[02:18] <theblazehen> Morning
[06:43] <captine> theblazehen, you were up early
[06:43] <theblazehen> captine: yeah :/
[06:43] <captine> same here.  son woke me 4 times in the night....
[06:44] <theblazehen> ouch. 
[08:10] <Kilos> Maaz: hi
[08:10] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[08:11] <Kilos> hi theblazehen and others
[08:11] <Kilos> late nights kill me
[08:11] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos 
[08:12] <theblazehen> Rynomster: you change name again?
[08:13] <Kilos> haha hi Rynomster 
[08:13] <Kilos> you early captine 
[09:11] <Squirm> hey all
[09:11] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[09:11] <Squirm> Anyone here know of a Hack Space in Cape Town?
[09:11] <Kilos> Maaz: google google
[09:11] <Maaz> Kilos: "Google" http://www.google.com/ :: "Google Maps" https://maps.google.com/ :: "Gmail - Google" https://mail.google.com/ :: "Google Translate" http://translate.google.com/ :: "Google News" http://news.google.com/ :: "Google - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google :: "Google - Mountain View, CA - Website | Facebook"
[09:11] <Maaz> https://www.facebook.com/Google :: "Google (@google) | Twitter" https://twitter.com/google
[09:11] <Kilos> yoooohhoooooo who fixed it
[09:11] <Squirm> Turns out I can't post to the list, for some reason I'm being marked as Spam
[09:12] <tumbleweed> Squirm: code bridge?
[09:12] <Kilos> is there a mail from you there Squirm ?
[09:13] <Kilos> morning tumbleweed did you fix ibid?
[09:13] <tumbleweed> Kilos: not i
[09:14] <Kilos> oh my goodness, well i gotta find who to thank
[09:14] <Kilos> maybe gremble
[09:14] <tumbleweed> I'd guess if anyone it was google
[09:14] <Kilos> can you trace who did it
[09:15] <Kilos> you think they restored the api
[09:15] <tumbleweed> nobody has submitted any patches, so most likely, yes
[09:16] <Kilos> sjoe ty
[09:16] <Kilos> hows life in the states
[09:16] <tumbleweed> not bad. But right now, I'm in cape town :)
[09:16] <Kilos> yay welcome home
[09:17] <Squirm> tumbleweed: Like that. Just can't afford R300pm :/
[09:18] <tumbleweed> you can visit every now and then for free. you just can't work from there all the time for free
[09:19] <Squirm> Yeah... It'll just be weekends
[09:19] <Squirm> If that
[09:20] <Squirm> I have a project I want to start. Don't know if I'll even be able to do it
[09:21] <Kilos> Squirm: i dont see you in my spam folder
[09:21] <Squirm> Kilos: you a part of the CT Mailing list too?
[09:22] <Squirm> and no, it was rejected completely
[09:22] <Squirm> bounced back to me
[09:22] <Kilos> oh no, im on our list
[09:22] <Kilos> eish
[09:23] <Kilos> and today ive forgotten how to put in my launchpad id
[09:23] <Kilos> sigh
[09:24] <Kilos> ~msdomdonner then dunno what launchpad.net
[09:24] <Kilos> dunno if its a . or /
[09:24] <Kilos> grrrr
[09:33] <Kilos> yay ive been a member for 4 years and 34 weeks
[09:39] <Kilos> theblazehen: the ibids can google again
[09:57] <theblazehen> Kilos: nice
[09:57] <Kilos> ya me happy
[10:21] <charl> good morning
[10:21] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:22] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:22] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[10:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[10:22] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:22] <charl> how are you this morning
[10:23] <Kilos> good ty and you? was very tired early on
[10:24] <Kilos> late nights in the big city not good for ballies
[10:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[10:26] <Kilos> Maaz: gracias amigo
[10:26] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[10:28] <charl> Maaz: danke
[10:28] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[10:29] <charl> lol i'm good thanks
[11:01] <gremble> o/
[11:05] <Squirm> Cheers all
[11:05] <Squirm> Finished work
[11:05] <Squirm> ^^
[11:05] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[11:06] <Kilos> yay Squirm 
[11:06] <Kilos> gremble: ibids can google again
[11:19] <gremble> oh nice
[11:22] <gremble> Did someone fix it, or did google just fix it?
[11:25] <Kilos> the weed thinks google did
[11:27] <Kilos> now we just gotta see if it has that 100 query limit in
[11:33] <Kilos> oh and still make it work with python3
[11:46] <Kilos> bad news when snakes keep mutating
[11:47] <Kilos> just now we have a venomous python that spits like a spitting cobra too
[12:12] <gremble> That would be pretty cool
[12:24] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:24] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell magespawn http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+junk/ubuntuza-site/view/head:/README.rst" 1 day, 14 hours, 37 minutes and 4 seconds ago
[12:24] <magespawn> Maaz thanks
[12:24] <Maaz> magespawn: No problem
[12:28] <Kilos> hi mage
[12:28] <Kilos> oh
[12:28] <Kilos> wb magespawn \
[12:31] <magespawn> well that was a quick in and out
[12:31] <magespawn> how are you Kilos /
[12:31] <magespawn> ?
[12:31] <Kilos> im good ty magespawn  and you
[12:32] <Kilos> just need sleep i think
[12:32] <Kilos> 2 late nights inna row are heavy
[12:32] <magespawn> very good thanks, i have managed to sort a part of of one of the networks that has been giving me hassels for about a week
[12:32] <Kilos> but that funny thing works
[12:33] <Kilos> great
[12:33] <Kilos> do you actually find the prob or just isolate sections
[12:35] <Kilos> lightning or what
[12:37] <magespawn> well the one mikrotik card is flaky but that might be the power on the site
[12:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:38] <magespawn> then a Ubiquiti Nanobridge M5 lost its lan port but was stil working through wireless
[12:38] <Kilos> what power you got there?
[12:38] <magespawn> and the router in the office has also been affected
[12:38] <Kilos> wow whats causing all these things
[12:38] <magespawn> at the mikrotik it is farm power but it charges a battery that runns the site
[12:38] <Kilos> you got lightning protectors in and surge protectors?
[12:39] <magespawn> eskom and lightening
[12:39] <Kilos> eish
[12:39] <magespawn> on all the external equipment
[12:40] <Kilos> well lightning you can control
[12:40] <Kilos> just have to hide sensitive stuff
[12:40] <Kilos> cant sorry
[12:42] <Kilos> many lightning rods all over higher than you equipment and earthed into damp soil
[12:42] <Kilos> ai!
[12:43] <magespawn> cannot control eskom either
[12:43] <magespawn> cannot control eskom either
[12:43] <Kilos> lo, ya man you can with major ups's and large batteriers
[12:43] <Kilos> batteries
[12:44] <Kilos> the thing is how good do you want to spend
[12:44] <magespawn> that is about it, and they have to line interactive ups
[12:45] <Kilos> i saw a link somewhere that supplies real big ones, but they cost a fortune
[12:45] <magespawn> the link here is still not perfect, it still needs some work
[12:46] <Kilos> well you the mechanic, just fix it
[12:46] <Kilos> or ill set the pro on you
[12:47] <magespawn> lol
[12:48] <Kilos> i think town peeps dont understand the out in the sticks probs
[12:55] <magespawn> back again
[12:55] <magespawn> that was a power dip
[12:56] <magespawn> so it looks like the batteries at the high site need to be replaced
[12:58] <Kilos> aha
[13:28] <magespawn> my ping times for the 5-8 km link for the headoffice insto empangeni are between 1.5ms - 3.5ms
[13:28] <magespawn> from the headoffice into empangeni
[13:29] <gremble> What should it be?
[13:30] <magespawn> that is what it was before all the problems
[13:31] <magespawn> i think i can make the one section of the link much better
[13:31] <magespawn> i am seeing a lot of noise on the one section of the link
[13:35] <magespawn> there is a lot of other peoples link there that are all using channels that are very close together
[13:35] <theblazehen> magespawn: that would mainly only change speed, not latency, right?
[13:40] <magespawn> speed and latency are almost the same think when it comes to the ptp links 
[13:41] <magespawn> all of our traffic goes from the router at the head office through the wireless links to emapangeni
[13:41] <magespawn> empangeni
[13:42] <magespawn> let me see if i have a map somewhere
[13:44] <magespawn> if there is a lot of radio noise on the one link that will cause a lot of retransmissions increasing latency
[13:45] <magespawn> what is the name of the picture paste bin service?
[13:45] <magespawn> i can never remember
[13:45] <Kilos> picpaste.com
[13:45] <magespawn> ty
[13:45] <Kilos> only one i can remember
[13:47] <magespawn> http://picpaste.com/Felixton__Canefields__ECC_Wireless_Network-Cgg02ZUp.png
[13:48] <magespawn> it is the link bewteen the first and second mikrotik that is the problem
[13:48] <magespawn> i might also just need to adust the antennae alignment a bit
[13:49] <Kilos> can you see the signal strenght between them magespawn ?
[13:49] <Kilos> strength
[13:49] <magespawn> strange they picpaste does not accept .odg files
[13:49] <Kilos> ya maybe they not alighned properly
[13:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:50] <Kilos> aligned
[13:50] <magespawn> yes on each piece of equipment to can see the signal strength, tx and rx and the amount of bandwidth you have bewteen your signal strength and the noise
[13:51] <Kilos> alinged
[13:51] <Kilos> that thing man
[13:51] <Kilos> all look wrong
[13:52] <magespawn> second one i think Kilos 
[13:52] <Kilos> maybe some bird bird use one antenna as a bounce off point
[13:52] <magespawn> http://dl.ubnt.com/newsletters/0113/images/0113_a5.jpg
[13:53] <magespawn> ^^ that is what one of the screens looks like when you log in
[13:53] <Kilos> is there some way of watching the signal strength while aligning
[13:54] <Kilos> like with a yagi on cell signels
[13:54] <magespawn> yes 
[13:54] <magespawn> but you have to logged into the device
[13:54] <Kilos> surely you need 2 peeps but
[13:55] <magespawn> to do that for each one i will have to test between each link
[13:55] <Kilos> one to align and other to watch other end'
[13:55] <Kilos> well start with the ones you pinpoint as the worst
[13:56] <magespawn> you can do it yourself it just means in the case of the high site ihave to take the laptop up on top of the roof with me
[13:56] <magespawn> and if i connect my laptop i break the link because of using the network cable
[13:58] <magespawn> from the adsl router to first mikrotik is a lan cable, then to second mikrotik wireless, then to first nanobeam cable, then wireless to second nanobeam then cable to the linksys
[14:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:01] <Kilos> fix it man dont swear at me
[14:02] <magespawn> just gotta go quickly take all my tools etc down and then it is off home 
[14:02] <Kilos> if each wireless antenna has good line of site to the next one you should be ok
[14:02] <Kilos> maybe new trees grew between them this summer
[14:02] <Kilos> get chainsaws
[14:02] <magespawn> yeah they do just the one link going into empangeni is a problem
[14:03] <magespawn> i don't think it is that, lol, i just think that all the other networks are all using channels close to each other
[14:03] <Kilos> someone built a shopping centre in between
[14:03] <Kilos> you need to go higher then
[14:04] <Kilos> or put a booster by the obstruction
[14:06] <magespawn> if there are other networks using the same channel or ones close to it then it interupts your signal, so you just change your channel and all is good again
[14:07] <magespawn> i got to go now, see you later
[14:07] <Kilos> eish
[14:07] <Kilos> so you move frequencies
[14:08] <Kilos> your cell should be able to see what other wireless signals are working in the area wont it
[14:08] <magespawn> yup anything between 5.0 Ghz and 5.8Ghz
[14:08] <magespawn> no completly different frequencies
[14:09] <magespawn> cell is between 800Mhz and 2.1 Ghz i think, if i recall correctly
[14:09] <Kilos> find whose messing things up and shoot them
[14:10] <Kilos> my wirelss card was 2.4g band
[14:10] <magespawn> ja sorry it is 800 Mhz and 1900 MHz
[14:11] <Kilos> is there no way to get a physical line to empangeni
[14:11] <magespawn> there are two licence free bands 2Ghz - 2.8Ghz and 5Ghz to 5.8Ghz
[14:11] <magespawn> Kilos that is 5km as the crow flies, so it would a tad expensive
[14:11] <Kilos> ya but a bad link is useless even if its free
[14:12] <Kilos> ya
[14:12] <magespawn> the link is not bad just not optimal right now
[14:12] <Kilos> kill the crow
[14:12] <Kilos> its blocking the signal
[14:12] <magespawn> gotta go now, home time for me
[14:12] <Kilos> go safe
[14:13] <magespawn> cheers
[14:13] <Kilos> shame
[14:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:00] <Kilos> sjoe, kinda hot now
[15:01] <Kilos> hows the mosquitoes gremble 
[15:01] <gremble> I haven't slept at home for a week. So I am not bothered much
[15:01] <gremble> They aren't here where I am that much
[15:01] <Kilos> it was you plagued by them wasnt it
[15:01] <Kilos> aha
[16:00] <Kilos> eish! another pest
[16:00] <Kilos> http://donsmaps.com/goldenthread.html
[16:03] <gremble> Isn't that in the US Kilos ?
[16:03] <Kilos> we have it in the garden between pecan nut trees
[16:03] <Kilos> spreads over a meter in w week
[16:04] <Kilos> sister says if it reaches the trees it will eventually kill them
[16:04] <Kilos> she also says it can be used to cause abortion
[16:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:05] <gremble> And a contraceptive
[16:05] <gremble> Can't you take it out?
[16:06] <Kilos> i will see what can be done tomorrow
[16:06] <gremble> I bought a domain for my website yesterday
[16:06] <gremble> :P
[16:07] <gremble> http://grump.xyz
[16:07] <Kilos> it sticks to all plant leaves it covers so i dont know if just pulling it off will remove it all
[16:08] <gremble> Just set everything on fire
[16:08] <gremble> :P
[16:08] <Kilos> yeah im a great believer in fire but all the grass and weeds it covering now are green
[16:08] <Kilos> so fire gonna be tough to make there
[16:09] <Kilos> lekker that domain
[16:09] <Kilos> where you bought it and how much
[16:09] <gremble> I got it from Namecheap. It was $10.88
[16:10] <Kilos> ian bought one and site host at hetzner
[16:10] <Kilos> one time buy?
[16:10] <gremble> No, yearly subscription
[16:12] <Kilos> i wish one could still get a free domain name
[16:12] <Kilos> i save ever cent for data an pc stuff
[16:13] <Kilos> saving for a i5 cpu for here
[16:14] <gremble> Do you have a board with appropriate chipset?
[16:19] <Kilos> ya a 1155 with 4g ddr3
[16:19] <Kilos> i bought the board beginning of the year but didnt have enough for more than a dual core cpu
[16:21] <Kilos> and with a 3g dual core its quite fast already so with i5 it should rock
[16:21] <gremble> Hmm I have to get a new laptop ;x
[16:21] <gremble> But they are so expensive
[16:21] <Kilos> everything is. times are really tough
[16:22] <Kilos> i dont mind second hand things but not sure about a lappy 
[16:22] <Kilos> ian got an i7 and an i5 for 7k
[16:23] <Kilos> wb plustwo 
[16:23] <Kilos> wat breek julle nou weer
[16:24] <Kilos> haha i like the grumbles part gremble
[16:24] <Kilos> very fitting
[16:24] <Kilos> dont grumble gremble
[16:28] <gremble> :P
[16:34] <Rynomster> theblazehen: I think everytime I DC, my name changes.. lol
[18:16] <inetpro> good evening
[18:16] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:17] <Kilos> if my head pops its your fault
[18:17] <inetpro> superfly: btw, we don't need to create soft links for the virtualenv stuff
[18:17] <inetpro> a simple 'source bin/activate' will do
[18:17] <inetpro> or even just '. bin/activate'
[18:17] <Kilos> the flu not here yet man
[18:18] <inetpro> he'll get it
[18:18] <Kilos> doesnt quassel show you anything
[18:19] <inetpro> hi Kilos, hoe gaan dit vandag?
[18:19] <inetpro> why you popping the head?
[18:19] <Kilos> ek gaan aan dankie en jy?
[18:20] <inetpro> was too hot for me again today
[18:21] <Kilos> ja tuday was heavy, i thought it was going to rain but no luck
[18:21] <Kilos> sjoe typos
[18:21] <inetpro> no worries
[18:24] <Kilos> even now the heat is still heavy
[18:47] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, for the most part
[18:47] <superfly> inetpro: I've had some issues in the past, so I just go with direct links
[18:59] <magespawn> good evening
[19:00] <magespawn> Kilos must be tired two late nights in a row
[19:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn superfly \\
[19:00] <Kilos> hehe
[19:00] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[19:00] <magespawn> i missed your nick on the list
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: \\ ?
[19:00] <Kilos> crooked fingers
[19:00] <Kilos> ad eye
[19:01] <Kilos> dunno
[19:01] <Kilos> bad
[19:01] <Kilos> must remove that \ key
[19:01] <Kilos> i normally delete it
[19:01] <superfly> hi Kilos, magespawn
[19:02] <magespawn> hi superfly inetpro
[19:02] <theblazehen_> http://torcache.net/torrent/2D67AEA7D77E83E292726F4161D1F37B8952DD0E.torrent?title=[kickass.so]need.for.speed.most.wanted well, this is interesting..
[19:02] <theblazehen_> hi superfly
[19:02] <theblazehen_> wrong link
[19:02] <theblazehen_> http://uploads.ungrounded.net/556000/556644_YFYIAR.swf *
[19:05] <magespawn> hmm theblazehen_, that might qualify as a freudian slip
[19:06] <theblazehen_> magespawn: lol, for some reason link just didn't wanna copy
[19:08] <magespawn> do you guyes prefer your text books as ebooks or real paper?
[19:08] <magespawn> guys
[19:09] <theblazehen_> magespawn: well you can't grep real paper..
[19:09] <magespawn> indeed
[19:10] <theblazehen_> Technically I don't think you can grep a pdf either..
[19:10] <magespawn> i find it strange the the ebook is the same price as the hard copy
[19:10] <theblazehen_> yeah
[19:10] <magespawn> i would have thought it cost less to do an ebook
[19:10] <theblazehen_> Well you can print the ebook
[19:10] <theblazehen_> yeah. Be carefull of DRM
[19:10] <theblazehen_> Might not work in linux
[19:13] <magespawn> calibre seems to handle most formats well, but i was looking at google play, so it would be on the tablet and phone
[19:15] <gremble> You can break DRM easily enough with calibre
[19:15] <magespawn> anybody want to voice an opinion as to what certifications would be a +?
[19:15] <gremble> I wouldn't get an ebook text book because you can only "rent" them
[19:15] <gremble> that is the ones from Cengage
[19:15] <gremble> I don't know if other publishers are as horrible as that
[19:15] <magespawn> gremble even if you have bought them from google play?
[19:16] <gremble> Google Play I have no idea
[19:16] <gremble> I usually steal ebooks. I buy hardcopies of the really nice ones
[19:16] <magespawn> i know amazon looks at it that way, they have a history of removing books from kindles
[19:17] <superfly> magespawn: not any more
[19:17] <superfly> there was some outrage, and they've stopped
[19:17] <magespawn> that is a good thing then
[19:20] <gremble> You can't put a book that you've bought from Kalahari.com on a kindle
[19:20] <gremble> :P
[19:21] <gremble> I had to teach my mother how to remove the DRM so that she can read her books
[19:21] <magespawn> they have their own device don't they?
[19:22] <magespawn> i forget the name
[19:24] <gremble> I don't know
[19:25] <gremble> I read paper and write with pens like a lunatic from the middle ages
[19:26] <magespawn> lol 
[19:26] <magespawn> i generally like to read paper too, but ireally like the idea of all the books in one place
[19:26] <gremble> That is called a bookcase
[19:27] <gremble> :P
[19:27] <gremble> Sometimes even a library
[19:27] <magespawn> would clear the clutter out of my house for one
[19:27] <gremble> Shut your whore mouth D: Books are not clutter
[19:27] <magespawn>  i tend to leave books lying around to my wifes distraction
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:28] <magespawn> indeed they just take up so much space
[19:29] <magespawn> something that i am running out of
[19:30] <gremble> I repurposed the kitchen of the house that I am staying in as a work area
[19:31] <gremble> I just have to make sure I don't set my articles on fire when I use toe stove
[19:31] <gremble> :P
[19:36] <Kilos> i often wonder which one of you all is the biggest nut
[19:37]  * theblazehen_ goes to bed
[19:39] <Kilos> night theblazehen_ 
[19:44] <gremble> Night theblazehen_ 
[19:44] <gremble> Why do you wonder that Kilos ?
[19:44] <Kilos> well its like a competition
[19:45] <Kilos> just when i think i found him someone else comes up with something even more nuts
[19:46] <Kilos> things like
[19:46] <Kilos> Shut your whore mouth
[19:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:47] <Kilos> sis man
[19:49] <gremble> Haha
[19:49] <gremble> That is a horrible habit I picked up when trying to over-exaggerate a stance :P
[19:49] <Kilos> why you dress up like a weed
[19:50] <Kilos> with such a bright future you gotta wear shades
[19:50] <Kilos> put your face there man, then you can wear shades
[19:51] <Kilos> weeds like the sun
[19:52] <Kilos> inetpro: how much time you got?
[19:52] <gremble> But...that is my face
[19:53] <Kilos> no man
[19:53] <gremble> There was an accident at pelindaba
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[19:53] <gremble> It left me lik that
[19:53] <Kilos> if it is you need a shave worse than i do
[19:53] <Kilos> i just want to know what this does inetpro 
[19:54] <Kilos> not end result , step by step
[19:54] <Kilos> ../../venv/bin/nikola serve
[19:54] <Kilos> the first bit
[19:54] <Kilos>  ../..
[19:54] <Kilos> is that cli cheats'
[19:55] <gremble> In the file system, . is "this directory" .. is "the directory just abover this directory"
[19:55] <gremble> so ../.. goes up two directories
[19:55] <gremble> then looks for the directory called venv, inside which is /bin/nikola, an executable
[19:56] <gremble> It is run with the argument serve
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: what gremble said ^^
[19:56] <Kilos> whew
[19:56] <Kilos> now the pro smiling again
[19:56] <Kilos> ok so
[19:56] <gremble> to create a server on localhost:8000, and parse the reStructedText files to turn them into the website
[19:57] <Kilos> that will only work when you are in the right folder to start with
[19:57] <gremble> Yes
[19:57] <Kilos> aha
[19:57] <gremble> and if /venv/ exists 
[19:57] <gremble> if I recall correctly, python virtual environments can have any name
[19:58] <Kilos> i tried the nikola thing this morning and only got it going after cd blah blah a few times
[19:58] <gremble> Ah ok
[19:59] <Kilos> i first tried going with my browser but only after that serv command did browser fing the page
[19:59] <Kilos> this virtual thing is lots for me to savvy
[19:59] <gremble> Yes, because the page doesn't exist before you serv it
[20:01] <Kilos> but he leaves me to battle first
[20:05] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[20:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[20:21] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:31] <superfly> Squirm: ping