[04:44] <dsuhaimi> hello?
[15:19] <tomatto> hi, please how can i upgrade lubuntu 12.10 to new 14.10?
[15:20] <tomatto> when i run apt-get update it can't found repo and download updates
[15:26] <JackFrost> !eolupgrades
[16:16] <Buddyb> hey zy3pd
[16:16] <zy3pD> hi Buddyb
[16:17] <Buddyb> how's it going
[16:17] <zy3pD> it's the same like whats up?
[16:18] <Buddyb> yes, same thing
[16:19] <zy3pD> cool new words for my english knowledge ^^
[16:20] <zy3pD> ...i deactivated ip v6 some minutes before
[16:21] <Buddyb> what's ip v6?
[16:22] <zy3pD> its a new version of the ip protocol(which is used in the www)
[16:23] <zy3pD> the old was ip v4 and my network runs with ip v4 so i dont need it
[16:23] <Buddyb> oh ok
[16:23] <zy3pD> and do you have problems with lubuntu again? ;)
[16:24] <Buddyb> every now and then, sometimes it does not work, but it's ok
[16:25] <Buddyb> sometimes i turn the computer on, and once i'm logged in, it defaults to the original wallpaper, the screen is blank, and i can only move my mouse up/down in a straight line
[16:25] <Buddyb> so then i have to shut it down and start back up
[16:25] <zy3pD> yeah thats not cool, but lubuntu is such a minimalistic system ... we have to accept that :D
[16:26] <zy3pD> if your pc has more power then linux mint maybe is a better choice
[16:26] <zy3pD> btw do you know how many ram/cpu your pc has?
[16:27] <Buddyb> it's a laptop, it's decent. has 6 gb ram, 500 gb hdd and a second gen core i5
[16:28] <zy3pD> and which speed has the cpu (e.g. 1,2GHz) and how many cores? (e.g. quadcore or dualcore)
[16:29] <Buddyb> i believe 2 cores at 2.5 ghz
[16:29] <Buddyb> how do I check that on my computer? i'm so used to windows
[16:30] <zy3pD> i use hardinfo for that
[16:30] <Buddyb> ok cool
[16:31] <Buddyb> yes, those are my specs
[16:31] <Buddyb> 2 core 2.5 ghz
[16:31] <Buddyb> here's the thing, i use it for work, so i need it to be as stable and reliable as possible
[16:31] <zy3pD> on lubuntu it is preinstalled (system profiler and benchmark)
[16:32] <zy3pD> ok
[16:33] <zy3pD> do you play any big games or things like that on it?
[16:33] <Buddyb> no, just work
[16:33] <Buddyb> the laptop isn't powerful enough to play any games
[16:33] <Buddyb> at least graphic intense games i'd be interested in
[16:34] <Buddyb> i like ubuntu, but dislike unity
[16:34] <Buddyb> lubuntu is pretty good so far, but not perfect
[16:34] <zy3pD> i play on my laptop(dualcore, 1GHz) minecraft! :D
[16:34] <teward> Buddyb: that *might* be able to run Mint.  It can definitely run Lubuntu though (my older laptop was a weaker dualcore with 3.5GB RAM, and Lubuntu ran fine)
[16:34] <Buddyb> but i am using the 14.10 release, would the 14.04 version work a little cleaner you think?
[16:34] <teward> but I do NOT advise using Mint - because it's an unsupported variant
[16:35] <teward> Buddyb: 14.04 is probably more stable (but I stick to LTSes for stability, and power-user backport things which I need newer)
[16:35] <Buddyb> teward, thanks. i pretty much want a distro that i can get support easily for online, i.e. in these forums
[16:35] <teward> yeah, I push for Ubuntu and its variants, not the derivatives of Mint and such
[16:35] <zy3pD> i also use 14.04.1 ... good idea teward
[16:36] <Buddyb> teward, if i swtiched from 14.10 to 14.04 lubuntu do you think i would notice a difference? in errors, issues i'm having?
[16:36] <zy3pD> no the theme is a bit different ...
[16:36] <teward> Buddyb: forgive me but i don't have your errors scrollback so I don't know how to answer that
[16:37] <Buddyb> well not so much errors, it's just that i have issues from time to time
[16:37] <Buddyb> for instance
[16:37] <teward> i can say the theme is a tiny bit different
[16:37] <teward> Buddyb: there's always going to be nitpicky stupid edge case issues for everyone
[16:37] <teward> i run into them regularly
[16:37] <teward> in all variants
[16:38] <Buddyb> i have 2 monitors plugged in to laptop, set the autostart and ran the script to where the monitors are extended. randomly the monitors will start up on mirrored
[16:38] <teward> you might have *less* errors, yes
[16:38] <teward> but you'll still have issues.
[16:38] <teward> ah, okay, I don't use Lubuntu with triple screens
[16:38] <Buddyb> sometimes when i start the computer i can't do anything, it reverts to the default wallpaper, can only move mouse up/down, and can't access anything
[16:38] <teward> Buddyb: you can always try, but I ALWAYS suggest backing up data
[16:39] <zy3pD> teward, we created an autostart script in /etc/xdg/autostart
[16:39] <Buddyb> well i just installed lubuntu sunday, not much on here so no worries for trying new things
[16:39] <Buddyb> it's a dual screen setup
[16:40] <teward> triple if you include the laptop :P
[16:40] <teward> unless it's just the external and your laptop
[16:40]  * teward has a triple screen setup o.o
[16:40] <zy3pD> Buddyb, one idea is that you test linux mint mate (i dont like it because of the ugly green ^^) or you downgrade to lubuntu 14.04.1
[16:41] <zy3pD> teward, on laptop or pc?
[16:41] <Buddyb> its laptop plus 2 external but only 2 work at a time, the 2 external
[16:41] <teward> zy3pD: on my laptop.
[16:41] <teward> zy3pD: VGA -> DVI, HDMI -> DVI, external butterfly monitors
[16:41] <zy3pD> ahhh i tried 3 screens with 2 gpus but it didnt worked
[16:41] <teward> the third screen is my laptop's screen
[16:43] <Buddyb> If I downgrade to 14.04 do i just need to reinstall it?
[16:43] <zy3pD> yes but dont expect your files to be saved ... so do a backup!
[16:44] <Buddyb> well what do you suggest between ubuntu and lubuntu?
[16:45] <zy3pD> lubuntu<linux mint<ubuntu
[16:45] <zy3pD> or what do you mean?
[16:45] <Buddyb> if you had to suggest a distro for me to use, which one do you think is best
[16:46] <Buddyb> i'm not sure the diff between ubunut and lubuntu, not sure how much slower ubuntu would be
[16:46] <teward> ubuntu and its variants.
[16:46] <zy3pD> Buddyb, you dont like unity right?
[16:46] <Buddyb> teward, when you say variants does that include mint, or lubuntu, xubunut etc
[16:47] <Buddyb> zy3pd, right, can i install cinnamon on ubuntu?
[16:47] <teward> Buddyb: Ubuntu.Xubuntu,Lubuntu,Kubuntu,Ubuntu GNOME
[16:47] <teward> Buddyb: i call mint and elementary and such that are based on ubuntu derivatives
[16:47] <teward> because they're based off of Ubuntu but they make changes
[16:47] <Buddyb> ok
[16:47] <zy3pD> Buddyb, yes but you can also use linux mint cinnamon there is cinnamon preinstalled and configurated and works with the other system components
[16:48] <Buddyb> and how would you compare support for lubuntu vs. ubuntu? the same or will things vary
[16:48] <Buddyb> for instance if i have a probelm in lubuntu, is it harder to fix or the same as an ubuntu issue
[16:48] <Buddyb> zy3pd, i mean can you install cinnamon on ubuntu, not linux mint cinnamon
[16:49] <zy3pD> Buddyb, if it is a problem with the gui then it is harder ... if it is a problem with the system the it is the same
[16:50] <zy3pD> Buddyb, yes you can install cinnamon on ubuntu but for me this doesnt make sence because with linux mint cinnamon there exists a ubuntu based distro which already has cinnamon
[16:51] <teward> i thought cinnamon already it the repos
[16:51] <teward> zy3pD: he loses Ubuntu support vectors since Mint changes their repositories substantially
[16:51] <teward> his goal is to use a variant that has web support like this one that is useful
[16:51] <teward> (I believe)
[16:51] <Buddyb> yes correct
[16:52] <Buddyb> so before i had linux lite for a while, which was a derivative of ubuntu
[16:52] <Buddyb> i loved it, it looked great, no bugs that i came across, but when i had a question, issue, it was hard to get help
[17:03] <Buddyb> i loaded ubuntu 14.04 to a usb. i'm going to reboot and give it a try
[17:03] <Buddyb> thanks for the help, i'll be back a little later
[17:03] <teward> Buddyb: Ubuntu or Lubuntu?
[17:03] <Buddyb> ubuntu
[17:03] <Buddyb> i am currently on lubuntu 14.10
[17:03] <Buddyb> so trying ubuntu 14.04
[17:03] <teward> Buddyb: don't forget that Ubuntu is in #ubuntu if you come back seeking support
[17:04] <teward> if you want a similar DE to lubuntu 14.10 use lubuntu 14.04
[17:04] <Buddyb> yes, correct
[17:04] <teward> as Ubuntu is *vastly* different
[17:04] <Buddyb> yes, i've played with it before, but not too much
[17:04] <Buddyb> my needs are faily basic as most of my work is done online
[17:05] <Buddyb> i'll spend some time in it and be back a little later
[17:05] <Buddyb> thanks again
[18:41] <markus_> hi everyone. I'm new in the linux-world. I've startet with Lubuntu and now i would like to know, is there a easy way to get the "original" lxde dark theme?
[18:43] <zy3pD> with the application lxappereance you can change the theme
[18:44] <markus_> thaks for your answer ,with this tool i got the windows "black" with the cleanlooks theme and onyx but didn't get the lxde theme on the bar at the bottom
[18:46] <zy3pD> rightclick on the bar→panel-settings→sec tab
[18:47] <markus_> alright i'll try, thanks :)
[19:31] <Buddyb> hey all
[19:32] <zy3pD> hi Buddyb
[19:32] <teward> o/
[19:33] <Buddyb> so i've been playing around in ubuntu for a little bit
[19:34] <zy3pD> 14.04?
[19:34] <Buddyb> yes
[19:34] <zy3pD> tried dualscreen setup?
[19:35] <zy3pD> i think ubuntu handels this automaticly so you dont need to change anything
[19:35] <teward> ehhh you might
[19:35] <teward> especially if you have a hybrid graphics card
[19:35] <Buddyb> it was fairly straight forward
[19:35] <teward> (observed on my laptop)
[19:35] <Buddyb> no graphics card, intel built in graphics
[19:36] <Buddyb> its a laptop with no discrete gpu
[19:36] <Buddyb> so check it out, here is a link to my current lubuntu setup
[19:36] <teward> good
[19:36] <tomatto> what is difference between lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu minimal instalation?
[19:36] <Buddyb> don't be mad, i'm easing myself away from windows... this helps me feel a little more comfortable
[19:36] <Buddyb> http://a.pomf.se/ewiyxr.png
[19:37]  * teward throws dark matter at Buddyb
[19:37] <Buddyb> haha I said forgive me
[19:37] <Buddyb> I can't quit cold turkey, i need to take baby steps
[19:37] <teward> nope, i think i'll just dump my dark matter and exotic particles from cross-dimensional energy generation onto your workspace :p
[19:37] <teward> (sorry, i'm just kidding :P)
[19:38] <Buddyb> i know you are, trust me i dislike windows very much
[19:38] <Buddyb> but it helps me feel at home, what i'm used to
[19:38] <Buddyb> so
[19:38] <Buddyb> i like in lubuntu how i can have the panel at the bottom, and that it extends across both displays
[19:39] <Buddyb> and i like how if i have a firefox window open it will display it in the taskbar
[19:39] <zy3pD> but its in many de s like that, only in windows not ;)
[19:39] <Buddyb> yes, so i want a distro that can look like this
[19:40] <Buddyb> with a "start" button, and tabs on the bottom panel
[19:40] <zy3pD> e.g. lubuntu? ;)
[19:41] <teward> he means windows :P
[19:47] <Buddyb> yea so to me lubuntu seems closer to windows than ubuntu
[19:47] <zy3pD> Buddyb, if it look like windows then try zorin os ;P
[19:47] <Buddyb> really it's between ubuntu and lubuntu, and since i have 14.10, i want to install 14.04, so i need to reinstall regardless
[19:48] <Buddyb> yes, but will zorin be as compatible, and will i be able to get support and answers online easily?
[19:48] <wxl> Buddyb: it *IS* linux. you can configure it any way you want.
[19:49] <zy3pD> as i said: if you have problems with the graphical user interface then you will get less support, there is no difference if you ask for system issues
[19:49] <Buddyb> ok
[21:08] <janolap1> hi there, I would like to try to add some "eyecandy" to my lubuntu box. So I go to gnome-look, download the tar.gz file from http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ultra-Flat?content=167473
[21:09] <janolap1> then I go to customize look and feel, but I don't know what to do next...
[21:14] <janolap1> The "custom look and feel" application crashes when I go to "icons theme" and trying to install the .tar.gz file
[21:15] <ianorlin> janolap1: what version of lubuntu are you using?
[21:15] <ianorlin> does a window open up to choose the theme?
[21:15] <janolap1> hummm... I don't know...
[21:16] <janolap1> I think it's 14.04, or 14.10
[21:16] <ianorlin> lsb_release -rd in terminal will tell you
[21:16] <janolap1> ok, it' 14.04
[21:16] <ianorlin> do you know what kind of theme you are trying to install?
[21:17] <janolap1> this one : http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ultra-Flat?content=167473
[21:17] <teward> ianorlin: GTK - (from #linuxpadawan) [14/12/26 16:11:56] <janolap1> Hi there, I would like to add a GTK3 theme on my Lubuntu Box (this one : http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ultra-Flat?content=167473). But I don't know how to do this...
[21:18] <ianorlin> I am not sure if GTK3 themes will work
[21:19] <janolap1> What kind of theme should work ?
[21:20] <ianorlin> I think it should support gtk2 and gtk3
[21:20] <janolap1> ianorlin : I will try first an icons theme...
[21:20] <janolap1> step by step...
[21:22] <ianorlin> ah yeah that button is for icon themes
[21:22] <ianorlin> I think you have to do gtk themes manually
[21:22] <janolap1> Do you think it's the same for icons ?
[21:25] <janolap1> ok, for the icons, I unpack the tar.gz into ~/.icons and use "Customize look and feel" after. Working
[21:26] <janolap1> let's try the theme now...
[21:26] <janolap1> could i create a ~/.theme directory for this ?
[21:29] <janolap1> Yes ! it's working like icons...
[21:30] <ararob> hi, I've created a .desktop file on my desktop, and pointed it to a bash script like this, Exec=lxterminal --working-directory=/home/ara/nfs3.sh -e ./nfs3.sh, but lxterm just opens, and nothing happens.
[21:31] <ararob> er, i meant --working-directory=/home/ara of course.
[21:31] <janolap1> But I can't se the caption in the TaskBar pannel... to light...
[21:41] <ararob> nvm, got it to work.
[22:38] <Ahmuck_> i have a panel which i set to dynamic.  however i thought i would change it back but am not able to click the panel (as it only has a task manager assigned to it and clicking the buttons do not bring up a panel modificaion menu