[05:58] <Kilos> hi bushtech welcome back
[05:58] <Kilos> compliments of the season to you
[05:58] <Kilos> hi Squirm theblazehen_ and others
[05:59] <bushtech> Thanks Kilos, all the best to you too
[05:59] <Kilos> where have you bee?
[05:59] <Kilos> been
[06:00] <bushtech> family matters, been in Natal for 5 weeks
[06:00] <Kilos> ah
[06:01] <Kilos> hope all is good
[06:02] <bushtech> yep, sorted
[07:36] <Kilos> morning gremble 
[07:37] <gremble> Good morning Kilos 
[07:49] <Kilos> ai! geeks are funny peeps
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[07:49] <Kilos> Most pirated TV shows of 2014
[07:49] <Kilos> Torrentfreak has released its annual "most pirated TV shows" list, which is topped by well-known titles
[07:49] <Kilos> Biggest international tech stories of 2014
[07:49] <Kilos> The e-commerce space has a new heavyweight challenger, while the world's biggest Internet company is starting to feel the heat in Europe – these are just a couple of the big stories to emerge in 2014.
[07:49] <Kilos> I don't care that The Pirate Bay is down: co-founder
[07:49] <Kilos> The Pirate Bay co-founder Peter Sunde said that The Pirate Bay had lost its soul, and that he does not care that the website was taken down
[07:52] <Kilos> what soul can a site have?
[07:55] <gremble> The same way that any enterprise can have a mission statement, an interpreted understanding what it is doing and why it is doing it
[07:56] <Kilos> ok so what was lost
[07:56] <Kilos> was it abused or no donations made
[07:57] <gremble> PirateBay was apparently created for the dissemination of information, books, movies, etc
[07:57] <gremble> But it turned more into an advertising platform with very dubious ads. Sunde did not like that
[07:58] <Kilos> aha ty for the explanation
[07:58] <gremble> It made the criminality of the enterprise more glamarous than the point of sharing like a massive library
[07:58] <Kilos> ah that makes sense then
[08:00] <Kilos> glamorous
[08:01] <Kilos> our spelling bot is away
[08:01] <Kilos> spell checker
[08:01] <Kilos> at one time he had time to help everyone with spelling, then life took over
[08:03] <Kilos> gremble: explain what is ibids prob with python3
[08:03] <Kilos> is there no software that can fix that?
[08:04] <Kilos> that backwards thing
[08:09] <gremble> People like to see the "human-ness" in things that we make. They way some people refer to a car as a "she" or we say that the laptop has "died" etc
[08:09] <gremble> #philosophyfortheday
[08:10] <Kilos> backwards compatability
[08:10] <Kilos> what is that?
[08:11] <Kilos> i clicked it and it opened another channel hehe
[08:29] <gremble> There was python 3 changed the way some of the parts of the python language works
[08:29] <gremble> No there was, sorry
[08:29] <gremble> Those changes are incompatible with the way that python 2.7 works
[08:30] <gremble> Meaning 2.7 code can't run in 3 and 3 code can't run in 2.7
[08:30] <Kilos> eish
[09:50] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:50] <magespawn> good afternoon
[09:51] <Kilos> lol
[09:51] <Kilos> allmost
[09:51] <Kilos> almost too
[09:53] <magespawn> close enough for me 
[09:57] <Kilos> hehe
[10:02] <Kilos> oh my
[10:42] <Kilos> magespawn: why does your isp keep changing? router?
[11:27] <magespawn> no it should not
[11:27] <magespawn> maybe because i just connected without doing anything
[11:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:33] <magespawn> i am connected through my phone, so it might be the signal, 
[11:34] <Kilos> aha
[11:34] <Kilos> you use tor hey?
[11:34] <Kilos> http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sjg365
[11:34] <Kilos> they were also attacked
[11:34] <magespawn> sometimes
[11:36] <Kilos> these crackers should be given hard labour
[11:36] <Kilos> or maybe just shot and buried
[11:36] <magespawn> there has also been some talk about being able to identify tor users if you control the node they exit through
[11:36] <magespawn> i think the education is key
[11:38] <Kilos> im really stupid i think, i have seen anything on the net id like to attack for the fun of it
[11:38] <Kilos> havent
[11:38] <Kilos> i dont understand that mentality
[11:40] <Kilos> i can understand (but dont condone) bank robbers and other thieves
[11:40] <Kilos> but what do crackers get out of it
[12:41] <magespawn> the fun of being able to say that they have done something
[12:53] <magespawn> or in is some cases they do it for money or to achieve some political goal
[13:01] <Kilos> that maybe i can understand
[13:01] <Kilos> the greed factor
[13:06] <charl> good afternoon
[13:06] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[13:06]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:06] <Kilos> hi charl 
[13:06] <charl> hi Kilos 
[13:06] <charl> how are you this afternoon
[13:06] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[13:06] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[13:06] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[13:06] <charl> good good
[13:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[13:10] <Kilos> Maaz: danke
[13:10] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[13:10] <Kilos> Maaz: botsnack
[13:10] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[13:15] <gremble> o/
[13:15] <Kilos> hehe hiya gremble 
[13:15] <Kilos> thats a wave hey?
[13:16] <gremble> Indeed
[13:37] <gremble> It is raining so nicely here now
[13:43] <theblazehen_> eff Android.. http://releases.sailfishos.org/sfa-ea/2014-07-18_SailfishOSHardwareAdaptationDevelopmentKit.pdf Challenge accepted!
[13:49] <gremble> :P
[13:51] <theblazehen_> gremble: you ever try sailfish OS?
[13:53] <gremble> Nope
[13:53] <gremble> Only heard about it
[13:53] <theblazehen_> yeah. I really like the look of it.
[13:53] <theblazehen_> I don't like the amount of "TODO" in the porting guide, however :(
[13:54] <gremble> The problem is getting a phone that will play along
[13:55] <theblazehen_> Seems like it uses cyanogenmod drivers
[13:55] <theblazehen_> So as long as your phone runs CM10 it *should* work
[13:55] <theblazehen_> hi bushtech
[13:56] <magespawn> hi all
[13:56] <theblazehen_> hi magespawn
[13:58] <magespawn> they say sailfish is built om meego
[13:58] <magespawn> i wonder if i can just load it straight on to the n900?
[13:59] <theblazehen_> magespawn: They have builds for the Nexus 4
[13:59] <theblazehen_> you hear about the neo900 project?
[14:00] <theblazehen_> Newer hardware, same OS
[14:00] <theblazehen_> meaemo or meego or whichever one it is
[14:02] <magespawn> i like the idea of being able to run what ever i want, i did have android running on my n900 for a bit
[14:02] <theblazehen_> magespawn: hah. You still have it?
[14:03] <magespawn> sitting right in front of me, not my daily phone, but it is still useful
[14:03] <theblazehen_> ah, kk. Running maemo on it now, or what?
[14:03] <theblazehen_> I wish they still made good phones with proper keyboards :/
[14:04] <magespawn> yup i reverted it back, the android was a dual boot from the memory card
[14:05] <theblazehen_> ah
[14:07] <magespawn> it had issues with the hardware, somethings worked but not well and others did not work at all
[14:07] <theblazehen_> yeah
[14:09] <theblazehen_> Oh man.. I have more free RAM than free disk space...
[14:09] <theblazehen_> 22 GB free vs 6.4 GB free...
[14:09] <magespawn> oops
[14:10] <theblazehen_> Time for a ramdisk!
[14:10] <magespawn> that is just wrong, i do not have that much ram if i add all of my computers together
[14:10] <theblazehen_> magespawn: I have 32 GB of DDR3 and 2(used to be 3) GB of DDR2 and 256 MB PC-133
[14:11] <theblazehen_> I used to run lots of virtual machines..
[14:11] <theblazehen_> One of my PC's has 3 NIC's plus the onboard..
[14:12] <magespawn> i remember seeing a pci card that could take ram to work as a hard drive
[14:12] <theblazehen_> yeah.
[14:13] <theblazehen_> I see some PCIe SSDs now...
[14:13] <theblazehen_> up to 16 TB ?!
[14:13] <magespawn> now that would be somewhat fast
[14:14] <theblazehen_> magespawn900: Phone?
[14:14] <theblazehen_> magespawn900: somewhat?!
[14:14] <theblazehen_> lemme get the specs..
[14:14] <magespawn> yup from the phone
[14:14] <theblazehen_> I saw that when I looked at the wikipedia page for IOPS..
[14:15] <magespawn> i am betting the cost would be up there with the space station
[14:15] <theblazehen_> heh, yeah...
[14:15] <theblazehen_> one day..
[14:16] <theblazehen_> http://www.fusionio.com/products/iodrive2 not the 16 TB, but check that out..
[14:18] <magespawn> and they specifically list linux as supported
[14:18] <theblazehen_> magespawn900: heh, of course..
[14:18] <theblazehen_> Probably used for high performance databases..
[14:19] <theblazehen_> effing tab complete...
[14:19] <theblazehen_> Goes to your 900 nick :/
[14:19] <magespawn> lol
[14:19] <theblazehen_> Heh, I love chiptunes.. Always references to other artists and stuff..
[14:21] <theblazehen_> lotsa collaboration too, between the bigger artists
[14:24] <magespawn> gotta go be sociable for a bit family have just arrived
[14:25] <theblazehen_> alright, cya
[14:39] <theblazehen_> "pacman -Q | grep android | cut -f 1 -d " "  | xargs sudo pacman --noconfirm -Rcs" Oh CLI, how I love you..
[14:41] <theblazehen_> hi bushtech
[14:44] <theblazehen_> Alright, I'm gonna add my RAM and then make a RAMdisk. I better not get eskomed..
[14:44] <bushtech> hi theblazehen_ 
[14:49] <Kilos> oi!
[14:50] <theblazehen_> Wb Kilos 
[14:50] <Kilos> ty theblazehen_ after days of being connected my modem decided genoeg is genoeg
[14:51] <theblazehen_> Kilos: ouch. What you use now?
[14:51] <Kilos> unplug replug and works again
[14:51] <theblazehen_> Ah
[14:51] <Kilos> i dont understand what causes it though
[14:53] <theblazehen_> Ya
[14:53] <theblazehen_> Sounds like fun problem to fix
[14:53] <Kilos> i think its a bad oke trying to get in here 
[14:59] <theblazehen_> When plugging in a HDMI cable dislodges your ram..
[15:09] <bushtech> theblazehen_, you're not supposed to use a crowbar to get the hdmi cable in :)
[15:10] <theblazehen_> bushtech: lol
[15:12] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:12] <Kilos> Maaz: hi
[15:12] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[15:13] <Kilos> needed a reboot to get it going again this time
[15:17] <Kilos> theblazehen_: you here?
[15:17] <Kilos> no nicks are showing as online
[15:18] <theblazehen_> Kilos: ya
[15:19] <Kilos> wow
[15:34] <Kilos> must be #ubuntu-za, other channels show fine
[15:56] <Kilos> wbb
[16:03] <Kilos> hi magespawn you hopping again
[16:04] <magespawn> not this time, just changed to the phone. had to pack up the laptop, dining room table is needed.
[16:06] <Kilos> lol
[16:08] <magespawn> priorities of non pc people
[16:10] <theblazehen_> So my HDMI -> VGA adapter died..
[16:11] <Kilos> ouch that sucks
[16:12] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[16:12] <bduk> Hi everyone
[16:12] <bduk> Hi everyone
[16:13] <magespawn> hi bduk
[16:13] <Kilos> lol hakkel jy
[16:13] <magespawn> theblazehen_: vga screen?
[16:13] <bduk> Ag hou op Kilos  dit was kersfees man
[16:13] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <Kilos> alle voorspoed daar
[16:14] <bduk> Kan nie meer tik nie vakansie was telank
[16:15] <theblazehen_> "Warning:
[16:15] <theblazehen_> Modifying or replacing your device’s software may void your device’s warranty, lead
[16:15] <theblazehen_> to data loss, hair loss, financial loss, privacy loss, security breaches, or other damage, and therefore
[16:15] <theblazehen_> must be done entirely at your own risk. No one affiliated with this project is responsible for your
[16:15] <theblazehen_> actions but yourself. Good luck." wow, thanks...
[16:16] <theblazehen_> magespawn: yeah, 2
[16:16] <theblazehen_> magespawn: one using the normal VGA connector, and one WAS using the adapter
[16:16] <theblazehen_> Wonder if I should just buy a cheap GPU?
[16:17] <magespawn> i see. time for a new screen? does it make a difference if it is hdmi all the way through?
[16:17] <theblazehen_> " At least 4 GiB of RAM (the more the better" I knew 24 GB in one PC was a good idea..
[16:18] <theblazehen_> magespawn: got 2nd one for xmas.. HDMI all the way through?
[16:18] <magespawn> with out the vga adaptor?
[16:19] <magespawn> as in do you see a difference because of the adapter?
[16:19] <theblazehen_> ah, dunno, only the TV has a HDMI connection..
[16:19] <theblazehen_> But I tested the adapter in other PC's, doesn't work
[16:32] <theblazehen_> hi bushtech
[16:39] <gremble> I think the HDMI connectors have more available bandwidth for the high definition screens
[16:39]  * gremble wanders off again
[16:40] <Kilos> haha
[16:43] <theblazehen_> gremble: yeah.. Better quality too
[16:43] <theblazehen_> Displayport still better
[16:45] <gremble> Oreilly is offering free books
[16:45] <gremble> but none of them are nice D:
[16:45] <Kilos> what do you class as a nice book?
[16:53] <gremble> Something that I would want
[16:53] <gremble> I ended up getting something like programming computer vision with python
[16:53] <Kilos> sigh
[16:53] <Kilos> ah thats closer
[16:57] <theblazehen_> gremble: how about http://i.imgur.com/INBvStO.png ?
[17:05] <magespawn> gremble link?
[17:19] <gremble> theblazehen_: I would actually try that xD
[17:19] <theblazehen_> gremble: me too :(
[17:19] <gremble> magespawn: http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zsko8rq94drpmmfel8vj0u6drolp2ihbcme9uljg
[17:20] <magespawn> ty
[17:20] <theblazehen_> gremble: you see the "with his therapist" part? :)
[17:20] <gremble> I did, yes
[17:20] <gremble> :P
[17:20] <gremble> "You might as well kill yourself right now"
[17:22] <gremble> My brother wrote off his car on monday
[17:22] <gremble> The tow-in people stole my sister's tablet from under the seat
[17:23] <theblazehen_> gremble: ouch :(
[17:25] <gremble> I would like to say something to the lines of, "People have no ethics these days" but that would imply that I could name a date where people did not lie and steal from one another
[17:25] <gremble> How do I see the size of a folder in the commandline? :x
[17:26] <theblazehen_> gremble: du -sh $folder
[17:26] <theblazehen_> also: have a look at ncdu
[17:27] <gremble> If I wanted a ncurses interface I would have fired up ranger
[17:27] <gremble> (which I did) xD
[17:28] <theblazehen_> ah :p ty for the tip\
[17:28] <theblazehen_> I need a file manager
[17:28] <theblazehen_> coreutils only do so much..
[17:28] <gremble> That's what she said
[17:28] <theblazehen_> lol
[17:28] <gremble> (not the part about the file manager)
[17:29] <theblazehen_> confession: I've been using filezilla as my graphical file manager
[17:29] <gremble> LOL
[17:29] <gremble> I have thunar if I really need a graphical file manager
[17:29] <theblazehen_> heh
[17:29] <gremble> But ranger is nice. I even have image preview 
[17:30] <theblazehen_> in CLI? Does it draw to framebuffer or what?
[17:30] <gremble> Draws with w3m
[17:30] <theblazehen_> ah
[17:30] <theblazehen_> that uses framebuffer IIRC
[17:32] <gremble> It is very nifty
[17:34] <theblazehen_> Yeah
[17:44] <gremble> I ran out of sugar
[17:44] <gremble> I don't have any more money
[17:44] <gremble> haha
[17:44] <gremble> I will now slowly die
[17:48] <nlsthzn> :(
[17:48] <magespawn> boomarang again
[17:49] <gremble> Boomerangs can fly in space... well in the ISS that is
[17:49] <theblazehen_> Anyone here read the xkcd what-if book?
[17:50] <gremble> I recommended it to someone, I think I read all the what-if's on the net
[17:50] <gremble> I found it brilliant
[17:50] <gremble> If I had R400 I would have bought it along with my linguistics book
[17:52] <magespawn> gotta go battery is dying later all
[17:52] <Kilos> oi
[17:52] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[17:52] <gremble> Cheers magespawn 
[17:52] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos 
[17:54] <theblazehen_> gremble: boomerang reminded me of that bomb on a boomerang question :p
[17:54] <theblazehen_> I got mine for like R270 i think
[17:55] <theblazehen_> Exclusive Books
[17:56] <Kilos> get sugar first man
[17:57] <gremble> That is how much it is, yes. I bought another book that I really want for R240 I think
[17:58] <theblazehen_> Ah, which was it?
[17:59] <gremble> "the language instinct" by Steven Pinkter
[18:00] <gremble> I want to get the other one as well, "The Stuff of Thought"
[18:00] <theblazehen_> Ah
[18:02] <gremble> Hmm.. I got an MP3 player for christmas, but I don't think it is going to mount correctly for me to transfer music over to it from my laptop
[18:02] <gremble> :/
[18:03] <gremble> It doesn't seem to have a mountable partition
[18:03] <gremble> Oh, it does
[18:15] <gremble> theblazehen_: You don't have a cli program that can report music metadata or organise music according to the metadata?
[18:21] <charl> have a good evening
[18:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:43] <theblazehen_> gremble: Have you tried using the file command?
[18:44] <theblazehen_> Also a keyword to search for is id3 if you haven't came across that yet
[18:46] <gremble> i've been looking around
[18:47] <gremble> I decided to install banshee (i think) and just do what I need to do with that
[19:02] <gremble> My mouse is dying in there are no batteries in this house
[19:02] <gremble> XD
[21:34] <theblazehen_> Hi bushtech 
[21:35] <theblazehen_> Oh, got my hour wrong..
[21:57] <bushtech> how?