[10:40] <bzoltan_> rpadovani: SDK releases and the Ubuntu releases are sadly not in sync. The reason could be that SDK is targeting and so focusing more on the Ubunti devices. Fundamentally the API are the same on utopic 1.1 and vivid 1.1  ut obviously dozens of bugfixes that are released in Vivid are not backported to Utopic. I would backport happily, but at that phase Utopic accepts only security related bugfixes. Using the "backports" section might be a
[10:40] <bzoltan_> solution. I will check that path.
[10:41] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, until phones are not on market isn't a problem IMO. But in future, as developer, I expect to develop one and have same result on all releases
[10:41] <akiva-thinkpad> woah bq launch!
[10:41] <akiva-thinkpad> february
[10:42] <bzoltan_> rpadovani: I am afraid that once we will have  ubuntu  devices out there the present release system (invented for desktop PCs) will not be used.
[10:42] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, this is quite interesting :D
[10:42] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  phone owners expect more frequent updates and they expect expect all the time stable platform.
[10:43] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  I have little if any influence on the releasing model, but i have seen how maemo-meego-sailfish does it.  But it is heavy speculation :)
[10:44] <rpadovani> Ok, thanks ;-)
[11:53] <gcollura> is there a way to force the PageHead to show?
[14:48] <someDeveloper> hey
[14:48] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, hey
[14:49] <someDeveloper> i have a question
[14:49] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, shoot
[14:49] <someDeveloper> how do i contribute to the ubuntu project ?
[14:50] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, great question.
[14:50] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, best first step, is to set up a launchpad account.
[14:50] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, second best step, is to figure out what you'd like to contribute to.
[14:51] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, any idea what you want to help with?
[14:51] <akiva-thinkpad> software development?
[14:51] <someDeveloper> sorry for the ignorance , what is  a launchpad account?
[14:52] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, its like github
[14:52] <someDeveloper> ok
[14:52] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, thats where we submit bugs, host projects, and keep our code
[14:53] <someDeveloper> i got deep knowledge in php,js,html,css,java,linux
[14:54] <someDeveloper> how do i start working on projects  ?
[14:55] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, Find a project that interests you on launchpad
[14:55] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, for example; I like developing for the phone, so I contribute to the Core Apps
[14:56] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, you will want to download the ubuntu sdk for that.
[14:56] <someDeveloper> ok
[14:56] <someDeveloper> thanks  akiva-thinkpad
[14:56] <akiva-thinkpad> someDeveloper, http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/
[14:56] <someDeveloper> !!!
[14:56] <akiva-thinkpad> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa
[14:57] <akiva-thinkpad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[14:57] <akiva-thinkpad> in this, it gives you a dozen or so projects that need your help
[14:58] <someDeveloper> great man
[14:58] <someDeveloper> thanks again
[14:59] <akiva-thinkpad> np
[15:25] <aquarius> mhall119, a thing about developer.ubuntu.com -- starting from the front page and following links, I can't find the actual API documentation for all the QML widgets. Lots of guides and tutorials, and I know the API docs are on there somewhere, but I can't find them!
[15:28] <daker> aquarius: you mean the submenus ?
[15:29] <aquarius> daker, well, I'm not sure what precisely I mean. I wanted to find the documentation for a Tabs object, and I'd normally just google "ubuntu sdk tabs", but I thought I'd try and find it by browsing around... and I couldn't.
[15:30] <aquarius> which suggests to me that either I'm stupid or the actual documentation is not obvious enough by comparison with all the "getting started" guides and tutorials and overview pages and whatnot.
[15:30] <aquarius> I'm happy to take either side of that bet
[15:31] <rpadovani> aquarius, ?? developer.ubuntu.com -> Apps -> Qml -> API -> Development -> Components -> Tabs
[15:31] <aquarius> but to confirm it, it might be useful to user test it -- pick a couple of random people who are Ubuntu SDK developers, sit them in front of developer.ubuntu.com, and say "find the documentation for a ListItem.Standard without searching". :)
[15:31] <daker> aquarius: ah i see
[15:32] <aquarius> ah, I didn't see that tiny menu at the top
[15:32] <rpadovani> lol
[15:32] <aquarius> I read through http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/ and then at the bottom there are some nice clear links to installation steps, a getting started tutorial, design guides, and askubuntu, but not to the actual api docs.
[15:33] <aquarius> Maybe another link in the "Next steps" section to http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/api/ would be good
[15:55] <aquarius> How am I *supposed* to put tappable icons in the header of an SDK app? I know there's a backwards compatibility thing which makes old-style bottom-edge toolbars appear up there; is that how I'm meant to do it?
[15:58] <aquarius> (that is: am I supposed to put icons in the header by setting tools: ToolbarItems {} on the Page?)
[16:03] <aquarius> Also, I can set an iconName on a ListItem, but how do I *unset* it and make the icon disappear again? It requires a qstring, so I can't feed it null or undefined, and if I set it to "" it doesn't unset.
[16:11] <DanChapman> aquarius: use the PageHeadConfiguration component aka head.actions: [] list property in the Page  http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.PageHeadConfiguration/
[16:17] <aquarius> DanChapman, ooh, nice one
[16:17] <aquarius> thank you
[16:26] <aquarius> making my own custom ListItem, again
[16:26] <aquarius> twice in one project. How lucky am I?
[17:29] <aquarius> is Scrollbar supposed to work? It doesn't seem to. In particular, how do I have a scrollbar for a listview inside a column?
[17:34] <DanChapman> aquarius: may be a stupid question but have you set the Scrollbar's flickableItem to be the listview? also i've noticed previously the scrollbar was only visible on desktop, i don't know if that's changed though
[17:35] <aquarius> DanChapman, I have
[17:35] <aquarius> ListView {
[17:35] <aquarius>                         Scrollbar {
[17:35] <aquarius>                             flickableItem: urllist
[17:35] <aquarius>                             align: Qt.AlignTrailing
[17:35] <aquarius>                         }
[17:35] <aquarius>                         id: urllist
[17:35] <aquarius> ah, maybe it's because it only appears on desktop, then
[17:35] <aquarius> that's a bit rubbish :(
[17:37] <DanChapman> aquarius: yeah i thought the same. I wanted a quick way to scroll back up the message list in dekko :-(
[17:37] <aquarius> double bah to that, then
[17:39] <DanChapman> :-)
[17:42] <DanChapman> aquarius: the scrollbar is visible on my nexus 4. look really closely as you scroll. like eyes right up to the screen!! it's almost the same color as the background and it dissapears as soon as you stop scrolling
[17:45] <aquarius> hm, I'll look again -- I'm running in the emulator
[17:45] <DanChapman> aquarius: http://i.imgur.com/QzMpyIJ.png right side of item 36.
[17:46] <aquarius> do you know, I think it's there
[17:46] <aquarius> that's the closest thing to invisible that I've ever, ever seen
[17:46] <aquarius> looking at my screen here
[17:46] <aquarius> in my app
[17:47] <aquarius> I am, honestly, not totally sure it's there at all or if I'm imagining it
[17:47] <aquarius> that's useless. Oi, SDK team, why is the scrollbar practically invisible? ;-)
[17:48] <bzoltan_> aquarius:  that is not our fault ... you better lobby at the design team
[17:48] <aquarius> bzoltan_, it's at least visible on DanChapman's screenshot
[17:48] <aquarius> I have a dark coloured background
[17:55] <aquarius> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1404540 filed, including screenshit
[17:55] <aquarius> er!
[17:55] <aquarius> screenshot.
[17:55] <bzoltan_> aquarius:  screen what? :D
[17:56] <aquarius> if you zoom the screenshot up about five times, and squint, and look where the guidelines I drew were, you can see it.
[17:56] <aquarius> but it's stupid. Surely the design team didn't say "spend developer effort drawing a scrollbar that only hawks can see"? :)
[17:57] <bzoltan_> aquarius:  I agree. Let me sort it out on Monday.
[18:00] <aquarius> yay! another good deed done for the universe :)
[18:31] <zsombi_> bzoltan_: do you wanna fix it yourself? ;)
[18:56] <DanChapman> with bzr is there an easy way to cherrypick out a previous revision without reverting newer commits ?
[18:57] <DanChapman> bzr revert doesn't seem to have an option for it and seems it will wipe everything newer
[19:07] <aquarius> I don't know much about detailed use of bzr :(
[19:40] <rpadovani> Danishman, bzr merge . -r nnn..mmm
[19:41] <rpadovani> DanChapman, ^^
[19:41] <rpadovani> where nnn is the revision you want to remove
[19:41] <rpadovani> and mmm is nnn-1
[19:45] <Danishman> Yes I am a male software developer from Denmark
[19:54] <rpadovani> I mismatched tab completion, sorry
[20:00] <DanChapman> rpadovani: ahh excellent! would never have thought to use merge. That seems kind of backwards tbh. Thanks!! :-D
[20:01] <rpadovani> you're welcome :-)
[20:02] <bzoltan_> zsombi_: sure :)