[05:32] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:51] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:16] <nuvolari> o/ hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:16] <nuvolari> everyone seems asleep still
[06:17] <nuvolari> :P
[06:23] <bduk> Anyone using tapatalk with this forum that can help me set it up?
[06:44] <Kilos> morning all
[06:48] <bduk> More Kilos 
[07:01] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[07:02] <bduk> Hoe gaan dit vanmore?
[07:02] <Kilos> kop nie lekker vandag nie, en daar?
[07:03] <bduk> Hoe so? Diekant net bietjie min gereen.
[07:04] <Kilos> ai! die ding besluit self waneer dit wil pein
[07:04] <bduk> Ai nie lekker nie
[07:05] <Kilos> miskien van te veel buite werk gister
[07:05] <Kilos> sal dink daaroor
[07:08] <bduk> Hmmm dit kom van Sondag werk
[07:09] <bduk> My ma se altyd 'n Sabat steek hou geen week
[07:20] <Kilos> ja
[07:20] <Kilos> plaas  werk het nie sondae nie
[07:23] <bduk> Ja dis waar 
[07:24] <bduk> Ek ken maar te goed
[09:43] <theblazehen_> hi
[09:46] <Kilos> hi theblazehen_ 
[09:54] <theblazehen_> Compiling stuff using a with a USB disk in USB1.1 mode..
[09:54] <theblazehen_> And 2 GB of ram
[10:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm nice
[10:18] <magespawn> good day all
[10:19] <magespawn> and Kilos 
[10:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> phew, got to love LVM
[10:49] <Kilos> hi magespawn ThatGraemeGuy , sorry was busy cooking
[11:53] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[11:58] <charl> good afternoon
[11:58] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:58] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:58]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:59] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[11:59] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[12:01] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[12:01] <Maaz> magespawn: Yessir
[12:01] <magespawn> Maaz large
[12:01] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you magespawn
[12:02] <magespawn> Maaz ty
[12:02] <Maaz> You are welcome magespawn
[12:02] <magespawn> long day
[12:02] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: why? disaster recovery
[12:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl, Kilos and magespawn!
[12:03] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[12:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:03] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[12:03] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[12:03] <charl> hi Kilos 
[12:03] <charl> hi magespawn 
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> magespawn: no, migrating from 2-disk RAID1 to 4-disk RAID10 without tearing down completely and rebuilding
[12:33] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:42] <magespawn> hi charl
[12:42] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: does LVM just allow you to change the raid type once the disk are installed?
[12:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> not exactly
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> what i'm doing is a bit dirty
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> I start with 2-disks, raid1 with lvm on top of the md device
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> add 2 disks, build a new raid10 with only 2 devices & 2 flagged as "missing"
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, technically this is only a raid0 at this stage
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> then migrate the entire lvm vg from the old raid to the new
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> remove the old raid from lvm
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> disassemble the old raid, and add its partitions to the new one, replacing the "missing" devices
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> the only downtime is 5 mins to add the 2 new disks, and then a quick reboot after doing some housekeeping
[12:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> the second reboot is optional but i like to do it to ensure i didn't render it unbootable
[12:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> wouldn't want to realise that a few months down the line only, whenever the next reboot happens to occur
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> i should also mention that the data on this server is not critical, so i'm doing this without doing a proper backup first, which would normally be a big no-no
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> in fact it is one of our backup servers that i'm expanding
[12:54] <magespawn> does the raid then use the old information/partitions to rebuild the info across the raid?
[13:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmm i don't understand the question :-/
[13:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> at which stage do you mean?
[13:04] <magespawn> you have two disk with info on them and two empty disks?
[13:04] <magespawn> the original raid 1 and the new disks?
[13:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[13:07] <magespawn> so when all the hardware is added the raid should be four disks, the two new disks mirroring the original two?
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> here's a step by step, let me know where you don't follow
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i add 2 disks
[13:08] <magespawn> right
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> wait before that even
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> the 2 original disks have 2 partitions each, a small one that is used in raid1 for /boot, and the rest another raid1 which is managed by lvm
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> then i add 2 disks and partition them exactly the same
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> the 2 small partitions on the new disks are added to the original raid1 that is mounted on /boot
[13:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> so now you have a raid1 with 4 devices used for /boot
[13:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> and a raid1 with 2 devices from the original disks
[13:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> are you still with me? :)
[13:13] <magespawn> yes
[13:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> now i create a new md device, raid10
[13:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> configured it as a 4-device md, but with 2 component devices missing
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> so mdadm --create /dev/md2 --level=10 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 missing missing
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> or whatvever
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> so now i have a "raid10" device, which is actually only raid0 for now because of the missing devices
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> follow?
[13:16] <magespawn> yes
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> right, then you do "pvcreate /dev/md2"
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> then "vgextend -v vg0 /dev/md2"
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> and now LVM can use the new raid for the volume group vg0
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> still with me?
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> vg0 already existed, and was using the old raid device /dev/md1
[13:18] <magespawn> right
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> then you do "pvmove /dev/md1 /dev/md2"
[13:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> this tells lvm to physically move the data to the new raid device
[13:19] <magespawn> neat way of doing it
[13:19] <magespawn> i am going to have to play around with that a bit 
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> once that is done i tell lvm to stop using the old raid
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> at that point the old raid is unused, and lvm is living completely on the new raid
[13:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> then i just stop/remove the old raid device, and add the 2 underlying partitions to the new raid10 device, and it starts rebuilding the md device
[13:22] <bushtech> ThatGraemeGuy, I have often thought about taking my  2 drive Raid1 up to a 4 drive setup. Is it possible to have the OS setup separate on a small (ssd?)drive  ie a 3 drive setup? Should simplify drive management
[13:22] <bushtech> I fear my /boot drive failing
[13:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> sure you can do that
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> assuming you have enough sata ports, etc obviously
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> but from a software perspective yes that's entirely doable
[13:23] <bushtech> Aaah, good to know 
[13:23] <bushtech> Thanks
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[13:23] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: thanks for the lesson
[13:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're welcome
[13:24] <bushtech> yes, enough ports is an essential
[13:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> if i wasn't so lazy i'd do a nice blog post step-by-step kinda thing :-D
[13:24] <magespawn> i have never worked with any type of raid, so it is good to have some insight
[13:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> install virtualbox and start playing around
[13:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> create some small virtual hard disks and build raid on them
[13:51] <magespawn> that was a bit harsh, i just asked a question no need to disconnect me
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> didn't even see the question, fwiw
[13:53] <Kilos> lol
[13:55] <magespawn> software only supports com and lpt for printing, hardware only has usb for printing
[13:55] <magespawn> how do i redirect the com to the usb?
[13:56] <magespawn> in windows
[13:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol "in windows"
[13:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> wrong channel :P
[13:57] <magespawn> indeed thought i would just ask anyway
[14:09] <magespawn> i'll take a stop through there at some point
[14:16] <magespawn> home time later all
[14:19] <Vince-0> Yuss this place is empty 
[14:32] <Kilos> lol hiya Vince-0 
[14:32] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos 
[14:32] <Kilos> hows things by you?
[14:32] <Vince-0> mkay, in the office bored as all hell
[14:33] <Vince-0> messing with irssi
[14:33] <Kilos> bored isnt good
[14:33] <Vince-0> I tried my hand at running a Ruby app on Asterisk but meh
[14:33] <Vince-0> bad documentation is always a problem for newbs
[14:33] <Vince-0> now, I'm bored but at least its home time
[14:34] <Kilos> good, dont be so scarce'
[14:34] <Vince-0> I have been a bit busy with stuffs - holiday, starting a company
[14:34] <Kilos> compliments of the season to you too
[14:35] <Vince-0> have to travel to see friends, family, weddings
[14:35] <Vince-0> and to you
[14:35] <Kilos> cool
[14:35] <Kilos> starting your own company?
[14:35] <Vince-0> ya boet, can't be working for the man all my life
[14:35] <Kilos> good
[14:36] <Kilos> hard to get going though
[14:36] <Vince-0> did you manage to get anything out of that hardware  ?
[14:36] <Kilos> yip ty but most only accept windows
[14:36] <Kilos> and the ram was a godsend
[14:37] <Kilos> so added 512m to the 128
[14:37] <Kilos> hehe
[14:37] <Vince-0> I had to find some DDR-400 RAM for an old server
[14:37] <Kilos> then gave that pc to my sis
[14:37] <Kilos> oh my
[14:37] <Vince-0> who only mostly accepts windows?
[14:37] <Kilos> there was only one 512 in the pile
[14:38] <Kilos> the drives
[14:38] <Kilos> 6 work with windows on
[14:38] <Kilos> and i have kde on the 1TB but had to not use the first 100g
[14:39] <Vince-0> ooh, that stuffs probably been dropped a few times
[14:39] <Kilos> lol
[14:39] <Kilos> was fun working through them all
[14:40] <Vince-0> k,
[14:40] <Vince-0> I must be off - more InRealLife stuff to do
[14:40] <Vince-0> chat soon
[14:41] <Kilos> go well
[14:41] <Kilos> and ty again
[14:41] <Vince-0> kk
[16:31] <Kilos> hi abmo1324 
[16:31] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:32] <abmo1324> hi
[16:33] <abmo1324> i'm on the website and i noticed that there had not been any updates in a year...
[16:33] <abmo1324> wondered if there was still any life in here :-)
[16:35] <Kilos> yes we are working on it at the moment
[16:36] <Kilos> moving to a better server or something
[16:36] <Kilos> but life and hols are keeping the guys busy
[16:37] <abmo1324> yeah... normal story
[16:37] <Kilos> abmo1324: do you need any help or info?
[16:38] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[16:47] <abmo1324> nope - just dropping in
[16:47] <abmo1324> catching up on almost a year of IRC-lessness
[16:49] <Kilos> ouch thats bad
[16:51] <Kilos> were you here a year ago?
[16:51] <Kilos> with what nick?
[16:55] <abmo1324> no
[16:55] <abmo1324> just a sec
[16:56] <Kilos> sjoe long sec
[17:01] <Kilos> wb ambo 
[17:01] <ambo> thats better
[17:01] <Kilos> tell us about yourself
[17:02] <Kilos> im trying to grow this channel. have been for 4 years now i think
[17:03] <ambo> well I used to run the za mirror
[17:04] <Kilos> cool
[17:05] <Kilos> they are linked to kenya now
[17:05] <ambo> yeah - the one in za got pulled due to some performance complaints apparently
[17:06] <ambo> but I don't have access to the hardware anymore... moved jobs
[17:06] <Kilos> yeah it was bad so Symmetria let us join his mirrors
[17:06] <Kilos> do you know him?
[17:06] <ambo> very well yes
[17:06] <Kilos> he has moved to kenya and got married
[17:07] <ambo> he and I also admin'd mirror.ac.za together once upon a time ;-)
[17:07] <Kilos> oh you know then most likely
[17:07] <ambo> yup
[18:26] <inetpro> good evening
[18:27] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:27] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:27] <Kilos> what hmm...?
[18:28] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[18:28] <inetpro> netsplits as I walk in... not nice!
[18:28] <Kilos> please tell me what you guys are doing to our website
[18:28] <Kilos> moving it or what
[18:28] <inetpro> nothing
[18:29] <Kilos> eish
[18:29] <Kilos> what was all the work for?
[18:29] <inetpro> at least I have not had the energy to touch it since last time
[18:29] <Kilos> thats what i want to know man
[18:29] <Kilos> not what you did today
[18:29] <Kilos> what is the whole plan
[18:30] <inetpro> obviously we want a new website
[18:30] <inetpro> simple as that
[18:30] <Kilos> so is it going to move or just be fixed where it is
[18:30] <Kilos> ek sukkel darem
[18:30] <inetpro> it will have the same name and all
[18:31] <Kilos> go on
[18:31] <inetpro> doesn't matter where it's hosted, but probably on the same server as now
[18:31] <Kilos> ai! sucking blood out of a stone again
[18:32] <Kilos> i just want to know so i know what to tell peeps that ask
[18:34] <inetpro> as far as I understand, the plan is to put a simple static site in place of a dynamic CMS
[18:35] <Kilos> ok ill try remember that
[18:36] <inetpro> just something plain and simple to avoid too much effort and high maintenance
[18:36] <Kilos> dont you want to post something there to explain that we arent dead just busy atm
[18:36] <inetpro> no
[18:37] <Kilos> ai!
[18:38] <inetpro> actions speak louder than words
[18:38] <Kilos> sigh
[18:38] <Kilos> the last post there is a year old man, just so peeps see we not dead
[18:38] <inetpro> but we are dead
[18:39] <Kilos> no we arent
[18:39] <Kilos> we still kinda active
[18:39] <inetpro> you just haven't realised it yet :-)
[18:39] <Kilos> just must slower and fewer
[18:40] <Kilos> what you mean we are dead?
[18:43] <inetpro> I'm just joking man... 
[18:43] <inetpro> you can't expect all these wonderful results from us when we're having timeout with families in the Christmas season
[18:44] <Kilos> man im not rushing you
[18:44] <Kilos> what you been drinking or smoking?
[18:44] <Kilos> must i use afrikaans
[18:45] <inetpro> just build it for us in stead man
[18:45] <Kilos> i would if i knew how man
[18:45] <Kilos> you know that
[18:45] <inetpro> even you can learn it
[18:45] <Kilos> lol even me
[18:46] <Kilos> ok gimme a link on a how to
[18:46] <inetpro> no
[18:46] <superfly> naandsê
[18:46] <Kilos> in mechanics english
[18:46] <Kilos> hi my fly
[18:46] <inetpro> hello superfly
[18:46] <Kilos> inetpro: did you see the new guy
[18:47] <Kilos> as in did you read logs like you used to
[18:47] <Kilos> hi Private_User1 
[18:47]  * inetpro is tired, to be honest
[18:47] <superfly> tumbleweed: I think I'm missing a public/private key for the ubuntu-za website server. can I give you my current public key?
[18:47] <Private_User1> hey Kilos
[18:48] <Kilos> haha inetpro whats new
[18:48] <Kilos> you always tired
[18:48] <Kilos> get multivitamins and sleep more
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: at least I'm here
[18:48] <Kilos> yes you are, im proud of you
[18:49] <inetpro> btw, we've had like 75mm since Monday last week
[18:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:50] <Kilos> i think i did all that nikola stuff on another drive
[18:50] <Kilos> wb bushtech 
[18:51] <Kilos> i should get a laptop where i only have one drive to play on
[19:02] <Kilos> inetpro: question. once on the site after starting the Projects thing do i just tick on add new comment or is that only to comment on that last post?
[19:13] <inetpro> sorry kilos, no idea what you're saying 
[19:13] <Kilos> ai!
[19:13] <Kilos> i started all that stuff of nikola i think
[19:14] <Kilos> then did all the cd moves
[19:14]  * inetpro going to hit the sack 
[19:14] <Kilos> ai!
[19:14] <Kilos> ok then boetie. lekker slaap
[19:15] <Kilos> you need to go back to work so you can get some rest
[19:36] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight