[01:01] <mjayk> Haya all
[01:29] <daftykins> o/
[04:39] <mapp> hi all
[07:07] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:49] <MooDoo> hows everyont this morning?
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: amused by confusion :)
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Today is the start of "Week 1 of 2015", and people can't wrap their heads around that :)
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> (the ISO week-year is the year that 4 or more days in a week fall in.. and weeks start on Monday)
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:23] <MooDoo> :)
[09:26] <knightwise> morning everyone !
[09:26] <knightwise> hows everybody doing today ?
[09:26] <MooDoo> not too bad thanks, what about you
[09:26] <MooDoo> ?
[09:27] <knightwise> doin ok , finishing up some preparations on the next podcast episode on Chromebooks
[09:27] <knightwise> + just ordered me a raspberry pi to play with
[09:28] <MooDoo> lovely
[09:28] <knightwise> Just put my macbook air up for sale
[09:28] <MooDoo> not into it? or just want the monet?
[09:29] <knightwise> I was using the machine as my linux laptop , but the Chromebook can do all those things too
[09:29] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:29] <knightwise> and I don't have to worry about it getting nicked
[09:29] <knightwise> + The MBA is going on 2 years , time to sell it off
[09:29] <knightwise> morning brobostigon
[09:30] <MooDoo> knightwise: which chromebook as I was thinking about one of them....
[09:30] <knightwise> THe nice thing about the chromebook is , i can take it to work with me without thinking about dropping it or having it get stolen from the car
[09:30] <knightwise> I have the Acer C730 ,
[09:30] <knightwise> Wrote up a series on the blog about my experiences so far
[09:31] <knightwise> you might want to read the first article of the series
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning kn	/win 14
[09:37] <knightwise> whaw
[09:37] <knightwise> i think i just sold the MBAir
[09:37] <knightwise> the add was up like for about 10 minutes
[09:39] <awilkins> Well, they are a nice bit of gear
[09:43] <knightwise> true
[09:43] <knightwise> but their value goes done a bit quicker then the value of a macbook pro
[09:43] <knightwise> I sold that one after 3 years for 2/3rd of the original price
[09:57] <MooDoo> woohoo photography backdrop purchased
[10:00] <Azelphur> lol, I have a pretty funny way of heating my office in the mornings, 2kw wall radiator plus a 2kw space heater plus 1kw of bitcoin mining equipment for total effective heating of 5kw
[10:00] <Azelphur> go from 15 to 21c in about 5 minutes \o/
[10:02] <awilkins> Azelphur, Do you make a profit on the bitcoin?
[10:02] <Azelphur> awilkins: no, but it makes for great subsidised heating, I mostly run during the day and just use the normal heaters to provide that morning boost to bring it up to temperature
[10:02] <awilkins> I realise this is a bit like asking an oil baron if he thinks petroleum is awesome
[10:03] <Azelphur> my hardware is old now
[10:03] <Azelphur> only makes like 20% of what it costs to run it, but hey, that's 20% off heating :)
[10:04] <awilkins> Yeah, myself I thought the notion of hosted mining was probably better
[10:04] <awilkins> But I never really got into them
[10:04] <awilkins> Just kicked myself a bit for not mining a few when they were a few cents apiece
[10:04] <Azelphur> yea
[10:05] <Azelphur> AC68U is on offer atm, kinda tempting...spent so much money recently though :/
[10:05] <Azelphur> but I want a new router for the summer so I can beam wifi onto the beach
[10:05] <awilkins> My office is freezing, you're tempting me
[10:05] <awilkins> I don't have a beach, just a cemetary
[10:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[10:06] <Azelphur> I could probably be coaxed into selling mine
[11:05] <knightwise> Time to reinstall my Macbook Air
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> at least these days you can maintain connection to web on multitude of other devices while it's happening
[11:09] <knightwise> true :)
[11:13] <knightwise> using shellinabox in combination with Byobu
[11:13] <knightwise> pretty convenient !
[11:41] <knightwise> ok , stupid question but .. how do I let my Ubuntu server run a script at startup .. do I just punch it into chrontab @reboot ?
[12:17] <knightwise> if i'm correct , the @reboot command doesnt work for a non-root user in crontab ?
[12:46] <ChunkzZ> took 10 damn minutes to start my car this morning, damn UK weather! :(
[13:13] <penguin42> rather foggy here
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> up to 5c now.
[13:44] <SuperMatt> has anyone got google chrome in their .config/autostart?
[13:44] <DJones> SuperMatt: Not I
[13:45] <SuperMatt> thanks for checking. Anyone else?
[13:47] <DJones> Is it anything to do with the chrome setting to allow it to run in the background so that when click on starter its up & running quicker?
[13:49] <SuperMatt> yup
[13:49] <knightwise> it installs the chrome helper by default for quicker boot
[13:49] <knightwise> at least on a mac
[13:50] <SuperMatt> I either need to know how to create the .desktop file from inside chrome, or have someone send me a copy
[14:21] <Azelphur> Nationwide clearly have a good development team, I can check my bank balance on my smartwatch.
[14:21] <Azelphur> Living in the future, etc \o/
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> so muggers can read your watch and see if your worth mugging?
[14:22] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: uwot xD
[14:23] <Azelphur> they'd have to ask the watch for your balance, so at that point they'd probably have already got to the whole mugging you stage, and mugging you doesn't get them access to your bank account
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> but they can move to the drag the victim to atm stage
[14:24] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: if that was the strategy, wouldn't they just force you to check using your phone anyway?
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> perhaps, but just another way to check and make things prolonged
[14:27]  * Azelphur shurgs
[14:27] <Azelphur> I still say the same thing I said when smartphones first came out and everyone said not to buy one because someone will just take it off you
[14:27] <Azelphur> giving up things out of fear is worse than having them stolen off you
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> people have been giving up civil liberties for years :-)
[14:29] <Azelphur> haha
[14:29] <Azelphur> and I've been sitting here walking around with loads of gadgets and stuff for years, not been mugged yet
[14:29] <Azelphur> tempted to get insurance :)
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> i did have a bag snatched with psion 3c but i don't think they knew there was a psion in the bag
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> and it locked down tight so no data would have been accessible
[14:30] <Azelphur> amusingly if someone stole my phone it'd be real bad for them, has theft recovery stuff embedded in the firmware
[14:31] <bashrc> It's probably not a good idea to carry very expensive things around (including jewelry, etc). Stick to cheap technology
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> and i did have someone walking past about to rob my current phone before he saw that it was a nokia dumb phone and turned away disappointed :-)
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> which was a pity as i'd shifted so as to face plant him through bus shelter
[14:32] <Azelphur> bashrc: see that's the faulty logic I was talking about, rather than getting a few years use out of something that is really useful, you just steal it from yourself by not using it
[14:33] <Azelphur> I'd rather have my expensive phone stolen than never use/have it
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> nah i gave up smartphones as i wanted something with battery life above all.
[14:33] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: I carry a 12000mAh battery in my coat, that solves my battery problems ;)
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> and the nokia does web, email, twitter, irc, ebooks, radio, mp3s...
[14:33] <bashrc> additionally given the pace of change it makes no sense to invest hevily in any one particular gadget
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> and it bounces
[14:34] <Azelphur> bashrc: that's somewhat true, although don't get caught in the "tomorrow never comes" loop
[14:34] <bashrc> chances are if you spend a lot of money on one gadget it'll be obsolete in a few years anyhow
[14:34] <Azelphur> bashrc: you can say the same about anything
[14:34] <Azelphur> but obsolete doesn't mean useless
[14:35] <zmoylan-pi> when the technology is moving fast yes, when it's a stalwart like a good swiss army knife, no
[14:35] <bashrc> not really, because sofas don't change much from year to year
[14:35] <bashrc> or spoons
[14:35] <bashrc> but electrical gadgets do
[14:35] <zmoylan-pi> i loved my nokia n70 but it's 2gb limit on memory cards would annoy me a lot now
[14:35] <Azelphur> bashrc: sure they do, sofas of today look nothing like the sofas of 10 years ago
[14:35] <Azelphur> I bet if you had a 10 year old sofa, missus would be whining nonstop at you to get it replaced.
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> not if it's a beautiful hand crafted antique
[14:36] <Azelphur> perhaps :)
[14:36] <Azelphur> but then you'd be paying more than you would for a modern sofa anyway so it kinda invalidates the whole point
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> my sister got hand made custom furniture, silly money but will be passed to her kids when she pops her clogs
[14:37] <bashrc> you could sink a lot of money and get a top quality sofa. If you didn't abuse it much it would still be useful many years into the future. The same can't be said for gadgets
[14:37] <Azelphur> bashrc: sure it can
[14:37] <Azelphur> bashrc: heck, my PC is 4 years old now and I still don't have much motivation to change it.
[14:37] <zmoylan-pi> if they release the modular mobile phone it might start to happen
[14:37] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: project ara is coming ;)
[14:38] <bashrc> my last laptop I had for 7 years
[14:38] <zmoylan-pi> though i suspect the bus will need to be replaced every few years
[14:38] <Azelphur> bashrc: so yea, the same can be said for gadgets :)
[14:39] <bashrc> not really, so there is furniture where I'm living which is probably decades old and still useful
[14:39] <bashrc> a decades old gadget would not
[14:39] <zmoylan-pi> house i grew up in had a lot of victorian furniture in good nick.
[14:39] <Azelphur> heck, up until about a month ago I was still regularly using a Sempron 140, that's like 5 year old tech and it was a bargain bin chip
[14:40] <zmoylan-pi> i have a telescope in a box somewhere from 1850 that i need to get a leather worker to recover
[14:40] <Azelphur> bashrc: Pentium 4 is like 15 years old now, could still make use out of a Pentium 4 era machine.
[14:41] <Azelphur> admittedly technology doesn't last as long as furniture does, but technology ABSOLUTELY DOES remain useful many years into the future
[14:41] <zmoylan-pi> good technology does rather :-)
[14:41] <Azelphur> it's pretty hard to buy a piece of technology that doesn't fit that criteria
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> when sony and ms turn off their servers when it's no longer profitable their cames consoles will be paper weights
[14:42] <Azelphur> no argument from me here, consoles are crap
[14:42] <Azelphur> don't buy them :P
[14:43] <zmoylan-pi> they don't have to be crap, they could have made it so that the consoles could connect to one another and not need a central server but they want monthly fees
[14:43] <zmoylan-pi> and from the recent news they aren't using any of that money on security
[14:44] <Azelphur> nah they're generally crap, compare a console to a PC for gaming, there's an obvious winner.
[14:44] <Azelphur> both in terms of price and performance
[14:44] <zmoylan-pi> and anytime a game comes out that allows a pc to play against a console the console players do not do well
[14:44] <Azelphur> indeed, controllers (usually) aren't very useful
[14:44] <Azelphur> and whenever they are, a PC can make use of them anyway
[14:45] <zmoylan-pi> but i'm not against consoles per se.  i like the idea of not having to rebuild my pc everytime i install a game :-)
[14:45] <Azelphur> uwot
[14:45] <Azelphur> what do you think the procedure is for installing a game?
[14:46] <zmoylan-pi> i would point out last time i installed a game on a pc was in 90s.  it was a different time :-)
[14:46] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: these days, you fire up steam, find a game you like, pay for it, steam automatically downloads and installs it for you, you're done.
[14:46] <zmoylan-pi> my boss looked inside my pc after i installed the original doom and refused to touch it :-D
[14:47] <Azelphur> and the price of PC games is astronomically lower than console games
[14:47] <zmoylan-pi> very true, steam has changed things *a lot*
[14:47] <Azelphur> {_
[14:47] <Azelphur> :)*
[14:48] <Azelphur> so yea, you can have nice things is the tl;dr here, technology doesn't randomly become useless after a year xD
[14:49] <Azelphur> that said I'm tempted to do some upgrades on my machine soon mostly because I'd like to have proper multi monitor support
[14:53] <awilkins> Multi monitors 4tw
[14:53] <awilkins> I may get a third
[15:34] <ali12341> the procedure for installing a game on windows is basically: install game, reinstall game, uninstall all other games, reinstall video driver, install game, uninstall game, wait 6 months for patch that makes it work properly, reinstall game, install patch, reinstall windows, install ame, install patch, give up and buy a console
[15:35] <awilkins> Well, it used to be
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> see that's why i gave up in 90s, thought it had changed since.  but not enough to make me tolerate having windows at home
[15:36] <awilkins> Even for games where that used to be the case, you can now do   "Download game from GOG.com. Install game. Enjoy game." most of the time
[15:36] <awilkins> Like Outcast
[15:36] <awilkins> That was HORRIBLE to install
[15:36] <awilkins> And get working
[15:36] <awilkins> I presume it's dead easy now.
[16:44] <foobarry> chilled monkey brains
[16:51] <directhex> http://i.imgur.com/qlewmPP.jpg
[16:54] <foobarry> don't think i need these cds anymore http://i.imgur.com/QUFrUwb.jpg
[16:59] <DJones> foobarry: You might find somebody will take them off your hands though if they're trying to collect a full set of  release cd's
[17:00] <foobarry> really? lol
[17:00] <foobarry> there be weirdos out there
[17:00] <DJones> :)
[17:14] <mapito> hi
[17:16] <foobarry> picasa no longer starts :(
[17:16] <foobarry> weird
[17:17] <foobarry> no error
[18:06] <DJones> Any error running it from terminal?
[18:06] <foobarry> nope
[18:07] <foobarry> shows splash loading for 3 mins
[18:09] <DJones> ewww, didn't realise it runs the windows binary through playonlinux
[18:09] <foobarry> wine
[18:10] <DJones> Pretty much the same :)
[18:10] <Azelphur> it probably won't be wine either, it'll probably be crossover (libwine)
[18:12] <marxjohn1on> has anyone here experienced/solved this problem with shutdown from XBMC/Kodi failing? http://askubuntu.com/questions/566635/shutdown-from-xbmc-kodi-hangs
[18:12] <foobarry> maybe its due to my low disk space
[18:12] <foobarry> <1gbn
[18:14] <marxjohn1on> foobarry: doesn't look like it, plenty of disk space on all partitions
[18:14] <Azelphur> marxjohn1on: I don't have that issue on 14.10
[19:49] <mapito> :D
[19:50] <mapito> just went to 'el pollo loco'
[19:50] <mapito> heh