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| cdoublejj | how do install grub to a partition and not jus the whole hard drive? | 03:22 |
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| Ahmuck | hi. i've lost my power icon in the tray. it's just blank. is there a way to get it back? | 19:11 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: right-mouse-click on free panel-space and in menu select add panel-entries and from the list there select the power-settings | 19:17 |
| Ahmuck | ya, that is not the problem. the icon does not show but the panel entry and a blank space is there where the icon would show | 19:20 |
| Ahmuck | it's there, it's not showing | 19:20 |
| Ahmuck | it's like the reference for the icon is missing | 19:21 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: so - a mouse-click at this place gives the normal info about power-setting of battery etc. | 19:21 |
| Ahmuck | yes. | 19:22 |
| Ahmuck | adding the power manager again has now broke the panel | 19:22 |
| Ahmuck | how stable is lxpanel? | 19:22 |
| Ahmuck | someone suggested i use a different panel. i really like the panel when it works | 19:22 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: did you change themes? Maybe a theme setting with missing icon-grafics for it. And lxpanel is not very crash-proved. | 19:23 |
| Ahmuck | i´m going to try and see if I can track down docs on the panel | 19:23 |
| Ahmuck | i changed the wallpaper | 19:23 |
| Ahmuck | i tried using a wallpaper changer | 19:23 |
| Ahmuck | velocity | 19:24 |
| Ahmuck | i'll try to set aside an hour a day to begin working through lx issues | 19:24 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: never did this, because the default wallpaper-admin-program is pcmanfm (the file-manager for the desktop and for such things like wallpager) - you may have to disable to use another program | 19:24 |
| Ahmuck | something else that is happening, i'm getting 98% usage for firefox. any idea? | 19:26 |
| Ahmuck | btw, what firefox components are tied into *buntu | 19:26 |
| Ahmuck | or vice versa. i remember when i looked at addons that there was an ubuntu addon with an option to disable. i did find a way to remove it completely | 19:27 |
| Ahmuck | looking yesterday i noticed there were a few number of "firefox-ubuntu" related packages marked with v | 19:27 |
| * Ahmuck forgets what "v | 19:27 | |
| Ahmuck | means | 19:27 |
| Ahmuck | virtual? | 19:28 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: remove them, if you like | 19:31 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: whatever package manager you like to use can tell you about whatever packages you want to research.. | 19:32 |
| holstein | i suggest, for troubleshooting both the panel and firefox, try fresh/default configs.. you can do that by trying the guest account, or a new user you make.. or, just renaming the config for both, and logout and back in, and see if things are more as you expect | 19:34 |
| holstein | this will help you see if the issue is with the system, or your users config files for the specific application | 19:34 |
| Ahmuck | ok, so it seems that v is for virtual (reading docs on aptitude). (v firefox-ubufox) | 19:35 |
| Ahmuck | is the firefox in ubuntu a modified version? | 19:35 |
| Ahmuck | ubuntu customized? | 19:35 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: im not a packager, just an end-user, and volunteer stating that, if you *dont* want those packages, remove them, and get the one's you want | 19:36 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: i dont have issue with my browser like that, unless i am using flash content with the out-of-date flash player adobe provides linux | 19:36 |
| Ahmuck | yea, i'm not saying i don't want them, i'm saying that i want to know what modifications have been done to the browser | 19:36 |
| testdr | firefox out of ubuntu repos is modified | 19:36 |
| * Ahmuck does not have flash installed | 19:37 | |
| Ahmuck | testdr: thx | 19:37 |
| Ahmuck | reading ubuntu firefox dox | 19:37 |
| holstein | *all* packages are re-packaged | 19:37 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: you can install a firefox linux-version from the creators directly - but not via the paket-manager - you have to download and install it on yourself | 19:38 |
| Ahmuck | yes, i know | 19:38 |
| Ahmuck | i'm trying to determine what the trade off is | 19:38 |
| holstein | in that case, you will maintain updates yourself.. if you add a PPA, or use the repackaged one, updates come in automatically | 19:38 |
| holstein | ^ trade-off | 19:38 |
| holstein | though, *nothing* about the repackaged one should be using 90+% of the CPU like that.. | 19:39 |
| Ahmuck | that's what i thought. i was wondering if it was the addons as i have several "blocking" add ons | 19:39 |
| testdr | ahmm - this depends on the web-sites visited | 19:40 |
| holstein | sure.. all i can do is suggest, again, to bypass your users config, thus bypassing the "add-ons".. | 19:40 |
| Ahmuck | msn, cnn, youtube | 19:41 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: if you try changes - experimenting with settings - alway use another user-account (you can create more than one) to be shure you only mangle the settings of this user and not the necessary main-admin-user | 19:41 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: those are flash.. | 19:41 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: t | 19:41 |
| holstein | *that* is likely your issue.. using the older flash | 19:41 |
| Ahmuck | block ads, gifs, flash, canvas, etc. | 19:42 |
| holstein | http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ | 19:42 |
| Ahmuck | youtube converts flash to h000 | 19:42 |
| holstein | current flash is provided to, ^as you can read *factually* above, the chrome browser | 19:42 |
| Ahmuck | someone really needs to take companies to bat in court over the use of technology that drops cookies, etc. without user consent under DMCA | 19:43 |
| holstein | regardless, since, im not interested in arguing something you can factually research, and see if you are using flash or not.. if you are accessing that content, *that* is why your CPU is at 90%.. | 19:43 |
| testdr | Ahmuck: create a new admin-user-account and login with this and try there the installed firefox without those "enhancements" | 19:44 |
| Ahmuck | testdr: thx for the help, i've got an idea for direction | 19:44 |
| Ahmuck | i´m well aware hot to test this in another account | 19:44 |
| Ahmuck | i'm trying to understand structure more than anything, for purposes of analysis | 19:45 |
| holstein | for purposes of anylisis, you remove variables.. like online content like that | 19:45 |
| Ahmuck | sure holstein and the first variable i want to remove is ubuntu customizations if possible through aptitude. before these were add on packages. may i assume they are now integrated in the browser itself? | 19:47 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: go for it! | 19:48 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: ppa,for firefox, or the package from the site, as suggested above.. or, as also suggested, the user config.. or again, the content you are visiting.. | 19:48 |
| holstein | not to mention, GPU driver support | 19:48 |
| Ahmuck | holstein: is there ubuntu documentation that indicates the changes they have made to firefox? | 19:49 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: yes, friend.. as stated, whatever package manager you are using | 19:49 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: the package source is in the repos.. | 19:49 |
| holstein | the package maintainer will be listed as well as contact | 19:50 |
| Ahmuck | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firefox#Custom_Configuration | 19:54 |
| Ahmuck | would you say that "examples of extensions" are those "included" or "possible"? | 19:55 |
| holstein | sure.. and *thats* nothing to do with the packaging we were discussing before.. | 19:55 |
| Ahmuck | it's unclear to me what the meaning is? | 19:55 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: i would just look and see what i have, factually.. in my system | 19:56 |
| Ahmuck | if they were included, as packaged within the firefox package, then it would be a part of the firefox packaging | 19:56 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: correct.. do you have them? | 19:57 |
| Ahmuck | in aptitude the short description for firefox packages marked with a "v" for virtual (can we assume that virtual means it is part of the firefox package that is installed) is missing | 19:57 |
| holstein | i dont assume that.. | 19:57 |
| Ahmuck | if i do a search for "firefox" i would assume that these addons would be labeled "firefox-addonname" | 19:58 |
| holstein | i *know* that im getting the package listed, and whatever dependencies or other requirements.. it pulls in what it needs.. i look and see waht is there, and get what i want or use somehting different if i prefer | 19:58 |
| holstein | when i used firefox, which i dont anymore, but, when i did, i used the mozilla stable ppa for it | 19:58 |
| holstein | that was when firefox wasnt upgraded in the ubuntu repos.. now it is.. so, i would probably just use the repo one.. if the repo wasnt what i wanted, i would go back to the ppa | 19:59 |
| holstein | the mozilla ppa is handy, since, its from the actual mozilla team.. its like getting it from mozilla and maintaining it one's self | 19:59 |
| holstein | of course, i think you are still assuming that 90% of the CPU is being used due to some "ubuntu customization".. and i think you'll find, its just the content you are accessing | 20:00 |
| holstein | you can also use #ubuntu since this has *nothing* to do with lxde or lubuntu specifically, and likely find other users who are sharing your same concerns.. a larger community is there | 20:00 |
| Ahmuck | holstein: i initially came here for the lxpanel | 20:05 |
| Ahmuck | i only derailed to firefox because you began discussing it | 20:05 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: sure.. i assure you, im not being combative, or kicking you out.. im literally stating, there is a factual larger community in #ubuntu that will have specific firefox users | 20:06 |
| Ahmuck | lxpanel is broke for some reason (testdr gave me an idea as to why) | 20:06 |
| Ahmuck | so i'm tracking that issue down first | 20:06 |
| Ahmuck | holstein: the problem is that we always get into the same type of discussions. i dont know the answer and you state you dont either | 20:07 |
| holstein | Ahmuck: there is no "answer", friend.. i dont share the issue you have with firefox, so, i cant say what the issue is.. i can say, like i have, that when i see *any* browser using a lot of CPU, its due to the content im accessing.. | 20:09 |
| Ahmuck | it's good holstein, i'm off on a bunny trail chasing the fox | 20:10 |
| Steve_T | is there a living person in here? :p | 20:41 |
| Ahmuck | Steve_T: yes | 20:44 |
| teward | we're all lurking and being quiet :P | 20:45 |
| teward | except me, i'm beating Wireshark's source code with a hammer | 20:45 |
| teward | Steve_T: it helps, though, to just ask your question | 20:45 |
| Steve_T | does anyone know the location of the icons for the keyboard settings language? | 20:47 |
| Ahmuck | isn't wireshark already stable? | 20:47 |
| Ahmuck | Steve_T: what are you trying to do? | 20:48 |
| testdr | /usr/share/lxpanel/images/xkb-flags-cust/sn.png | 20:49 |
| Steve_T | well, i have a dark panel at the bottom, all icons are bright, but the language icon is also dark and not good to see if you know what i mean, maybe i could change it myself to make it light | 20:49 |
| Steve_T | oh there they are, thanx testdr! | 20:50 |
| testdr | flags are there /usr/share/lxpanel/images/xkb-flags/de.png | 20:50 |
| Steve_T | yup, i just edit the us icon, changed, inverted it, an adjusted the brightness contrast, now i have a very nice looking white icon on black bar :) | 21:03 |
| testdr | Steve_T: put skull and bones on it .. ;-) | 21:04 |
| Steve_T | lol | 21:04 |
| Steve_T | i don't get it, all the other icons are white just the keyboard settings is a dark one | 21:05 |
| testdr | maybe - i only changed the lxde-menu-panel-icon because i use the panel not at top or bottom - i use it at the side and the icon was to wide | 21:07 |
| Steve_T | i changed the lxde-menu-panel icon to the xfce icon, that mouse icon :p | 21:09 |
| Trickster1 | hello | 21:35 |
| Trickster1 | someone can tell me what is the difference between lubuntu, lubuntu netbox et openbox before we log in our session plz ? | 21:36 |
| ianorlin | Trickster1: Lubuntu in 14.04 or newer should have a little bird in the top left corner | 21:39 |
| ianorlin | top right I mean on the panel at the top | 21:40 |
| silverlion | like it says: Lubuntu netbook is beconfigured for netbooks, Lubuntu itself should have at least a laptop and openbox can run everywhere because it's another Desktop Environment | 21:40 |
| ianorlin | and openbox or lubuntu-netbook will have another icon | 21:40 |
| Trickster1 | ah oki i did'nt notice it thx | 21:41 |
| ianorlin | and you can click on that to change them | 21:41 |
| Trickster1 | but the utility is the same we can do the same work and use same programs on all of them no ? or there is restriction ? | 21:42 |
| ianorlin | In lubuntu and lubuntu-netbook everything should be the same | 21:42 |
| Trickster1 | i think for netbok there is some program for the battery | 21:42 |
| Trickster1 | oki | 21:42 |
| Trickster1 | and openbox ? | 21:42 |
| ianorlin | although openbox is more a kit you setup how you want it | 21:43 |
| ianorlin | as in it takes some configuration to get to a nice state but can do most things | 21:43 |
| Trickster1 | oki | 21:43 |
| Trickster1 | so openbox uses more ressources than the classic lubuntu ? | 21:44 |
| ianorlin | no it uses less but is a little harder to configure | 21:44 |
| Trickster1 | oki | 21:44 |
| Trickster1 | thx | 21:44 |
| ianorlin | openbox runs in a way that more just manages window in the lubuntu session but you get a panel wallpaper and other things | 21:44 |
| ianorlin | which you don't with default openbox | 21:44 |
| Trickster1 | oki thx | 21:45 |
| Trickster1 | anf for program it is better to use program in the lubuntu store or on the official website of that prgm ? | 21:46 |
| Trickster1 | by exemple for wireshark or tor | 21:46 |
| Trickster1 | because in lubuntu store i notice that it is not the last version | 21:46 |
| Steve_T | k | 21:53 |
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