[04:54] <jimmyd> whats is the open topic chanal again I just got e verything running in utopic unicorn and though i had too search around  its allworking fine
[04:55] <holstein> !ot
[04:55] <holstein> jimmyd: is that what you mean?
[04:55] <jimmyd> yes
[05:01] <cq-aux> hey guys, I'm on trusty, just had an update, got two battery monitors now
[07:17] <wlxmhls> hello! xubuntu 14.10 turns blank after 10 min while watching flash video. how can i disable blank while playing it?
[07:26] <wlxmhls> help!
[07:29] <cfhowlett_> !help | wlxmhls
[08:57] <Rafal_Shellmaste> !help
[11:32] <daychilde> Good morning. I come here in a panic because I appear to have lost the partition xubuntu is installed on. Booted, got grub rescue. Googled, did ls and tried to find boot on each of the three, but got unknown file system. Now Im booted to a livecd (which goes extremely slow on this old computer) and I see the ntfs partition on the hard drive, but not the xubuntu one. Started Gparted and it has been searching for about 15 minutes, s
[11:32] <daychilde> 3 showing ni grub rescue were (hd0), (hd0,msdos2) and ...msdos1
[11:33] <daychilde> gparted is ";searching /dev/sda partitions"
[11:34] <daychilde> sorry for typing, on a tiny bluetooth keyboard on my kindle. heh
[11:34] <daychilde> I'm not a bad Windows dude historically, but I'm rather a Linux newbie. Been using xubuntu for my OS for about a year now, learning slowly.
[11:37] <daychilde> Aww, everyone's asleep on a Sunday morning. lol
[11:39] <daychilde> Up to 20 minutes on gparted searching. How long before I should give up? lol
[11:43] <nanogeek> daychile are you using the CLI?
[11:43] <nanogeek> daychilde are you using the CLI?
[11:44] <daychilde> At the moment, booted into livecd
[11:44] <daychilde> with gparted now at 25min searching. heh
[11:48] <nanogeek> this means that you can boot with your ubuntu?
[11:48] <nanogeek> this means that you can't boot with your ubuntu?
[11:48] <nanogeek> sorry
[11:49] <daychilde> No worries, sorry to be verbose. Right, booting computer without livecd, it boots to grub rescue, and all three listed partitions say unknown file system
[11:50] <daychilde> if you specifically mean ubuntu as opposed to xubuntu, don'lt have one, but can make one
[11:51] <daychilde> I know they're using NTFS because I was dual-booting windows
[12:04] <nanogeek> daychilde have a look here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc_y7OYzXtQ
[12:07] <daychilde> Had found something similar, though they said to set boot to whichever one /boot existed on, which was none of my three. If I try each one, will I harm anything? If not, I'll give it a go :)
[12:09] <daychilde> What I'd found said to do "ls", which returned the three results I mentioned above. Then it said to do, e.g. "ls (hd0)/boot" to find which one had boot, but each on returned unknown file system for me, so I stopped...
[12:14] <daychilde> Just did more googling and found the "set" command, which reveals that cmdpath=(hd0), prefix=(hd0)/boot/grub, root=hd0
[12:14] <daychilde> So I just ran: set boot=(hd0)
[12:15] <daychilde> then ran: insmod normal
[12:15] <daychilde> which returned: error: unknown filesystem
[12:15] <daychilde> running set again shows that boot is now = to (hd0)
[12:16] <daychilde> rebooting returns me to grub rescue
[12:22] <daychilde> So to be clear: boot entry was missing, but now set again, and prefix indicated which of the three partitions to use, I assume.... although still unknown file system (which is known to be ntfs)
[12:26] <brainwash> daychilde: how is this a xubuntu problem? maybe try #grub and/or ##windows
[12:26] <daychilde> Because I'm a newbie and I don't know what's related to what. It'ls not a Windows problem for sure, I haven't booted into Windows for months. But I'll give #grub a go, thanks
[12:28] <brainwash> xubuntu issues are mainly specific to the actual desktop environment
[12:28] <brainwash> maybe you could also ask in #ubuntu
[12:29] <daychilde> ok, thank you
[12:29] <brainwash> :)
[13:43] <xubuntu843> hello
[14:20] <xubuntu51i> gateway error 55500
[14:20] <xubuntu51i> Comment allez-vous ?
[14:22] <Chromtrast> I'm french.
[14:23] <knome> !fr | Chromtrast
[14:23] <Chromtrast> It's not problem.
[14:24] <Chromtrast> ubottu > Do you speak french ? :o:
[14:24] <Chromtrast> Oki.
[14:24] <knome> then please explain where you have that error
[14:24] <Chromtrast> knome > It's just when i am online but It's resolved
[14:25] <knome> ok
[14:31] <_littleb> hi people, I have a problem with transfering files to my htc. I get VERY slow rates and thunar gets very laggy. Any idea y?
[14:34] <Chromtrast> !en Chromtrast
[14:34] <Chromtrast> !fr Chromtrast
[15:17] <Chromtrast> Reuh.
[15:17] <daychilde> About to reinstall xubuntu from livecd. Previously had trouble with boot partition being too small, so I was thinking of creating the partitions myself, but I'm a newbie and reading online I'm not sure what to do. Anyone have time to advice me what partitions to create, perchance?
[15:19] <xangua> I just make a root and a home partition
[15:20] <daychilde> so... say... a gig for root... ext4?, then the rest for /home also ext4?
[15:22] <daychilde> or actually.... /home should be not that large, and... I know I sound dumb, but just new... root should have a decent amount of space....
[15:23] <Chromtrast> I like Xubuntu on VirtualBox. :)
[15:30] <kasad> aloha
[15:31] <kasad> I suddenly seem to have free 100GB partition (friend's setup, some reqs changed) that was ntfs, which I would like to format to ext4 and mount as /home
[15:31] <kasad> do I just format it, mount it somewhere as say tmphome, rsync with home, edit fstab and reboot
[15:31] <kasad> considering that homedir is encrypted, does that have anything to do with it
[16:04] <kasad> so guys, any tips on moving encrypted home dir to new partition
[16:16] <flux242> kasad: disable encryption, rsync, enable encryption
[16:24] <kasad> flux242: can you point me how to disable encryption (first time I ever used it)
[16:24] <kasad> I don't care if I lose it tbh
[16:24] <kasad> or is it readily available (alt tabbing and googling)
[16:25] <flux242> you better google for the precise description of doing that. I'm sure google knows
[16:25] <kasad> oh, basically just copy it
[16:25] <kasad> and encryption is gone
[16:26] <kasad> (from another user preferably)
[20:06] <xubuntu12o> hello any one ca i install Xubuntu in my server linux ? withaut additional hardware ?
[20:08] <xubuntu12o> can Xubuntu install on my VPS (OpneVZ) ?
[20:12] <kasad> guys help me out here
[20:12] <kasad> last thing I did was: sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[20:12] <kasad> LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
[20:12] <kasad> and rebooted
[20:13] <kasad> and now I get login prompt, I enter correct pass, then i get 1 sec like it's loading then  1-2 sec of black screen and back to login prompt
[20:13] <kasad> (other accounts login fine)
[20:13] <kasad> where do I start to look for fubar
[21:18] <holstein> kasad: your xfce session
[21:19] <holstein> kasad: the one for the "account" that is failing, which, i assume means one specific user
[21:32] <kasad>   holstein:  thanks, fixed it, was root user
[21:32] <holstein> !root
[21:32] <holstein> kasad: you shouldnt have a root user.. and should consider leaving it stock.. with sudo
[21:33] <kasad>   yeah dunno what i was thinking
[21:33] <kasad> thing is
[21:33] <kasad> I made horrible mistake, I am doing this as a favour to friend
[21:34] <kasad> (and his mom, it's a little off topic story, he's great guy, I owe him much, always helping everyone, and he is currently being targeted politically in media because he is on the shortlist for becoming basically 2nd man in police in my country
[21:35] <holstein> !ot
[21:35] <kasad> so corrupt politicians are now smearing his name in the media, he even got arrested for one morning)
[21:35] <kasad> and his mom is worried sick, so he asked me to fix one secure machine for him and for his mom to use as well
[21:35] <kasad> so stupidly I enabled encrypt home dir when I was installing xubuntu
[21:36] <kasad> (i said a little OT, it's a bit related)
[21:36] <holstein> kasad: reagardless, none of that matters.. security is a balance between convenience and safety
[21:36] <kasad> yeah, and now, he agreed that we kill his old winxp install on which his mom is used
[21:36] <kasad> and I virtualized it
[21:36] <kasad> and now I got 100 GB partition that I would like to mount as /home
[21:37] <kasad> but as you can guess, encrypted home dir is obstacle
[21:37] <kasad> I found like 5-6 guides, every single one is different
[21:38] <kasad> and I know that swap is also encrypted, so I dunno what to expect, and I spent like last 15 hours configuring everything, everything is ready, VM is finally working (after he agreed to let me virtualize XP)
[21:38] <kasad> and now I don't know what to do :S
[21:39] <kasad> I mean, i configured everything, from tons of software, their cloud storage accounts, chromium/chrome/firefox extensions
[21:39] <kasad> every single thing
[21:39] <kasad> and now I risk losing everything :S
[21:40] <holstein> kasad: well, you lose everything, since all hard drives fail..
[21:41] <kasad> so holstein if you have some tip how to disable encryption of home dir I would be most grateful, he is waiting for machine (actually his mom is) I've been doing this whole day (and good part of the night before)
[21:41] <kasad> why oh why did I enable homedir encryption
[21:42] <drc> kasad: If security is the most important factor (as it sounds), I'd cut my losses, start all over and do it correctly.  Otherwise you run the chance of leaving a big hole you don't know about.
[21:43] <holstein> yes.. i agree with drc .. reinstall, start fresh properly..
[21:43] <holstein> kasad: you need to think about what encryption does, and if you even need it
[21:44] <holstein> kasad: encryption, for example, doesnt do anything when the user is logged in, the partition or drive is open and in use, and the the user is compromised
[21:45] <drc> The only thing that would cause me to encrypt would be a really good chance that someone I didn't want would have physical access to the computer itself.
[21:45] <drc> Plus what holstein said^
[21:45] <kasad> yeap, so no point in encryption, I didn't reasearch, I mean I know for that option for like years, never tried it
[21:46] <kasad> and he absolutely doesn't need it
[21:46] <drc> Live and learn, especially the last :)
[21:46] <kasad> because I will provide him with a vpn, since we don't hide anything from the world
[21:47] <kasad> sec coffee
[21:47] <holstein> kasad: what a VPN do?
[21:47] <holstein> kasad: you are trusting your VPN server.. the copper where you are and where the VPN is.
[21:48] <holstein> kasad: you really need to research *all* of these tools, and understand the actual risk
[21:48] <holstein> kasad: setup these things, and try and break them.. see what you are trusting, and how.. and why.. what do you own? and who can "touch" the path or the connection
[21:49] <holstein> kasad: you can /join a security channel for more information, but, the best take away for you is.. trust no one.. and nothing
[21:50] <holstein> kasad: anytime you have a sentence that goes "im afraid.." address that fear, and remove it
[21:50] <holstein> kasad: it may be, your "friend" cant use the internet, and shouldnt.. and shouldnt be online at all
[21:51] <kasad> well, he is only lets say "informately" surfing
[21:52] <kasad> his mother is worried sick and is following every news article, his FB support page etc etc
[21:52] <kasad> other means of posting content
[21:52] <kasad> I mean aside the interviews and what newspapers/tv usually spew
[21:53] <holstein> kasad: none of that negates any of the facts
[21:53] <holstein> kasad: if *anyone* is online, they are exposed
[21:53] <kasad> I completely agree with you
[21:53] <holstein> kasad: the only sure way to be "safe" online is to get offline.. that being said, there are steps you can take, and tools you can use. but, you have to research them
[21:54] <kasad> but thing is, I can't devote myself 24/7, tomorrow afternoon, I am traveling with fiancee to capitol, for important medical exam
[21:54] <holstein> kasad: sure.. so, you quote a rate, and leave the job as you can do it..
[21:54] <kasad> no, this is all his friends, we do everything to support him
[21:55] <kasad> you can give fb like if you want, at fb page is called "pravda za zorana brdjanina" (means justice for Zoran Brdjanin)
[21:56] <kasad> completely voluntary, his friends, people whose life he touched in some way, because he is really awesome guy, always helping, always with a smile, always trying to do good
[21:56] <holstein> kasad: you get what you pay for.. make no guarantees, state the risks..
[21:57] <kasad> I am actually music producer, kinda retired, I can write some code, just due to sheer volume of years spent using the computers
[21:59] <kasad> so my knowledge is next to none compared to you guys, never did any of this professionally, I mean I did some small things, but I am faaar from expert on the subject, and this being specific surrounding, we don't have the people who can do things that are required to be as safe as possible
[22:00] <holstein> kasad: the facts are searchable
[22:00] <holstein> kasad: you research each step...
[22:00] <holstein> kasad: safe as possible is *not* the goal.. safe as needed is
[22:01] <holstein> kasad: as i stated, and you can see no one disagrees, and you wont search and find one that disagrees, safe as possible is to get offline
[22:01] <holstein> kasad: other than that, if all the man wants is to search the internet, give him a live cd.. tails, and dont save *anything* ever.. take the hard drive out of the computer
[22:01] <holstein> use something like lastpass.. research 2 factor authentication.. dont trust it either.. etc
[22:02] <kasad> how? I am like most tech savvy person from the crew, and he needs to read news (this isn't meant for posting content), and his mother is worried sick
[22:02] <kasad> yeah that was the plan for her account
[22:02] <holstein> kasad: sure.. address the worry with education
[22:03] <holstein> kasad: you need to thin this out, and address the issues and the people one at a time.. stop trying to please everyone completely.. sometimes "no" *is* the answer
[22:03] <kasad>  ramen
[22:03] <kasad> oh well 25 min till backup is complete
[22:04] <kasad> then I try to mount free partition as /home, if it dies, another night w/o sleep, have to, tomorrow we (me and fiancee) are traveling to hospital, and will be absent for three days
[22:05] <kasad> and I need to return him laptop till then
[22:06] <holstein> kasad: you seem to be assuming encrypting the home partition makes him safer online
[22:06] <holstein> kasad: it doesnt
[22:07] <holstein> kasad: the "best" would be, as i stated, remove the hard drive.. dont let him save *anything* ever.. and use tails.. its made for that
[22:07] <kasad> i know, I don't assume, it was stupid mistake when I was installing, then I read about it and figured it is pointless
[22:07] <kasad> but this is not the box for posting content anyway, just reading news sites that are public
[22:07] <drc> +1  Live DVD, no hdd...start over when you get back and have time to research what you really want/need.
[22:08] <holstein> https://tails.boum.org/
[22:09] <holstein> kasad: its not a "stupid mistake".. its an assumption.. its the wrong tool for the job
[22:10] <kasad> it is stupid tho, because it offers no benefit and now it made me waste hours and hours trying to figure how to mount new /home partition
[22:10] <drc> And from it sounds like, Tails was/is the <right> tool for you/him/her.
[22:10] <kasad> reading up now
[22:10] <kasad> I was thinking of something like that for posting
[22:11] <kasad> I am not admin of fb page, it is some women, wife of another policeman, she is refusing any suggestions, so we are kinda losing momentum, so google+ page needs to be up asap
[22:12] <holstein> kasad: fb is also not the right tool
[22:12] <kasad> I should have all the content ready when I am back, and I was thinking of using tor and/or vpn for posting
[22:12] <kasad> well, I have nothing to do with it, it was the outraged people
[22:12] <kasad> who started the page
[22:13] <holstein> kasad: sure, so you say "you are causing a security issue with that tool, and i cant help you with that"
[22:13] <holstein> kasad: "no" *is* the answer, sometimes.. as i said
[22:13] <kasad> neither him or me have no control over fb page
[22:13] <kasad> it's completely fan driven
[22:13] <holstein> kasad: then, its nothing you have to touch, at all ..ever
[22:13] <kasad> which is good in it's own way
[22:13] <holstein> kasad: and, its irrelevant
[22:14] <drc> then don't use it (the fb page)
[22:14] <kasad> only if (she) didn't started slacking last couple days
[22:15] <kasad> we don't, never posted anything there, still gathered over 1500 likes in 2 days with 0$ spent, which is considering that over the year (when it's not summer season) there are like 5000-10000 people in the city is awesome
[22:15] <kasad> but then she stopped posting, and he needs any media attention he can get
[22:15] <holstein> kasad: mom? who is worried?
[22:16] <kasad> his mom, wife mostly, they read, and they can read, as long as him, or me don't touch anything there
[22:16] <holstein> kasad: that is a case for education..
[22:16] <kasad> forget about it
[22:16] <kasad> this is montenegro
[22:17] <holstein> kasad: its *you* who cant forget about it.. you are asking, and discussion security..
[22:17] <holstein> disscussing*
[22:17] <kasad> we are like 30 years behind the world, and people like his mom, or my mom are barely able to open fb and it won't change soon
[22:18] <holstein> kasad: then, they shouldnt be using the tools.. period.. you know this
[22:18] <kasad> well I have pretty good idea (still need more research) what to do when we need to post content (or email it to certain reporters)
[22:18] <holstein> kasad: anyways. this is *way* offtopic, and im happy to discuss in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel..
[22:18] <kasad> let's move there
[22:19] <kasad> and right now I am not that worried about security, I am more worried about mounting this stupid partition and somehow disabling homedir encryption to be honest
[22:20] <holstein> just backup, as you should regardless, and reinsatll
[22:20] <kasad> 9 mins remaining
[22:20] <kasad> you think all guides to disable homedir encryption are flukes?
[22:21] <kasad> everyone suggests slightly different thing
[22:22] <kasad> I was thinking simply format the newly available partition as ext4, mount is temporary somewhere, rsync, edit fstab, reboot and profit
[22:22] <holstein> kasad: i didnt say that.. im saying, i think i would spend more time fiddling with that, and i can just resinsatll and do it properly in minutes
[22:23] <kasad> but configuring all software, extensions, (i put 3 different browsers because I am unsure which she will prefer), set everything I could think of to make her transition to linux smoother because she really isn't tech savvy
[22:23] <kasad> I can't do that in minutes, it takes hours
[22:23] <kasad> for me at least
[22:23] <holstein> you need those backed up regardless
[22:24] <holstein> that hard drive is going to fail.. back up the configs for everything
[22:24] <kasad> yeah, I have everything backed up, just that I had to convert vmware machine for virtualbox
[22:25] <kasad> and now that it's set up, that backup is eating most of the time, rest is backed up already
[22:25] <holstein> kasad: if you have "everything" backed up, then, it doesnt take hours to put the configs back in place
[22:26] <kasad> it takes almost 2 hours to copy his vm (old laptop, no gigabit network connection)
[22:26] <holstein> why do it over a network, at all.. that is also a security issue ;)
[22:27] <kasad> well, it's not _that_ hardcore :), as I said we are like 30 years lagging behind the world
[22:28] <holstein> then, you accept the compromise
[22:28] <kasad> he is the only cop in the country (who btw passed all positions in his career, from apprentice, to station chief) with FBI training (invited by US gvmt, and completed training with honors)
[22:29] <kasad> he was basically picked for fighting against corruption
[22:30] <kasad> and now the "machine" is sticking it to him, smearing his public image, and he is 100% clean and honest.
[22:32] <kasad> can you imagine this, he is being charged with corruption, for something he had to do upon insisting of high ranking gvmt official in the city he was chief of police, which was, prolong working visa for 7 physical workers who were finishing daycare center for persons with disability...
[22:33] <kasad> as someone in the news commented (since that official was highest ranking member of ruling political party in the city), what would happen if he refused? (we are aware that whole thing was a setup)
[22:34] <kasad> backup complete
[22:34] <kasad> now to decide upon one of 4634643 methods I found and hope for the best. (any tips welcome)
[22:35] <kasad> (btw tails rocks)
[22:35] <kasad> as far as I read which isn't much
[22:39] <holstein> kasad: there are many tips.. you just have to research, and try.. there is no one single answer, or tool.. or way to accomplish this
[22:41] <kasad> holstein: how this looks to you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#How_to_Remove_an_Encrypted_Private_Directory_Setup
[23:53] <holstein> kasad: as i said, for me, personally, i feel i can do it, both quicker, and more reliably, by reinstalling and building what i want from scratch.. but, it really doesnt matter how it looks to me