[03:22] <cdoublejj> how do  install grub to a partition and not jus the whole hard drive?
[19:11] <Ahmuck> hi.  i've lost my power icon in the tray.  it's just blank.  is there a way to get it back?
[19:17] <testdr> Ahmuck: right-mouse-click on free panel-space and in menu select add panel-entries and from the list there select the power-settings
[19:20] <Ahmuck> ya, that is not the problem.  the icon does not show but the panel entry and a blank space is there where the icon would show
[19:20] <Ahmuck> it's there, it's not showing
[19:21] <Ahmuck> it's like the reference for the icon is missing
[19:21] <testdr> Ahmuck: so - a mouse-click at this place gives the normal info about power-setting of battery etc.
[19:22] <Ahmuck> yes.
[19:22] <Ahmuck> adding the power manager again has now broke the panel
[19:22] <Ahmuck> how stable is lxpanel?
[19:22] <Ahmuck> someone suggested i use a different panel.  i really like the panel when it works
[19:23] <testdr> Ahmuck: did you change themes? Maybe a theme setting with missing icon-grafics for it.  And lxpanel is not very crash-proved.
[19:23] <Ahmuck> i´m going to try and see if I can track down docs on the panel
[19:23] <Ahmuck> i changed the wallpaper
[19:23] <Ahmuck> i tried using a wallpaper changer
[19:24] <Ahmuck> velocity
[19:24] <Ahmuck> i'll try to set aside an hour a day to begin working through lx issues
[19:24] <testdr> Ahmuck: never did this, because the default wallpaper-admin-program is pcmanfm (the file-manager for the desktop and for such things like wallpager) - you may have to disable to use another program
[19:26] <Ahmuck> something else that is happening, i'm getting 98% usage for firefox.  any idea?
[19:26] <Ahmuck> btw, what firefox components are tied into *buntu
[19:27] <Ahmuck> or vice versa.  i remember when i looked at addons that there was an ubuntu addon with an option to disable.  i did find a way to remove it completely
[19:27] <Ahmuck> looking yesterday i noticed there were a few number of "firefox-ubuntu" related packages marked with v
[19:27]  * Ahmuck forgets what "v
[19:27] <Ahmuck>  means
[19:28] <Ahmuck> virtual?
[19:31] <holstein> Ahmuck: remove them, if you like
[19:32] <holstein> Ahmuck: whatever package manager you like to use can tell you about whatever packages you want to research..
[19:34] <holstein> i suggest, for troubleshooting both the panel and firefox, try fresh/default configs.. you can do that by trying the guest account, or a new user you make.. or, just renaming the config for both, and logout and back in, and see if things are more as you expect
[19:34] <holstein> this will help you see if the issue is with the system, or your users config files for the specific application
[19:35] <Ahmuck> ok, so it seems that v is for virtual (reading docs on aptitude).  (v   firefox-ubufox)
[19:35] <Ahmuck> is the firefox in ubuntu a modified version?
[19:35] <Ahmuck> ubuntu customized?
[19:36] <holstein> Ahmuck: im not a packager, just an end-user, and volunteer stating that, if you *dont* want those packages, remove them, and get the one's you want
[19:36] <holstein> Ahmuck: i dont have issue with my browser like that, unless i am using flash content with the out-of-date flash player adobe provides linux
[19:36] <Ahmuck> yea, i'm not saying i don't want them, i'm saying that i want to know what modifications have been done to the browser
[19:36] <testdr> firefox out of ubuntu repos is modified
[19:37]  * Ahmuck does not have flash installed
[19:37] <Ahmuck> testdr: thx
[19:37] <Ahmuck> reading ubuntu firefox dox
[19:37] <holstein> *all* packages are re-packaged
[19:38] <testdr> Ahmuck: you can install a firefox linux-version from the creators directly - but not via the paket-manager - you have to download and install it on yourself
[19:38] <Ahmuck> yes, i know
[19:38] <Ahmuck> i'm trying to determine what the trade off is
[19:38] <holstein> in that case, you will maintain updates yourself.. if you add a PPA, or use the repackaged one, updates come in automatically
[19:38] <holstein> ^ trade-off
[19:39] <holstein> though, *nothing* about the repackaged one should be using 90+% of the CPU like that..
[19:39] <Ahmuck> that's what i thought.  i was wondering if it was the addons as i have several "blocking" add ons
[19:40] <testdr> ahmm - this depends on the web-sites visited
[19:40] <holstein> sure.. all i can do is suggest, again, to bypass your users config, thus bypassing the "add-ons"..
[19:41] <Ahmuck> msn, cnn, youtube
[19:41] <testdr> Ahmuck: if you try changes - experimenting with settings - alway use another user-account (you can create more than one) to be shure you only mangle the settings of this user and not the necessary main-admin-user
[19:41] <holstein> Ahmuck: those are flash..
[19:41] <holstein> Ahmuck: t
[19:41] <holstein> *that* is likely your issue.. using the older flash
[19:42] <Ahmuck> block ads, gifs, flash, canvas, etc.
[19:42] <holstein> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[19:42] <Ahmuck> youtube converts flash to h000
[19:42] <holstein> current flash is provided to, ^as you can read *factually* above, the chrome browser
[19:43] <Ahmuck> someone really needs to take companies to bat in court over the use of technology that drops cookies, etc. without user consent under DMCA
[19:43] <holstein> regardless, since, im not interested in arguing something you can factually research, and see if you are using flash or not.. if you are accessing that content, *that* is why your CPU is at 90%..
[19:44] <testdr> Ahmuck: create a new admin-user-account and login with this and try there the installed firefox without those "enhancements"
[19:44] <Ahmuck> testdr: thx for the help, i've got an idea for direction
[19:44] <Ahmuck> i´m well aware hot to test this in another account
[19:45] <Ahmuck> i'm trying to understand structure more than anything, for purposes of analysis
[19:45] <holstein> for purposes of anylisis, you remove variables.. like online content like that
[19:47] <Ahmuck> sure holstein and the first variable i want to remove is ubuntu customizations if possible through aptitude.  before these were add on packages.  may i assume they are now integrated in the browser itself?
[19:48] <holstein> Ahmuck: go for it!
[19:48] <holstein> Ahmuck: ppa,for firefox, or the package from the site, as suggested above.. or, as also suggested, the user config.. or again, the content you are visiting..
[19:48] <holstein> not to mention, GPU driver support
[19:49] <Ahmuck> holstein: is there ubuntu documentation that indicates the changes they have made to firefox?
[19:49] <holstein> Ahmuck: yes, friend.. as stated, whatever package manager you are using
[19:49] <holstein> Ahmuck: the package source is in the repos..
[19:50] <holstein> the package maintainer will be listed as well as contact
[19:54] <Ahmuck> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firefox#Custom_Configuration
[19:55] <Ahmuck> would you say that "examples of extensions" are those "included" or "possible"?
[19:55] <holstein> sure.. and *thats* nothing to do with the packaging we were discussing before..
[19:55] <Ahmuck> it's unclear to me what the meaning is?
[19:56] <holstein> Ahmuck: i would just look and see what i have, factually.. in my system
[19:56] <Ahmuck> if they were included, as packaged within the firefox package, then it would be a part of the firefox packaging
[19:57] <holstein> Ahmuck: correct.. do you have them?
[19:57] <Ahmuck> in aptitude the short description for firefox packages marked with a "v" for virtual (can we assume that virtual means it is part of the firefox package that is installed) is missing
[19:57] <holstein> i dont assume that..
[19:58] <Ahmuck> if i do a search for "firefox" i would assume that these addons would be labeled "firefox-addonname"
[19:58] <holstein> i *know* that im getting the package listed, and whatever dependencies or other requirements.. it pulls in what it needs.. i look and see waht is there, and get what i want or use somehting different if i prefer
[19:58] <holstein> when i used firefox, which i dont anymore, but, when i did, i used the mozilla stable ppa for it
[19:59] <holstein> that was when firefox wasnt upgraded in the ubuntu repos.. now it is.. so, i would probably just use the repo one.. if the repo wasnt what i wanted, i would go back to the ppa
[19:59] <holstein> the mozilla ppa is handy, since, its from the actual mozilla team.. its like getting it from mozilla and maintaining it one's self
[20:00] <holstein> of course, i think you are still assuming that 90% of the CPU is being used due to some "ubuntu customization".. and i think you'll find, its just the content you are accessing
[20:00] <holstein> you can also use #ubuntu since this has *nothing* to do with lxde or lubuntu specifically, and likely find other users who are sharing your same concerns.. a larger community is there
[20:05] <Ahmuck> holstein: i initially came here for the lxpanel
[20:05] <Ahmuck> i only derailed to firefox because you began discussing it
[20:06] <holstein> Ahmuck: sure.. i assure you, im not being combative, or kicking you out.. im literally stating, there is a factual larger community in #ubuntu that will have specific firefox users
[20:06] <Ahmuck> lxpanel is broke for some reason (testdr gave me an idea as to why)
[20:06] <Ahmuck> so i'm tracking that issue down first
[20:07] <Ahmuck> holstein: the problem is that we always get into the same type of discussions.  i dont know the answer and you state you dont either
[20:09] <holstein> Ahmuck: there is no "answer", friend.. i dont share the issue you have with firefox, so, i cant say what the issue is.. i can say, like i have, that when i see *any* browser using a lot of CPU, its due to the content im accessing..
[20:10] <Ahmuck> it's good holstein, i'm off on a bunny trail chasing the fox
[20:41] <Steve_T> is there a living person in here? :p
[20:44] <Ahmuck> Steve_T: yes
[20:45] <teward> we're all lurking and being quiet :P
[20:45] <teward> except me, i'm beating Wireshark's source code with a hammer
[20:45] <teward> Steve_T: it helps, though, to just ask your question
[20:47] <Steve_T> does anyone know the location of the icons for the keyboard settings language?
[20:47] <Ahmuck> isn't wireshark already stable?
[20:48] <Ahmuck> Steve_T:  what are you trying to do?
[20:49] <testdr> /usr/share/lxpanel/images/xkb-flags-cust/sn.png
[20:49] <Steve_T> well, i have a dark panel at the bottom, all icons are bright, but the language icon is also dark and not good to see if you know what i mean, maybe i could change it myself to make it light
[20:50] <Steve_T> oh there they are, thanx testdr!
[20:50] <testdr> flags are there /usr/share/lxpanel/images/xkb-flags/de.png
[21:03] <Steve_T> yup, i just edit the us icon, changed, inverted it, an adjusted the brightness contrast, now i have a very nice looking white icon on black bar :)
[21:04] <testdr> Steve_T: put skull and bones on it .. ;-)
[21:04] <Steve_T> lol
[21:05] <Steve_T> i don't get it, all the other icons are white just the keyboard settings is a dark one
[21:07] <testdr> maybe - i only changed the lxde-menu-panel-icon because i use the panel not at top or bottom - i use it at the side and the icon was to wide
[21:09] <Steve_T> i changed the lxde-menu-panel icon to the xfce icon, that mouse icon :p
[21:35] <Trickster1> hello
[21:36] <Trickster1> someone can tell me what is the difference between lubuntu, lubuntu netbox et openbox before we log in our session plz ?
[21:39] <ianorlin> Trickster1: Lubuntu in 14.04 or newer should have a  little bird in the top left corner
[21:40] <ianorlin> top right I mean on the panel at the top
[21:40] <silverlion> like it says: Lubuntu netbook is beconfigured for netbooks, Lubuntu itself should have at least a laptop and openbox can run everywhere because it's another Desktop Environment
[21:40] <ianorlin> and openbox or lubuntu-netbook will have another icon
[21:41] <Trickster1> ah oki i did'nt notice it thx
[21:41] <ianorlin> and you can click on that to change them
[21:42] <Trickster1> but the utility is the same we can do the same work and use same programs on all of them no ? or there is restriction ?
[21:42] <ianorlin> In lubuntu and lubuntu-netbook everything should be the same
[21:42] <Trickster1> i think for netbok there is some program for the battery
[21:42] <Trickster1> oki
[21:42] <Trickster1> and openbox ?
[21:43] <ianorlin> although openbox is more a kit you setup how you want it
[21:43] <ianorlin> as in it takes some configuration to get to a nice state but can do most things
[21:43] <Trickster1> oki
[21:44] <Trickster1> so openbox uses more ressources than the classic lubuntu ?
[21:44] <ianorlin> no it uses less but is a little harder to configure
[21:44] <Trickster1> oki
[21:44] <Trickster1> thx
[21:44] <ianorlin> openbox runs in a way that more just manages window in the lubuntu session but you get a panel wallpaper and other things
[21:44] <ianorlin> which you don't with default openbox
[21:45] <Trickster1> oki thx
[21:46] <Trickster1> anf for program it is better to use program in the lubuntu store or on the official website of that prgm ?
[21:46] <Trickster1> by exemple for wireshark or tor
[21:46] <Trickster1> because in lubuntu store i notice that it is not the last version
[21:53] <Steve_T> k