[03:35] <bluesabre> JackFrost: I might be able to attend on the 5th, assuming I have internet by then
[03:37] <JackFrost> bluesabre: 5pm our time?
[03:38] <bluesabre> sure, I'll plan to take over the coffee shop
[03:39]  * elfy plans to turn up ... 
[03:40] <bluesabre> bah, shimmer-themes got pulled from our packageset upload rights it seems
[03:40] <JackFrost> Whaaaaat?
[03:40]  * bluesabre will fix
[03:42]  * elfy lets bluesabre fix that
[03:43] <JackFrost> Cool, so: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:00:00 +0000 it is.  Dang, now I have to mail the list again, and I just did that...
[03:43] <bluesabre> sorry, often slow to respond these days
[03:45] <elfy> bluesabre: don't apologise 
[03:45] <bluesabre> sorry elfy
[03:45] <bluesabre> :P
[03:45] <elfy> no setting precedents :)
[03:45] <bluesabre> also, you're online really late it seems
[03:45]  * elfy shudders while shuddering 
[06:15] <JackFrost> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-December/010513.html I broke it. :3
[07:18] <ochosi> bluesabre: crap, how the hell did that happen?
[11:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: Laney fixed it, package uploaded
[11:48] <bluesabre> bbl
[11:48] <ochosi> cool thanks bluesabre 
[11:48] <ochosi> that was a lot quicker than i had hoped
[12:43] <elfy> ochosi: so gtk3.14 updates turned up now
[12:47] <ochosi> elfy: and, total havoc on your screen?
[12:47] <elfy> nope :)
[12:47] <ochosi> phew :)
[12:48] <elfy> :)
[12:49] <ochosi> would you mind testing with the 15.04 greybird package too?
[12:49] <ochosi> just to be sure that bluesabre's upload had the desired result
[12:49] <elfy> assuming that it came through ppa then I am using it 
[12:50] <ochosi> it *should* be based on the same commit
[12:51] <elfy> 201412190846~ubuntu15.04.1
[12:52] <elfy> anything in particular to look out for - or just run with it and see :)
[12:52] <ochosi> that's the upload time though i think
[12:53] <ochosi> cause my commit was from yesterday
[12:53] <ochosi> well, the panel/indicators were broken
[12:53] <ochosi> so if that's not the case anymore, i guess we're good
[12:53] <elfy> I've not rebooted - but I would think that we're good 
[12:54] <ochosi> right, well that you have to do
[12:54] <ochosi> or at least restart your session
[12:54] <elfy> k - I'll do that :)
[12:54] <ochosi> ty
[12:57] <elfy> ochosi: looks good to me currently :)
[12:57] <ochosi> ok, if you notice anything lemme know
[12:57] <ochosi> could be that the checkboxes still look weird
[12:57] <ochosi> not sure
[12:58] <elfy> yep will do 
[12:58] <elfy> checkboxes look right now - you can see where to en/disable
[12:59] <ochosi> could you show me a screener?
[12:59] <elfy> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-191214-125931.php
[13:00] <ochosi> looks a bit compressed, but okayish
[13:00] <ochosi> and that frame... fugly.
[13:00] <ochosi> but that's not a theme problem, but one of the app
[13:00] <elfy> synaptic looks odd now - big boxes round the options - http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-191214-130036.php
[13:01] <ochosi> yeah, i read that ubuntu were patching something wrt toolbars
[13:01] <ochosi> i think gtk3 changed some default setting there
[13:01] <elfy> ok 
[13:01] <ochosi> so toolbar buttons look like buttons now
[13:01] <elfy> yep
[13:01] <ochosi> need to see whether that should be tackled in the theme or in gtk
[13:02] <elfy> catfish - http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-191214-130155.php
[13:02] <ochosi> yeah, bluesabre said he'd take care of that
[13:03] <elfy> I'd look at parole - but I'll forget to reset blanking :p
[13:03] <ochosi> as soon as light-locker 1.5.1 has landed in vivid, i'll try to fix xdg-screensaver
[13:04] <elfy> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-191214-130354.php
[13:04] <elfy> yep - I was pleased to find out what that was - that really drove me nuts :D
[13:06] <ochosi> weird, checkboxes in the menus
[13:07] <elfy> saw that - hence showing it for you :)
[13:09] <elfy> anyway - I'm using shimmer and staging and unit's ppa's - so as long as changes show there first - then I can check what I'm seeing here 
[13:09] <ochosi> yup, i'll start with those buttons
[13:10] <elfy> :)
[14:01] <ochosi> elfy: just pushed several huge commits to greybird, that should fix most of the remaining gtk3.14 issues
[14:10] <ochosi> crap, our checkboxes are 17x15 instead of 16x16
[14:10] <ochosi> that's why they look skewed
[14:10] <knome> oi :P
[14:12] <ochosi> sucks a bit cause that means they'll look off by 1px
[14:14] <ochosi> elfy: could you check whether radiobuttons are also skewed?
[14:22] <elfy> want to point me at something with radio buttons :p
[14:23] <ochosi> if you have propr drivers, the additional drivers tab in software and updates has them
[14:23] <ochosi> also, with the latest version of greybird, those nasty frames should be gone
[14:24] <elfy> well - they look ok to me - but I've got old eyes and most things do :)
[14:24] <ochosi> screenshot pls
[14:24] <elfy> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-191214-142443.php
[14:24] <ochosi> also, i just triggered a rebuild, so hopefully you'll get a greybird-update in the afternoon
[14:25] <elfy> yep - was doing it :)
[14:25] <ochosi> crap, skewed
[14:25] <ochosi> ok, thanks
[14:25] <elfy> ok - I will check that later then
[14:28] <ochosi> ok, the fix the radios won't be in the build
[14:28] <ochosi> but it's in git already
[14:29] <elfy> what do you actually mean by skewed ? 
[14:29] <elfy> ochosi: okey doke 
[14:31] <ochosi> well it's not square
[14:31] <ochosi> the pixmap is 16x15 px and gtk3 used to just not care about that
[14:31] <ochosi> now i resized the canvas to 16x16 (without scaling the radios/checks) and now the circles should be circular again
[14:31] <ochosi> instead of slightly ellipse-like
[14:32] <elfy> oh right - so to you the circles aren't circles ?
[14:32] <ochosi> yup
[14:33] <ochosi> they arent
[14:33] <ochosi> objectively speaking, not just to me
[14:33]  * elfy points up logs a bit to where I've got old eyes :)
[14:33] <elfy> I guess if I zoomed in I'd see it :)
[14:34] <elfy> thanks though :)
[14:35] <ochosi> i guess it'd annoy me more than you ;)
[14:36] <elfy> :)
[14:37] <elfy> especially if you know the code says 16x15 - even you couldn't actually see it you'd think you could :)
[14:51] <ochosi> elfy: new packages are built and published, so you should be able to update and test
[14:55] <elfy> aah - good must have just published them then - I checked 5 minutes ago :p
[15:00] <elfy> ochosi: all updated now
[15:01] <ochosi> mind to show me the same windows agai?
[15:01] <elfy> was just doing that :)
[15:01] <ochosi> oh good :)
[15:05] <elfy> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-191214-150209.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-191214-150235.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-191214-150404.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-191214-150504.php
[15:05] <elfy> same 4 
[15:05] <elfy> just realised the screenshot tool has host on imgur 
[15:06] <elfy> testcase probably needs tweaking
[15:08] <ochosi> hm, that seems like it didn't pull from github
[15:12] <ochosi> hmpf, i triggered the rebuild too early
[15:12] <ochosi> bzr import from git wasn't complete yet...
[15:12] <ochosi> well, in that case let's just test it tomorrow then
[15:12] <elfy> ok :)
[15:12] <ochosi> if it's still not fixed with tomorrow's package, please ping me
[15:13] <elfy> I wasn't sure if anything had changed - but my eyes you know :p
[15:54] <slickymasterWork> elfy, re https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1404275, what version of xfce4-screenshooter are you using?
[15:56] <elfy> oh bah humbug - bet it came from unit's ppa ... 
[15:56] <JackFrost> Was about to say.. :3
[15:56] <elfy> lol
[15:56] <slickymasterWork> lol, funky nick you got for the holidays JackFrost 
[15:57] <JackFrost> Thanks.
[15:57] <elfy> so we gonna get that at some point soonish (eg 15.04) or not
[15:57] <JackFrost> They've been working on it upstream a fair bit..
[15:58] <slickymasterWork> thing is elfy, the one shipped with Vivid doesn't yet offers imgur as hosting option
[15:58] <elfy> yea - marked it invalid for the moment - when it does land - the fix is waiting :)
[15:59] <slickymasterWork> ok, you'll probably have to remind me then, to do the review :P
[16:01] <elfy> JackFrost: well it does work though :p
[16:02] <ali1234> while people are about, just a reminder that i fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1270090
[16:03] <ali1234> the debdiff needs redo-ing for vivid i guess, i'm still on 14.04 here
[16:04] <drc> Finally! :)
[16:37] <elfy> ochosi: is the fix for shaded windows and inteligent hide coming soon?
[18:18] <drc> pleia2: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/best-distro-2014.html
[18:18] <pleia2> he sure likes us :)
[18:18] <pleia2> thanks
[18:45] <xuxuxu> whats going on in here
[18:55] <knome> development discussion.
[22:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: meh, seems like we might have to add a "flat" class to the osd buttons to prevent them from having borders in gtk3.14 :(
[22:37] <ochosi> should be fairly friction-free in terms of backwards-compatability, but still, meh
[23:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: i pushed several updates to greybird today after noticing that my previous patches weren't sufficient for the gtk3.14 switch *at all*. if you can push a new package for it, that'd be great. otherwise we can continue to test with the daily builds until i have something solid (should be a lot better now though). it's likely that we won't install bluebird, albatross and orion anymore by default, no time to update them properly...
[23:52] <knome> ochosi, if it would be just for a similar diff that you showed me earlier, i can run through those two/three themes and do that.
[23:53] <knome> i mean, if doing that was enough to convince you we can ship them..
[23:53] <pleia2> woohoo, just confirmed venue (San Francisco Gandi.net offices) for Ubuntu Global Jam, working on Xubuntu QA again :)
[23:53] <knome> yay
[23:54] <ochosi> knome: if you have time/energy for it, go for it
[23:54] <ochosi> i'm happy to ship them if they work, but i know i won't get to maintaining them anymore
[23:54] <knome> ochosi, would you need more than that to be willing to ship them?
[23:54] <knome> what we really should do...
[23:54] <ochosi> well generally i want them to work
[23:55] <knome> well maybe this is more for #shimmer, but anyway
[23:55] <ochosi> so if they look bad in other places even with those patches, i would say we'd have to fix it
[23:55] <ochosi> pleia2: cool!
[23:55] <knome> see the point where greybird started getting those gtk3 updates
[23:55] <knome> and try to port them to the other themes
[23:56] <ochosi> yeah
[23:56] <knome> converting to SASS might work good for that kind of things
[23:56] <ochosi> that's how we did it up to now
[23:56] <ochosi> but it's not getting easier
[23:56] <knome> so is that the only thing missing?
[23:56] <knome> or are we missing other things?
[23:56] <ochosi> gnome is using sass, so using sass as well makes it easier to remain in sync
[23:56] <ochosi> honestly, i can't tell yet
[23:56] <knome> but sass comes with some extra dependencies
[23:56] <ochosi> 3.14 has just landed and i have only just started to really explore it
[23:57] <knome> sure.. but regarding greybird vs. albatross/bluebird, is that the diff?
[23:57] <ochosi> sort of
[23:58] <ochosi> the themes aren't 100% the same
[23:58] <knome> of course