <intrbiz> ali1234: or just a totally negligent piss poort job at security
[17:03] <ali1234> my guess would be NK sleeper agents infiltrating corporate IT
[17:03] <bashrc> what you mean is military personnel who have been trained to use metasploit
[17:03] <diddledan> intrbiz, I think piss poor security has been overshadowed by the sheer volume of exfiltrated data
[17:03] <diddledan> bashrc, yeah
[17:04] <intrbiz> diddledan: indeed
[17:04] <bashrc> yes, hte biggest foe here is really just Sony's security cluelessness
[17:04] <ali1234> if it actually was a sleeper then they would know, but they wouldn't tell you
[17:04] <ali1234> mainly cos the guy would now have mysteriously vanished
[17:05] <awilkins> Naah, for my money it's another Bradley or Snowden
[17:05] <ali1234> but tracking through employee records takes time
[17:05] <diddledan> bashrc, there obviously needs to be an underground movement of civilian hackers living in abandoned warehouses equipped with high-end computer equipemnt and internet links who are working to prevent both sides from killing normal people
[17:05] <bashrc> I suspect that whoever is behind it is just playing the NK angle for the lulz
[17:05] <diddledan> the said warehouses need to be wired to self-destruct, obviously
[17:05] <awilkins> I bet the whole naked actresses thing was just a sysadmin at Apple who had access to their cloud storage and a penchant for naked actresses
[17:05] <ali1234> the FBI wouldn't say it's definitely NK if they had zero evidence
[17:05] <ali1234> they are not politicians
[17:06] <bashrc> they wouldn't say there were WMD if they had zero evidence either
[17:06] <ali1234> plus nobody actually wants to start a war with NK, there's no point
[17:06] <awilkins> Was just going to say that. Oh snap.
[17:06] <awilkins> WTH...  no point to war?
[17:06] <diddledan> bashrc, they had evidence provided by the security services - the evidence was false
[17:06] <awilkins> Of course there are people that want to start a war with NK
[17:06] <awilkins> Or anyone
[17:07] <diddledan> "sexy evidence"
[17:07] <ali1234> no, there arent, not unless you are a crazy conspiracy theorist
[17:07] <diddledan> I want to take evidence to bed
[17:07] <awilkins> It's not crazy at all
[17:07] <awilkins> There's always a motive for war - people make lots of money
[17:07] <ali1234> they wouldn't make lots of money in a war against NK
[17:07] <awilkins> Of course they would
[17:08] <diddledan> the government won't
[17:08] <awilkins> Much of the money is made just supplying combat troops with the things they need to have a base
[17:08] <ali1234> no it isn't. the money is made rebuilding the country afterwards
[17:08] <bashrc> money goes round in a circle between government and subcontractors
[17:08] <awilkins> NK is already broken
[17:08] <ali1234> if the country has no money and no natural resources that isn't possible
[17:08] <diddledan> or in this case, it wouldn't be REbuild, just build
[17:09] <diddledan> the only infrastructure in NK is government self perpetuation
[17:09] <diddledan> the civil society doesn't have squat
[17:10] <bashrc> It's hard to know what capability NK had, but they don't seem very technologically sophisticated in terms of internet
[17:10] <awilkins> CIA world factbook on NK : mining (coal, iron ore, limestone, magnesite, graphite, copper, zinc, lead, and precious metals)
[17:10] <awilkins> There must be a load of underexploited resources there
[17:10] <ali1234> i don't see oil in that list
[17:10] <ali1234> the rest are meh
[17:11] <ali1234> not to mention that war against NK would really piss off china
[17:11] <awilkins> They don't export or produce oil or natural gas
[17:11] <ali1234> and you don't want to go there
[17:11] <awilkins> Doesn't mean there isn't any
[17:12] <ali1234> the US isn't going to invade a country on the basis that they don't know for sure there's no oil under it
[17:13] <diddledan> surely they wouldn't invade if they were sure, would they? :-p
[17:14] <ali1234> north korea basically only exists because it is incredibly inhospitable and nobody else wants it
[17:14] <awilkins> Invading countries on the basis of oil wasn't for the oil
[17:14] <awilkins> It was to stop them trading oil in Euro
[17:14] <bashrc> Trying to invade NK would be dumb. They failed the last time
[17:14] <awilkins> Iran makes noises about trading oil in Euro - OH suddenly the US hates you again
[17:15] <awilkins> If people start wanting the value back for all those dollars they trade oil with, the US is stick-a-fork-in-it done
[17:16] <awilkins> Iraq was nothing special in terms of oil production, but Saddam wanted to trade it for Euros
[17:18] <diddledan> http://jalopnik.com/dopey-old-couple-almost-dies-after-13-hours-trapped-in-1672832892
[17:21] <diddledan> why does the bbc news homepage not provide any way to get a live stream of news24?
[17:21] <ali1234> it does
[17:21] <diddledan> where?
[17:21] <ali1234> right on the front page
[17:22] <ali1234> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ on the right
[17:22] <ali1234> "LIVE BBC News Channel"
[17:22] <diddledan> nope
[17:23] <ali1234> it probably thinks you aren't in the uk
[17:24] <awilkins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/
[17:25] <diddledan> awilkins, that's not live
[17:25] <awilkins> Says 1724
[17:25] <awilkins> IT's about a minute behind by my clock
[17:26] <diddledan> err. all I get is a listing of videos and it autoplays "one-minute world news"
[17:26] <awilkins> Guess it thinks you're a forner then
[17:26] <diddledan> which is .. 1 minute .. not live
[18:27] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/atanas/status/545681872333078528/photo/1
[18:39] <DJones> diddledan: I saw that earlier today, google.co.uk puts convert to mp3 in itunes in 3rd place with no mention of pdf
[19:00] <ali1234> okay this is really impressive: i can now detect if user unplugs the controller while in game, pause the game, and wait for them to plug the controller back in and press start, for multiple players simultaneously
[19:01] <ali1234> and they can also press start on any controller than isn't already in use
[19:51] <diddledan> you probably saw this already, but: http://gizmodo.com/nasa-emailed-a-new-wrench-to-the-iss-1673213597
[19:55] <m0nkey_> Heh, did you know what was the first part they printed?
[19:55] <m0nkey_> A replacement part for the printer
[20:18] <diddledan> lol
[20:18] <diddledan> was it broken?
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> in defiance of all logic it was shipped with one part too few? :-)
[20:20] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, it was ikea
[20:24] <diddledan> microsoft are the good guys in this: http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/security-software/brendan-morgan/hello-this-is-microsoft-suing-tech-support-scammers/
[20:24] <diddledan> I'm glad they're taking legal action
[20:25] <diddledan> I don't care what anyone thinks of microsoft, scammers duping your parents into giving their cc details is a bad thing no matter what operating system they use
[20:27] <zmoylan-pi> is ms not responsible for the low level of security in their os?  nice to see them targeting scammers though
[20:29] <diddledan> it's not a security issue - the scammers get the user to give them access
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> if the os were more secure they wouldn't have the whole security risks popping up on news making it easier for scammers
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> non techies always feel they're one click away from complete muck up on windows
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> also a lot of non techies... :-)
[20:36] <diddledan> the security of windows has nothing to do with the media coverage. it's all about numbers - windows has many users, therefore there's more people doing bad things to windows than other systems, therefore more makes the news - severe problems in non-windows makes the news, too - poodle. heartbleed. bash. just this year. that is actually more newsworthy things that I recall for non-windows than for windows.
[20:36] <ali1234> poodle?
[20:37] <diddledan> ali1234, a different ssl bug to heartbleed - turn off ssl3 please.
[20:38] <shauno> this year's been so weird that they had a nickname for 'grinch' before they had a bug  (and still don't have a bug ..)
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> humans are terrible at judging risks.  they see and hear problems with windows and assume all problems are with windows.  biggest os problems :-/
[20:39] <diddledan> shauno, what's grinch?
[20:40] <diddledan> ok, I found a google
[20:41] <shauno> packagekit allows users to install a package without needing sudo
[20:41] <shauno> (*if* they're logged in locally, are in the wheel group, and the package is in a trusted repo)
[20:41] <shauno> which is both a) the latest vuln with a catchy nickname, and b) by design
[20:44] <shauno> basically, someone found something which isn't actually a bug, and took it the PR-route first.  it's pretty funny :)
[20:45] <ali1234> packagekit lets you install without sudo but it still asks for your password using pkexec
[20:45] <ali1234> unless you configured it not to, but then you could also configure your user account to have root access
[20:46] <diddledan> is pkexec effectively a cut-down sudo?
[20:46] <ali1234> sort of
[20:46] <ali1234> it is kind of like app armor with capabilities though
[20:47] <ali1234> it's another example where unix user accounts just aren't good enough :P
[20:47] <diddledan> teehee
[20:47] <diddledan> touché
[20:47] <diddledan> :-p
[20:47] <diddledan> I deserved that! :-D
[20:48] <ali1234> well, it's true
[20:48] <ali1234> that's why gksudo doens't ship any more
[20:48] <ali1234> everything has to move to pkexec
[20:48] <ali1234> for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1270090
[20:49] <diddledan> I guess I'm just so used to the user-account way that I can't really appreciate how another system would work.
[20:49] <ali1234> i just converted this from a crufty exec "gksudo synaptic --install <packages>" to using packagekit
[20:49] <diddledan> I'm a closed-minded fool :-p
[20:49] <ali1234> because gksudo isn't shipped any more, so it's been broken for ages
[20:49] <diddledan> oh dear
[20:49] <ali1234> only xubuntu still uses it though
[20:53] <diddledan> ooh, the bug got some activity 7 days ago with a patch - maybe a dev will do an SRU
[20:53] <ali1234> yeah that was me
[20:53] <diddledan> ha
[20:53] <diddledan> aha**
[20:54] <diddledan> just waiting on the sponsors then - well done :-)
[20:54] <ali1234> it's in the sponsor queue now. dunno if it will be SRU'd but should be fixed in the next release
[20:55] <diddledan> might be worth checking if (I assume it does) it affects utopic and plop the utopic tag on to raise a bit of visibility
[20:55] <ali1234> it definitely does
[20:56] <ali1234> but it needs to go into vivid first before it can be SRU'd
[20:56] <diddledan> there, I added utopic to the bug tags anyway :-p
[21:15] <diddledan> I've just discovered the wordpress jetpack tie-in with wordpress.com - it's pretty sweet
[21:26] <directhex> yeah, it's awesomne
[21:26] <directhex> only site metrics plugin with 0 overhead
[21:26] <diddledan> specifically the wordpress.com hosted dashboard is pretty sweet
[21:27] <diddledan> I've been using jetpack's social sharing thing for some time, but just tried out the wordpress.com admin area
[21:27] <diddledan> I think I'm using a couple other features but can't remember what they were=
[21:27] <bigcalm> !info gpref
[21:28] <diddledan> haha
[21:28] <diddledan> :-p
[21:28] <diddledan> you suck! :-D
[21:28] <bigcalm> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gperf says otherwise
[21:28] <diddledan> that's because fingers
[21:28] <bigcalm> Indeed
[21:29] <DJones> bigcalm: gpref != gperf
[21:29] <bigcalm> Quite, spelling fixes all
[21:29] <diddledan> DJones, unless you're using php and it implicitly converts to int
[21:30] <DJones> diddledan: Last programming I did was using cobol/dbase so probably not quite relevant
[21:30] <diddledan> e.g. 0 + gpref == gperf (TRUE)
[21:31] <diddledan> gpref + 0 == gperf (not sure)
[21:31] <diddledan> try it and see
[21:31] <diddledan> :-p
[21:48] <diddledan> this isn't factually accurate: http://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/teenage-brain-breakdown.jpg
[21:49] <diddledan> the teenage male nerd thinks about females and female superheroes aggragely the same amount of time or more than the average teenage male thinks about females
[21:49] <diddledan> aggregately**
[21:50] <diddledan> speaking of which, I'm now thinking of female superheroes
[21:50] <diddledan> thank you internet!
[22:12] <intrbiz> diddledan: I must admit comicbooks are something I've never dedicated much brain power too, I guess I'm not an average nerd or an average male
[22:12] <diddledan> intrbiz, me either. I think that's the difference between nerd and geek?
[22:12] <diddledan> I self ascribe to geekdom
[22:12] <intrbiz> diddledan: sounds plausable
[22:13] <diddledan> at school everyone called me "boffin" tho, but I'm unsure where that falls on the spectrum
[22:14] <intrbiz> diddledan: boffin sounds kinda cool, I have no issue with people calling me that
[22:15] <intrbiz> diddledan: people just used to call me eccentric
[22:15] <diddledan> lol
[22:15] <intrbiz> well, the polite ones anyway
[22:16] <mapps> hi all
[22:22] <shauno> I always figured comic books were more an american thing
[22:23] <intrbiz> possibly, japanese too?
[22:24] <shauno> I mean they're not exactly clamoring to get the beano into the latest films
[22:24] <zmoylan-pi> 2000ad was a great uk comic in 70s and 80s
[22:24] <diddledan> shauno, the 90s had "dennis" which was terrible
[22:25] <intrbiz> shauno: indeed, i guess UK comic books seem more about comedy, where as american comic books seem about superheros
[22:26] <shauno> I think that's kinda cultural too
[22:27] <shauno> they have a whole "if you try hard enough you'll be a millionaire" culure.  anyone can be the president, etc
[22:27] <diddledan> if you try hard enough you can fly?
[22:28] <diddledan> or.. if you try hard enough you can shoot frickin laser beams from your eyes?
[22:29] <shauno> which is also why their poorer classes are so down-trodden.  they're so hooked on this dream that they'll be the next millionaire, that they vote in favour of the millionaires
[22:30] <intrbiz> there is the concept of the 'american dream' dating back to the frist settlers
[22:30] <shauno> I think it was a lot more true then though
[22:31] <shauno> you want 50 acres?  go claim it.  you want gold?  go dig it.
[22:31] <intrbiz> shauno: sure
[22:38] <diddledan> want to be fireproof? just try harder.
[22:38] <diddledan> :-p
[22:41] <shauno> so uhm - someone's finally making an ubuntu phone?
[22:41] <diddledan> bbq
[22:41] <diddledan> as in a tasty family meal of burnt burgers
[22:43] <diddledan> https://www.cloudflare.com/case-studies-christmas
[22:46] <intrbiz> but will people buy it, that is the question
[22:46] <shauno> I'm kinda tempted out of nosiness
[22:47] <shauno> depends what the price with no contract is, because I don't intend on actually putting a sim in it
[22:47] <diddledan> it's aparently a "mid-range" phone
[22:47] <diddledan> shauno, it has two sim slots you can not put one into
[22:54] <diddledan> this is funny: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryanmillssecurity
[22:56] <intrbiz> diddledan: however one is 2G only I believe
[22:57] <diddledan> oh
[22:57] <intrbiz> so 3G on one SIM, 2G on the other
[23:05] <diddledan> oh dear, israel and hamas are at it again
[23:06] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30558922
[23:06] <shauno> 30558922nd war in the middle east?  I'm tempted to believe that url :)
[23:08] <diddledan> lol
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> there's only ever been 1 war in the middle east, it just has lulls and pauses
[23:10] <intrbiz> sadly, with little end in site
[23:11] <intrbiz> sight*
[23:16] <diddledan> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5Pg30dCMAES113.jpg
[23:24] <diddledan> I giggled: https://twitter.com/markjaquith/status/546083524449939456