[00:00] <schnitz> actual partition
[00:00] <delt> ok.... so if you run "glxgears" from a terminal window what do you get?
[00:00] <schnitz> lemme check
[00:00] <schnitz> not installed
[00:00] <schnitz> shall I apt-get it?
[00:01] <schnitz> apt-get install mesa-utils?
[00:01] <delt> should come with your opengl installation
[00:01] <delt> nah, not mesa... that's software rendering iirc
[00:02] <schnitz> well thats what the terminal suggested ;-)
[00:02] <schnitz> no worries, this is fun
[00:03] <delt> like i said, i'm much more familiar with nvidia cards, since that's what i've always been using. so i can't be of much help for ati stuff
[00:03] <schnitz> no prob, thanks for your help in any case!
[00:04] <schnitz> I do appreciate
[00:05] <delt> tell me what you think of the osx style theme i just hacked up together :D ---> http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/greybird-mac.png
[00:05] <schnitz> ok
[00:05] <delt> well, it's just greybird with modified title bar buttons, and a slightly thicker bottom bar that's easier to grab to resize windows that don't have a "resize handle"
[00:06] <schnitz> looks good to me
[00:06] <schnitz> looks like MaxOSX
[00:06] <schnitz> Mac
[00:06] <schnitz> sorry
[00:06] <schnitz> good job
[00:07] <delt> it still lets you position the buttons like you want them, i just have to write a spec file that fixes them into place like in the real osx =)
[00:07] <schnitz> However, you will hate me for this, I'm kinda nuts, I like the REALLY old Windows style, like XP or ever earlier, Win2000
[00:07] <delt> anyway here it is ---> http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/greybird-mac.tar.gz
[00:07] <delt> just untar it to your /usr/share/themes
[00:07] <schnitz> oh yes I will do that
[00:08] <delt> then in the settings manager -> window manager, under the "style" tab select "Greybird-mac"
[00:10] <delt> for example, if you use firefox and it downloaded the file to your "Downloads" directory...
[00:10] <schnitz> haha I do not have the rights to do so :-)
[00:10] <schnitz> yeah yeah did that
[00:10] <delt> yeah, by default it shouldn't let you
[00:10] <schnitz> so? oh... sudo?
[00:10] <delt> so, first you'd go to /usr/share/themes
[00:10] <delt> cd /usr/share/themes
[00:10] <schnitz> terminal...
[00:10] <delt> then with sudo, untar the file that's in your download directory
[00:11] <delt> sudo tar xvf ~/Downloads/greybird-mac.tar.gz
[00:11] <delt> note that in the terminal, the TAB key is your friend :D
[00:11] <schnitz> geeeh this is nuts, but yes I'll do that
[00:11] <schnitz> found out about the TAB :-)
[00:11] <delt> you just have to type the beginning of a file, command, etc. and press TAB, the shell (by default bash) will try to auto-complete it for you.
[00:12] <delt> ...or, if you're more comfortable with GUI stuff, there's surely a way to drag-n-drop with the mouse
[00:14] <delt> a trick i use, is that i have my main user account added to the group "root" ....ie. in my /etc/group, the line that starts with "root", usually the first line, contains my username at the end
[00:14] <delt> so if i want my user to have permission to write somewhere, i just activate the group write permision
[00:14] <delt> permission**
[00:14] <schnitz> weird got a FileNotFound
[00:14] <schnitz> under terminal
[00:14] <delt> cd /usr/share/themes
[00:14] <schnitz> the package is in download though
[00:14] <schnitz> yeah
[00:15] <schnitz> I'm in themes
[00:15] <delt> tar xvf ~/DowPRESS TAB/grePRESS TAB AGAIN
[00:15] <schnitz> ok...
[00:15] <schnitz> wait a sec
[00:15] <delt> when you press tab, it should auto-complete the file, directory, etc.
[00:15] <schnitz> nope
[00:15] <schnitz> the first tab won't even complete to downloads
[00:15] <delt> oh, it's case sensitive: "downloads" is not the same as "Downloads"
[00:16] <schnitz> ah
[00:16] <schnitz> nope
[00:16] <delt> that's one thing about unix systems that's both very useful, but sometimes a pain in the ass
[00:16] <schnitz> same
[00:16] <schnitz> maybe 'cos I'm root?
[00:16] <delt> oh *duh*
[00:16] <delt> in bash, ~ is a shorthand for your home directory
[00:17] <delt> and ~user is a shorthand for the home directory of "user"
[00:17] <schnitz> ahhh
[00:17] <schnitz> so -myUserName/Down... does is
[00:17] <schnitz> it
[00:17] <schnitz> lemme check
[00:18] <delt> ~ (tilde) not - (dash)
[00:18] <schnitz> yep
[00:18] <schnitz> gotit!
[00:18] <delt> and it should also work just with ~ and not ~yourusername because in ubuntu by default, sudo doesn't modify the $HOME variable
[00:19] <delt> yep, ~ on a U.S. keyboard layout is shift + the button just under ESC
[00:20] <schnitz> ok got it unpacked
[00:20] <schnitz> thansk for your patience :-)
[00:20] <delt> :D
[00:20] <schnitz> so where can I activate it again...?
[00:20] <delt> hey, i learned the basics too before :D
[00:21] <schnitz> switch to your cool theme?
[00:21] <delt> settings manager, click "window manager"
[00:21] <delt> and the theme is called "Greybird-mac"
[00:22] <delt> i just hacked that together (simply modified Greybird actually) because i was futzing around with osx lately, and got used to clicking in the top left to close a window =)
[00:22] <schnitz> yeah clicked on it
[00:22] <schnitz> but...
[00:23] <delt> but...?
[00:23] <schnitz> do I need to re-login?
[00:23] <delt> no, should take effect immediately
[00:23] <schnitz> didn't change
[00:23] <schnitz> lemme check again
[00:23] <schnitz> oh weird
[00:24] <schnitz> all the other themes change immediately
[00:24] <schnitz> just yours doesn't
[00:24] <delt> uh wut :D
[00:24] <schnitz> it stay Greybird
[00:24] <schnitz> I had greybird
[00:24] <schnitz> before
[00:24] <schnitz> and I clicked on it
[00:24] <schnitz> on yours...
[00:24] <schnitz> and its still greybird
[00:24] <schnitz> exactly the same
[00:24] <delt> Greybird-mac appears in the list?
[00:24] <schnitz> r u sure your theme is portable, yes appears!
[00:25] <schnitz> right below greybird there is your greybird-mac
[00:25] <delt> can you send a screenshot?
[00:26] <schnitz> nope,. no e-mail client installed, but if you wait a little, I'll set it up
[00:26] <schnitz> it looks just like greybird, u can image
[00:26] <delt> bah, you know how to send files on irc?
[00:26] <schnitz> imagine
[00:26] <schnitz> actually no
[00:27] <delt> but the buttons on the top, they're colored circles, instead of grey X _ and [] ?
[00:27] <schnitz> nono
[00:27] <schnitz> would have noticed
[00:27] <schnitz> normal grey X, etc.
[00:28] <schnitz> so
[00:28] <schnitz> looking back at the terminal window
[00:28] <schnitz> I can see that it did unpack lots of PNGs
[00:28] <schnitz> I guess those are the ones that will make it look like MACOSX
[00:29] <schnitz> maybe there is a path problem
[00:29] <delt> yeah, works for several ppl in #xfce...
[00:29] <delt> lemme check my file again
[00:29] <schnitz> sure it does
[00:30] <delt> just unpacked it to another dir, seems to work fine....
[00:31] <schnitz> hmmm....
[00:32] <delt> asking the guys on #xfce to send me a screenshot to make sure =)
[00:32] <schnitz> :-)
[00:33] <delt> anyway.... not very important.
[00:33] <schnitz> damn I still need to get those drivers to run, that flickering screen is killing me
[00:33] <schnitz> still cool though
[00:33] <delt> can you paste the output of this command: ls -d /usr/share/themes/Grey*
[00:34] <delt> (just select in the terminal and middle-click in irc)
[00:35] <delt> just don't paste pages and pages of stuff in the channel :D
[00:36] <schnitz> /usr/share/themes/Greybird          /usr/share/themes/Greybird-mac
[00:36] <schnitz> /usr/share/themes/Greybird-compact
[00:36] <delt> ok, so it extracted to the right place.
[00:36] <schnitz> yeah
[00:37] <schnitz> kinda nutty, ha?
[00:37] <delt> weird!!
[00:37] <schnitz> yep
[00:37] <delt> try taking a screenshot: xfce4-screenshooter
[00:38] <schnitz> copy to clipboard?
[00:39] <delt> here's someone else using it: http://i.imgur.com/k9Rvm0f.png
[00:39] <delt> nah, save to file
[00:39] <schnitz> ok
[00:39] <schnitz> now?
[00:40] <delt> oh - first select Greybird-mac in the window manager settings
[00:40] <schnitz> sure
[00:40] <delt> then run xfce4-screenshooter, grab whole screen, save
[00:40] <schnitz> donw
[00:40] <schnitz> done
[00:40] <delt> enter, say, /tmp/screen.png
[00:40] <delt> then in irc, /dcc send delt /tmp/screen.png (that will send me the file)
[00:40] <schnitz> saved it on my desktop
[00:41] <schnitz> ah cool
[00:41] <delt> ok, now /dcc send delt ~/Desktop/filename.png
[00:41] <delt> or you can use xchat's GUI to do the same, i'm not really familiar with it... i think, right click on my name, then send file....?
[00:41] <delt> i'm more of a command line kind of guy (:
[00:42] <schnitz> funny
[00:42] <schnitz> error 17: File Already Exists
[00:42] <delt> uh wut.. when trying to send?
[00:42] <schnitz> after the DCC command, yes
[00:42] <schnitz> called it test.png
[00:43] <delt> so, /dcc send delt ~/Desktop/test.png
[00:43] <delt> gives you an error?
[00:43] <schnitz> nono
[00:43] <schnitz> you should have it now
[00:44] <schnitz> that was my mistake, nevermind
[00:44] <delt> oops, can you send again :D
[00:44] <delt> sorry
[00:44] <schnitz> sure
[00:44] <delt> ...and that was -my- mistake, hehehee
[00:44] <delt> ah, ok got it
[00:44] <schnitz> don't be confused, its in german
[00:45] <delt> bist du eigentlich aus deutschland?
[00:46] <delt> ich wohnte 4 jahren in deutschland als ich kleines kind war :D
[00:46] <delt> mein Vater war in der Luftwaft von Kanada, und er wurde 4 Jahren in Lahr, West-Deutschland gestellt
[00:47] <delt> kurtz nach ich geboren war
[00:47] <delt> aber seit langem hab ich mit niemand auf deutsch gesprochen
[00:48] <delt> ich bin aus Montréal, Canada (ursprunglich in Ottawa geboren)
[00:49] <schnitz> cool :-)
[00:49] <schnitz> ja ich bin aus Muenchen
[00:49] <schnitz> und habe freunde in Montreal
[00:49] <delt> wirklich :D
[00:49] <schnitz> munichagain.tumblr.com
[00:49] <delt> ich guck es jetzt...
[00:49] <schnitz> mach mal
[00:50] <delt> guck oder schau? welches wuerde man sagen?
[00:50] <schnitz> beides geht
[00:50] <delt> ah ok
[00:52] <delt> weird, dein bildschirm zeigt das default-thema für ubuntu-studio, wenn "Greybird-mac" ausgewahlt ist
[00:52] <delt> oh i forgot, sorry....
[00:52] <delt> !de | delt
[00:53] <delt> !de | schnitz
[00:53] <schnitz> haha...
[00:53] <delt> yeah just realized, sorry :3
[00:53] <schnitz> ubottu: duuuude... delt got my into german :-)
[00:54] <schnitz> sure sure
[00:54] <delt> hehe
[00:54] <schnitz> gotta love bots
[00:54] <delt> yeah my fault (:
[00:54] <schnitz> no prob
[00:54] <delt> anyway, when you select another theme, it shows on screen?
[00:56] <delt> can you type in a terminal: find /usr/share/themes > /tmp/find.txt and then in irc /dcc send delt /tmp/find.txt please?
[00:57] <schnitz> yes any other themes switches on immediately
[00:57] <schnitz> willdo
[00:59] <delt> (oh, that will overwrite any file named "find.txt" in your /tmp directory, sorry should have mentioned :3
[00:59] <delt> )
[01:00] <schnitz> no worries, nothing there....
[01:00] <schnitz> I have nothing sensitive on my ubuntu system
[01:00] <schnitz> I'm just checking it out, a still have 2 serious hardware issues
[01:00] <schnitz> grafics and soundcard
[01:01] <delt> what sound card?
[01:01] <schnitz> RME Hammerfall DSP
[01:01] <delt> usb?
[01:01] <schnitz> its a special card for multi-track recording, now on PCI
[01:01] <schnitz> but there I think the card has a real issue
[01:02] <schnitz> OR my system has not enough power
[01:02] <delt> ah ok.... yeah you're in the right channel for that right here, but i'm not familiar with that card
[01:02] <schnitz> only using 300W right now
[01:02] <schnitz> I had a long discussion on that before
[01:02] <schnitz> :-)
[01:03] <schnitz> enough trouble-shooting for today
[01:03] <schnitz> but its fun
[01:03] <schnitz> not real result, but met lots of nice people :-)))
[01:03] <delt> anyway, can you do in terminal cd /usr/share/themes; tar czvf /tmp/grey.tar.gz and then in irc /dcc send delt /tmp/grey.tar.gz for me?
[01:03] <schnitz> sure, hang on
[01:04] <delt> the "find" result looks ok to me..
[01:05] <schnitz> r u sure
[01:05] <schnitz> archive empty?
[01:05] <delt> uh.... *duh*
[01:05] <delt> anyway, can you do in terminal cd /usr/share/themes; tar czvf /tmp/grey.tar.gz Greybird-mac and then in irc /dcc send delt /tmp/grey.tar.gz for me?
[01:05] <delt> sorry
[01:05] <delt> :)
[01:05] <schnitz> that makes more sense
[01:06] <delt> indeed :3
[01:06] <delt> i aer stipud
[01:06] <delt> :D
[01:08] <delt> the whole directory matches -exactly- plus i just tested the files you sent back to me, and i get the theme on my screen
[01:09] <delt> [pts/14][user@phobos]:/tmp/asdfasdf$ diff ./Greybird-mac/ /usr/share/themes/Greybird-mac/
[01:09] <delt> (shows only common subdirectories)
[01:10] <delt> can you try: xfwm4 --version and tell me what the first line says?
[01:10] <delt> should be something similar to: 	This is xfwm4 version 4.11.1 (revision 2b800f4) for Xfce 4.10
[01:11] <schnitz> ok
[01:11] <delt> hint: in most terminals, triple click selects whole lines
[01:11] <schnitz> 	This is xfwm4 version 4.11.2 (revision cfa3c47) for Xfce 4.10
[01:11] <schnitz> 	Released under the terms of the GNU General Public License.
[01:11] <schnitz> 	Compiled against GTK+-2.24.24, using GTK+-2.24.25.
[01:11] <delt> then you can middle click in xchat's input box to paste
[01:12] <delt> ok.... what if you logout and then log back in?
[01:12] <delt> (with the Greybird-mac theme selected in window manager settings)
[01:13] <schnitz> lemme check
[01:15] <schnitz> nope
[01:15] <delt> normally you can stick themes in your /usr/share/themes and just select them ...they take effect immediately, at least for xfce's window manager
[01:15] <schnitz> Greybird-mac is still selected
[01:15] <schnitz> but still the same default style
[01:16] <delt> weird thing is, here's someone in france testing it: http://i.imgur.com/k9Rvm0f.png ...so it works at least for "some" people
[01:16] <schnitz> after logging off / on
[01:16] <schnitz> well well... I'm off now
[01:16] <schnitz> been great
[01:16] <schnitz> thanks for all help... I learned ALOT
[01:16] <delt> :D
[01:16] <schnitz> sure to see you around, I'll be back
[01:17] <delt> okie..... auf weiderchatten :D
[01:17] <schnitz> until I get my linux recording suite working I feels its gonna take a while and I'll be here :-)
[01:17] <schnitz> gruesse aus muenchen
[01:17] <schnitz> bye
[01:17] <delt> well, i'll be here to help the best i can... but i think holstein will do a better job for most things
[01:18] <schnitz> cool, cu :-)
[01:18] <delt> oh --- can you try one last thing?
[01:18] <delt> fck
[16:50] <schnitz> hey delt...
[17:29] <delt> Hello
[17:30] <delt> sorry i just came back home
[17:43] <schnitz> no rush... rehi delt
[17:53] <delt> hewwo :D
[23:54] <Barkhlet> anyone on?
[23:57] <Barkhlet> Looking for some help for days, my job is on the line because of this freaking distro