[00:12] <belkinsa> Meeting in 45 minutes!
[00:37] <skellat> .tock
[00:38] <jenni> IOError: [Errno socket error] [Errno 110] Connection timed out (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py", line 571, in create_connection)
[00:38] <skellat> Well, that's not good
[00:38] <skellat> .imdb The Interview
[00:38] <jenni> [MOVIE] Title: The Interview | Year: 1998 | Rating: 7.5 | Genre: Thriller, Crime, Drama | IMDB Link: http://imdb.com/title/tt0120714
[00:39] <skellat> Hmm, multiple films by that name
[00:40] <skellat> .twitter 548524058287947776
[00:40] <jenni> Reminder to the Academy: thanks to its December release, 'The Interview' is Oscar-eligible #SubmittedForYourConsideration (@iowahawkblog)
[00:41] <skellat> .t EST
[00:41] <jenni> Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:41:55 EST
[00:42] <skellat> Hunh, can provide own time but not US Naval Observatory
[00:42] <belkinsa> Meeting in 15 minutes!
[00:42] <skellat> "Meeting in 15 minutes"?
[00:43]  * skellat notes jenni isn't translating
[00:43] <skellat> :-)
[00:43] <skellat> belkinsa: Did anybody actually RSVP for this?
[00:43] <belkinsa> You and james did.
[00:44] <belkinsa> Not enough people?
[00:44] <skellat> Nah
[00:44] <skellat> We'll roll with it
[00:45] <belkinsa> Good.
[00:45] <belkinsa> Are you chairing?
[00:45] <jenni> oh baby
[00:45] <skellat> I think jenni wants to
[00:45]  * belkinsa *SLAPS jenni*
[00:45] <skellat> But this says I am: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-ohio/927/detail/
[00:45] <jenni> [ Final Meeting for 2014 | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal ] - https://j.mp/1JSF4BS
[00:45] <belkinsa> Okay.  Sorry for not doing it on the portal.
[00:46] <skellat> It is oka
[00:46] <skellat> s/oka/okay/
[00:46] <jenni> skellat meant to say: It is okay
[00:47] <skellat> Too many community teams Earth-wide do not use LoCo Team Portal enough
[00:47] <belkinsa> It is because many are (of the active ones) are old school?
[00:48] <skellat> LoCo Council doesn't know
[00:48] <skellat> The Council can't find a common reason
[00:48] <belkinsa> May I ask what other reasons are there?
[00:48] <skellat> They don't like it
[00:48] <skellat> They think it is cumbersome
[00:48] <skellat> They dislike the localization
[00:49] <skellat> They think it lacks flexibility
[00:49] <skellat> And I'm probably forgetting a few
[00:49] <belkinsa> I see and I thinking along those lines.
[00:49] <skellat> The Italians, Greeks, and French are really good at using the portal
[00:51] <skellat> It isn't everybody's favorite but nobody is sure where it should go development-wise
[00:52]  * belkinsa nods
[00:52] <skellat> I'm tempted to say somebody should just do something, present a 'fait accompli', and see how people react then
[00:53] <belkinsa> We have enough issues to deal with to do something.
[00:53] <belkinsa> But I agree, someone gotcha do it.
[00:54] <belkinsa> Meeting in 5 minutes!
[00:56] <skellat> .t HST
[00:56] <jenni> Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:56:39 HST
[00:56] <belkinsa> HST?
[00:56] <skellat> I would rather be in HST...that is to say, Hawaiian Standard Time...
[00:57] <belkinsa> Ah, I figured that was that timezone!
[00:57]  * skellat misses living in the Pacific
[00:57] <belkinsa> Are you not a native Ohioan>
[00:58] <skellat> I am
[00:58] <skellat> I am an Ohio native
[00:58] <skellat> I just liked living in the Pacific Rim
[00:58] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[00:59] <belkinsa> Meeting time
[01:00] <skellat> jrgifford: PING
[01:00] <skellat> .t EST
[01:00] <jenni> Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:00:15 EST
[01:00] <skellat> Okay, this is the last meeting for 2014
[01:00] <skellat> However dissipated and not well attended it may be
[01:01] <jrgifford> skellat: pong
[01:01] <skellat> The agenda can be found on LoCo Team Portal here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-ohio/927/detail/
[01:01] <jenni> [ Final Meeting for 2014 | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal ] - https://j.mp/1JSF4BS
[01:01] <skellat> First item: Mailing List
[01:01] <skellat> belkinsa, would you speak to this one?
[01:01] <belkinsa> Sure.
[01:02] <belkinsa> We have two mailing lists: one that we use right now that is on LP and one that is from like 2009(?) on lists.ubuntu.com.  My question is which one should we be using as a team?
[01:02] <belkinsa> LP: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-ohio/
[01:02] <jenni> [ Messages by thread : Mailing list archive : ubuntu-us-ohio team in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1xpr1jQ
[01:03] <belkinsa> Other one: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-oh
[01:03] <jenni> [ ubuntu-us-oh Info Page ] - https://j.mp/1xpr4vX
[01:03] <belkinsa> The lists.ubuntu.com one that us ran by mailingman
[01:03] <belkinsa> s/us/is
[01:03] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: The lists.ubuntu.com one that is ran by mailingman
[01:04] <belkinsa> I think we need to use the lists on since it's easier to use and to seek out messages than LP.
[01:04] <skellat> Apparently we switched from lists.ubuntu.com to LP in May 2008 according to this message from Jacob Peddicord: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-oh/2008-May/000559.html
[01:04] <jenni> [ UbuntuOhio [!] New Mailing List at Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1xpreUi
[01:05] <skellat> Anyone would be able to subscribe to a lists.ubuntu.com list regardless of LP membership in ~ubuntu-us-ohio
[01:05] <belkinsa> Good point.
[01:05] <jrgifford> For those of us who aren't able to read it, did Jacob cite a reason for moving to LP?
[01:05] <belkinsa> I guess you are right since it's a insiders thing.
[01:05] <jrgifford> (On my phone)
[01:05] <belkinsa> From the message: Hosting the list at Launchpad means that we don't have to deal with the
[01:05] <belkinsa> hassles of Mailman. All a user needs to subscribe to the list is a Launchpad
[01:05] <belkinsa> account, and upon joining the LoCo team, new members will be asked if they
[01:05] <belkinsa> would like to subscribe. This makes things easier overall for managing your
[01:05] <belkinsa> own mailing lists as well if you subscribe to other Launchpad lists.
[01:06] <jrgifford> Ok
[01:06] <jacob> o/ iirc, folks from LP wanted us to give it a run
[01:06] <skellat> jacob: And nowadays it seems like Ohio are the only ones using LP's mailing list function among the community teams...from LoCo Council's perspective
[01:06] <belkinsa> From that message jacob is right and I think is truely is needed for a team that focuses on local events.
[01:07] <jrgifford> So there was nothing inherently wrong with the list.u.c, just "ew mailman"
[01:07] <skellat> Yeah
[01:07] <jacob> skellat: hah. by all means, there's nothing technical from blocking for from using the mailman instance
[01:07] <jrgifford> Just like there is nothing inherently wrong with LP, just "ew LP"
[01:07] <skellat> Yeah
[01:07] <jacob> woah, didn't backspace enough there, but you get what i mean.
[01:08]  * belkinsa agrees with jrgifford
[01:08] <skellat> jacob: It is understood
[01:08] <jacob> (just popping in, i gotta head out for a flight, cheers)
[01:08] <skellat> One doesn't require LP membership in ~ubuntu-us-ohio while the other one does
[01:08] <jrgifford> So my question is this: Is there a reason to go back to list.u.c?
[01:08] <jrgifford> Ok, so that's a reason.
[01:09] <belkinsa> Reading messages and searching is easier.
[01:09] <jrgifford> The follow up is "does this give us a advantage?"
[01:09] <skellat> jrgifford: That is something I am unable to quantify
[01:10] <jrgifford> skellat: ok.
[01:10] <belkinsa> Maybe we should have a vote on the mailing list?
[01:11] <jrgifford> Yes
[01:11] <skellat> Sounds good.
[01:11]  * belkinsa takes the action item.
[01:12] <skellat> Are you writing minutes tonight too?
[01:12] <skellat> s/minutes/meeting summary/
[01:12] <jenni> skellat meant to say: Are you writing meeting summary tonight too?
[01:12] <belkinsa> I could, but I need to go to sleep right after the meeting.  I need to wake up early tomorrow.
[01:12] <skellat> Understood
[01:12] <skellat> Busy retail time of year.
[01:12] <belkinsa> Don't remind me.
[01:13] <skellat> Yes Miss
[01:13] <skellat> Item #2: Twitter Account
[01:13] <belkinsa> ;)
[01:13] <skellat> We still have a Twitter account
[01:13] <skellat> http://twitter.com/UbuntuOhio
[01:13] <jenni> [ Ubuntu Ohio (@UbuntuOhio) | Twitter ] - https://j.mp/1xpsAOV
[01:13] <skellat> Few know it exists
[01:13] <jrgifford> I know. It retweeted me a few times. >_>
[01:13]  * skellat is to blame for that retweeting
[01:14] <belkinsa> It did too before i left,
[01:14] <jrgifford> Ok. So is there something in particular that we should be doing with it?
[01:14] <skellat> The credentials for the account need to be passed around the leadership team
[01:15] <skellat> jrgifford: It is a broadcasting platform.  Using it to shout about what the community team is doing would be a great use.
[01:15] <belkinsa> I remember when they were, but I never had it working for me or never brothered.
[01:15] <jrgifford> Ok. KeepassX is the current recommended way of doing that.
[01:15] <skellat> I'll need to review that post-meeting
[01:16] <skellat> The account also needs a new e-mail address to be tied to
[01:16] <jrgifford> skellat: I can provide a email.
[01:16] <jrgifford> Or we can make a gmail.
[01:17] <skellat> Once I get the new e-mail and we figure out how to get it confirmed to the account, then the password can be reset
[01:17] <skellat> Are we ready to go on to the next item?
[01:17]  * belkinsa nods
[01:18] <belkinsa> Er, ready.
[01:18] <skellat> Item #3: UGJ Vivid Vervet
[01:18] <skellat> As written: February 6-8, 2015. We should hold a rally. Reports to be received as to locations under consideration whether we can find space in a Cleveland locale or if we will pursue the option of a centrally located Ohio State Parks lodge. 
[01:18] <skellat> jrgifford, were you able to find a spot?
[01:19] <jrgifford> skellat: so, currently I have tentative ability to have events in a location in Shaker Heights.
[01:19] <jrgifford> I just need to talk to them about that particular date
[01:19] <skellat> What location in particular?
[01:20] <jrgifford> The Shaker LaunchHouse
[01:20] <jrgifford> It's a startup incubator
[01:20] <jrgifford> Gigabit
[01:20]  * belkinsa knows where it is.
[01:20] <jrgifford> Projector, fair amount of space.
[01:20] <skellat> I'm assuming it is this thing: http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVjxMCZ5Un58AE5cPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1419672013/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.launchhouse.com%2f/RK=0/RS=XDwFgfmdU78ssJnk_YStiMHWqsE-
[01:20] <jenni> https://j.mp/1xptwCX
[01:20] <skellat> Hmm
[01:20] <jrgifford> Yeah, them.
[01:20] <belkinsa> http://www.launchhouse.com/
[01:20] <jenni> [ LaunchHouse | Seed Capital Fund & Business Accelerator ] - https://j.mp/1xptAT2
[01:21] <jrgifford> Free/minimal cost.
[01:21] <skellat> Did anybody do a quick check of MapQuest or Google Maps to see what rough routes looked like from Columbus or Cincinnati to the LaunchHouse?
[01:21] <belkinsa> I checked for Cinci.
[01:21] <jrgifford> skellat: basically you go north. It kinda sucks. :-/
[01:21] <belkinsa> Too far, 4 hour drive.
[01:22] <jrgifford> But that's the problem with any sort of location other than Columbus.
[01:22] <skellat> As it is said in real estate...location, location, location
[01:22] <skellat> Ashtabula to the site: http://mapq.st/1vi8uP5
[01:22] <jenni> [ MapQuest Maps - Driving Directions - Map ] - ALREADY_A_BITLY_LINK
[01:22] <belkinsa> And we don't have that many active people also.
[01:23] <jrgifford> True belkinsa
[01:23] <belkinsa> I feel like doing on is pointless if only two will come.
[01:23] <belkinsa> Or even just one.
[01:23] <skellat> And here is Columbus to the site: http://mapq.st/1xptZ87
[01:23] <jenni> [ MapQuest Maps - Driving Directions - Map ] - ALREADY_A_BITLY_LINK
[01:23] <skellat> 2 hours and 17 minutes isn't too bad
[01:24] <jrgifford> Then perhaps we should have a Ubuntu hour type event in our local areas?
[01:24] <belkinsa> Heh, dunno.
[01:24] <skellat> This one would be another poll
[01:24]  * belkinsa nods
[01:24] <skellat> Split it into a northern site/southern site date
[01:24] <skellat> OR
[01:25] <skellat> How about one of the state lodges?
[01:25] <belkinsa> That works.
[01:25] <belkinsa> And we also need to know who may be coming.
[01:25] <skellat> belkinsa, which state lodge looks most central?
[01:25] <belkinsa> What is the link again?
[01:25] <belkinsa> Nevermind
[01:26] <skellat> http://www.ohiostateparklodges.com/our-lodges/
[01:27] <belkinsa> Give me a few minutes, we can move on though
[01:27] <jenni> [ Plan Your Trip, Ohio State Park State Park Getaway | Ohio State Park Lodge, Ohio ] - https://j.mp/1xpuvD2
[01:27] <skellat> We would have to draw on the Community Budget for this
[01:27] <skellat> If we went to a lodge
[01:28] <jrgifford> True
[01:28] <belkinsa> Would this one work: http://www.saltforkstateparklodge.com/planning-your-trip-to-salt-fork/salt-fork-driving-directions/
[01:28] <belkinsa> http://www.saltforkstateparklodge.com/planning-your-trip-to-salt-fork/salt-fork-driving-directions/
[01:28] <jenni> [ Driving Directions - Salt Fork State Park Lodge rooms and cabins near Cambridge, Ohio ] - https://j.mp/1BdMWYv
[01:28] <jenni> [ Driving Directions - Salt Fork State Park Lodge rooms and cabins near Cambridge, Ohio ] - https://j.mp/1BdMWYv
[01:28] <jrgifford> But given our history of not drawing on it, we might be ok.
[01:28] <skellat> belkinsa: That's out near Zanesville
[01:28] <belkinsa> What about Deer Creak?
[01:29] <skellat> Deer Creek is closest to Columbus
[01:29] <belkinsa> And to Cinci, it seems
[01:29] <belkinsa> Er, Dayton.
[01:30] <skellat> Mt. Sterling is outside Columbus
[01:30] <skellat> I was up for consideration for a job there once
[01:30] <skellat> jrgifford: What do you think?
[01:31] <jrgifford> skellat I'm still carless and licenseless, so I'm not really in a position to say much.
[01:31] <skellat> jrgifford: Understandable
[01:32] <belkinsa> I think we should not do one if it's only going to me and skellat.
[01:32] <jrgifford> But there's only the 3 of us here
[01:32] <belkinsa> Wait, skellat aren't not able to do anything in Feb due to your job?
[01:32] <belkinsa> Duh.
[01:32] <skellat> I can always travel on weekends
[01:32] <belkinsa> Okay
[01:32] <jrgifford> If we publish details, then we will have the potential to find others
[01:32] <belkinsa> Aye.
[01:32] <skellat> And if the threatened reduction-in-force happens...I'll have plenty of time on my hands...
[01:33] <belkinsa> We just need a time.
[01:34] <belkinsa> And day
[01:34] <skellat> Saturday
[01:34] <belkinsa> That works.
[01:34] <skellat> Travel down Friday, spend night
[01:34] <skellat> Do stuff Saturday
[01:34] <skellat> Spend night Saturday
[01:34] <skellat> Go home Sunday
[01:34]  * skellat was just checking if there was a congregation in the area I could visit for services on a Sunday morning
[01:35] <skellat> http://churchzip.com/?lat=39.7195054&lng=-83.26519259999998&inputbox=Mt+Sterling%2C+OH%2C+United+States&Submit=ChurchZip+Search
[01:35] <jenni> [ ChurchZip ] - https://j.mp/1BdNZYr
[01:35] <belkinsa> I can get there in 1.5 hours from where I live.
[01:35] <jrgifford> Ok. So there's the schedule for it.
[01:37] <skellat> Leaving from work...it would be about 3 hours driving down I-71
[01:38] <skellat> So it is doable
[01:38] <jrgifford> Cool.
[01:38] <belkinsa> \o/
[01:38] <skellat> I say throw it out there as an idea for further discussion with the skeleton we've got formed now
[01:39] <skellat> Any objection?
[01:39] <belkinsa> None for me.
[01:39] <jrgifford> None
[01:39] <skellat> Are we ready for the not-so-happy item?
[01:39] <belkinsa> Yes.
[01:40] <jrgifford> I guess.
[01:40] <skellat> Item #4: Leadership Transition
[01:40] <skellat> Relevant blog post: http://erielookingproductions.info/ubuntu/2014/12/62-reluctantly-facing-change
[01:40] <jenni> [ Reluctantly Facing Change ] - https://j.mp/1BdOMZB
[01:40] <skellat> From the blog post:
[01:40] <skellat> Based upon verbal and written orders received early Tuesday, I will be heading back to work soon for some not so nice people. Current "operational security" and "force protection" alerts have been warning staff to minimize their online presences and to get very antisocial for the sake of their own self-preservation. As I work for a non-defense/non-security agency, it bothers me greatly to have things like this pop up. I have to figure out ho
[01:40] <skellat> w to square such with being able to live a healthy life.
[01:40] <skellat> Also:
[01:40] <skellat> The last regular item on the agenda for the meeting will be discussing the transition of leadership for Ubuntu Ohio. We will certainly be putting in motion actions to have an excellent Ubuntu Global Jam for the Vivid Vervet cycle. The pressures of work in an environment that is going to be a bit overheated in contrast to when I was laid off will mean I cannot plan our Jam let alone lead it. The Ubuntu Code of Conduct calls for stepping down 
[01:40] <skellat> considerately and we're shooting to have new leadership in place to start calendar year 2015. 
[01:41] <skellat> From the agenda item:
[01:41] <skellat> Due to circumstances beyond his control, Stephen Michael Kellat appears required to stand down as Leader and Point of Contact for Ubuntu Ohio. This is prompted by his conditions of employment as a federal civil servant. We must discuss the way forward. 
[01:41] <skellat> Where do we want to start with this?
[01:42] <jrgifford> We nominate belkinsa as our benevolent dictator?
[01:42] <skellat> How many hats is belkinsa wearing these days?
[01:42] <belkinsa> Mind reader.
[01:42] <belkinsa> skellat, more than enough.
[01:43] <belkinsa> I was thinking of us three doing it as a team.
[01:43] <skellat> Okay
[01:43] <skellat> There's been a year to prepare for that
[01:43] <skellat> Sadly Unit193/JackFrost is not here at the moment
[01:43] <jrgifford> A council? That could work.
[01:44]  * belkinsa nods
[01:44] <skellat> Do the two of you want to talk it over with Unit193?
[01:45] <belkinsa> Yes.
[01:45] <jrgifford> We can send him an email, yes
[01:45] <skellat> In short, work is being goofy
[01:45] <skellat> I'm not even officially back yet
[01:45] <belkinsa> Want the action item, jrgifford?
[01:45] <jrgifford> belkinsa: sure.
[01:45] <belkinsa> Thanks
[01:45] <belkinsa> Don't forget it CC it to me.
[01:45] <jrgifford> K
[01:46] <skellat> The written orders, supplemented by the verbal ones, noted that there is a bit of a security nightmare going on
[01:46] <skellat> Apparently phablets are not the cool thing if you like to get through security quickly
[01:46] <skellat> I'm not sure how much higher the sensitivity of the magnetometers can be set, though
[01:46] <jrgifford> skellat: hah
[01:47] <skellat> People are already taking off belts and shoes that have too much metal in them
[01:47] <skellat> If it comes down to tooth fillings setting it off...
[01:47] <skellat> Or a gnat farting in the general vicinity...
[01:47] <jrgifford> The aerodrome security certainly has that covered ;-)
[01:48] <skellat> On the Monday I go back to work I'm going to be up at 5 AM to be at the building by 7 AM to clear through security to be in my seat by 8 AM to work until 4:45 PM and then get home by 7-7:30 PM.
[01:49] <jrgifford> Funnnn
[01:49] <skellat> 14.5 hours related to job and travel just aren't that great for having a life
[01:50] <skellat> It will ease up after we get our credentials back but...well...not by much.
[01:50] <jrgifford> Totally get that. Any further things on the agenda 
[01:51] <skellat> I don't have any other business.  Do you belkinsa?
[01:52] <belkinsa> I don't have any, well, just a comment about the jam.  I might provide the computer that we can use to present stuff.
[01:52] <skellat> Okay
[01:52] <belkinsa> s/the/a
[01:52] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: I don't have any, well, just a comment about a jam.  I might provide the computer that we can use to present stuff.
[01:52] <skellat> Saw your blog post about your new quiet system.
[01:53] <belkinsa> But we can figure that out when the time gets near.
[01:53] <skellat> Alrighty, I think the meeting is FINISHED
[01:53] <belkinsa> Let's close it!
[01:54] <jrgifford> Fin
[01:54] <PCLine_> Good evening.
[01:54] <skellat> Good evening
[01:56] <belkinsa> o/ PCLine_
[01:57] <PCLine_> Looks like its been busy in here tonight.
[01:57] <belkinsa> We had a meeting
[01:58] <PCLine_> Did the meeting go well?
[01:58] <belkinsa> It did.
[02:03] <PCLine_> Sorry I missed it.  Dont think I would have been much help.
[02:03] <belkinsa> It's cool.
[02:41] <belkinsa> jrgifford and skellat: Minutes posted: http://ubuntusense.com/2014/12/26/final-meeting-of-the-year-for-ubuntu-ohio/
[02:41] <jenni> [ Final Meeting of the Year for Ubuntu Ohio | Ubuntu Sense ] - https://j.mp/1xpExEa
[02:41] <belkinsa> And Poll posted: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-ohio/msg01465.html
[02:42] <jenni> [ [POLL]Which Mailing-List We Should Use. : Mailing list archive : ubuntu-us-ohio team in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1xpEAQf
[02:42] <belkinsa> And I'm out.
[02:42] <belkinsa> Night all.
[19:34] <belkinsa> I will put something else in that space soon.