=== hggdh is now known as temp-hggdh === temp-hggdh is now known as hggdh [03:22] how do install grub to a partition and not jus the whole hard drive? === Soul-Sing is now known as Guest26133 [19:11] hi. i've lost my power icon in the tray. it's just blank. is there a way to get it back? [19:17] Ahmuck: right-mouse-click on free panel-space and in menu select add panel-entries and from the list there select the power-settings [19:20] ya, that is not the problem. the icon does not show but the panel entry and a blank space is there where the icon would show [19:20] it's there, it's not showing [19:21] it's like the reference for the icon is missing [19:21] Ahmuck: so - a mouse-click at this place gives the normal info about power-setting of battery etc. [19:22] yes. [19:22] adding the power manager again has now broke the panel [19:22] how stable is lxpanel? [19:22] someone suggested i use a different panel. i really like the panel when it works [19:23] Ahmuck: did you change themes? Maybe a theme setting with missing icon-grafics for it. And lxpanel is not very crash-proved. [19:23] i´m going to try and see if I can track down docs on the panel [19:23] i changed the wallpaper [19:23] i tried using a wallpaper changer [19:24] velocity [19:24] i'll try to set aside an hour a day to begin working through lx issues [19:24] Ahmuck: never did this, because the default wallpaper-admin-program is pcmanfm (the file-manager for the desktop and for such things like wallpager) - you may have to disable to use another program [19:26] something else that is happening, i'm getting 98% usage for firefox. any idea? [19:26] btw, what firefox components are tied into *buntu [19:27] or vice versa. i remember when i looked at addons that there was an ubuntu addon with an option to disable. i did find a way to remove it completely [19:27] looking yesterday i noticed there were a few number of "firefox-ubuntu" related packages marked with v [19:27] * Ahmuck forgets what "v [19:27] means [19:28] virtual? [19:31] Ahmuck: remove them, if you like [19:32] Ahmuck: whatever package manager you like to use can tell you about whatever packages you want to research.. [19:34] i suggest, for troubleshooting both the panel and firefox, try fresh/default configs.. you can do that by trying the guest account, or a new user you make.. or, just renaming the config for both, and logout and back in, and see if things are more as you expect [19:34] this will help you see if the issue is with the system, or your users config files for the specific application [19:35] ok, so it seems that v is for virtual (reading docs on aptitude). (v firefox-ubufox) [19:35] is the firefox in ubuntu a modified version? [19:35] ubuntu customized? [19:36] Ahmuck: im not a packager, just an end-user, and volunteer stating that, if you *dont* want those packages, remove them, and get the one's you want [19:36] Ahmuck: i dont have issue with my browser like that, unless i am using flash content with the out-of-date flash player adobe provides linux [19:36] yea, i'm not saying i don't want them, i'm saying that i want to know what modifications have been done to the browser [19:36] firefox out of ubuntu repos is modified [19:37] * Ahmuck does not have flash installed [19:37] testdr: thx [19:37] reading ubuntu firefox dox [19:37] *all* packages are re-packaged [19:38] Ahmuck: you can install a firefox linux-version from the creators directly - but not via the paket-manager - you have to download and install it on yourself [19:38] yes, i know [19:38] i'm trying to determine what the trade off is [19:38] in that case, you will maintain updates yourself.. if you add a PPA, or use the repackaged one, updates come in automatically [19:38] ^ trade-off [19:39] though, *nothing* about the repackaged one should be using 90+% of the CPU like that.. [19:39] that's what i thought. i was wondering if it was the addons as i have several "blocking" add ons [19:40] ahmm - this depends on the web-sites visited [19:40] sure.. all i can do is suggest, again, to bypass your users config, thus bypassing the "add-ons".. [19:41] msn, cnn, youtube [19:41] Ahmuck: if you try changes - experimenting with settings - alway use another user-account (you can create more than one) to be shure you only mangle the settings of this user and not the necessary main-admin-user [19:41] Ahmuck: those are flash.. [19:41] Ahmuck: t [19:41] *that* is likely your issue.. using the older flash [19:42] block ads, gifs, flash, canvas, etc. [19:42] http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ [19:42] youtube converts flash to h000 [19:42] current flash is provided to, ^as you can read *factually* above, the chrome browser [19:43] someone really needs to take companies to bat in court over the use of technology that drops cookies, etc. without user consent under DMCA [19:43] regardless, since, im not interested in arguing something you can factually research, and see if you are using flash or not.. if you are accessing that content, *that* is why your CPU is at 90%.. [19:44] Ahmuck: create a new admin-user-account and login with this and try there the installed firefox without those "enhancements" [19:44] testdr: thx for the help, i've got an idea for direction [19:44] i´m well aware hot to test this in another account [19:45] i'm trying to understand structure more than anything, for purposes of analysis [19:45] for purposes of anylisis, you remove variables.. like online content like that [19:47] sure holstein and the first variable i want to remove is ubuntu customizations if possible through aptitude. before these were add on packages. may i assume they are now integrated in the browser itself? [19:48] Ahmuck: go for it! [19:48] Ahmuck: ppa,for firefox, or the package from the site, as suggested above.. or, as also suggested, the user config.. or again, the content you are visiting.. [19:48] not to mention, GPU driver support [19:49] holstein: is there ubuntu documentation that indicates the changes they have made to firefox? [19:49] Ahmuck: yes, friend.. as stated, whatever package manager you are using [19:49] Ahmuck: the package source is in the repos.. [19:50] the package maintainer will be listed as well as contact [19:54] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firefox#Custom_Configuration [19:55] would you say that "examples of extensions" are those "included" or "possible"? [19:55] sure.. and *thats* nothing to do with the packaging we were discussing before.. [19:55] it's unclear to me what the meaning is? [19:56] Ahmuck: i would just look and see what i have, factually.. in my system [19:56] if they were included, as packaged within the firefox package, then it would be a part of the firefox packaging [19:57] Ahmuck: correct.. do you have them? [19:57] in aptitude the short description for firefox packages marked with a "v" for virtual (can we assume that virtual means it is part of the firefox package that is installed) is missing [19:57] i dont assume that.. [19:58] if i do a search for "firefox" i would assume that these addons would be labeled "firefox-addonname" [19:58] i *know* that im getting the package listed, and whatever dependencies or other requirements.. it pulls in what it needs.. i look and see waht is there, and get what i want or use somehting different if i prefer [19:58] when i used firefox, which i dont anymore, but, when i did, i used the mozilla stable ppa for it [19:59] that was when firefox wasnt upgraded in the ubuntu repos.. now it is.. so, i would probably just use the repo one.. if the repo wasnt what i wanted, i would go back to the ppa [19:59] the mozilla ppa is handy, since, its from the actual mozilla team.. its like getting it from mozilla and maintaining it one's self [20:00] of course, i think you are still assuming that 90% of the CPU is being used due to some "ubuntu customization".. and i think you'll find, its just the content you are accessing [20:00] you can also use #ubuntu since this has *nothing* to do with lxde or lubuntu specifically, and likely find other users who are sharing your same concerns.. a larger community is there [20:05] holstein: i initially came here for the lxpanel [20:05] i only derailed to firefox because you began discussing it [20:06] Ahmuck: sure.. i assure you, im not being combative, or kicking you out.. im literally stating, there is a factual larger community in #ubuntu that will have specific firefox users [20:06] lxpanel is broke for some reason (testdr gave me an idea as to why) [20:06] so i'm tracking that issue down first [20:07] holstein: the problem is that we always get into the same type of discussions. i dont know the answer and you state you dont either [20:09] Ahmuck: there is no "answer", friend.. i dont share the issue you have with firefox, so, i cant say what the issue is.. i can say, like i have, that when i see *any* browser using a lot of CPU, its due to the content im accessing.. [20:10] it's good holstein, i'm off on a bunny trail chasing the fox [20:41] is there a living person in here? :p [20:44] Steve_T: yes [20:45] we're all lurking and being quiet :P [20:45] except me, i'm beating Wireshark's source code with a hammer [20:45] Steve_T: it helps, though, to just ask your question [20:47] does anyone know the location of the icons for the keyboard settings language? [20:47] isn't wireshark already stable? [20:48] Steve_T: what are you trying to do? [20:49] /usr/share/lxpanel/images/xkb-flags-cust/sn.png [20:49] well, i have a dark panel at the bottom, all icons are bright, but the language icon is also dark and not good to see if you know what i mean, maybe i could change it myself to make it light [20:50] oh there they are, thanx testdr! [20:50] flags are there /usr/share/lxpanel/images/xkb-flags/de.png [21:03] yup, i just edit the us icon, changed, inverted it, an adjusted the brightness contrast, now i have a very nice looking white icon on black bar :) [21:04] Steve_T: put skull and bones on it .. ;-) [21:04] lol [21:05] i don't get it, all the other icons are white just the keyboard settings is a dark one [21:07] maybe - i only changed the lxde-menu-panel-icon because i use the panel not at top or bottom - i use it at the side and the icon was to wide [21:09] i changed the lxde-menu-panel icon to the xfce icon, that mouse icon :p [21:35] hello [21:36] someone can tell me what is the difference between lubuntu, lubuntu netbox et openbox before we log in our session plz ? [21:39] Trickster1: Lubuntu in 14.04 or newer should have a little bird in the top left corner [21:40] top right I mean on the panel at the top [21:40] like it says: Lubuntu netbook is beconfigured for netbooks, Lubuntu itself should have at least a laptop and openbox can run everywhere because it's another Desktop Environment [21:40] and openbox or lubuntu-netbook will have another icon [21:41] ah oki i did'nt notice it thx [21:41] and you can click on that to change them [21:42] but the utility is the same we can do the same work and use same programs on all of them no ? or there is restriction ? [21:42] In lubuntu and lubuntu-netbook everything should be the same [21:42] i think for netbok there is some program for the battery [21:42] oki [21:42] and openbox ? [21:43] although openbox is more a kit you setup how you want it [21:43] as in it takes some configuration to get to a nice state but can do most things [21:43] oki [21:44] so openbox uses more ressources than the classic lubuntu ? [21:44] no it uses less but is a little harder to configure [21:44] oki [21:44] thx [21:44] openbox runs in a way that more just manages window in the lubuntu session but you get a panel wallpaper and other things [21:44] which you don't with default openbox [21:45] oki thx [21:46] anf for program it is better to use program in the lubuntu store or on the official website of that prgm ? [21:46] by exemple for wireshark or tor [21:46] because in lubuntu store i notice that it is not the last version [21:53] k