[00:15] <theblazehen_> Merry Christmas !
[04:02] <magespawn> good morning and merry christmas to all
[04:03] <gremble> Good morning and the same to you
[04:27] <magespawn> gremble do you have kids?
[04:29] <gremble> Oh god no. And I hope to never have them. These dogs had me up at 05:30. If that is any indication of how it would be to have kids I would rather skip on the occasion
[04:35] <magespawn> lol
[04:35] <magespawn> smart though, kids are a little more complex
[04:37] <gremble> Nope. My perfect housemate is a tarantula and a pretty girl that leaves in the morning
[04:38] <gremble> I got a Mexican Red knee yesterday. Brachypelma Smithi. Some couple odd months after my 17 year old Mexican Curly Hair died
[04:49] <magespawn> well that will keep a lot of girls that will keep away
[04:53] <gremble> :P
[04:53] <gremble> That and the fact that I like mathematics seems to thin out the crowd
[04:57] <magespawn> that changes as you get older, sometimes
[04:59] <magespawn> my kids got basic tablets for christmas so i am busy looking up how to keep them safe etc online
[04:59] <gremble> There is probably a bunch of android apps for that. 3G or wifi only?
[05:00] <magespawn> 3G
[05:01] <magespawn> i am sure there are, apparently you can only get a google account if you are over 13
[05:03] <gremble> It would be nice of you could edit the hosts file on the tablets :P 
[05:03] <magespawn> i have a google apps domain though that i can set them up with, just reading the T&C
[05:04] <magespawn> there are anti-virus/security apps that allow you to block adult content
[05:06] <gremble> I wanted books for christmas. I hope I get some
[05:06] <gremble> :<
[05:06] <magespawn> books are always good
[05:18] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn gremble magespawn and others
[05:18] <Kilos> merry Christmas to you all
[05:18] <Kilos> and you tumbleweed 
[05:19] <gremble> Good morning Kilos. Merry Christmas to you too
[05:19] <Kilos> and theblazehen_ 
[05:21] <gremble> Multitools are so nice, it is just a shame that they're so clunky.
[05:21] <gremble> I got a leatherman Wave while I was working in theatre and it is so nice to have around, but it is so heavy haha
[05:21] <Kilos> whats a multitool?
[05:22] <magespawn> like a swiss army knife Kilos, merry christmas
[05:22] <gremble> http://www.jazebra.com/images/product-shots/leatherman/leatherman-wave-01-800x600.jpg
[05:22] <Kilos> oh them ya i agree
[05:23] <Kilos> lol was just gonna say leatherman
[05:23] <Kilos> they not cheap either, but very handy to carry around
[05:23] <magespawn> gotta go find a plug, battery dying
[05:23] <Kilos> oi already
[05:25] <gremble> Ya, had it on my belt practically everyday for 4 years. Now it sits in my glovebox because I don't wear the right pants and I would look silly with it on my belt in a math class :P
[05:25] <Kilos> lol
[05:26] <Kilos> you need reinforced pockets too
[05:45] <bmg505> good morning
[05:48] <Kilos> hi there bmg505 
[05:48] <bmg505> I have warn a multi tool for the past 25 years and for the last 5 a torch as well. My kit is strapped to my moonbag/fannybag which carries my model 20 Glock, so I do not really care about looks
[05:48] <Kilos> lol
[05:48] <bmg505> grrr *wprn
[05:48] <bmg505> ffs worn
[05:48] <bmg505> going back to bed
[05:56] <Kilos> sleep tight
[05:56] <Kilos> hehe
[05:57] <magespawn> lol
[05:57] <magespawn> bmg505: showing your age there lol
[06:00] <Kilos> hahaha was thinking the same thing
[06:01] <nlsthzn> merry xmas all
[06:15] <Kilos> christmas lunch of dates and camel steaks
[06:15] <Kilos> dont get fat nlsthzn 
[06:15]  * Kilos ducks
[06:17] <nlsthzn> :)
[06:17] <nlsthzn> nope only good old south african food today :p
[06:23] <Kilos> yay
[09:29] <magespawn> Kilos: what are you doing today? fanily coming over
[09:30] <Kilos> nope im all alone magespawn sis gone to namibia to her dughter for a month
[09:31] <Kilos> and ian got his mom there in rustenburg for kinda last christmas for a long time
[09:31] <Kilos> then she goes to the uk
[09:32] <Kilos> so major peace and quiet here
[09:34] <Kilos> but they all been on pidgin and whatsapp
[09:51] <magespawn> well piece and quite is good
[09:51] <Kilos> lol ya
[09:51] <Kilos> im washing carpets
[10:04] <bmg505> I am not that old, in a weeks time I'm kinda old
[10:05] <bmg505> I fixed the darn roof this morning, had a waterfall leak and we discovered it in yesterday's storm :(
[10:08] <Kilos> ai!
[10:09] <Kilos> hahaha so in a weeks time you are how old bmg505 ?
[10:51] <magespawn> later all family calls
[11:16] <charl> good afternoon
[11:16] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:16]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[11:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:21] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:21] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:21] <charl> Maaz: danke
[11:21] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[12:03] <charl> merry christmas !!
[13:44] <Kilos> ty, you too
[16:06] <Kilos> wb gremble 
[16:10] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[16:10] <gremble> Did you have a nice christmas dinner?
[16:17] <Kilos> lol i pigged out again on watermelon
[16:18] <Kilos> and some baked apples
[16:19] <Kilos> and you?
[16:38] <Kilos> oh and curry for supper
[17:24] <gremble> Braaied for the family
[17:26] <Kilos> good man
[17:26] <Kilos> im too lazy to braai for me
[17:27] <Kilos> slept most of the avy
[17:56] <Kilos> aw missed him
[18:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:01] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:01] <Kilos> me not all , me Kilos
[18:02] <magespawn> hah
[18:02] <magespawn> good evening Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> haha
[18:11] <magespawn> brb just going to switch machines
[18:27] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[18:27] <magespawn> ty 
[18:28] <gremble> Salut
[18:32] <magespawn> hi gremble 
[18:37] <Kilos> cocooncrash_: tumbleweed compliments of the season to you
[18:37] <tumbleweed> Kilos: you too
[18:52] <gremble> Anyone know where I can get information on the various F/OSS licences in English. My brain is not prepared to deal with the lawyer speak
[18:56] <gremble> :/ Found out what I want. GPL prevents me from using the library in a non-gpl work :/
[18:56] <gremble> I don't think I am a fan
[18:57] <theblazehen_> gremble: yeah, I prefer the BSD licence. LGPL will let you
[18:58] <gremble> I like MIT
[18:58] <gremble> The library I want is GPLv3
[18:58] <theblazehen_> ah. TL;DR?
[18:59] <gremble> https://tldrlegal.com/license/mit-license
[18:59] <theblazehen_> TIL, ty
[18:59] <gremble> MIT license propagates I think while the BSD doesn't
[19:00] <theblazehen_> ah
[19:00] <gremble> Can't sell my MIT work, but you can sell the BSD work
[19:01] <gremble> Or w/e
[19:01] <gremble> Now I have to decide.. Code a natural language processor or go eat apple pie and ferment
[19:01] <gremble> :/
[19:02] <smile> hi :D
[19:02] <charl> good evening
[19:02] <charl> hi smile 
[19:03] <gremble> Hey smile 
[19:03] <gremble> Hey charl 
[19:03] <charl> hi gremble 
[19:03] <charl> how are you this evening
[19:03] <smile> hi charl and gremble :)
[19:03] <smile> 'n geseende kersfees, charl ;)
[19:03] <gremble> I am well thanks and yourself?
[19:03] <charl> prettige feestdagen smile !
[19:03] <charl> gremble: good, good!
[19:04] <smile> dankie :)
[19:04] <charl> it's christmas after all :P
[19:04] <smile> my shoulder does not care, charl :p still hurts :P
[19:04] <charl> how so? something happened?
[19:04] <smile> I fell onto the tram rails two weeks ago
[19:05] <charl> oh no!! were you cycling?
[19:05] <smile> I was :P
[19:05] <charl> ah metal... it's hard :(
[19:05] <smile> and it was wet because it had just rained :p
[19:05] <gremble> Did the tram drive over you?
[19:05] <charl> yes and it was raining cats and dogs the last two weeks ...
[19:05] <gremble> It would be a shame if your dead now
[19:05] <smile> gremble: no, because I was on the other side :) but I saw the tram pretty close
[19:06] <gremble> How terrifying would it not be if it actually did start raining cats and dogs
[19:06] <charl> yeah slipping and falling can happen to easy when you're on the bicycle
[19:06] <Kilos> hi smile
[19:06] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[19:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:07] <smile> I'm not dead yet, Kilos 
[19:07] <Kilos> where you been lad?
[19:07] <smile> on the ground on the tram rails :P
[19:07] <Kilos> for so long
[19:07] <Kilos> whenm last were you here?
[19:07] <Kilos> grrr
[19:08] <smile> well actually I have some free days to study :P
[19:08] <smile> so no vakantie :(
[19:08] <smile> stupid exams :p
[19:08] <Kilos> oh well thats life so give it your best
[19:08] <smile> I am not at my best, so I can not give my best :P
[19:09] <Kilos> you sick?
[19:09] <Kilos> you chase too many girls man
[19:09] <smile> Kilos: I only have one :D
[19:09] <smile> me hurts everywhere :p
[19:09] <Kilos> the same one still?
[19:09] <smile> yeah ;)
[19:09] <Kilos> good
[19:09] <smile> big fish :P
[19:10] <Kilos> hehehe
[19:10] <charl> nice girls are precious, look after her :)
[19:10] <smile> yeah :)
[19:10] <smile> the only thing that bothers me is slowness :p
[19:11] <smile> in everything :P
[19:11] <Kilos> slowness in what
[19:11] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <smile> ;)
[19:11] <charl> het regent oude wijven
[19:11] <smile> getting ready, etc
[19:11] <Kilos> you want to get old too quick man
[19:11] <charl> that was the expression i was looking for
[19:11] <charl> real belgian expression :P
[19:12] <smile> het regent dat het giet :P
[19:15] <smile> so what have you been up to, Kilos ? :)
[19:15] <Kilos> um
[19:15] <Kilos> breaking things as usual 
[19:15] <Kilos> zeroed the wrong drive
[19:15] <theblazehen_> Kilos: ouch
[19:15] <charl> hi theblazehen_ :)
[19:15] <theblazehen_> hey charl!
[19:15] <Kilos> ya very
[19:17] <Kilos> oh and we got re-verified as an official ubuntu loco again
[19:17] <smile> nice ;)
[19:18] <smile> Kilos: that's with dd? :(
[19:18] <Kilos> in the new year i am going to try become a member
[19:18] <Kilos> ya that dd thing
[19:18] <smile> :/
[19:18] <smile> that hurts :(
[19:19] <Kilos> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
[19:19] <Kilos> i struggled with recovering because drive is too big
[19:20] <theblazehen_> Kilos: you won't get anything...
[19:20] <Kilos> recovered 74500 files but most are numbered files
[19:20] <smile> Kilos: that sucks :(
[19:21] <Kilos> lol it will teach me to concentrate next time
[19:21] <Kilos> and im starting to revive my blog that i deleted
[19:21] <smile> Kilos: :D
[19:22] <smile> nice
[19:22] <Kilos> what have you been doing
[19:23] <smile> programming on WikiList, fixing Wikipedia up (reached zero dead reported links), random stuff, clean up my bookmarks (not fully done), learning for school and keeping my friends & girlfriend happy
[19:23] <Kilos> lol
[19:24] <theblazehen_> smile: lotsa work...
[19:24] <smile> meanwhile bash programming, torios documentation fixes, updating & fixing my manjaro system :D
[19:24] <Kilos> make studies a priority
[19:24] <smile> Kilos: never
[19:24] <smile> :p
[19:24] <Kilos> you must man its your whole future
[19:24] <smile> I learned to do github pull requests :D
[19:24] <smile> and merges :D
[19:25] <Kilos> i forget now, how good is your python?
[19:25] <smile> non existing :p
[19:25] <Kilos> ai!
[19:25] <smile> I don't eat snakes
[19:25] <smile> :p
[19:25] <Kilos> have you met gremble 
[19:26] <Kilos> he is our maths boff
[19:26] <theblazehen_> smile: you try rust?
[19:26] <smile> theblazehen_: I'm following it :) http://phoronix.com ;)
[19:26] <theblazehen_> smile: nice
[19:26] <smile> Kilos: I have met him in a second :p
[19:27] <smile> theblazehen_: do you use a feed aggregator like http://theoldreader.com ? :p
[19:27] <Kilos> in a second?
[19:27] <theblazehen_> smile: not yet. Any recommendation for a self hosted one?
[19:27] <smile> a moment ago, I mean, Kilos 
[19:27] <Kilos> oh i missed that
[19:28] <smile> theblazehen_: yeah, sure. lemme have a look, I buried an interesting article about that somewhere in my bookmarks :)
[19:28] <theblazehen_> smile: thanks :)
[19:29] <Kilos> theblazehen_: you two are about the same age
[19:29] <smile> theblazehen_: this is a lot like theoldreader.com, which I use: http://lifehacker.com/5992404/how-to-build-your-own-syncing-rss-reader-with-tiny-tiny-rss-and-kick-google-reader-to-the-curb
[19:29] <theblazehen_> Kilos: me and smile?
[19:29] <theblazehen_> smile: ty
[19:29] <Kilos> yeah
[19:29] <smile> 19 :D
[19:30] <smile> and a half :D
[19:30] <Kilos> hehehe
[19:30] <theblazehen_> ah
[19:30] <smile> are you coming over to Belgium? ;)
[19:31] <theblazehen_> smile: doubt it?
[19:31] <smile> free wifi @ my house :P
[19:31] <smile> ;)
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <gremble> Right, everyone, party at smile's place
[19:32] <Kilos> theblazehen_: has good internet
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <gremble> It is only a 177h drive I think
[19:32] <gremble> We can take turns
[19:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:32] <theblazehen_> hah
[19:32] <Kilos> its too far man
[19:32] <theblazehen_> I'll just wait for telkom...
[19:33] <gremble> pish-posh. Who doesn't like a roadtrip through the centre of Africa?
[19:33] <smile> let's prove it :) over my 5GHz wifi: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4011057095 (up sucks, down is good :D )
[19:33] <charl> nonono
[19:33] <theblazehen_> smile: nice..
[19:33] <charl> only 30mbps?!
[19:33] <gremble> That is pretty nice
[19:33] <smile> that signal comes over copper to my house ;) (5 km)
[19:33]  * theblazehen_ is considering joining a WUG..
[19:34] <Kilos> thats good
[19:34] <gremble> Speedtest uses flash
[19:34] <charl> smile: are you still on dsl?
[19:34] <gremble> I don't install crapware D:
[19:34] <theblazehen_> gremble: yeah
[19:34] <theblazehen_> I wget the cachefly test files to test
[19:34] <theblazehen_> but wont test up :/
[19:34] <charl> i can't use speed test either, no flash here too
[19:34] <smile> charl: yes :) on a cheap plan :D
[19:34] <smile> gremble: okay, let's install gnash ;)
[19:34] <charl> smile: ah yeah dsl is slow :( i'm still on cable but am waiting for ftth
[19:34] <Kilos> theblazehen_: ptawug are helpful, but the hardware is over 1.5k
[19:35] <theblazehen_> Kilos: yeah :/
[19:35] <smile> charl: :) maybe in 2015
[19:35] <theblazehen_> And my Line of sight kinda sucks..
[19:35] <theblazehen_> Need stuff for a tower :(
[19:35] <smile> theblazehen_: get new lenses ;)
[19:35] <Kilos> eish same as me
[19:35] <charl> smile: perhaps... i live in city central and will probably be last of all to get ftth
[19:35] <theblazehen_> smile: haaa... haa..
[19:36] <smile> satellites are good for a line of sight, too ;)
[19:36] <theblazehen_> smile: that ping though
[19:36] <smile> charl: :(
[19:36] <smile> theblazehen_: true fact
[19:37] <smile> This year I started of with Manjaro Linux, Xfce edition :p Now I'm running Manjaro Linux with Openbox :D
[19:37] <theblazehen_> smile: now switch to antergos :)
[19:37] <theblazehen_> Or plain arch
[19:37] <gremble> ^
[19:37] <gremble> Arch with i3 or openbox
[19:37] <gremble> <3
[19:37]  * theblazehen_ is on i3 right now
[19:38]  * gremble notices that we are in an ubuntu sub
[19:38] <smile> plain arch would be cool, but I don't have the time to change again :)
[19:38] <charl> does arch have an installer yet?
[19:38] <theblazehen_> I don't like the multi monitor support :(
[19:38] <gremble> There are some installer scripts smile 
[19:38] <theblazehen_> smile: I can do it in an hour with the packages needed on a NAS
[19:38] <gremble> But there will never be an official one
[19:38] <theblazehen_> gremble: there used to be..
[19:38] <charl> arch is very spartan to me
[19:38] <smile> gremble: unmaintained
[19:39] <theblazehen_> charl: Have you tried it?
[19:39] <charl> theblazehen_: i have...
[19:39] <smile> gremble: what? ubuntu? ;)
[19:39] <theblazehen_> ah
[19:39] <charl> arch: "this is sparta !!!!!" :D
[19:39] <theblazehen_> lol
[19:39] <theblazehen_> I find it way easier than ubuntu etc
[19:40] <smile> I need many development packages so it takes a while, theblazehen_ :p Android SDK & tools takes an hour already :o
[19:40] <theblazehen_> smile: yeah.. But that's in the AUR
[19:40] <smile> (or not) :p
[19:40] <theblazehen_> maybe do it in a chroot, then get it running for real once it works well in a chroot?
[19:41] <smile> Viewnior is really cool ;) I can build it faster than fetch it from the internet :P
[19:41] <theblazehen_> smile: TL;DR?
[19:41] <smile> theblazehen_: maybe :)
[19:41] <smile> theblazehen_: I mean, Viewnior builds fast
[19:41] <smile> that's an image viewer written in plain C
[19:41] <theblazehen_> ah
[19:42] <gremble> Gimp can save images as C headers
[19:42] <gremble> :o
[19:42] <theblazehen_> linux builds slow..
[19:42] <smile> :o :o :o
[19:42] <theblazehen_> gremble: I saw
[19:42] <smile> theblazehen_: yes, that are you gonna do about it? :o:
[19:42] <smile> :o
[19:42] <smile> * what
[19:42] <theblazehen_> smile: I did it before, like 2 years ago.. Fuck GMA3600
[19:42] <smile> fuck core i7 4700mq :P
[19:43] <theblazehen_> And fuck a netbook with 2 GB of RAM, GMA3600, 5400 RPM as a main pc
[19:43] <theblazehen_> 1.6 GHz atom
[19:43] <theblazehen_> smile: How bad?
[19:43] <smile> theblazehen_: over an hour :(
[19:43] <gremble> BSD is not much faster
[19:43] <smile> I compiled LibreOffice once.. three hours :o
[19:43] <theblazehen_> smile: hah.. I start before I go to bed, depending on how long i sleep, may be done in the morning
[19:44] <charl> compiling is bad enough but then you start with dependencies
[19:44] <smile> charl: ;)
[19:44] <theblazehen_> charl: yeah...
[19:44] <theblazehen_> Some games in the AUR :(
[19:44] <charl> that was what really got to me, those dependencies
[19:44] <gremble> Dem circular dependecies
[19:44] <charl> and dependencies of dependencies
[19:44] <theblazehen_> Also: Never go full gentoo
[19:44] <smile> theblazehen_: FlightGear segfaults :(
[19:44] <theblazehen_> smile: gentoo?
[19:44] <smile> aur ;)
[19:45] <theblazehen_> it's in community or extra I thought?
[19:45] <theblazehen_> In one of the main repos
[19:45] <theblazehen_> or was it a -git?
[19:45] <smile> Stable I think.. 
[19:45]  * smile fires up pacman
[19:45] <theblazehen_> ah
[19:46] <smile> community :)
[19:46] <theblazehen_> nailed it!
[19:46] <smile> yeah :p
[19:46] <smile> I run open source Intel, maybe because of that
[19:46] <theblazehen_> me too. 
[19:46] <smile> I have no nvidia drivers installed in a move to keep my power needs low :p
[19:47] <theblazehen_> busy loading it up here now
[19:47] <theblazehen_> how long can it load on a SSD?
[19:47] <smile> hours :p if the SSD is almost dead
[19:47] <smile> ;)
[19:47] <theblazehen_> runs here fine
[19:48] <theblazehen_> HD5600
[19:48] <theblazehen_> 4600*
[19:48] <smile> HD4600 too :p
[19:49] <smile> I didn't upgrade mesa/xorg yet
[19:49] <smile> Too risky in exam period ;)
[19:49] <theblazehen_> ah
[19:49] <smile> I fucked it up once ;)
[19:49] <smile> And I need mono 3.4
[19:50] <theblazehen_> What's the worst a -Syu can do? ;)
[19:50] <smile> nothing.
[19:50] <smile> that's the worst :p
[19:50] <smile> when there are no updates ;)
[19:50] <theblazehen_> I didn't -Syu last 2 days yet :(
[19:51] <gremble> You're not supposed to update daily >.>
[19:51] <gremble> Laptops are incredibly expensive :/ 
[19:52] <smile> gremble: that's why he does it 2-daily ;)
[19:52] <theblazehen_> gremble: you're not?
[19:52] <theblazehen_> haha yeah smile!
[19:52] <gremble> I update once every week, sometimes every second week
[19:53] <gremble> That way, if they break something they have time to fix it before I get it
[19:53] <theblazehen_> gremble: Get on my level!
[19:53] <theblazehen_> lol
[19:53] <theblazehen_> They do!
[19:53] <theblazehen_> Just don't use [testing]
[19:53] <gremble> :P
[19:55] <theblazehen_> I don't like how wine handles games :(
[19:57] <smile> wine generally sucks :p
[19:58] <theblazehen_> Much better than putting a windows partition on disk
[19:58] <smile> windirstat, pazera free audio extractor and office 2007 run on it :p but paint doesn't :(
[19:58] <theblazehen_> only 64 GB space total
[19:58] <smile> I want paint! :D
[19:58] <theblazehen_> smile: mtPaint
[19:58] <smile> no
[19:58] <smile> :p
[19:58] <theblazehen_> also: ncdu
[19:58] <smile> I know ncdu :p
[19:58] <theblazehen_> smile: which paint? The new or old one?
[19:58] <smile> doesnt matter :p paint is paint :p
[19:59] <smile> pinta is very close, but has major bugs
[19:59] <theblazehen_> yeah, I get that. 
[19:59] <theblazehen_> Looking for something like paint.net
[19:59] <gremble> Windows 8.1 doesn't have paint
[19:59] <gremble> Or not that I could find
[19:59] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:59] <theblazehen_> it doesn't?!
[19:59] <theblazehen_> night Kilos
[19:59] <gremble> night Kilos 
[20:00] <smile> WIN+R => mspaint => run :D
[20:00] <smile> ;)
[20:00] <smile> night Kilos 
[20:00] <smile> I use GIMP for my occasional crop needs :p but drawing rectangles the easy way would be nice.
[20:00] <gremble> inkscape 
[20:00] <gremble> :P
[20:00] <theblazehen_> smile: I thought it had paint, then I thought I must be going crazy or something..
[20:00] <smile> I use that too, but inkscape for simple art is overkil :p
[20:01] <smile> mspaint is the way to run it :)
[20:01] <theblazehen_> smile: Always do that. winword too
[20:01] <smile> ;)
[20:01] <smile> mspaint is even available on windows rt
[20:02] <theblazehen_> smile: that reminded me of the story why pinball isn't available on 64 bit..
[20:02] <smile> because Microsoft programmers suck at it :P
[20:02] <smile> ;)
[20:02] <gremble> At paintball or 64bit?
[20:02] <gremble> pinball*
[20:02] <smile> both :D
[20:03] <gremble> I don't know if we can evaluate their paintball abilities 
[20:03] <smile> I'm leaving :) good night ;)
[20:03] <gremble> Cheers smile 
[20:03] <charl> night sim
[20:04] <charl> *smile :)
[20:04] <theblazehen_> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2012/12/18/10378851.aspx here we go!
[20:04] <charl> i'm off too
[20:04] <charl> have a good evening all
[20:06] <gremble> toodle-doo
[20:35]  * inetpro *