/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/12/20/#ubuntu-za.txt

theblazehenMorning02:18
captinetheblazehen, you were up early06:43
theblazehencaptine: yeah :/06:43
captinesame here.  son woke me 4 times in the night....06:43
theblazehenouch. 06:44
KilosMaaz: hi08:10
MaazHowzit Kilos08:10
Kiloshi theblazehen and others08:11
Kiloslate nights kill me08:11
theblazehenHi Kilos 08:11
theblazehenRynomster: you change name again?08:12
Kiloshaha hi Rynomster 08:13
Kilosyou early captine 08:13
Squirmhey all09:11
Kiloshi Squirm 09:11
SquirmAnyone here know of a Hack Space in Cape Town?09:11
KilosMaaz: google google09:11
MaazKilos: "Google" http://www.google.com/ :: "Google Maps" https://maps.google.com/ :: "Gmail - Google" https://mail.google.com/ :: "Google Translate" http://translate.google.com/ :: "Google News" http://news.google.com/ :: "Google - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google :: "Google - Mountain View, CA - Website | Facebook"09:11
Maazhttps://www.facebook.com/Google :: "Google (@google) | Twitter" https://twitter.com/google09:11
Kilosyoooohhoooooo who fixed it09:11
SquirmTurns out I can't post to the list, for some reason I'm being marked as Spam09:11
tumbleweedSquirm: code bridge?09:12
Kilosis there a mail from you there Squirm ?09:12
Kilosmorning tumbleweed did you fix ibid?09:13
tumbleweedKilos: not i09:13
Kilosoh my goodness, well i gotta find who to thank09:14
Kilosmaybe gremble09:14
tumbleweedI'd guess if anyone it was google09:14
Kiloscan you trace who did it09:14
Kilosyou think they restored the api09:15
tumbleweednobody has submitted any patches, so most likely, yes09:15
Kilossjoe ty09:16
Kiloshows life in the states09:16
tumbleweednot bad. But right now, I'm in cape town :)09:16
Kilosyay welcome home09:16
Squirmtumbleweed: Like that. Just can't afford R300pm :/09:17
tumbleweedyou can visit every now and then for free. you just can't work from there all the time for free09:18
SquirmYeah... It'll just be weekends09:19
SquirmIf that09:19
SquirmI have a project I want to start. Don't know if I'll even be able to do it09:20
KilosSquirm: i dont see you in my spam folder09:21
SquirmKilos: you a part of the CT Mailing list too?09:21
Squirmand no, it was rejected completely09:22
Squirmbounced back to me09:22
Kilosoh no, im on our list09:22
Kiloseish09:22
Kilosand today ive forgotten how to put in my launchpad id09:23
Kilossigh09:23
Kilos~msdomdonner then dunno what launchpad.net09:24
Kilosdunno if its a . or /09:24
Kilosgrrrr09:24
Kilosyay ive been a member for 4 years and 34 weeks09:33
Kilostheblazehen: the ibids can google again09:39
theblazehenKilos: nice09:57
Kilosya me happy09:57
charlgood morning10:21
charlMaaz: coffee on10:21
* Maaz starts grinding coffee10:22
Kiloshi charl 10:22
KilosMaaz: coffee please10:22
MaazKilos: Yessir10:22
charlhi Kilos 10:22
charlhow are you this morning10:22
Kilosgood ty and you? was very tired early on10:23
Kiloslate nights in the big city not good for ballies10:24
MaazCoffee's ready for charl and Kilos!10:26
KilosMaaz: gracias amigo10:26
Maaz¡de nada compadre10:26
charlMaaz: danke10:28
MaazBitteschön10:28
charllol i'm good thanks10:29
grembleo/11:01
SquirmCheers all11:05
SquirmFinished work11:05
Squirm^^11:05
Kiloshi gremble 11:05
Kilosyay Squirm 11:06
Kilosgremble: ibids can google again11:06
grembleoh nice11:19
grembleDid someone fix it, or did google just fix it?11:22
Kilosthe weed thinks google did11:25
Kilosnow we just gotta see if it has that 100 query limit in11:27
Kilosoh and still make it work with python311:33
Kilosbad news when snakes keep mutating11:46
Kilosjust now we have a venomous python that spits like a spitting cobra too11:47
grembleThat would be pretty cool12:12
magespawngood afternoon12:24
Maazmagespawn: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell magespawn http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+junk/ubuntuza-site/view/head:/README.rst" 1 day, 14 hours, 37 minutes and 4 seconds ago12:24
magespawnMaaz thanks12:24
Maazmagespawn: No problem12:24
Kiloshi mage12:28
Kilosoh12:28
Kiloswb magespawn \12:28
magespawnwell that was a quick in and out12:31
magespawnhow are you Kilos /12:31
magespawn?12:31
Kilosim good ty magespawn  and you12:31
Kilosjust need sleep i think12:32
Kilos2 late nights inna row are heavy12:32
magespawnvery good thanks, i have managed to sort a part of of one of the networks that has been giving me hassels for about a week12:32
Kilosbut that funny thing works12:32
Kilosgreat12:33
Kilosdo you actually find the prob or just isolate sections12:33
Kiloslightning or what12:35
magespawnwell the one mikrotik card is flaky but that might be the power on the site12:37
Kilossjoe12:37
magespawnthen a Ubiquiti Nanobridge M5 lost its lan port but was stil working through wireless12:38
Kiloswhat power you got there?12:38
magespawnand the router in the office has also been affected12:38
Kiloswow whats causing all these things12:38
magespawnat the mikrotik it is farm power but it charges a battery that runns the site12:38
Kilosyou got lightning protectors in and surge protectors?12:38
magespawneskom and lightening12:39
Kiloseish12:39
magespawnon all the external equipment12:39
Kiloswell lightning you can control12:40
Kilosjust have to hide sensitive stuff12:40
Kiloscant sorry12:40
Kilosmany lightning rods all over higher than you equipment and earthed into damp soil12:42
Kilosai!12:42
magespawncannot control eskom either12:43
magespawncannot control eskom either12:43
Kiloslo, ya man you can with major ups's and large batteriers12:43
Kilosbatteries12:43
Kilosthe thing is how good do you want to spend12:44
magespawnthat is about it, and they have to line interactive ups12:44
Kilosi saw a link somewhere that supplies real big ones, but they cost a fortune12:45
magespawnthe link here is still not perfect, it still needs some work12:45
Kiloswell you the mechanic, just fix it12:46
Kilosor ill set the pro on you12:46
magespawnlol12:47
Kilosi think town peeps dont understand the out in the sticks probs12:48
magespawnback again12:55
magespawnthat was a power dip12:55
magespawnso it looks like the batteries at the high site need to be replaced12:56
Kilosaha12:58
magespawnmy ping times for the 5-8 km link for the headoffice insto empangeni are between 1.5ms - 3.5ms13:28
magespawnfrom the headoffice into empangeni13:28
grembleWhat should it be?13:29
magespawnthat is what it was before all the problems13:30
magespawni think i can make the one section of the link much better13:31
magespawni am seeing a lot of noise on the one section of the link13:31
magespawnthere is a lot of other peoples link there that are all using channels that are very close together13:35
theblazehenmagespawn: that would mainly only change speed, not latency, right?13:35
magespawnspeed and latency are almost the same think when it comes to the ptp links 13:40
magespawnall of our traffic goes from the router at the head office through the wireless links to emapangeni13:41
magespawnempangeni13:41
magespawnlet me see if i have a map somewhere13:42
magespawnif there is a lot of radio noise on the one link that will cause a lot of retransmissions increasing latency13:44
magespawnwhat is the name of the picture paste bin service?13:45
magespawni can never remember13:45
Kilospicpaste.com13:45
magespawnty13:45
Kilosonly one i can remember13:45
magespawnhttp://picpaste.com/Felixton__Canefields__ECC_Wireless_Network-Cgg02ZUp.png13:47
magespawnit is the link bewteen the first and second mikrotik that is the problem13:48
magespawni might also just need to adust the antennae alignment a bit13:48
Kiloscan you see the signal strenght between them magespawn ?13:49
Kilosstrength13:49
magespawnstrange they picpaste does not accept .odg files13:49
Kilosya maybe they not alighned properly13:49
Kilossjoe13:50
Kilosaligned13:50
magespawnyes on each piece of equipment to can see the signal strength, tx and rx and the amount of bandwidth you have bewteen your signal strength and the noise13:50
Kilosalinged13:51
Kilosthat thing man13:51
Kilosall look wrong13:51
magespawnsecond one i think Kilos 13:52
Kilosmaybe some bird bird use one antenna as a bounce off point13:52
magespawnhttp://dl.ubnt.com/newsletters/0113/images/0113_a5.jpg13:52
magespawn^^ that is what one of the screens looks like when you log in13:53
Kilosis there some way of watching the signal strength while aligning13:53
Kiloslike with a yagi on cell signels13:54
magespawnyes 13:54
magespawnbut you have to logged into the device13:54
Kilossurely you need 2 peeps but13:54
magespawnto do that for each one i will have to test between each link13:55
Kilosone to align and other to watch other end'13:55
Kiloswell start with the ones you pinpoint as the worst13:55
magespawnyou can do it yourself it just means in the case of the high site ihave to take the laptop up on top of the roof with me13:56
magespawnand if i connect my laptop i break the link because of using the network cable13:56
magespawnfrom the adsl router to first mikrotik is a lan cable, then to second mikrotik wireless, then to first nanobeam cable, then wireless to second nanobeam then cable to the linksys13:58
Kilossjoe14:00
Kilosfix it man dont swear at me14:01
magespawnjust gotta go quickly take all my tools etc down and then it is off home 14:02
Kilosif each wireless antenna has good line of site to the next one you should be ok14:02
Kilosmaybe new trees grew between them this summer14:02
Kilosget chainsaws14:02
magespawnyeah they do just the one link going into empangeni is a problem14:02
magespawni don't think it is that, lol, i just think that all the other networks are all using channels close to each other14:03
Kilossomeone built a shopping centre in between14:03
Kilosyou need to go higher then14:03
Kilosor put a booster by the obstruction14:04
magespawnif there are other networks using the same channel or ones close to it then it interupts your signal, so you just change your channel and all is good again14:06
magespawni got to go now, see you later14:07
Kiloseish14:07
Kilosso you move frequencies14:07
Kilosyour cell should be able to see what other wireless signals are working in the area wont it14:08
magespawnyup anything between 5.0 Ghz and 5.8Ghz14:08
magespawnno completly different frequencies14:08
magespawncell is between 800Mhz and 2.1 Ghz i think, if i recall correctly14:09
Kilosfind whose messing things up and shoot them14:09
Kilosmy wirelss card was 2.4g band14:10
magespawnja sorry it is 800 Mhz and 1900 MHz14:10
Kilosis there no way to get a physical line to empangeni14:11
magespawnthere are two licence free bands 2Ghz - 2.8Ghz and 5Ghz to 5.8Ghz14:11
magespawnKilos that is 5km as the crow flies, so it would a tad expensive14:11
Kilosya but a bad link is useless even if its free14:11
Kilosya14:12
magespawnthe link is not bad just not optimal right now14:12
Kiloskill the crow14:12
Kilosits blocking the signal14:12
magespawngotta go now, home time for me14:12
Kilosgo safe14:12
magespawncheers14:13
Kilosshame14:13
Kiloshmm...14:58
Kilossjoe, kinda hot now15:00
Kiloshows the mosquitoes gremble 15:01
grembleI haven't slept at home for a week. So I am not bothered much15:01
grembleThey aren't here where I am that much15:01
Kilosit was you plagued by them wasnt it15:01
Kilosaha15:01
Kiloseish! another pest16:00
Kiloshttp://donsmaps.com/goldenthread.html16:00
grembleIsn't that in the US Kilos ?16:03
Kiloswe have it in the garden between pecan nut trees16:03
Kilosspreads over a meter in w week16:03
Kilossister says if it reaches the trees it will eventually kill them16:04
Kilosshe also says it can be used to cause abortion16:04
Kilossjoe16:05
grembleAnd a contraceptive16:05
grembleCan't you take it out?16:05
Kilosi will see what can be done tomorrow16:06
grembleI bought a domain for my website yesterday16:06
gremble:P16:06
gremblehttp://grump.xyz16:07
Kilosit sticks to all plant leaves it covers so i dont know if just pulling it off will remove it all16:07
grembleJust set everything on fire16:08
gremble:P16:08
Kilosyeah im a great believer in fire but all the grass and weeds it covering now are green16:08
Kilosso fire gonna be tough to make there16:08
Kiloslekker that domain16:09
Kiloswhere you bought it and how much16:09
grembleI got it from Namecheap. It was $10.8816:09
Kilosian bought one and site host at hetzner16:10
Kilosone time buy?16:10
grembleNo, yearly subscription16:10
Kilosi wish one could still get a free domain name16:12
Kilosi save ever cent for data an pc stuff16:12
Kilossaving for a i5 cpu for here16:13
grembleDo you have a board with appropriate chipset?16:14
Kilosya a 1155 with 4g ddr316:19
Kilosi bought the board beginning of the year but didnt have enough for more than a dual core cpu16:19
Kilosand with a 3g dual core its quite fast already so with i5 it should rock16:21
grembleHmm I have to get a new laptop ;x16:21
grembleBut they are so expensive16:21
Kiloseverything is. times are really tough16:21
Kilosi dont mind second hand things but not sure about a lappy 16:22
Kilosian got an i7 and an i5 for 7k16:22
Kiloswb plustwo 16:23
Kiloswat breek julle nou weer16:23
Kiloshaha i like the grumbles part gremble16:24
Kilosvery fitting16:24
Kilosdont grumble gremble16:24
gremble:P16:28
Rynomstertheblazehen: I think everytime I DC, my name changes.. lol16:34
inetprogood evening18:16
Kiloshi inetpro 18:16
Kilosif my head pops its your fault18:17
inetprosuperfly: btw, we don't need to create soft links for the virtualenv stuff18:17
inetproa simple 'source bin/activate' will do18:17
inetproor even just '. bin/activate'18:17
Kilosthe flu not here yet man18:17
inetprohe'll get it18:18
Kilosdoesnt quassel show you anything18:18
inetprohi Kilos, hoe gaan dit vandag?18:19
inetprowhy you popping the head?18:19
Kilosek gaan aan dankie en jy?18:19
inetprowas too hot for me again today18:20
Kilosja tuday was heavy, i thought it was going to rain but no luck18:21
Kilossjoe typos18:21
inetprono worries18:21
Kiloseven now the heat is still heavy18:24
superflyinetpro: yeah, for the most part18:47
superflyinetpro: I've had some issues in the past, so I just go with direct links18:47
magespawngood evening18:59
magespawnKilos must be tired two late nights in a row19:00
Kiloshi magespawn superfly \\19:00
Kiloshehe19:00
magespawnhey Kilos 19:00
magespawni missed your nick on the list19:00
inetproKilos: \\ ?19:00
Kiloscrooked fingers19:00
Kilosad eye19:00
Kilosdunno19:01
Kilosbad19:01
Kilosmust remove that \ key19:01
Kilosi normally delete it19:01
superflyhi Kilos, magespawn19:01
magespawnhi superfly inetpro19:02
theblazehen_http://torcache.net/torrent/2D67AEA7D77E83E292726F4161D1F37B8952DD0E.torrent?title=[kickass.so]need.for.speed.most.wanted well, this is interesting..19:02
theblazehen_hi superfly19:02
theblazehen_wrong link19:02
theblazehen_http://uploads.ungrounded.net/556000/556644_YFYIAR.swf *19:02
magespawnhmm theblazehen_, that might qualify as a freudian slip19:05
theblazehen_magespawn: lol, for some reason link just didn't wanna copy19:06
magespawndo you guyes prefer your text books as ebooks or real paper?19:08
magespawnguys19:08
theblazehen_magespawn: well you can't grep real paper..19:09
magespawnindeed19:09
theblazehen_Technically I don't think you can grep a pdf either..19:10
magespawni find it strange the the ebook is the same price as the hard copy19:10
theblazehen_yeah19:10
magespawni would have thought it cost less to do an ebook19:10
theblazehen_Well you can print the ebook19:10
theblazehen_yeah. Be carefull of DRM19:10
theblazehen_Might not work in linux19:10
magespawncalibre seems to handle most formats well, but i was looking at google play, so it would be on the tablet and phone19:13
grembleYou can break DRM easily enough with calibre19:15
magespawnanybody want to voice an opinion as to what certifications would be a +?19:15
grembleI wouldn't get an ebook text book because you can only "rent" them19:15
gremblethat is the ones from Cengage19:15
grembleI don't know if other publishers are as horrible as that19:15
magespawngremble even if you have bought them from google play?19:15
grembleGoogle Play I have no idea19:16
grembleI usually steal ebooks. I buy hardcopies of the really nice ones19:16
magespawni know amazon looks at it that way, they have a history of removing books from kindles19:16
superflymagespawn: not any more19:17
superflythere was some outrage, and they've stopped19:17
magespawnthat is a good thing then19:17
grembleYou can't put a book that you've bought from Kalahari.com on a kindle19:20
gremble:P19:20
grembleI had to teach my mother how to remove the DRM so that she can read her books19:21
magespawnthey have their own device don't they?19:21
magespawni forget the name19:22
grembleI don't know19:24
grembleI read paper and write with pens like a lunatic from the middle ages19:25
magespawnlol 19:26
magespawni generally like to read paper too, but ireally like the idea of all the books in one place19:26
grembleThat is called a bookcase19:26
gremble:P19:27
grembleSometimes even a library19:27
magespawnwould clear the clutter out of my house for one19:27
grembleShut your whore mouth D: Books are not clutter19:27
magespawn i tend to leave books lying around to my wifes distraction19:27
Kiloslol19:27
magespawnindeed they just take up so much space19:28
magespawnsomething that i am running out of19:29
grembleI repurposed the kitchen of the house that I am staying in as a work area19:30
grembleI just have to make sure I don't set my articles on fire when I use toe stove19:31
gremble:P19:31
Kilosi often wonder which one of you all is the biggest nut19:36
* theblazehen_ goes to bed19:37
Kilosnight theblazehen_ 19:39
grembleNight theblazehen_ 19:44
grembleWhy do you wonder that Kilos ?19:44
Kiloswell its like a competition19:44
Kilosjust when i think i found him someone else comes up with something even more nuts19:45
Kilosthings like19:46
KilosShut your whore mouth19:46
Kiloshahaha19:46
Kilossis man19:47
grembleHaha19:49
grembleThat is a horrible habit I picked up when trying to over-exaggerate a stance :P19:49
Kiloswhy you dress up like a weed19:49
Kiloswith such a bright future you gotta wear shades19:50
Kilosput your face there man, then you can wear shades19:50
Kilosweeds like the sun19:51
Kilosinetpro: how much time you got?19:52
grembleBut...that is my face19:52
Kilosno man19:53
grembleThere was an accident at pelindaba19:53
inetproKilos: why?19:53
grembleIt left me lik that19:53
Kilosif it is you need a shave worse than i do19:53
Kilosi just want to know what this does inetpro 19:53
Kilosnot end result , step by step19:54
Kilos../../venv/bin/nikola serve19:54
Kilosthe first bit19:54
Kilos ../..19:54
Kilosis that cli cheats'19:54
grembleIn the file system, . is "this directory" .. is "the directory just abover this directory"19:55
grembleso ../.. goes up two directories19:55
gremblethen looks for the directory called venv, inside which is /bin/nikola, an executable19:55
grembleIt is run with the argument serve19:56
inetproKilos: what gremble said ^^19:56
Kiloswhew19:56
Kilosnow the pro smiling again19:56
Kilosok so19:56
grembleto create a server on localhost:8000, and parse the reStructedText files to turn them into the website19:56
Kilosthat will only work when you are in the right folder to start with19:57
grembleYes19:57
Kilosaha19:57
grembleand if /venv/ exists 19:57
grembleif I recall correctly, python virtual environments can have any name19:57
Kilosi tried the nikola thing this morning and only got it going after cd blah blah a few times19:58
grembleAh ok19:58
Kilosi first tried going with my browser but only after that serv command did browser fing the page19:59
Kilosthis virtual thing is lots for me to savvy19:59
grembleYes, because the page doesn't exist before you serv it19:59
Kilosbut he leaves me to battle first20:01
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 20:05
ThatGraemeGuy'lo20:14
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:21
superflySquirm: ping20:31

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