[00:02] <xubuntu15w> i did that too
[00:04] <xubuntu15w> i kinda liked the way voyager has the dock at the bottom but i like being able to just right click and bring up the aplcation doilog
[00:04] <knome> you can change your panel configuration to be similar in xubuntu too if you wish
[00:07] <xubuntu15w> yes i looked at that but decided i didnt really care for that I have an i mac with maverick and the lap top my Mom uses i put xubuntu voyager on and like the way it looks andfunctions but alot of it is not nessicary
[00:09] <knome> fyi, voyager doesn't have anything else to do with xubuntu except it's based on xubuntu - it's not official, there is no cooperation between the two teams
[00:09] <knome> so there isn't really an OS called "xubuntu voyager"
[00:10] <xubuntu15w> yes i know the voyager guys are al french
[00:11] <xubuntu15w> I like the help the have pretty good suport exept the is a slight language barier
[00:11] <xubuntu15w> there
[00:13] <xubuntu15w> I found the os qiute simaller though
[00:13] <knome> of course, most of voyager comes directly from xubuntu
[00:14] <knome> anyway, if you want to continue the discussion, you can join our general chatter channel at #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[00:14] <xubuntu15w> also i got the voyager theme or whatever out of linux mag cd ok thanks
[03:02] <xubuntu89w> I need help
[05:17] <windobu> how can I remove the icons on the window buttons?
[05:18] <cfhowlett> system > appearance > settings > Toolbar Style > Text
[05:21] <windobu> Where is this? I googled this and they said to edit the gtk theme itself, but I figured there was an easier way
[11:21] <brainacid> using xmonad w/ xubunt 14.04
[12:09] <brainacid> hey
[12:09] <brainwash> hi
[12:35] <brainacid> hi brainwash
[16:39] <rosaecaeruleae> hi, I have a problem with radiotray. Terminal output here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/7eRgvEdR64
[18:51] <brainwash> rosaecaeruleae: bug 1033421
[18:51] <brainwash> rosaecaeruleae: I suggest that you try to google for a solution before asking here
[18:57] <rosaecaeruleae> thx brainwash +
[18:58] <brainwash> you're welcome :)
[19:00] <flux242> yep, always ready to brainwash you again
[19:00] <flux242> ; )
[19:33] <squeegily> I have an Acer Aspire One 751h that can't suspend on Linux. Well, it suspends OK, but then it won't respond to any keys or the power button.
[19:33] <squeegily> I already tried pm-suspend with different combinations of quirks
[19:34] <squeegily> Once it worked when I used --quirk-s3-bios, but I couldn't figure out why it happened to work that time
[19:35] <squeegily> Windows XP suspends and resumes without issue on this laptop
[19:36] <squeegily> I've already scrubbed Google
[19:37] <brainwash> squeegily: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend ?
[19:47] <squeegily> brainwash: Okay.. Installing the mainline kernel nw
[19:52] <squeegily> brainwash: Okay, did the pm_trace. System suspended and I pulled the battery. After it booted, I did dmesg | less and searched for "hash" and didn't find what it said to look for.
[19:53] <squeegily> The thing is, I think it's related to the BIOS since it doesn't even start to resume (no HDD access, the power light never turns green for a second) and the --quirk-s3-bios worked once
[19:55] <squeegily> IT WORKED AGAIN
[19:55] <squeegily> I booted with init=/bin/sh and then ran mount -o remount,rw /; pm-suspend --quirk-vbemode-restore
[19:56] <brainwash> squeegily: sadly I have no idea how to deal with this problem, it's basically trial & error
[19:56] <squeegily> I'm really having a hard time nailing down the constants
[19:57] <squeegily> I can't tell what makes it work.. I haven't found the pattern yet
[19:57] <squeegily> The thing is, I'm a student going to do the NM supercomputing challenge, and coding on Windows is not an option.. but a laptop that can't sleep.... :/
[19:57] <squeegily> Is just as much fun
[19:59] <brainwash> but that's linux, some things just don't work out of the box or don't work at all
[19:59] <squeegily> Okay, running it with init=/bin/sh and then running pm-suspend --quirk-vbemode-restore DID work, but just now I tried suspending with --quirk-vbemode-restore in /etc/pm/config.d/gma500 and that didn't work
[19:59] <brainwash> gma500 :/
[20:00] <squeegily> Yeah Intel hardware is fun
[20:00] <squeegily> My Radeon HD 4350 was easier to use with Linux than this
[20:01] <brainwash> I'm using the acer travelmate 8471 (gm45 + radeon 4330)
[20:02] <squeegily> Right now I have /etc/pm/config.d/gma500 containing the line: "ADD_PARAMETERS='--quirk-vbemode-restore'"
[20:02] <squeegily> Without the double-quotes
[20:02] <squeegily> What should I do?
[20:03] <squeegily> I ran pm-suspend from a console and it didn't work
[20:03] <brainwash> well, the obvious answer: buy some better hardware :>
[20:03] <squeegily> Crash again
[20:03] <squeegily> Yeah I just got $100 for christmas to go towards my computer savings
[20:03] <squeegily> This is a gift from a friend who didn't need it anymore
[20:04] <brainwash> you could file a bug report, but this bring you a solution any time soon
[20:04] <squeegily> It still has the XP installation on it because I knew something like this would happen when I installed Linux
[20:04] <brainwash> which xubuntu version?
[20:05] <squeegily> I think I figured it out
[20:05] <squeegily> 14.04
[20:05] <squeegily> I installed it yesterday
[20:05] <brainwash> maybe it's worth to test 14.10 or even 15.04 (dev release)
[20:05] <squeegily> Perhaps the constant is the console
[20:06] <squeegily> How can I disable the graphical driver for the VTTYs?
[20:06] <squeegily> It seems that if the console looked all blurry (like with init=/bin/sh), it resumed fine
[20:07] <brainwash> you want to unload the gpu driver (kernel module)?
[20:09] <squeegily> I just want the vTTYs (Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6) to not have good resolution
[20:09] <squeegily> Like 1360x768
[20:09] <squeegily> I'm looking up stuff about Grub now
[20:09] <brainwash> so you want to disable modesetting
[20:10] <squeegily> I just booted with nomodeset and the console still looks sharp.. in a second I'll see if suspend works
[20:11] <squeegily> Nope
[20:11] <squeegily> Perhaps I need to try the GFX_PAYLOAD thing
[20:15] <squeegily> I used an Ubuntu derivative so I didn't have to do this stuff :(
[20:15] <brainwash> but your gpu is trash (not supported by intel)
[20:16] <brainwash> so don't expect any miracles
[20:16] <squeegily> The point of Linux is you can pull a computer out of the trash, boot up a USB, and it becomes working
[20:17] <squeegily> I expected a miracle :(
[20:17] <squeegily> Okay, Grub is using 1360x768. How can I make the console use the same resolution?
[20:17] <brainwash> it won't work properly if the driver support is broken, incomplete or missing
[20:18] <squeegily> Ugh Grub didn't even use the right resolution
[20:18] <squeegily> I'll take a break for now
[20:18] <squeegily> Bye
[20:18] <brainwash> well, please head over to the grub channel :)
[20:18] <brainwash> ok, good luck
[20:18] <squeegily> Thanks for your helo
[20:18] <squeegily> Help*
[20:55] <bjorn_> Hi there, just installed xubuntu 14.10 and have problem with computer suspending upon closing lid. is this a known bug?
[20:56] <deshipu> bjorn_: what bug?
[20:59] <bjorn_> deshipu, before installing 14.10 I could close the lid and nothing would happen, now it suspends.
[21:00] <deshipu> bjorn_: you can set it in the power manager settings
[21:01] <bjorn_> deshipu, But it does not work for me
[21:01] <bjorn_> therefore i ask
[21:03] <deshipu> I don't know, you could look for it on launchpad
[21:04] <bjorn_> deshipu, ok.
[21:04] <bjorn_> thank you
[21:06] <flux242> bjorn_: there was a bug related suspending.
[21:06] <flux242> at least in 14.04
[21:08] <bjorn_> Now it wakes up with the screen lit, its better than in 14.04, then it did not turn on the screen.
[21:09] <bjorn_> but
[21:09] <bjorn_> it is still annoying that it suspends...
[21:09] <flux242> you set it to not suspend?
[21:12] <flux242> try this: xset -dpms; xset s 0 0; xset s off &
[21:12] <bjorn_> it there such an option (explicit)
[21:12] <bjorn_> ok..
[21:14] <bjorn_> no difference
[21:14] <flux242> ok, there was some option to activate, cannot remember
[21:23] <bjorn_> and one probably trivial question, how can I see the battery percentage in the panel  :]
[21:27] <bjorn_> found it, had to click the battery, surely trivial!