[05:52] <Kilos> hi magespawn gremble theblazehen_  and other lurkers
[05:57] <magespawn> good morning Kilos
[07:16] <Squirm> hey folks
[07:23] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:24] <Squirm> Merry Christmas to all for yesterday
[07:28] <Kilos> ty lad and the same for you, hope you had a good time
[07:28] <Kilos> at least no work
[07:40] <Squirm> Yeah, flying back to Cape Town on Sunday, work on Monday, then kind of... off, but "on-call" for the rest of the week
[07:40] <Squirm> I should be at work, but I'm taking leave to spend time with the gf
[07:41] <Squirm> But because I should be at work, I can't really go anywhere
[07:42] <Kilos> aha
[07:43] <Kilos> good to spend time with gf, it is boxing day after all
[07:45] <gremble> Good morning Kilos 
[07:50] <magespawn> o/ Squirm gremble 
[07:51] <gremble> Hey magespawn 
[07:52] <gremble> Did you get your kids' tablets working?
[07:57] <Squirm> Kilos: next week
[07:57] <Squirm> hey gremble, magespawn
[07:58] <Kilos> ah
[08:02] <magespawn> gremble yup they happily playing away
[08:13] <gremble> Coolio
[08:13] <gremble> Hey Squirm 
[08:20] <gremble> I think I can get used to haskell :o
[09:44] <Kilos> gremble: how solid do you sleep
[09:45] <Kilos> did you hear the big storm at 1.30 this morning
[09:49] <gremble> I was on the other side of the mountain
[09:49] <gremble> I was awake when I saw it
[09:49] <gremble> thogh
[09:49] <gremble> though*
[10:04] <Kilos> sjoe, the big bangs woke me
[10:54] <Kilos> wb magespawn what happened
[10:57] <Kilos> oi
[11:03] <Kilos> voda hopper
[11:07] <magespawn> indeed
[11:08] <Kilos> lol
[14:00] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[14:00] <Kilos> house our korean
[14:00] <Kilos> hows
[14:01] <Cantide> hello :p
[14:01] <Cantide> ich weiss nicht
[14:01] <Cantide> my first class is on Jan 5 :p
[14:01] <Cantide> 괜찮아요
[14:01] <Cantide> :p
[14:01] <Kilos> you learning german too
[14:04] <Cantide> my dad's first language is German
[14:04] <Cantide> i'm terrible at it though :/
[14:05] <Kilos> hehe
[14:09] <Kilos> so what are you actually,  a teacher or lecturer or what?
[14:13] <Cantide> teacher :p
[14:13] <Cantide> more like a private tutor
[14:13] <Cantide> that teaches students 1:1
[14:15] <Kilos> ah
[14:15] <Kilos> and you still working with IT stuff?
[14:16] <Kilos> and ubuntu
[14:17] <Cantide> ah
[14:17] <Cantide> not so much
[14:17] <Cantide> but i do some English editing for a software development company
[14:18] <Cantide> just using Ubuntu to program some arduinos these days
[14:18] <Cantide> and for personal use
[14:18] <Cantide> i'm gonna sleep! good night!
[14:31] <charl> good afternoon
[14:31] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[14:31]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[14:32] <magespawn> hello charl 
[14:32] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[14:32] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[14:34] <Kilos> hi charl wb magespawn 
[14:34] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[14:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[14:35] <magespawn> ty busy working through the mysql tutorial
[14:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl, magespawn and Kilos!
[14:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:35] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[14:35] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:35] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[14:35] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[14:36] <charl> :)
[14:36] <charl> Maaz: danke
[14:36] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[14:36] <charl> hi Kilos 
[14:36] <charl> hi magespawn 
[14:37] <charl> magespawn: learning mysql ?
[14:45] <magespawn> yup that is the idea
[14:46] <magespawn> i bought a book called 'A Guide to SQL', but all the database info that is available for download for the exercises is for Access
[14:48] <magespawn> so i thought it would be a good exercise to create them all myself anyways
[14:48] <Kilos> sjoe i have a fat book magespawn called mastering sql
[14:49] <Kilos> 845 pages
[14:52] <Kilos> written by Martin Gruber
[14:56] <Kilos> i got books ill never understand, can share them
[14:58] <magespawn> back again
[14:58] <Kilos> magespawn: run mtr -i2 -s0 -n 8.8.8.8
[14:58] <magespawn> why?
[14:58] <Kilos> see if it helps you stay online
[14:59] <magespawn> nah i just had to change my connection, tablets are running out of a data
[14:59] <Kilos> aha
[15:01] <magespawn> yup the pdf manual from the mysql website is 3868 pages, single side so halve that for a book
[15:02] <magespawn> 1934
[15:02] <magespawn> still a nice long read
[15:10] <Kilos> if you interested i can post you this one in the new year
[15:10] <Kilos> or someone can fetch
[15:12] <Kilos> hmm... chanserv also decided to have a short break
[15:13] <magespawn> maybe it ran out of data too
[15:16] <Kilos> lol
[15:16] <Kilos> this book is old. my niece used it at tech
[15:17] <Kilos> has stuff changed
[15:18] <magespawn> i do not think that much but i do not know
[15:18] <magespawn> this is my first look at it
[15:24] <Kilos> at todays prices for books it must cost spanne
[15:46] <magespawn> computer books are always expensive
[15:46] <Kilos> well if you get into it , this one is yours
[16:03] <charl> i have never purchased a computer book in my entire life
[16:03] <charl> i learn everything online by reading official manuals, googling, asking around and figuring stuff out for myself
[16:04] <charl> i find that mostly computer books give you a very limited view of the software
[16:04] <charl> the view of the author
[16:04] <charl> most examples in computer books can also be done much better and you can learn much more from the official manual
[16:04] <charl> when you raed many java books for example they learn you blatant bad practices and give you terrible and often ridiculous examples
[16:05] <magespawn> i have a few, i still like to read from paper
[16:05] <charl> what about e-paper magespawn ?
[16:05] <charl> i had a kindle for a while but i hated it
[16:05] <charl> the e-paper was great to read from though
[16:05] <charl> but the rest of the device just sucked
[16:06] <magespawn> when i get a kindle or gobii that would be awesome
[16:06] <charl> gobii? never heard of that before
[16:06] <charl> you should ask richard stallman what he thinks of a kindle
[16:07] <magespawn> i am trying to sort out a hoteldruid install on my local machine, but i keep getting The requested URL /hoteldruid/ was not found on this server.
[16:07] <charl> he said the name is a good name because you are setting fire to your books
[16:07] <magespawn> charl: gobii is from kalahari.com
[16:08] <charl> oh it's a smartphone?
[16:08] <magespawn> they do smart phones and e-readers as well
[16:09] <charl> ah
[16:10] <charl> looks a bit like the wolfgang devices
[16:10] <charl> cheap branded chinese-made devices
[16:10] <charl> the aldi sells those here
[16:11] <magespawn> they quality seems okay, i have played with a few
[16:11] <charl> the big problem with the kindle is that they can remotely wipe data off your device
[16:11] <magespawn> superfly said apparently they stopped doing that because of the backlash
[16:13] <charl> it still doesn't change the fact that they have a permanent backdoor into your device
[16:13] <charl> via the global umts network
[16:14] <charl> afaik it is possible to just permanently run it in airplane mode though
[16:14] <charl> so that the umts interface is disabled
[16:18] <Kilos> hi samkelo welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:19] <samkelo> 8ta kilos
[16:19] <samkelo> hwzt?
[16:19] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[16:19] <magespawn> i can reach the apache default config page just not the hoteldruid
[16:20] <samkelo> good...
[16:21] <samkelo> is there anyone here who uses Cinelerra?
[16:21] <Kilos> very few peeps here at this time, what is that thing?
[16:24] <samkelo> it's a non-linear video editing software for linux.... it's rted as one of the best , if not the best
[16:24] <Kilos> aha
[16:27] <samkelo> only the source code is released... The compiking and packaging (where applicable) is mainly done by the person who wants to install it,,,
[16:28] <Kilos> oh my
[16:28] <Kilos> so you want to install it
[16:28] <Kilos> from source
[16:28] <samkelo> it's more suitable to 64-bit ... I have a 32-bit machine and needed assistance in installing it as I am running into errors here and there
[16:29] <Kilos> charl: give a hand
[16:29] <samkelo> yep... I have been trying to install i from its source
[16:29] <samkelo> but to no avail
[16:30] <samkelo> its not available on any of the ubuntu/debian repositories
[16:31] <Kilos> There is a Cinelarra PPA-- Personal Package Archive-- for Ubuntu users
[16:31] <Kilos> i looked here http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/693365-top-3-linux-video-editors
[16:32] <samkelo> thanks.. I will try it out
[16:32] <Kilos> Maaz: google Cinelarra PPA--  for ubuntu
[16:32] <Maaz> Kilos: "cinelerra : “Cinelerra-CV” team - Launchpad" https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ppa :: "Cinelerra" http://cinelerra.org/ :: "11.10 - How do I install cinelerra? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/68142/how-do-i-install-cinelerra :: "installation - Step to step how to install Cinelerra - Ask Ubuntu"
[16:32] <Maaz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/67164/step-to-step-how-to-install-cinelerra :: "Install Cinelerra Video Editor in Ubu…
[16:33] <Kilos> look at the first link samkelo 
[16:33] <Kilos> maybe this one is better
[16:33] <Kilos> non-linear video editing software for linux
[16:34] <Kilos> but the ppa should work
[16:35] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[16:35] <samkelo> thanks guys... i will give it a try 
[16:35] <Kilos> oh this the paw one
[16:36] <Kilos> yw samkelo 
[16:36] <Kilos> you also welcome to visit here all the time
[16:51] <charl> back
[16:51] <charl> reading the log...
[16:52] <charl> sorry i have no experience with cinerella myself, never even heard of it
[16:52] <charl> i can only tell you what google can tell you :)
[16:55] <Kilos> hehe i think the ppa will help him charl 
[16:59] <magespawn> aha got it working, the file permissions were incorrect
[17:00] <Kilos> eish magespawn them permissions cant drive one nuts
[17:02] <Kilos> we gotta get rain tonight and tomorrow. temps are 19/23°c
[17:05] <magespawn> indeed, espcially since it installs from the ubuntu software center, one would assume that it would work
[17:08] <Kilos> yeah i hope so for his sake, installing from source drove me nuts
[17:11] <Kilos> mosoons in malasia now
[17:11] <Kilos> monsoons
[17:12] <Kilos> ai! now i dunno if its now or old news
[17:13] <Kilos> looks like old news
[17:13] <Kilos> grrr
[17:30] <afrodeity> merry xmas
[17:30] <Kilos> ha afrodeity you still alive?
[17:30] <Kilos> same to you ty
[17:31] <afrodeity> very much so
[17:31] <afrodeity> hi kilos
[17:31] <afrodeity> tardis issues
[17:43] <inetpro> good morning 
[17:43] <Kilos> hi ho inetpro 
[17:43] <charl> morning ?! :D
[17:43] <charl> hi inetpro 
[17:43] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:44] <Kilos> he is a crazy mixed up kid
[17:44] <inetpro> uh, guess I lost the sense of time, sorry charl 
[17:45] <charl> relax man it's the holidays :)
[17:45] <charl> i only got up at around noon myself today so i'm no one to speak
[17:46] <afrodeity> it is 2014?
[17:50] <gremble> o/
[19:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:09] <charl> have a good evening all
[20:09] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:14] <gremble> https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/users-lightbulb.html