[05:44] morning [05:44] I'm so tired [05:45] and so over waking up this early [05:57] o/ [05:57] morning [05:57] Squirm: are you working? [05:57] nuvolari: I am [05:57] nuvolari: yourself? [05:58] yep [05:58] should've taken that leave [05:58] we'll be like 4 people in the office [05:59] Haha. yeah... We're not allowed to take leave until Christmas, I'm taking the 30th-2nd [06:00] But there is a ton of people taking leave from the 25th [06:06] Morning everyone [06:06] hi bduk1 and others [06:06] morning ThatGraemeGuy [06:10] mornings [06:37] hi user____ [06:37] you a bot [06:37] !help [06:38] ohi gremble [06:39] and Squirm yy [06:48] hmm... [07:04] Hey [07:27] 'lo [08:05] oh hi oom Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy [08:06] g'day [08:09] lo nuvolari gaanit seun? [08:11] morning magespawn [08:13] good morning Kilos [08:33] Good morning Kilos [08:33] and all the rest [08:45] hi gremble [08:47] hi oom, dit gaan okei, by die werk [08:47] dalk moes ek maar verlof gevat het [08:47] oh hi magespawn, gremble [08:49] haha nuvolari spaar jou verlof vir n beter tyd [08:50] of vat net hier en daar n dag om laang naweke te maak [08:53] hi nuvolari [08:53] you need a brek every now and then [08:53] a break even [08:54] lol [08:57] i have an ugly problem today [08:57] stupid windows [08:58] yes that is an ugly problem [08:58] good luck with that [08:58] you know ho i use it to use up the beginning of a drive thats not good enough for linux magespawn [08:59] well xp is under 2g in size and even though i dont use it it has filled up the 10g partition so boot-repair even complains [08:59] and i have elementary on the rest of the 80g [09:00] you have a 10GB partition for windows xp? [09:00] ya just to use up the start of the drive thats not linux friendly [09:00] that entire statement makes no sense at all, sorry [09:01] i dont understand how it could have filled up the 10g [09:01] hmm... [09:01] i don't understand how a specific part of a hard disk can be unfriendly to linux [09:01] oh easy [09:02] linux is very sensitive to drives that arent in good nick [09:02] oh my [09:02] as in i cant install only linux [09:02] this looks like one of those conversations i need to step away from before i say something offensive and get a lecture from someone who almost never says a word [09:03] hahaha no man you can tune me [09:03] i have my duck suit on [09:05] the answer ThatGraemeGuy is to buy a new drive. then there are no probs, but i get a kick out of playing with other peeps discarded drives [09:06] for years i used a bad 500g with windows on the first 50g then only my ubuntu [09:06] yes I realise that, which is why I said time for me to go silent [09:06] but this is missing the point [09:07] lol [09:07] the point is how can it fill up 10g if there is only the basic install there originally [09:07] it was under 2g when installed [09:07] because 10GB is woefully inadequate for a windows xp install [09:07] 20 minumum but 40 is probably better for long term [09:08] ya for one that gets used yes [09:08] well actually deleting it is better for long term, because windows xp is dead [09:08] you are like someone that wants to keep playing with fire, then everyone around you says "no, don't do that" [09:08] Kilos: can't you just leave the bad part empty? [09:08] this install was only to get drive booting so linux could run on the good 60g [09:08] then you go "it ok i know the risks i like playing with fire" [09:09] and then when your hand is burning up, you start going "ow ow, what can i do to make the pain less?" [09:09] and everyone goes "TAKE YOUR HAND OUT OF THE FIRE!" [09:09] hahaha [09:09] rofl [09:10] i love this channel [09:10] but you say "well yes, obviously, but i like playing with fire so i won't do that, what else can make the pain less?" [09:10] Is that relating to useing XP or broken HDD's? :P [09:10] using* wow [09:10] that enlgihs [09:10] -_- [09:10] nothing. nothing can make the pain less. take. your. hand. out. of. the. fire. [09:10] its both [09:10] broken HDDs is the fire [09:11] windows xp is the 25 gallon drum of petrol tossed on top if it [09:11] I like the mixig of gallon and petrol in one sentence. Truly a multi-cultural statement :P [09:11] magespawn: help [09:12] at least we have had a good chuckle for the day [09:12] so everything else will be good too [09:13] I have to clean house. I'm not sure about the good [09:13] should i call it a 94.6353l drum instead? [09:13] lol [09:13] You can call it anything you like [09:14] Even samantha [09:15] a whole samantha of fire juice [09:15] hurry with the cleanup op gremble [09:15] clean up [09:15] still lotsa python to be done [09:16] Psh :P [09:16] make a nice christmas present a working ibid [09:16] That will probably not happen :P [09:16] Maaz: coffee on [09:16] * Maaz washes some mugs [09:16] sigh [09:16] Maaz: coffee please [09:16] gremble: Alrighty [09:16] Maaz: coffee for all [09:16] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already [09:17] That one is not in the ibid that I have [09:17] no it is an old release [09:18] note when it googles it only gives 3 lines then adds another [09:18] Maaz: google coffee [09:18] Kilos: "Coffee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee :: "Coffee Review - The World's Leading Coffee Guide" http://www.coffeereview.com/ :: "Coffee | Starbucks Coffee Company" http://www.starbucks.com/coffee :: "Starbucks Coffee Company" http://www.starbucks.com/ :: "Stumptown Coffee Roasters" http://stumptowncoffee.com/ :: "Blue [09:18] Bottle Coffee" https://bluebottlecoffee.com/ :: "Light Roast Flavored Coffee - Maple Bacon … [09:18] The results probably have a newline in them [09:18] the later ones have that fixed [09:18] or a CR [09:18] no wait man [09:19] Hmm? [09:19] QA: hi [09:19] hi there [09:19] QA: google coffee [09:19] Kilos: "Coffee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee :: "Coffee Review - The World's Leading Coffee Guide" http://www.coffeereview.com/ :: "Coffee | Starbucks Coffee Company" http://www.starbucks.com/coffee :: "Stumptown Coffee Roasters" http://stumptowncoffee.com/ :: "Blue Bottle Coffee" https://bluebottlecoffee.com/ :: "Light Roast Flavored Coffee - Maple Bacon Morning Coffee" http://www.bocajava.com/fresh-roas… [09:19] see [09:19] Oh ok [09:20] n ow you are working on the same version as QA [09:20] Coffee's ready for Kilos and gremble! [09:20] Maaz: thanks man [09:20] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [09:21] QA: leave #ubuntu-za [10:22] not_found: greetings, didnt see you here, you becoming a major lurker hey [10:59] hi psyatw hows things [11:00] hi Kilos [11:00] it's been a long time, yes [11:00] I've been working here in Dublin, Ireland for a month now [11:00] why you took so long to remember us [11:00] I am doing fine now, but I've been sick for most of the time I've been here [11:01] the thing is I can't really join irc from work [11:01] aw sorry to hear that lad [11:01] but not my manager is on holidays and there are few people in the office [11:01] now* [11:01] aha [11:01] how have you been doing? [11:01] ive been good ty [11:01] yeah, I don't even have my own place yet [11:02] it's hard to find any accommodation at all here [11:02] good luck with everything [11:02] there is a huge shortage [11:02] thanks [11:02] ai! thats not good [11:02] yes [11:02] charm some pretty irish chick [11:02] you would think with all the big companies here, that they would build more houses [11:02] but that isn't really the case [11:03] so people come to work for google, facebook, linkedin, oracle, dropbox etc. [11:03] what do the peeps at work say [11:03] but they have to rent really small and expensive places for them to stay at [11:03] eish [11:03] the people at work also tell me it's very hard to find anything and a few have offered me help [11:04] but I am going back to the netherlands for holidays and I'll be back in the new year [11:04] then I will continue looking for places to stay [11:04] I think I'm charming more foreign chicks [11:04] well have a good holiday then, will you be online from home? [11:04] yesterday I went out for dinner with a ukrainian friend of mine [11:04] yes, I will be online from home [11:05] thanks [11:05] find a rich irish chick, there must be some [11:05] if I had my own place here I would stay connected from home too, but that will hopefully happen soon [11:05] but this ukrainian one works at google, she has the potential to be rich too [11:06] I will follow your advice, though [11:06] well at least you didnt forget us so keep trying [11:06] there must be rich irish ones too, I just need to find them [11:06] yeah [11:06] google is your friend [11:06] hehe [11:06] haha [11:07] are there lost of foreighers there? [11:07] lots [11:08] yes, really a lot [11:08] wow [11:08] at my company maybe 60% of employees [11:08] wow [11:08] and the same is the case at google [11:09] all engineers are foreigners [11:09] it seems that irish people are managers or have other administrative positions [11:10] so what do the irish do then, just employ foreigners? [11:10] dont they work as well [11:10] aha [11:10] yes, they do mostly that [11:10] a lot of irish people leave the country every year because they don't have jobs here [11:11] for places like canada, the US or australia [11:11] we are loosing peeps as well [11:11] or they just live off benefits [11:11] 2 of our boffs are at silicon valley [11:11] people from this channel? [11:11] ya [11:12] I might end up there in the future too [11:12] but who knows [11:12] I'm in the european silicon valley now, so maybe I will get the opportunity to move there in the future [11:13] lol [13:49] hi rio_zenta [13:52] hometime guys [13:53] or still another hour [13:53] ? [13:54] Wow [13:54] It is so late already [13:57] ya today flew [13:57] you been working too hard [13:58] oh gremble i got one for you to work out [13:58] is true morth still true north same as always or have the poles moved a bit [13:59] maybe 2 or 3° [13:59] i think 1 is too little [14:00] Hello [14:00] Linux audio issues, sigh [14:01] Magnetic north and true north have never been the same [14:01] The earth is tilted 23° [14:01] well twenty three point something [14:03] ya but im sure when this house was built 50+ years ago, one side faced north [14:03] so opposite side never saw the sun [14:03] I stand corrected, it changes [14:03] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_declination [14:03] now the sun just creeps into the edge of those windows [14:04] i think all the nuke testing has moved it [14:04] hence the global warming thing [14:04] Kilos: nukes don't give off that much power.. [14:04] sjoe [14:05] http://www.livescience.com/32120-can-a-nuclear-blast-alter-earths-rotation.html [14:06] I'm not much of a geophysicist, but one hypothesis would be that *never saw the sun* may be incorrect or that the position of orbit and angle of dip now allows some of the sun to peek through those windows [14:08] ty for that info guys [14:09] wb magespawn all fixed now? [14:10] theoretically gremble it shouldnt happen. but late avy sun now gets in here [14:11] mid summer only though [14:11] Then your house probably doesn't face directly north [14:15] ya, maybe we just have taken notice before [14:15] is magnetic north to the left or right of true north] [14:16] ? [14:17] I have no idea [14:17] Kilos: left IIRC [14:17] ty [14:21] afternoon superfly [14:23] hi Kilos [14:23] Kilos: meeting tonight? [14:23] nope not that i know of [14:23] next meet 4th tuesday in january [14:24] but we can have one if you like [14:24] hehe [14:28] Kilos i not physically at work today [14:29] am [14:29] working from home. it version of a holiday [14:34] aha [14:35] oh my is today the 16th [14:35] oh no [14:36] what version of holiday magespawn ? private one? [14:38] only used 10mB data so far today [14:40] as in annual holiday [14:40] from work [14:41] as in christmas week, so i took some time off [14:42] good afternoon [14:42] Maaz: coffee on [14:42] * Maaz washes some mugs [14:42] hi charl [14:42] hi Kilos [14:46] Coffee's ready for charl! [14:53] Maaz: thanks [14:53] charl: Sure [14:59] hi charl [15:05] I think we burn through 1-2GB a day now [15:08] sjoe [15:08] rio_zenta: what is your other nick [15:08] the one i know [15:08] you arent new here are you? [15:12] nope [15:12] Im trying to fix my audio issues [15:13] hardware vendors have no love for linux [15:23] eish [15:26] rio_zenta: explain your prob, maybe someone else has already sorted itr [15:26] it [15:27] Kilos, The audio is coming out quite soft. And when I plug the headphones into the dual-jack, I can't hear the vocals [15:27] music comes through but no vocals? [15:36] aargh no now there's an ntpd problem [15:36] and you know how many servers run that by default [15:36] half the world's linux boxes getting pwned again [15:38] rio_zenta: you looked at the volume thing in 2 places [15:38] on hides in an equalizer somewhere [15:38] I checked Pulse Audio and I checked ALSA mixer [15:38] It's definitely a driver issue, but let me confirm by testing vocals on win7 [15:39] hmmm read through the vulnerability docs, doesn't sound *too* serious at least [16:26] hmm... [16:51] wb magespawn [16:52] ty Kilos, i think this laptop is getting to its used up date [16:53] oh my another one [16:54] what do you guys do to them things [16:57] magespawn, specs? [16:57] hi rio_zenta! You new? [16:57] theblazehen_, nope, different machine. [16:57] rio_zenta: alright. Normal username? [16:58] theblazehen_, guess? :P [16:58] hehe [16:58] lemme check your history so far.. [16:58] superfly? [16:58] ? [16:58] na [16:59] superfly: guessing names [16:59] rio_zenta: SDCDev? [17:00] I'm in between letters g and Maaz [17:00] someone with more than one machine there [17:00] grumbler [17:00] inetpro: ? [17:01] kbmonkey: ? [17:02] my username isnt showing, otherwise I wouldnt have given such a clue :O [17:02] oom Kilos how did the loco thing go? [17:04] very good ty rio_zenta [17:04] something with a j [17:04] um [17:04] rio_zenta: I give up.. [17:04] er [17:04] we leagal again for 2 years [17:05] legal as well [17:05] Something with a J is warmer [17:05] a capital "J" [17:05] im just trying to remember it [17:05] I wonder what happened to that European guy in Namibia [17:06] i dunno [17:06] and bushtech [17:06] jp [17:06] de lange [17:07] rio_zenta: stone age [17:07] theblazehen_: what nicks started with J [17:07] Kilos: dunno, I will grep the logs later [17:07] hehe [17:07] I don't like regex :( [17:08] rio_zenta: orginally came with win xp 1.7Ghz with 512 ram [17:08] this is hard work you know [17:09] even older than my old machine. I had 1GB ram, 1.8Ghz [17:09] Don't be grepping any logs theblazehen_ . It's Joe_knock [17:09] there you go [17:09] works fine most of the time, just has a problem with lots of open browser tabs [17:10] well done magespawn [17:10] now he is Joe_donner [17:10] magespawn: more ram will help [17:11] with 1GB ram not even linux can handle firefox and libreoffice open at the same time [17:11] rio_zenta: Ah.. [17:11] yup that is what i have noticed too [17:11] linux loves lotsa ram [17:11] rio_zenta: swap on PCIe SSD... [17:12] heh? theblazehen_ [17:12] oh [17:12] rio_zenta: yeah.. Will run them then [17:12] I understood that after reading twice [17:12] lol [17:12] im currently in windows mode, doing backups. forgive my ignorance [17:12] hehe [17:13] magespawn, there was a lekker special on i5 laptops recently. a t-series lenovo. I picked 1 up [17:13] Kilos runs xubuntu fine, must just contain my tab browsing urges [17:13] rio_zenta: at the moment the budget is too tight to mention [17:13] xubuntu 14.04 is kinda crap compared to 12.04 [17:13] lighter browser dont help? [17:14] magespawn, what is your budget? [17:14] R0.00 [17:14] lol [17:14] :O [17:14] oi [17:14] worse than me [17:14] that will change [17:15] hulle se geld is tight vir everyone, maar as jy gaan by die malls dis weekend, wil almal daar wees [17:15] it is better than a while ago when is was -R some arb amount [17:16] oh my magespawn and new years school costs coming too [17:16] eish [17:16] at times im glad im a ballie [17:17] i have those sorts of things covered, that is why 'luxuries' must wait a bit [17:17] aha [17:18] cant have kids without budgeting for 25 years it seems [17:18] magespawn: you didnt try opera did you? [17:19] i have but not on the laptop [17:19] i enjoy firefox sync [17:19] its way lighter than the fox [17:20] sjoe remember when we used those cli browasers [17:20] browsers [17:20] i still do on occasion [17:20] sjoe [17:20] ive been spoiled [17:21] i like the idea of being able to accomplish every thing from a cli [17:22] i still think apt-get and aptitude miss updates [17:22] what sort of updates? [17:23] all updates upgrades [17:23] open synaptic and go through the list and right click reinstall them all and see how much more it downloads [17:24] so somewhere apt-get is missing stuff [17:24] does that not download the whole program, updates are updates to the installed programs? [17:25] i have everything saved in archives but even kde got another 400m the other day [17:25] by running reinstall, i think, it redownloads the whole program up to date [17:26] i dont know, no one has ever told me what actually happens [17:27] but if packages are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ it shouldnt fetch anything more [17:27] i am pretty certain about that, but we can check [17:27] you will see some fetch nothing [17:27] there must be a reason [17:28] and especially with unity it works better after doing reinstalls from synaptic [17:28]