=== Hornet- is now known as Hornet [00:47] curious. what'd cause 'load' to go through the roof with idle procs [00:51] shauno: IO [00:51] shauno: Load is the number of processes that would like to run, irrespective of what's stopping them doing that [00:51] shauno: So a bunch of processes that would like to run but blocked on disk will cause the load to spike [00:52] I think I have disk issues. that's why the process table was confusing me [00:52] yeh, that would do it [00:53] just spotted a disturbing amount of this in my logs; http://paste.ubuntu.com/9584865/ [00:53] shauno: Merry xmas [00:53] :) [00:54] well the good news is I just need to shove a ticket in for it [00:54] shauno: That's definitely a bad disk, it's actually saying medium error as opposed to anything else [00:54] right [00:55] luckily it's a paired mirror, so it'll only be "inconvenient" [00:55] sure, if the other one keeps it's end of the bargain [01:00] shauno: smartctl -a /dev/sdx ? [01:00] oh it's RAID [01:00] sorry i'm pretty drunk. [01:00] :) [01:07] yeah I was just looking at that. smart's happy with the drive [01:07] may i see? [01:07] i'm kind of a hard disk killer XD [01:08] heh [01:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/9584929/ [01:17] ah friggin' seagates are evil to read SMART data of :> [01:17] 6736 reallocated sectors sir? that puppy is toast [01:18] line 67 [01:20] shauno: she's dead, jim! [01:21] yeah, I already put a ticket in [01:21] ah, hosted box? [01:22] yeah, hetzner [01:23] good lord, i've been out drinking for 13 hours [01:24] a mates back over from Australia, for a local version of his engagement party [01:28] those error rates look scary (I have no idea whether they're nominal or not, but big numbers scare me anyway) [01:29] seagate are unfortunately ass-backwards when it comes to SMART data, so those big numbers for error rates are actually fine =| [01:29] -_- [01:29] but they also can show up as huge values when a disk truly is wonky [01:29] so yeah, i this is hours? 100712688140336 [01:30] that's from total head flying hours [01:30] diddledan: ! [01:30] diddledan: I'M FLYING! [01:30] sorry. [01:30] daftykins, no, you're high [01:30] daftykins, don't jump out the window! [01:31] it's ok i'm only on the first floor [01:31] also, don't do drugs and stay in school [01:31] \o/ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [04:23] uff, rebuilding 3TB .. [06:45] another day done [06:45] ;] === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [10:50] morning boys and girls. [11:17] morning everyon e [11:17] yo [11:18] knightwise: you bought a chromebook recently? which one? [11:26] Hey popey , [11:27] the Acer C730 (chromebook 11à [11:27] got it yesterday. (working on it right now) [11:31] but , popey , its a cute little device for the small amount of money you pay for it. [11:49] knightwise: is your main laptop broken? [11:50] whats the motivation for using a chromebook? === hamitron_ is now known as hamitron [11:51] cheap? not paying windows tax? ssd from get go? happier with netbooks? [11:51] popey: no , I just wanted to play around with it a little bit. [11:52] zmoylan-pi: I mean, if you already have a laptop. [11:52] chrome is shiney [11:52] I need to do a workshop on cloud computing in a couple of weeks and since Chrome has been a great help in my 'cross platform workflow' I also wanted to play with the chromebook too [11:52] chromebooks worry me. [11:53] And its a handy cheap machine to chuck into my bag when I go out. (i have a 15 inch mbp that is just too expensive) [11:53] vendor lock in just like windows + microsoft office [11:53] popey: True, its a little bit of a lock in , but there are plenty 'non google' web services you can work with [11:53] my ancient netbook is starting to make funny sounds on startup so may be on way out. looking at chromebooks in argos they look nice but thanks to windows panic over them their seem to be netbooks again so might go for one of those instead. but that's because i prefer hd over ssd [11:53] more so tbh, at least with windows you can install libreoffice [11:53] (owncloud , shellinabox, etc) [11:53] its still chrome though [11:54] google ID [11:54] popey: true. [11:54] although you can use the device in Guest mode [11:54] doesn't save though? [11:54] and not what most people will do [11:54] you can run crouton on chromebook but every time you boot you have to select developer mode which would annoy me [11:54] true .. but giving up their freedom is their choice [11:55] zmoylan-pi: you can also dual boot ubuntu on most chromebooks (see Acer 720) [11:55] right, but people in the free software community seem to be promoting chromebooks a lot [11:55] btw : Microsoft will be coming out with similar laptops with 8.1 at the same pricerange [11:55] they already did [11:55] HP have one [11:55] the chromebooks have a zen minimalism about them :-) [11:55] they do [11:55] they're rather nice devices [11:55] saw an 11 inch Toshiba I5 for 250 euros with 'microsoft 8.1 with bing' yesterday [11:55] some of them [11:56] next year is going to be very interesting [11:56] http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/12/hps-fanless-2-2-pound-laptop-includes-broadwell-and-a-2560x1440-screen/ [11:56] True , I like the simplicity of the OS. [11:56] this still tempts me: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191398987339?_trksid=e100084.m1843&_trkparms=clkid%3D2473023964625320656&_qi=RTM1967670#lo-descr [11:56] thats a nice device [11:56] I'm just finishing up my 'first impressions' article, i'll post it a little later today [11:57] popey: Oh that's nice [11:57] I can't imagine that microsoft tablet will ever get any software updates [11:58] I may be wrong [11:58] same for other intel based android tablets [11:58] they're made to a very low price point, get them out the door and forget about them [11:58] see also:- Hudl2 [11:58] does cyanogen support hudl2? [11:58] or intel chips [11:58] dont think so [11:58] intel windows tablets just get windowsupdate [11:58] meh [11:58] popey: They've got a chance of getting updates; it should be a lot less hastle to do the updates for them than ARM [11:58] popey, but that is a throwaway priced device [11:58] ;) [11:59] penguin42: sadly not the case [11:59] the intel bits are needed [11:59] popey: Why? [11:59] also, powervr [11:59] popey: Yeh I know they have powervr, but what else? [11:59] popey: Acer is bringing out the Iconia W8 [11:59] there is some faff with the boot sequence [11:59] an 8 inch tablet with Windows 8.1 for 150 euros [11:59] i dont know the details, but AIUI it's not straightforward [11:59] popey: Hmm annoying [12:00] I'd be interested in AOSP on my hudl2 [12:00] do we even have root on hudl2 yet? [12:00] or bootloader access? [12:00] popey: But still, the kernel mods for it should be a lot smaller than for an Android tablet [12:01] directhex: http://www.modaco.com/topic/373642-how-to-root-your-hudl-2/page-12 [12:01] looong thread about it [12:01] but yes, he did I think [12:02] is it dependable? last thread i saw was brick city [12:02] bet that tablet has poor battery life [12:02] yes, thats the only thread I've seen [12:02] the hudl2 isnt bad [12:02] 7-9 hours [12:02] i'm loking at the ebay one [12:02] right [12:02] ebay tablets are gernally bad news [12:02] I'd imagine they're all similar [12:03] dont buy it from ebay ☻ [12:03] http://www.ebuyer.com/664723-linx-7-windows-8-tablet-pc-linx7 [12:03] they're everywhere [12:04] amazon had one in an xbox bundle [12:04] afaik they're cheap at staples [12:04] that'll end soon I believe [12:04] Intel ending their subsidy of baytrail tablets [12:04] http://www.staples.co.uk/tablets/cbs/428369.html [12:05] I doubt the hudl2 will ever see lollipop [12:05] Tesco don't really care, they're box-shifters [12:05] http://knightwise.com/the-acer-c730-chromebook-first-impressions/ [12:06] the review is live :) [12:06] knightwise: that link is duff [12:06] (at the bottom of the article) [12:06] I just wish my nexus 7 worked better [12:06] :/ [12:06] you copy/pasted a google link [12:06] hamitron: 2012? [12:06] yeh [12:06] I use mine all day every day [12:06] it's the second screen on my desk [12:07] it sits showing irssinotifier and pings me when I get email/tweet etc [12:07] I just find the wifi not as good as my phone [12:07] oh, not seen that [12:07] youtube always buffers and stuff [12:07] my 2012 got really slow [12:07] and crashy [12:07] yeah, mine is quite slow [12:07] my tablet is horrendously slow [12:07] and my wifes samsung [12:08] it's sad, it was really fast when new [12:08] i wiped and flashed lollipop on it, now it's slower [12:08] i factory reset the samsung, still slow [12:08] the 2012 nexus 7 has a known io issue [12:08] i hve not upgraded to lollipop but all the apps updated individually [12:08] low ram i think is an issue [12:09] i wiped cache partition and it helped a little bit [12:09] my wife does play some high ram games, but my tablet is just slooow all the time [12:09] I think my issues started when I upgraded to 4.4 [12:09] yep same here [12:09] i wish android was adminable like linux [12:09] which one does your wife have foobarry ? [12:10] my hudl2 is my "main" tablet now. [12:10] galaxy tab 10.1 popey [12:10] obv being the newest, it's the fastest [12:10] but I love the screen size [12:11] i think i would actually like ubuntu touch on a tablet [12:11] i still have the touchpad hp [12:11] i wouldn't "touch" it for phone or desktop obv. :) [12:12] I'm tempted to try a stripped down android firmware [12:13] but never have the time [12:13] glaxy tab 10.1 has a weird defect where the screen shows an oily patch after a while [12:13] :/ [12:13] http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/369772/samsung-galaxy-tab-screens-marred-by-oil-slick [13:04] http://n1.nokia.com/en looks nice [13:04] another intel based tablet - apparently shipping with lollipop [13:06] might mean other tablets can get lollipop once that ships [13:09] I still can't get the hang of the interface on android [13:09] think I've used windows 8 and wp7/8 too long [13:12] I've not used Windows 8 or Windows phone at all [13:12] other than grabbing someone elses windows phone and swiping around a bit [13:14] right now I'll use anything really [13:14] main things holding me back are knowing what is happening at work (talk of us getting iphones) [13:14] and wanting a dual sim phone [13:15] get a moto g [13:15] they are super cheap, reasonably good, android 5.0, and dual sim [13:16] torn between lumia 630, moto g and Sparkle V [13:16] if I personally choose [13:17] suspect work are going to force me to use an iphone 4s [13:17] seems like an easy choice to me [13:17] my favourite is the lumia 630 [13:17] ;) [13:18] but mostly because I use a lumia 710 and lumia 520 right now [13:19] that android one program sounds interesting [13:21] i've never heard of sparkle V but the name sounds a bit lame [13:21] haha, yeh [13:21] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Karbonn-Sparkle-Android-SIM-Free-Smartphone-Red/dp/B00PH3RPR6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419087533&sr=8-1&keywords=android+one [13:21] get the moto g instead of that it has much better specs [13:21] iphone 4s is getting a bit crusty [13:22] popey, yeh :/ [13:23] http://www.gsmarena.com/karbonn_sparkle_v-6687.php http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_dual_sim_%282014%29-6648.php [13:23] surprised if a company is dishing those out [13:23] hand-me-downs? [13:24] popey, site manager is looking at getting re-furbs [13:24] :/ [13:24] i have a 4s I rarely use now, its a bit slow [13:24] problem is, my school uses some software that is iOS only [13:24] mind you mine has ios 8 on [13:25] but it runs out of RAM very quickly and kills off apps [13:25] oh dear [13:25] so when you switch apps it's always re-starting them [13:25] wifey has a 4, and hers is even slower [13:26] they still cost £120 [13:26] iOS sends the suspend signal and then kills the app if it doesn't suspend in a certain time [13:26] waste of money imo [13:26] yeah, apple stuff holds its value [13:26] 10 mins I think? [13:26] no, more like 10 ms [13:26] that's why apps are getting killed when you switch [13:26] oh, i thought apps got an exception and could run longer [13:26] if they don't respond fast enough they are toast [13:26] like dropbox [13:27] thats something separate [13:27] perhaps if they specifically request it [13:27] yeah [13:27] for doing background uploads etc [13:29] apparently it's 5 seconds, still could cause some apps to die if they are really slow [13:29] so is this the correct moto g? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-5-Inch-SIM-Free-Smartphone-XT1068/dp/B00NBSZ56C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419168007&sr=8-1&keywords=moto+g [13:29] 2nd gen dual sim? yeah looks like it [13:30] there is also a 4G version but it does not have dual sim [13:30] and there are also two 1st gen version which you don't want [13:30] k [13:30] well, dual sim is the biggest factor [13:30] plus new ofc [13:30] :) [13:31] and working [13:31] ;) [13:51] i got a moto g and the only thing i wish i knew was that new android doesn't let you go under 500mb free [13:51] i would have got a 16gb otherwise [14:00] ouch [14:00] I have a Moto G as well. [14:01] And I hadn't discovered that. [14:12] its useless limit, since a lot of features don't work under 500mb [14:13] e.g. receiving email, messages, etc [14:22] found facebook using 200mb of data recently [14:22] the functionality is identical to when it has 0mb of data [14:22] no idea what its doing [14:22] it#s not even cache [14:24] Oh, I use fb on the web on my phone. [14:24] Not comfortable installing it. [14:24] I keep deleting apps I don't use. [14:41] I've started using telegram a lot more to chat to friends [14:43] Yep, I use Telegram as well. [14:46] * penguin42 isn't that sure about Telegram's logo for being 'open' [14:47] https://telegram.org/img/tl_card_open.gif [14:56] TextSecure is pretty good too. [14:56] It's my default SMS app now. [14:58] i saw someone has made a command line version of that [14:58] so there may be an ubuntu version at some point [14:59] has anyone found a twitter app that integrates multiple accounts other than plume? [14:59] doesn't the default twitter app do that? [14:59] plume recently broke usability in their app with massively spamming full screen ads [14:59] it does, yes [14:59] popey: There's a Telegram binary that works on Ubuntu. [14:59] as far as i see, twitter app allows to switch accounts [14:59] I used to use it briefly. [14:59] i do [14:59] but not mux all feeds together [14:59] ahh [15:00] i never found an app that could do that [15:00] plume [15:00] well, gwibber [15:00] but they want £3 for it [15:00] foobarry: there's a webapp [15:00] the ad supported one they have destroye [15:00] tweetdeck [15:00] I have not used their desktop version. [15:00] webapps on phone are a bit sucky [15:00] ah, on phone. Right. [15:01] yeah, i use tweetdeck on desktop [15:05] i recently installed donotcrash [15:05] saw a review by some guy called popey on my app store [15:05] ihaha [15:05] hard/annoying, quite fun [15:05] * popey checks his high score [15:06] 32 [15:06] might uninstall as its stressy [15:06] might be easier on a tablet [15:06] 32 [15:06] heh [15:06] er, 31 [15:06] yeah, i use it on a hudl2 [15:08] uh [15:08] my tablet is muted, how do you unmute? [15:08] android? [15:08] turn up the volume? [15:08] yes [15:08] the volume butttons? [15:08] no, i still have a line through the speaker and no in game sound [15:09] yeah, of course i tried that! ☻ [15:09] how about volumes bit in settings? [15:09] hold down the power button until the menu comes up where you can chose the profile? [15:09] oh, and make sure it's not set to silent [15:09] that makes things weeeeeird. [15:09] it was already not silent mode [15:09] but flipped it silent on then off again [15:09] and all is fine again [15:09] how odd [15:09] thanks [15:10] "Hello IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?" [15:11] foobarry: played dont touch the spikes? [15:13] Minute quest might be up your street ☻ === khurram is now known as Guest15576 [15:32] someone plz help my 14.10 not shutting down or suspending ... it freezes [15:32] no, will check out [15:32] ? [15:33] foobarry [15:35] Guest15576: #ubuntu is the official ubuntu support channel [15:35] more people there [15:35] just type /join #ubuntu [15:35] http://liliputing.com/2014/12/hp-chromebook-14-now-available-full-hd-touchscreen-display.html looks interesting [15:35] thanks :) [15:41] morning. just bought christmas [15:42] \o/ [15:42] lots of dvds involved [15:42] is there any left for anyone else? [15:42] anyone played world of tanks? [15:43] i've played similar f2p games [15:43] not me [15:44] star conflict is world of tanks in space [15:48] hmm, one of my monitors seems dead [15:51] * zmoylan-pi would not want to go shopping in next 4 days for a new monitor.... [15:51] ok, unplugging it and replugging worked [15:51] (power) [15:56] who was that Guest15576, did he randomly pm other people? [15:57] not me [15:57] ok, [16:57] ergh, why must people refer to "ubuntu 14"?! [16:58] fair enough this is a random twit, but it grates me every time I see it [16:58] especially when it's then not clear if it's 14.04 or 14.10 [16:59] penguin42, exactly [16:59] e.g. https://twitter.com/Suuth_TGD/status/546700526768099329 [17:01] i must confess i do sometimes forget to say .04 or .10. i do try and not do that but it happens [17:02] it's not a version number [17:03] diddledan: Well, it's unique and incrementing, so it may as well be [17:03] it doens't really increment tho - else we'd have 14.1 then 14.2 [17:03] 14.04 and 14.04.1 [17:04] diddledan: OK, OK pedant! It's monotonic and unique [17:04] ;) [17:04] pedantry on irc?? :-P [17:04] never [17:05] it's a name which just happens to also be a pair of numbers [17:06] the other one that gets me is dropping the 0 off 04 [17:06] is that a problem? [17:06] yes [17:06] oh, just checking [17:07] diddledan: I mean yes it causes ASCII sorting problems, but not really that big an issue [17:07] tbh, I've never liked how some software considers 2.10 to be a newer version to 2.8 [17:07] hamitron, yeah I don't like that either [17:07] hamitron, I've got used to it tho because pretty much everyone does it these days [17:07] * hamitron doesn't [17:08] * penguin42 finds himself running vim 7.4.475-2 [17:08] I don't really like multiple .s either [17:08] I like to treat anything numeric as proper numbers [17:09] oh, I don't mind that [17:09] the problem I have with multiple dots is that you end up with 2.4.1.5.2.1 [17:10] doing comparisons on them is a pain [17:10] (yes at work we have had version numbers like that) [17:10] sure, but better than having 2 different versions of 2.4.1.5.3 [17:10] ;) [17:11] they could always chuck a little hex in their to mix it up 2.4.1.5.2.F :-) [17:11] I don't like the word "beta" is version numbers either [17:11] haha [17:12] I'm currently trying to figure out tags on an Android kernel my phone uses, the closest tag I can find is LNX.LA.3.5.2.2.c6-03000-8x74.0? [17:12] but sure there is plenty we all hate ;) [17:12] I prefer the idea of odd numbers being beta and even numbers as stable [17:12] I think the 8x74 is the CPU, but the 3.5.2 definitely doesn't correspond to the kernel version - it's 3.4.0 acording to it's Makefile [17:13] diddledan, yeh, I like that [17:13] (that requires two dots tho, which counters my statement above) [17:13] that was a good idea to my mind alright [17:17] https://twitter.com/extempore2/status/546707853478592512 [17:47] popey: You've failed to answer an important question; what is the smug looking rabbit at the Ubuntu stand in Cina Mobile dev conference? [17:47] h [17:47] * popey sees this notification on his phone and wanders into the den to reply [17:47] I have no idea ☻ [17:48] yey phones [17:48] notifications ftw [17:49] in that case we'd best just call him Frank [17:49] penguin42, is there a photo? [17:49] diddledan: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wdfQ2S2m7rY/VJVjjNe_IoI/AAAAAAAAByY/KLi5gR01aJk/w1202-h801-no/IMG_1927.jpg [17:49] pmsl [17:50] lots of men in suits. and a giant rabbit. [17:50]