[00:18] <diddledan> daftykins, I wasn't aware apple don't use samba anymore
[00:18] <shauno> another symptom of their gplv3 allergy
[00:18] <daftykins> they made v2 then kinda broke it
[00:19] <daftykins> and ruined all samba devices
[00:19] <daftykins> well, i exaggerate :>
[00:20] <diddledan> wtf? samba and then suddenly svn?!
[00:22] <diddledan> that really is shocking
[00:22] <diddledan> I'm totally on your side about folk that put no effort into learning
[00:23] <diddledan> I cut my teath in support terms on a qmail list, though, so I'm probably a bit TOO pedantic about people showing effort
[00:24] <diddledan> specifically, this dude's list: https://qmail.jms1.net/
[00:25] <zmoylan-pi> i worked tech support so i think i just label him the sort you email a list of instructions to and then have to read the flippin email when they ring in afterwards
[00:26] <diddledan> yeah, but when you're doing it for free
[00:26] <diddledan> please put your own effort in
[00:28] <diddledan> I appreciate in a commercial setting that you're being paid to be nice to clients. here, however, we're mostly just kind people and are putting hours into helping other folk because we want to - getting that thrown in your face is not as bearable as when you're paid to have it thrown
[00:29] <diddledan> with business clients you can "lie back and think of England" :-p
[00:30] <diddledan> plus actually getting people that blindly ask for a list of steps to actually think about what they want to do and why then they actually start to learn the processes that will help them resolve future problems without asking for instructions
[00:33] <daftykins> +1
[00:40] <diddledan> at work we're trying to get a new intranet project off the ground for our client who have contracted the hosting to someone other than us - so we're talking with the client explaining to non-technical people how the technical people should set up the servers. the technical people reply asking for step by step instructions because they too cannot think for themselves - it seems they're a windows shop and are treating a linux deployment like
[00:40] <diddledan> they would a windows deployment
[00:40] <diddledan> the technical people being the third party
[00:42] <daftykins> :(
[00:42] <daftykins> that just seems like an unnecessary headache
[00:42] <diddledan> indeed
[00:42] <daftykins> surely hours billable will just grow exponentially dealing with that kind of an obfuscation
[00:42] <diddledan> they started asking us "what roles and features should be enabled on the new redhat server?"
[00:43] <ali1234> that seems like a reasonable question
[00:43] <diddledan> ali1234, not really, because redhat has no concept of roles or features
[00:43] <daftykins> lol, that sounds like installer screen #1
[00:43] <diddledan> ali1234, they mean server roles, not permissions roles
[00:44] <diddledan> ali1234, like "tick the webserver box and click go"
[00:44] <ali1234> red hat doesn't have that?
[00:48] <diddledan> ali1234, the point is that it shows they're thinking about it like it's a windows box without understanding the nuances of linux - windows comes with everything installed you just turn it on. redhat has a package manager which they seem incapable of using.
[00:48] <diddledan> we supplied a list of rpm packages to install via yum. they came back and told us they weren't available in the system.
[00:49] <diddledan> one can only assume that's because they've run a basic install and then said "where's that package we were told should be there?!"
[00:49] <diddledan> i.e. that they didn't touch yum AT ALL
[00:51] <daftykins> :D
[00:51] <ali1234> every red hat system i've ever used didn't even have yum installed by default and i had to install it and then add a bunch of repositories to get any useful software at all
[00:51] <daftykins> cringe.
[00:52] <diddledan> we're also constantly repeating ourselves because they keep asking the same questions that we already answered
[00:52] <ali1234> this might be because i only ever have to deal with EOL servers that the original company no longer wants to support
[00:52] <diddledan> like today they asked us again for a list of software that needs installed despite earlier sending a list of software that they hadn't installed
[00:53] <diddledan> i.e. our list == their list.
[00:55] <daftykins> :(
[00:55] <daftykins> sounds like a fudge way to ask for more help without admitting they don't have a clue
[00:55] <daftykins> i'd stop the email tennis by phoning through i think
[00:56] <shauno> mixed on that, email pingpong is handy for providing a record of incompetence ;)
[00:57] <diddledan> :-)
[00:57] <diddledan> record of incompetence is useful when it comes to explaining why the project is late
[00:57] <daftykins> ah-har
[00:57] <daftykins> very true
[00:58] <daftykins> in fact that's a point, when i had a clients 'website guy' who took one month to change MX records on their domain, i was being asked why the hold up so i said yeah, check this out he's useless.
[00:58] <diddledan> :-)
[00:59] <diddledan> yeah it's always fun dropping someone else in it :-p
[00:59] <daftykins> i've never encountered anyone this terrible
[01:00] <daftykins> they lost their entire month trial of google apps because of this one :o
[01:00] <diddledan> yeouch
[01:00] <diddledan> that meant signing up for a year contract?
[01:02] <daftykins> you only have to decide by the end of the trial really, so i think it was on month to month to start with as it was the first time i was trying GApps
[01:02] <daftykins> wanted to have a plan B :)
[01:12] <diddledan> omg the children! http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/north-korea-suffers-widespread-internet-outage-n273281
[01:13] <daftykins> ;]
[01:13] <diddledan> very one-sided reporting there
[01:13] <diddledan> and weird intonation on the statement that korea "went dark"
[01:14] <daftykins> *darker
[01:15] <diddledan> I wonder how long it'll be before infomation is stored and analysed in realtime on everything ever
[01:15] <diddledan> (the video went onto a different one about obama's bigdata plans)
[01:18] <diddledan> I don't like the term bigdata - they're touting "it" as the answer to everything as though it's something new which has suddenly become available
[01:18] <ali1234> it is tho
[01:18] <zmoylan-pi> the bigger the data the longer the analysis to use it
[01:18] <diddledan> just when is data too big to be called data and has to be called bigdata?
[01:18] <ali1234> when humans couldn't make sense out of it
[01:18] <diddledan> 256bit?
[01:19] <diddledan> I'm assuming it is like int and bigint
[01:20] <diddledan> but technically humans haven't been able to make sense of data since data was invented - we created the bombes specifically to analyse data which humans had no chance of analysing - was that not big enough to be bigdata?
[01:20] <ali1234> kind of
[01:20] <ali1234> it's not about calculation though
[01:21] <zmoylan-pi> well we could have broken the task of cracking enigma down to human sized chunks but the messages would be obsolete by the time it was done.
[01:22] <ali1234> cracking encryption isn't typically a problem of dataset size
[01:22] <zmoylan-pi> the first weather forecast took a few weeks after the data was gathered as it was done by hand
[01:22] <diddledan> so surely there's a cutoff of when one calls it data or bigdata
[01:23] <diddledan> otherwise why isn't it all bigdata?
[01:23] <ali1234> the cutoff depends on what you are doing with the data
[01:23] <zmoylan-pi> why do we call it the cloud and not network computing.  marketing buzzwords
[01:24] <ali1234> weather forecasting is closer but still doesn't typically involve large amounts of data, or at least it didn't until recently
[01:25] <ali1234> still also involves too much simulation
[01:26] <zmoylan-pi> well weather forecasts can use as much data as you want as we now have 100s of years of data at varying degrees of resolution that could be used for certain types of forecast
[01:26] <diddledan> unrelated "america will respond to sony hack proportionately" <- I should bleeping hope it's proportionate, I don't want to nuke korea just because a movie got canned
[01:27] <zmoylan-pi> a bad movie
[01:27] <diddledan> ^^ either respond proportionately or not at all - in which case why make a point that it's going to be proportionate?!
[01:28] <ali1234> that movie does look really bad
[01:29] <diddledan> "we're going to respond unproportionately. I've decided to send the 11th fleet to bombard nk from the coast"
[01:29] <zmoylan-pi> how many movies are made per year?  how many are good movies?
[01:29] <diddledan> yeah, it looks terrible
[01:29] <ali1234> good question. i once looked it up in the context of "how many movies have been made ever?"
[01:29] <ali1234> but i can't remember the answer
[01:29] <diddledan> ali1234, does that include bollywood and porn?
[01:30] <diddledan> the numbers seriously skyrocket when you include those
[01:30] <ali1234> i think i included bollywood but not porn
[01:30] <ali1234> and not home videos etc
[01:30] <diddledan> lol
[01:30] <ali1234> clearly at this point the number is far too large to even guestimate, so i think i limited it to before 1990
[01:30] <zmoylan-pi> i go by the average of 2-3 dvds worth getting per year
[01:31] <zmoylan-pi> most of the movies i buy are pre 90s
[01:31] <ali1234> i wanted to know how much hard drive space you would need for all feature films ever released
[01:31] <diddledan> eep
[01:31] <diddledan> lots
[01:31] <diddledan> and lots more
[01:31] <ali1234> yes, but not so much as to make it impossible
[01:31] <ali1234> up to 1990 anyway
[01:31] <diddledan> especially if you've rescanned film stock to HD file formats
[01:32] <ali1234> i was using a 1GB per movie metric
[01:32] <diddledan> obv there's that black hole in the 90s where video took over but they weren't taping at HD
[01:34] <diddledan> grr, I need my other monitor
[01:34] <diddledan> I want to watch netflix and do other things at the same time
[01:34] <diddledan> i.e. carry on monitoring this channel :-p
[01:35] <daftykins> ;]
[01:35] <diddledan> I've decided that uk netflix is terrible compared to the us version so I'm trying out unblock-us.com
[01:35] <ali1234> why is it terrible?
[01:36] <ali1234> i was thinking about getting it
[01:36] <ali1234> but if it's terrible i won't bother
[01:36] <diddledan> ali1234, not terrible, just terrible in comparison
[01:36] <ali1234> anyone ever tried wuaki.tv?
[01:36] <ali1234> i got a free code for one film
[01:36] <ali1234> but i figure it probably won't work
[01:37] <diddledan> it's good, and getting better - it's way better than it was when they first launched. I'm talking of their available titles in what I consider good/terrible.
[01:37] <ali1234> what's missing?
[01:38] <diddledan> the american has more up-to-the-minute releases of movies, and their back catalogue of tv shows is larger
[01:38] <ali1234> what about obscure old movies?
[01:38] <zmoylan-pi> the problem was described best in recent article where it said you'd need to sign up to over 20 services in uk to see all tv shows and movies you might want
[01:38] <diddledan> those you're likely to find more parity I think
[01:39] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, yeah, I read that too
[01:39] <ali1234> i am patient
[01:39] <ali1234> i don't watch shows until they've ended
[01:39] <zmoylan-pi> that's a lot of subscriptions
[01:39] <diddledan> they said something like you need to sign up to (was it around 35?) different uk streaming services to get about 60% of the available movie releases
[01:40] <diddledan> that's 60% being compared to 100% on dvd
[01:41] <zmoylan-pi> and some stuff will never make it to dvd as it's in legal limbo or too obscure
[01:45] <zmoylan-pi> so... you've never seen dr. who? :-)
[01:46] <ali1234> meh... it's overrated
[01:46] <zmoylan-pi> it's kiddie sci fi, once you accept that it's grand
[01:46] <diddledan> here we go: https://torrentfreak.com/uk-users-need-27-services-to-get-most-popular-films-report-finds-141208/
[01:46] <ali1234> i just end up asking "why a i watching this?"
[01:47] <ali1234> the last series had maybe one good episode
[01:48] <zmoylan-pi> and while it may be cheesy sci fi it has given some wonderful enemies, moments and characters over it's very long run
[01:49] <ali1234> mostly from before the reboot though
[01:49] <zmoylan-pi> true
[01:49] <ali1234> they should bring back the sea devils
[01:49] <zmoylan-pi> the reboot has made it more fantasy and kiddie
[01:49] <ali1234> there is definitely a lac of grounding in the recent episodes
[01:50] <ali1234> plot holes even a 12 year old would notice
[01:50] <ali1234> at least the big bad didn't turn out to be "you, but from the future" AGAIN
[01:52] <ali1234> the show is better when it's not saving the world every 5 minutes
[01:52] <ali1234> there was very little of that in the old series
[01:52] <ali1234> it was always localized
[03:20] <diddledan> there's birds twittering outside
[03:20] <diddledan> isn't it early for them yet?
[03:40] <ali1234> it could be a owl
[03:43] <diddledan> it's a twitter which I wouldn't associate with an owl, but I'm terrible at bird sounds
[06:10] <mapps> hi all
[06:11] <mapps> daftykins, and zmoylan-pi  up as ever?:D
[06:19] <diddledan> morning mapps
[06:20] <mapps> morning
[06:20] <mapps> woken up or not slept?:P
[06:20] <diddledan> not slept
[06:21] <mapps> lol no work today?
[06:23] <diddledan> nono, I have to work in a bit too :-p
[06:23] <mapps> damn
[06:23] <mapps> from home?
[06:23] <diddledan> aye
[06:23] <mapps> not a long day i take it?
[06:23] <mapps> id feel awful if hadnt slept and went to work
[06:23] <diddledan> standard office hours
[06:25] <mapps> man how do u doit lol
[06:25] <mapps> i get all irritable.hot and bothered and hate it if i havent slept#]
[06:44] <mapps> more ep of stalker then bed
[06:44] <mapps> 1
[06:47] <mapps> ptoblem staying up late..i endp eating loads:D
[06:53] <diddledan> speaking of eating. methinks I need to get in some chocolate
[06:53] <mapps> :D
[07:24] <mapps> off to sleep
[07:24] <mapps> nighty night
[07:33] <knightwise> hey everyone
[07:35] <ThomasRedstone> key knightwise!
[07:57] <knightwise> hey ThomasRedstone  how are ya
[08:22] <ThomasRedstone> not bad knightwise! And you?
[08:49] <knightwise> doing ok
[08:49] <knightwise> playing around with Vbox-Webservice (trying to get it working)
[08:50] <DJones> Morning
[09:01] <diddledan> hmm, I think the choccy shop should be open
[09:03]  * DJones sends diddledan to choccywoccydoodah
[09:16] <knightwise> hey DJones , diddledan
[09:16] <diddledan> ello knighthawk
[09:25] <knightwise> hey diddledan :)
[09:26] <knightwise> any of you ever played with Virtualbox Web interface ?
[09:26] <knightwise> (php virtualbox)
[09:29] <diddledan> nope
[09:43] <ThomasRedstone> nope, sounds interesting though, knightwise!
[09:43] <knightwise> phpvirtualbox , a web based interface to the Virtualbox Control center
[09:44] <knightwise> I have just about got it working , still need to tinker with it a little bit
[09:44] <knightwise> I'm doing a "Chromebook only" week and i thought that pimping up my Vbox host with a web interface would come in handy
[10:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:06] <sbutcher> does chromebook have a termnal app?
[10:10] <knightwise> sbutcher it does
[10:10] <knightwise> its very limited but you can ssh with it
[10:10] <sbutcher> charlie brown christmas is free on amazon android app store today :)
[10:10] <sbutcher> is it a webapp knightwise ?
[10:11] <sbutcher> chrome app
[10:11] <knightwise> phpVirtualbox is a web based interface
[10:11] <knightwise> Nope ,the terminal is something you can access by hitting ctrl-alt T
[10:11] <knightwise> and its a tab
[10:17] <sbutcher> what is actually good about chromebook?
[10:17] <sbutcher> i've never seen/used one, but i don't get it?
[10:17] <knightwise> www.knightwise.com (I did 2 articles this week)
[10:17] <sbutcher> cost? battery life? simples?
[10:18] <knightwise> its not bad at all , its cheap , batterlife is great and it has a low footprint
[10:18] <knightwise> the OS is hardly visible and if your workflows are web-friendly there is a LOT you can do
[10:18] <knightwise> i've been surviving on it for 2 days and only had to switch back to my Mac once (for a print job)
[10:19] <sbutcher> the apps aren't at same level as android though are they?
[10:20] <sbutcher> how big is local storage?
[10:24] <knightwise> 16 gig , but I hardly use it
[10:24] <sbutcher> i can't quite see how i could use one instead of a laptop,
[10:25] <knightwise> I AM gonna get me a micro usb adapter to add 64 gigs of storage .. just so I can watch some tv shows on it when i'm offline
[10:25] <sbutcher> nor in addition to a laptop
[10:25] <knightwise> sbutcher depends on what your workflows are like.
[10:25] <sbutcher> today i am WFH
[10:25] <knightwise> if you can survive in chrome , you can survive on a chromebook.
[10:25] <knightwise> WHF ?
[10:25] <sbutcher> working from home
[10:25] <knightwise> Same here
[10:25] <sbutcher> daughter had a sick bug
[10:25] <sbutcher> waiting to see if i have it too
[10:26] <sbutcher> today i have 4 ssh sessions open, and have x displayed keeppassX from another machine, plus chromez
[10:27] <knightwise> keepassX and X from another machine is gonna be hard on a chromebook
[10:27] <sbutcher> just a typical action
[10:27] <knightwise> but you can always sideload Ubuntu if you need it and switch back and forth
[10:27] <sbutcher> will be hard in wayland too
[10:27] <sbutcher> later i will use x2go client to remote it
[10:27] <sbutcher> at work, rdesktop too
[10:27] <knightwise> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/795730-how-to-easily-install-ubuntu-on-chromebook-with-crouton
[10:27] <knightwise> There are Rdesktop apps
[10:28] <sbutcher> i think an old laptop would be better for me if i was on budget
[10:29] <sbutcher> i am always on a budget ;)
[10:31] <knightwise> indeed... but 250 euros for a small laptop isnt a lot of money. + the footprint of chromeOs is much ligher then linux
[10:31] <knightwise> (depending of your flavor of course)
[10:33] <sbutcher> elementary :D
[10:34] <sbutcher> photo storage is an issue. it couldn't replace having a laptop or desktop inthe house
[10:34] <sbutcher> unless oyu have a home server of course
[10:35] <knightwise> True. This is not a "single machine"
[10:36] <knightwise> I use Shellinabox to connect to my servers (if I just want to use the browser) have webmin running etc ..
[10:36] <knightwise> + i can connect to my synology via my Owncloud server
[10:37] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:38] <sbutcher> https://twitter.com/StephenMangan/status/547149777079894016
[10:38] <sbutcher> lolz
[10:39] <sbutcher> turns out it was the local papers fault but still lol
[10:51] <knightwise> you brobostigon
[10:52] <brobostigon> me what? knightwise
[10:52] <knightwise> YO brobostigon
[10:52] <knightwise> sorry .. typo :p
[10:52] <brobostigon> morning knightwise :)
[10:52] <knightwise> how you're doin ok ?
[10:53] <brobostigon> my eczema on my back is abit dodgy, and not sleeping properly, otherwise fine. and you?
[10:55] <knightwise>   Some backproblems. mostly of sitting behind the pc too much
[10:56] <knightwise> Doing some invoicing .. booking in some paperwork today
[10:56]  * knightwise is self employed 
[10:56] <brobostigon> :( good luck.
[10:59] <knightwise> yeah..
[11:00]  * brobostigon offers knightwise a box of sanity, to get him though it.
[11:01] <knightwise> Thanx brobostigon  ! i'll need it to get through some of the drudgery :)
[11:01] <brobostigon> :) yw.
[11:25] <knightwise> There , massive Xmas playlist cued up on Spotify
[11:25] <knightwise> All classics ...
[11:26] <knightwise> we ended up listening to Maria Carrey, Nsync and One direction doing Carols yesterday.. Silly spotify
[11:26] <knightwise> Next up : Bing Crosby , Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald and Placido Domingo
[11:26] <sbutcher> neighbours dog barks more than any dog i've ever known
[11:26] <sbutcher> and they never tell it to shut up
[11:27] <zmoylan-pi> ultra sonic dog zapper.  use it when it barks
[11:28] <sbutcher> does it work through walls
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> not as well but yes.  use an open window might give better range, you'd have to experiment
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> there are android apps but their output is not as good as a hardware based device
[11:34] <popey> knightwise: http://knightwise.com/the-acer-c730-chromebook-first-impressions/ link at the bottom is probably wrong
[11:34] <popey> knightwise: i mentioned this the other day but I don't think you saw
[11:34] <popey> "https://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acer.co.uk%2Fac%2Fen%2FGB%2Fcontent%2Fprofessional-series%2Fchromebook11c730&ei=Q7eWVMu_NYXXOKq8gZgP&usg=AFQjCNGEhwU_DvyktMmQOgUeWUPD00d6Xw"
[11:34] <popey> you probably want a non-google link for that
[11:34]  * popey goes for lunch
[11:34] <knightwise> popey thanx ! Noted :)
[11:35] <knightwise> popey : link updated:)
[11:38] <sbutcher> amazon seem to be promoting amazon vine reviews ahead of anything
[11:39] <sbutcher> first 5 reviews are somebody who has received it for free and not always getting the point
[11:40] <sbutcher> mind you a lot of other reviews seem to judge based upon the speed of delivery :S
[11:40] <sbutcher> as if it was ebay
[11:50] <knightwise> I order at amazon.de
[11:50] <knightwise> they ship fast enoug but thats because I expect it by default
[11:52] <knightwise> ok , just hooked up the chromebook to a second (dual) screen
[11:54] <knightwise> works pretty well
[11:59] <knightwise> Perhaps I'll order a raspberry pie this week just to play with
[12:26] <NET||abuse> i'm just doing a tertiary look at how it's written, affinity groups are used int he module at the moment, but thye're getting rid of those for what they call resource-groups.. is this being tackled yet?
[12:27] <NET||abuse> sorry, wrong channel.
[13:17] <sbutcher> find myself working harder when working form home as if to prove myself
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> arranging meetings with the cat, giving presentations to the milkman... :-)
[13:22] <bigcalm> Any get_iplayer users in here?
[13:23] <bigcalm> Getting an error when trying to get a radio show but I don't understand how to work around it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9603557/
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> i use http://www.iplayerconverter.co.uk/r/4/aod/default.aspx a lot of their links are been changed and will no longer work as bbc moves stuff to a more locked down system i think
[13:25] <sbutcher> bigcalm: try youtube-dl
[13:26] <sbutcher> oh no, barking dog going crazy again
[13:26] <sbutcher> and my book asn't arrived yet for xmas :(
[13:27] <bigcalm> I did a git pull on my clone of get_iplayer and it's downloading stuff :)
[13:29] <bigcalm> This is how it should look :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/9603589/
[15:01] <NET||abuse> trying to make a snap decision on christmas present for both me and the missus,, a bose soundlink or a sonos, i've no other speaker setups at home, i'm wondering if it's worth getting hte sonos for the advanced feature set, rather than just the bose, a bluetooth/aux input basic speaker
[15:01] <NET||abuse> has anyone used it on linux?
[15:01] <NET||abuse> the sonos?
[15:02] <NET||abuse> we're a mostly android/linux house, the missus and I both have galaxy s4's, she is basically off her win8 laptop, and if it works out, she's going to be usiing the nexus9 with keyboard primarily, i'm on linux pretty much exclusively .
[15:42] <sbutcher> NET||abuse: wait till the sales?
[15:52] <NET||abuse> darnit, will that kind of stuff go on sale?
[15:55] <sbutcher> 26th
[15:55] <zmoylan-pi> everything is on sale, especially if new shiny is on the way
[16:09] <sbutcher> my son is singing little drummer boy to the voice of the octopus in the wiggles
[16:57] <shauno> well there's an odd one.  just how do you phone nasa JSC to tell them there's an issue without using the word 'problem'
[17:00] <diddledan> shauno, doesn't it usually go down something like "I think we've had a problem".. "say again 13." "Houston we've had a problem"
[17:01] <shauno> "hi gary" just doesn't have the same gravitas.
[17:42] <directhex> NET||abuse: BOSE is all marketing no substance
[17:42] <diddledan> directhex, do they not have much base?
[17:44] <directhex> diddledan: cheap parts (no different from a cheapy kitsound or something). audio reproduction is far from accurate across the audible range
[17:44] <sbutcher> all your bose are belong to us
[17:45] <diddledan> I'm all about that bose, that bose
[17:45] <directhex> you know how when you were a kid & got your hands on an equaliser for the first time? bose  has awful "let's just make it sound cool!" not "let's make it sound like the input"
[17:45] <directhex> typically lots of muddy bass & tweeting, no middle
[18:18] <NET||abuse> directhex: would you suggest sonos then instead?
[18:48] <directhex> NET||abuse: personally yes
[23:27] <diddledan> I should prolly go grab a bit of shuteye
[23:33] <shauno> why?
[23:33] <diddledan> been awake since 8am monday morning :-p
[23:34] <shauno> I'm not sure that becomes interesting until 8am tomorrow
[23:34] <ktechmidas> well, that got me absolutely nowhere
[23:34] <ktechmidas> Debian are breaking things again :(
[23:35] <diddledan> hint, check the channel you're in
[23:35] <shauno> you're right, I'll laugh at your amateur levels of sleep deprivation elsewhere :)
[23:35] <diddledan> shauno, not you
[23:35] <diddledan> shauno, the random debianite :-p
[23:36] <shauno> I'm even further off-topic, seems fair
[23:36] <ktechmidas> diddledan: I had a question I was getting to... if something is done in Debian for 'security' in Jessie, when is it likely to hit Ubuntu? 15.04?
[23:36] <diddledan> shauno, but I know you :-p
[23:36] <diddledan> shauno, family and friends first
[23:37] <shauno> if anyone asks, I'll strongly deny being either :)
[23:37] <diddledan> lol
[23:37] <shauno> (or having even heard of you.  I think that's the agreement)
[23:37]  * diddledan cuddles shauno 
[23:37] <diddledan> I know you like me really :-p
[23:38] <shauno> reminds me, I noticed another blast from the past sent me a message on 'hangouts'
[23:38] <diddledan> oh?
[23:38] <shauno> but it was from months ago and I never noticed, because google broke hangouts
[23:38] <diddledan> oops
[23:38] <shauno> so I'm not sure how to reply now
[23:38] <diddledan> that's annoying
[23:38] <shauno> I don't get why they can't just federate it like gchat
[23:39] <diddledan> do they not do that anymore?
[23:39] <shauno> the chat widget within gmail does, the chat widget within 'plus' doesn't
[23:40] <diddledan> well that's consistent
[23:41] <shauno> it is entirely consistent with the 'new' google.  the "don't be evil, unless it helps inflate g+'s numbers in any way or form" google
[23:46] <daftykins> that won't be an easily searched for title :D
[23:51] <diddledan> morning daftykins
[23:52] <daftykins> heya
[23:52] <daftykins> i might have an early night actually!