[00:15] Merry Christmas ! [04:02] good morning and merry christmas to all [04:03] Good morning and the same to you [04:27] gremble do you have kids? [04:29] Oh god no. And I hope to never have them. These dogs had me up at 05:30. If that is any indication of how it would be to have kids I would rather skip on the occasion [04:35] lol [04:35] smart though, kids are a little more complex [04:37] Nope. My perfect housemate is a tarantula and a pretty girl that leaves in the morning [04:38] I got a Mexican Red knee yesterday. Brachypelma Smithi. Some couple odd months after my 17 year old Mexican Curly Hair died [04:49] well that will keep a lot of girls that will keep away [04:53] :P [04:53] That and the fact that I like mathematics seems to thin out the crowd [04:57] that changes as you get older, sometimes [04:59] my kids got basic tablets for christmas so i am busy looking up how to keep them safe etc online [04:59] There is probably a bunch of android apps for that. 3G or wifi only? [05:00] 3G [05:01] i am sure there are, apparently you can only get a google account if you are over 13 [05:03] It would be nice of you could edit the hosts file on the tablets :P [05:03] i have a google apps domain though that i can set them up with, just reading the T&C [05:04] there are anti-virus/security apps that allow you to block adult content [05:06] I wanted books for christmas. I hope I get some [05:06] :< [05:06] books are always good [05:18] morning nlsthzn gremble magespawn and others [05:18] merry Christmas to you all [05:18] and you tumbleweed [05:19] Good morning Kilos. Merry Christmas to you too [05:19] and theblazehen_ [05:21] Multitools are so nice, it is just a shame that they're so clunky. [05:21] I got a leatherman Wave while I was working in theatre and it is so nice to have around, but it is so heavy haha [05:21] whats a multitool? [05:22] like a swiss army knife Kilos, merry christmas [05:22] http://www.jazebra.com/images/product-shots/leatherman/leatherman-wave-01-800x600.jpg [05:22] oh them ya i agree [05:23] lol was just gonna say leatherman [05:23] they not cheap either, but very handy to carry around [05:23] gotta go find a plug, battery dying [05:23] oi already [05:25] Ya, had it on my belt practically everyday for 4 years. Now it sits in my glovebox because I don't wear the right pants and I would look silly with it on my belt in a math class :P [05:25] lol [05:26] you need reinforced pockets too [05:45] good morning [05:48] hi there bmg505 [05:48] I have warn a multi tool for the past 25 years and for the last 5 a torch as well. My kit is strapped to my moonbag/fannybag which carries my model 20 Glock, so I do not really care about looks [05:48] lol [05:48] grrr *wprn [05:48] ffs worn [05:48] going back to bed [05:56] sleep tight [05:56] hehe [05:57] lol [05:57] bmg505: showing your age there lol [06:00] hahaha was thinking the same thing [06:01] merry xmas all [06:15] christmas lunch of dates and camel steaks [06:15] dont get fat nlsthzn [06:15] * Kilos ducks [06:17] :) [06:17] nope only good old south african food today :p [06:23] yay [09:29] Kilos: what are you doing today? fanily coming over [09:30] nope im all alone magespawn sis gone to namibia to her dughter for a month [09:31] and ian got his mom there in rustenburg for kinda last christmas for a long time [09:31] then she goes to the uk [09:32] so major peace and quiet here [09:34] but they all been on pidgin and whatsapp [09:51] well piece and quite is good [09:51] lol ya [09:51] im washing carpets [10:04] I am not that old, in a weeks time I'm kinda old [10:05] I fixed the darn roof this morning, had a waterfall leak and we discovered it in yesterday's storm :( [10:08] ai! [10:09] hahaha so in a weeks time you are how old bmg505 ? [10:51] later all family calls [11:16] good afternoon [11:16] Maaz: coffee on [11:16] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [11:20] Coffee's ready for charl! [11:21] hi charl [11:21] hi Kilos [11:21] Maaz: danke [11:21] Bitteschön [12:03] merry christmas !! [13:44] ty, you too [16:06] wb gremble [16:10] Hey Kilos [16:10] Did you have a nice christmas dinner? [16:17] lol i pigged out again on watermelon [16:18] and some baked apples [16:19] and you? [16:38] oh and curry for supper [17:24] Braaied for the family [17:26] good man [17:26] im too lazy to braai for me [17:27] slept most of the avy [17:56] aw missed him [18:01] hi magespawn [18:01] good evening all [18:01] me not all , me Kilos [18:02] hah [18:02] good evening Kilos [18:02] haha [18:11] brb just going to switch machines [18:27] wb magespawn [18:27] ty [18:28] Salut [18:32] hi gremble [18:37] cocooncrash_: tumbleweed compliments of the season to you [18:37] Kilos: you too [18:52] Anyone know where I can get information on the various F/OSS licences in English. My brain is not prepared to deal with the lawyer speak [18:56] :/ Found out what I want. GPL prevents me from using the library in a non-gpl work :/ [18:56] I don't think I am a fan [18:57] gremble: yeah, I prefer the BSD licence. LGPL will let you [18:58] I like MIT [18:58] The library I want is GPLv3 [18:58] ah. TL;DR? [18:59] https://tldrlegal.com/license/mit-license [18:59] TIL, ty [18:59] MIT license propagates I think while the BSD doesn't [19:00] ah [19:00] Can't sell my MIT work, but you can sell the BSD work [19:01] Or w/e [19:01] Now I have to decide.. Code a natural language processor or go eat apple pie and ferment [19:01] :/ [19:02] hi :D [19:02] good evening [19:02] hi smile [19:03] Hey smile [19:03] Hey charl [19:03] hi gremble [19:03] how are you this evening [19:03] hi charl and gremble :) [19:03] 'n geseende kersfees, charl ;) [19:03] I am well thanks and yourself? [19:03] prettige feestdagen smile ! [19:03] gremble: good, good! [19:04] dankie :) [19:04] it's christmas after all :P [19:04] my shoulder does not care, charl :p still hurts :P [19:04] how so? something happened? [19:04] I fell onto the tram rails two weeks ago [19:05] oh no!! were you cycling? [19:05] I was :P [19:05] ah metal... it's hard :( [19:05] and it was wet because it had just rained :p [19:05] Did the tram drive over you? [19:05] yes and it was raining cats and dogs the last two weeks ... [19:05] It would be a shame if your dead now [19:05] gremble: no, because I was on the other side :) but I saw the tram pretty close [19:06] How terrifying would it not be if it actually did start raining cats and dogs [19:06] yeah slipping and falling can happen to easy when you're on the bicycle [19:06] hi smile [19:06] hi Kilos :p [19:06] hahaha [19:07] I'm not dead yet, Kilos [19:07] where you been lad? [19:07] on the ground on the tram rails :P [19:07] for so long [19:07] whenm last were you here? [19:07] grrr [19:08] well actually I have some free days to study :P [19:08] so no vakantie :( [19:08] stupid exams :p [19:08] oh well thats life so give it your best [19:08] I am not at my best, so I can not give my best :P [19:09] you sick? [19:09] you chase too many girls man [19:09] Kilos: I only have one :D [19:09] me hurts everywhere :p [19:09] the same one still? [19:09] yeah ;) [19:09] good [19:09] big fish :P [19:10] hehehe [19:10] nice girls are precious, look after her :) [19:10] yeah :) [19:10] the only thing that bothers me is slowness :p [19:11] in everything :P [19:11] slowness in what [19:11] lol [19:11] ;) [19:11] het regent oude wijven [19:11] getting ready, etc [19:11] you want to get old too quick man [19:11] that was the expression i was looking for [19:11] real belgian expression :P [19:12] het regent dat het giet :P [19:15] so what have you been up to, Kilos ? :) [19:15] um [19:15] breaking things as usual [19:15] zeroed the wrong drive [19:15] Kilos: ouch [19:15] hi theblazehen_ :) [19:15] hey charl! [19:15] ya very [19:17] oh and we got re-verified as an official ubuntu loco again [19:17] nice ;) [19:18] Kilos: that's with dd? :( [19:18] in the new year i am going to try become a member [19:18] ya that dd thing [19:18] :/ [19:18] that hurts :( [19:19] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 [19:19] i struggled with recovering because drive is too big [19:20] Kilos: you won't get anything... [19:20] recovered 74500 files but most are numbered files [19:20] Kilos: that sucks :( [19:21] lol it will teach me to concentrate next time [19:21] and im starting to revive my blog that i deleted [19:21] Kilos: :D [19:22] nice [19:22] what have you been doing [19:23] programming on WikiList, fixing Wikipedia up (reached zero dead reported links), random stuff, clean up my bookmarks (not fully done), learning for school and keeping my friends & girlfriend happy [19:23] lol [19:24] smile: lotsa work... [19:24] meanwhile bash programming, torios documentation fixes, updating & fixing my manjaro system :D [19:24] make studies a priority [19:24] Kilos: never [19:24] :p [19:24] you must man its your whole future [19:24] I learned to do github pull requests :D [19:24] and merges :D [19:25] i forget now, how good is your python? [19:25] non existing :p [19:25] ai! [19:25] I don't eat snakes [19:25] :p [19:25] have you met gremble [19:26] he is our maths boff [19:26] smile: you try rust? [19:26] theblazehen_: I'm following it :) http://phoronix.com ;) [19:26] smile: nice [19:26] Kilos: I have met him in a second :p [19:27] theblazehen_: do you use a feed aggregator like http://theoldreader.com ? :p [19:27] in a second? [19:27] smile: not yet. Any recommendation for a self hosted one? [19:27] a moment ago, I mean, Kilos [19:27] oh i missed that [19:28] theblazehen_: yeah, sure. lemme have a look, I buried an interesting article about that somewhere in my bookmarks :) [19:28] smile: thanks :) [19:29] theblazehen_: you two are about the same age [19:29] theblazehen_: this is a lot like theoldreader.com, which I use: http://lifehacker.com/5992404/how-to-build-your-own-syncing-rss-reader-with-tiny-tiny-rss-and-kick-google-reader-to-the-curb [19:29] Kilos: me and smile? [19:29] smile: ty [19:29] yeah [19:29] 19 :D [19:30] and a half :D [19:30] hehehe [19:30] ah [19:30] are you coming over to Belgium? ;) [19:31] smile: doubt it? [19:31] free wifi @ my house :P [19:31] ;) [19:31] lol [19:32] Right, everyone, party at smile's place [19:32] theblazehen_: has good internet [19:32] lol [19:32] It is only a 177h drive I think [19:32] We can take turns [19:32] hahaha [19:32] hah [19:32] its too far man [19:32] I'll just wait for telkom... [19:33] pish-posh. Who doesn't like a roadtrip through the centre of Africa? [19:33] let's prove it :) over my 5GHz wifi: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4011057095 (up sucks, down is good :D ) [19:33] nonono [19:33] smile: nice.. [19:33] only 30mbps?! [19:33] That is pretty nice [19:33] that signal comes over copper to my house ;) (5 km) [19:33] * theblazehen_ is considering joining a WUG.. [19:34] thats good [19:34] Speedtest uses flash [19:34] smile: are you still on dsl? [19:34] I don't install crapware D: [19:34] gremble: yeah [19:34] I wget the cachefly test files to test [19:34] but wont test up :/ [19:34] i can't use speed test either, no flash here too [19:34] charl: yes :) on a cheap plan :D [19:34] gremble: okay, let's install gnash ;) [19:34] smile: ah yeah dsl is slow :( i'm still on cable but am waiting for ftth [19:34] theblazehen_: ptawug are helpful, but the hardware is over 1.5k [19:35] Kilos: yeah :/ [19:35] charl: :) maybe in 2015 [19:35] And my Line of sight kinda sucks.. [19:35] Need stuff for a tower :( [19:35] theblazehen_: get new lenses ;) [19:35] eish same as me [19:35] smile: perhaps... i live in city central and will probably be last of all to get ftth [19:35] smile: haaa... haa.. [19:36] satellites are good for a line of sight, too ;) [19:36] smile: that ping though [19:36] charl: :( [19:36] theblazehen_: true fact [19:37] This year I started of with Manjaro Linux, Xfce edition :p Now I'm running Manjaro Linux with Openbox :D [19:37] smile: now switch to antergos :) [19:37] Or plain arch [19:37] ^ [19:37] Arch with i3 or openbox [19:37] <3 [19:37] * theblazehen_ is on i3 right now [19:38] * gremble notices that we are in an ubuntu sub [19:38] plain arch would be cool, but I don't have the time to change again :) [19:38] does arch have an installer yet? [19:38] I don't like the multi monitor support :( [19:38] There are some installer scripts smile [19:38] smile: I can do it in an hour with the packages needed on a NAS [19:38] But there will never be an official one [19:38] gremble: there used to be.. [19:38] arch is very spartan to me [19:38] gremble: unmaintained [19:39] charl: Have you tried it? [19:39] theblazehen_: i have... [19:39] gremble: what? ubuntu? ;) [19:39] ah [19:39] arch: "this is sparta !!!!!" :D [19:39] lol [19:39] I find it way easier than ubuntu etc [19:40] I need many development packages so it takes a while, theblazehen_ :p Android SDK & tools takes an hour already :o [19:40] smile: yeah.. But that's in the AUR [19:40] (or not) :p [19:40] maybe do it in a chroot, then get it running for real once it works well in a chroot? [19:41] Viewnior is really cool ;) I can build it faster than fetch it from the internet :P [19:41] smile: TL;DR? [19:41] theblazehen_: maybe :) [19:41] theblazehen_: I mean, Viewnior builds fast [19:41] that's an image viewer written in plain C [19:41] ah [19:42] Gimp can save images as C headers [19:42] :o [19:42] linux builds slow.. [19:42] :o :o :o [19:42] gremble: I saw [19:42] theblazehen_: yes, that are you gonna do about it? :o: [19:42] :o [19:42] * what [19:42] smile: I did it before, like 2 years ago.. Fuck GMA3600 [19:42] fuck core i7 4700mq :P [19:43] And fuck a netbook with 2 GB of RAM, GMA3600, 5400 RPM as a main pc [19:43] 1.6 GHz atom [19:43] smile: How bad? [19:43] theblazehen_: over an hour :( [19:43] BSD is not much faster [19:43] I compiled LibreOffice once.. three hours :o [19:43] smile: hah.. I start before I go to bed, depending on how long i sleep, may be done in the morning [19:44] compiling is bad enough but then you start with dependencies [19:44] charl: ;) [19:44] charl: yeah... [19:44] Some games in the AUR :( [19:44] that was what really got to me, those dependencies [19:44] Dem circular dependecies [19:44] and dependencies of dependencies [19:44] Also: Never go full gentoo [19:44] theblazehen_: FlightGear segfaults :( [19:44] smile: gentoo? [19:44] aur ;) [19:45] it's in community or extra I thought? [19:45] In one of the main repos [19:45] or was it a -git? [19:45] Stable I think.. [19:45] * smile fires up pacman [19:45] ah [19:46] community :) [19:46] nailed it! [19:46] yeah :p [19:46] I run open source Intel, maybe because of that [19:46] me too. [19:46] I have no nvidia drivers installed in a move to keep my power needs low :p [19:47] busy loading it up here now [19:47] how long can it load on a SSD? [19:47] hours :p if the SSD is almost dead [19:47] ;) [19:47] runs here fine [19:48] HD5600 [19:48] 4600* [19:48] HD4600 too :p [19:49] I didn't upgrade mesa/xorg yet [19:49] Too risky in exam period ;) [19:49] ah [19:49] I fucked it up once ;) [19:49] And I need mono 3.4 [19:50] What's the worst a -Syu can do? ;) [19:50] nothing. [19:50] that's the worst :p [19:50] when there are no updates ;) [19:50] I didn't -Syu last 2 days yet :( [19:51] You're not supposed to update daily >.> [19:51] Laptops are incredibly expensive :/ [19:52] gremble: that's why he does it 2-daily ;) [19:52] gremble: you're not? [19:52] haha yeah smile! [19:52] I update once every week, sometimes every second week [19:53] That way, if they break something they have time to fix it before I get it [19:53] gremble: Get on my level! [19:53] lol [19:53] They do! [19:53] Just don't use [testing] [19:53] :P [19:55] I don't like how wine handles games :( [19:57] wine generally sucks :p [19:58] Much better than putting a windows partition on disk [19:58] windirstat, pazera free audio extractor and office 2007 run on it :p but paint doesn't :( [19:58] only 64 GB space total [19:58] I want paint! :D [19:58] smile: mtPaint [19:58] no [19:58] :p [19:58] also: ncdu [19:58] I know ncdu :p [19:58] smile: which paint? The new or old one? [19:58] doesnt matter :p paint is paint :p [19:59] pinta is very close, but has major bugs [19:59] yeah, I get that. [19:59] Looking for something like paint.net [19:59] Windows 8.1 doesn't have paint [19:59] Or not that I could find [19:59] night all, sleep tight [19:59] it doesn't?! [19:59] night Kilos [19:59] night Kilos [20:00] WIN+R => mspaint => run :D [20:00] ;) [20:00] night Kilos [20:00] I use GIMP for my occasional crop needs :p but drawing rectangles the easy way would be nice. [20:00] inkscape [20:00] :P [20:00] smile: I thought it had paint, then I thought I must be going crazy or something.. [20:00] I use that too, but inkscape for simple art is overkil :p [20:01] mspaint is the way to run it :) [20:01] smile: Always do that. winword too [20:01] ;) [20:01] mspaint is even available on windows rt [20:02] smile: that reminded me of the story why pinball isn't available on 64 bit.. [20:02] because Microsoft programmers suck at it :P [20:02] ;) [20:02] At paintball or 64bit? [20:02] pinball* [20:02] both :D [20:03] I don't know if we can evaluate their paintball abilities [20:03] I'm leaving :) good night ;) [20:03] Cheers smile [20:03] night sim [20:04] *smile :) [20:04] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2012/12/18/10378851.aspx here we go! [20:04] i'm off too [20:04] have a good evening all [20:06] toodle-doo [20:35] * inetpro *