[02:43] superfly: yes === Wraz is now known as Frootloops === ambo_ is now known as ambo [04:42] hi ambo and Frootloops [04:43] morning theblazehen_ superfly inetpro nuvolari bushtech and others [04:43] and Squirm [05:43] hi bduk [05:45] More Kilos and everyone [05:54] hi SubOracle [05:55] Hi Kilos [06:05] hi [06:10] morning ThatGraemeGuy [06:18] mornings :) [07:02] hiho [07:07] hiho inetpro [07:21] 'lo pro [08:05] wait, wait, one at a time guys, can't keep track of the conversation in here [08:10] rofl [08:11] only time we have life here anymore is meeting time [08:14] yeah everyone stopped talking about minetest :P [08:18] funny only us 3g peeps and you seem to be mad about it [08:20] fly comes on every now and then [08:20] is our server even running anymore? [08:20] * ThatGraemeGuy checks [08:21] ha it is [08:21] maybe i should update it for a change [08:23] hehe [08:31] hi samkelo [08:31] hi Kilos [08:31] hwzt? [08:32] ok ty and you? [08:32] are you on a cell phone? [08:32] I doin' just fine [08:33] Nope, I am not on a cellphone... If I may ask, why r u askin? [08:33] lol [08:33] hwzt? [08:33] we dont abbreviate everything [08:33] AreOh!!! My goodness.... I am so used to using that ...... [08:33] lol [08:34] where are you? [08:34] Eastern Cape [08:34] we have guys from all over here [08:35] I guess of the them are from RSA [08:35] oh there was a group in the PE area i think [08:35] havent seen them here for a long time [08:36] most are ZA yes but some in netherlands and UAE and so on [08:36] Wow... [08:36] belguim and the uk and some at silicon valley in the states [08:36] that's good to hear... [08:36] Interesting!! [08:36] silicon valley stole some of our boffins [08:37] what's the name of the PE group? [08:37] channel name? [08:37] they didnt name themselves i think but if i remember correctly they were at a varsity there [08:38] ok [08:38] you say the silicon valley guys stole some of your boffins? How did they do it? [08:39] by offering big salaries [08:40] Yeah, human capital normally follow cash in these days...... [08:41] I need to get hold of those PE guys as I am looking for EC based programmers... [08:41] hmm... [08:42] i wonder if they have a lug there [08:42] I will see what comes of the search..... [08:42] you can try asking the capetown lug [08:43] clug i think it is [08:44] thanks [08:44] why dont you join our mailing list and ask there? many peeps that dont use irc use the mailing lists [08:44] http://bit.ly/MCOujZ [08:45] register there and introduce your self and state your plans or ask for help [08:45] thanks Kilos [08:46] yw [08:48] Kilos: weet jy hoe om die forum op 'n tab op te stel? Tapatalk? Ek kry nie die een as ek search nie [08:54] eish! daai goet is te veel vir my [08:54] my sus het een, ek kyk maar net [08:55] bushtech: gebruik jy die goed? [08:55] Ag nee ek dag dan jys die slimste outjie hier [08:55] nee man, die domste [08:56] Glo nie daai een nie [08:56] moenie op jou kop staan as jy vir my kyk nie [08:57] wat se masal van die ding [08:57] hy is slim [08:57] Kilos, no [08:58] i battle just with whatsapp on the xperia [08:58] tablets to me are for headaches [08:58] Hyt ook nie een nie. Ek kry ander forums wat ek wil gebruik maar nie die een nie, daar is 'n ubuntu-ru en nog een of twee ander [08:59] sjoe [08:59] ok nie van hulle gehou nie maar dis nogal handig [08:59] jy moet kinders vra, hulle weet als [09:00] het nie [09:02] watse forums praat ons van? [09:04] bduk: antwoord die pro man [09:04] hy het kinders en is self een [09:05] inetpro: dink ek het 'n fout gemaak dink aan teveel ander goed. Miskien moet ek so vra. Dit wat hier gesels word, kan ek dit op my tab kry soos met tapatalk of rss feed of so iets? besig Kilos man geduld [09:05] o irc [09:05] or irc [09:05] bduk: ah, maar dan moet jy net 'n irc client installleer [09:06] soos [09:07] Maaz: google irc client for android tablets [09:07] Kilos: "AndroIRC - The best IRC client for Android your device need" http://www.androirc.com/ :: "AndroIRC - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androirc&hl=en :: "AndChat (Free) - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.andchat&hl=en :: "Chatting On Android: The 4 Best IRC Client [09:07] Apps - MakeUseOf" http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/chatting-android-best-irc-apps/ :: "IRCHelp.o… [09:07] Ek kyk gou in die speel stoor [09:07] bduk: ek gebruik Quassel, maar help net as jy reeds 'n Quassel Core ook het [09:08] of eerder, op Android gebruik ek Quasseldroid [09:09] Wat is quassel? ok. Ja die ouderdom sien nou andchat wat ek al gebruik het, Sal daai quassel droid probeer [09:10] AndroIRC lyk heel goed [09:10] i have androirc on my phone [09:11] i don't use it often enough to have any meaningful opinion of it though [09:11] I use Yaaic on my droid phone [09:11] it works and doesn't crash, i can say that much [09:11] i wonder if my xperia can do that [09:11] Nice to be in touch when not at the pc [09:11] also not used it enough to form an opinion [09:12] bduk: see http://quassel-irc.org/ [09:12] is it an android xperia? [09:12] yeah ThatGraemeGuy [09:12] touch screen thing [09:12] then yes, install it from the play store [09:12] mini pro they call it [09:13] I need to sell my phone sometime [09:13] if anyone wants an htc one x, 32gb model, great condition, let me know :) [09:13] they too expensive them things [09:14] R2k, good price i think [09:23] Aha looks like I done it [09:23] wb AndChat|163449 [09:23] Whats that change nick command again? [09:24] haha well done [09:24] guess with that it's also time for me to update my core [09:24] /nick nick [09:24] dankie [09:25] i dont even see the playstore on my xperia [09:25] it wanted my gmail addy and all mails went there so i killed it i think [09:25] inetpro: wat breek julle nou weer [09:26] weet nog nie [09:27] Kilos: just updated our core from v0.8.0 to v0.10.1 [09:27] so fast? [09:27] yep [09:27] sjoe [09:27] as easy as that [09:28] Kilos, don't think you can get into play store without logging in with gmail address [09:28] ya bduk most likely, but then it gets all my mails there too, [09:29] i even went and changed my password so it couldnt sync with mails all the time [09:30] stop fighting google, you won't win :) [09:31] hahaha [09:32] maybe i should get a new gmail account and use that [09:32] you don't have to sync your email [09:33] sign in to your google account and then go to account settings and turn of sync for gmail [09:33] oh can you turn it off [09:33] and whatever else you don't want to automatically sync [09:33] yep [09:33] cool ty lemme try [09:34] you're going to have a tough time using an android device without signing in to your google account [09:34] +10 [09:34] I dont like to use these other mails like google or hotmail [09:35] i actually just needed whatsapp so ian gave me his old fone [09:36] but dont like using it much' [09:36] need to change glasses and then sukkel with the tiny keyboard [09:37] Thats why a tab is better the keybord is a bit bigger [09:37] lol [09:37] nobody is forcing you to use gmail [09:37] nee man [09:38] i can buy an i5 cpu for the price of a tablet [09:39] You are forsed to open an account to use the store [09:40] i was forsed to open a yahoo account also when i wanted to join the repeater-builder forum also. [09:41] its true Kilos but its difficult to carry an i5 around with you [09:42] i had jirc on my nokia at one time [09:42] but big work on fones [09:42] and always flat batteries sjoe [09:44] I wont put it on a phone. just so much easyer on a tab, i dont even watsup on my phone anymore, get spoiled with a tab. Leve the phone things for the young ones with the good eyes and only use the phone for calls [09:45] Going to town quickly see you okes later [09:45] ok [10:06] i go mow some lawn [10:43] good afternoon [10:59] hi magespawn [11:03] cool! [11:03] Portuguese Startup Brings WiFi To The City By Equipping Vehicles With Routers http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/12/portuguese-startup-brings-wifi-to-the-city-by-equipping-vehicles-with-routers/ [11:03] Kilos: ^^ [11:03] i saw something similar in mybroadband mails inetpro [11:04] making a wifi web with taxis and things [11:04] yep, using NetRider devices [11:04] that still dont help us though [11:05] somebody just needs to start something similar here man [11:05] once ive saved enough for an i5 cpu then ill start saving for the ptawug goodies [11:05] here? as in town? [11:06] you really need an i5? [11:06] like some significant cpu-heavy thing you have to do? [11:07] Veniam turns vehicles into WiFi hotspots www.veniam.com [11:07] i still battle with some things ThatGraemeGuy , like kde is slow on this dual core [11:07] kde is slow on everything :) [11:07] that's more down to slow hard disk than your cpu, almost certainly [11:07] rofl no man [11:07] be careful you are putting your money in the right place [11:08] dual cores are way behind arent they [11:08] mb supports ddr3 [11:09] so only the cpu is slow still here i think [11:09] I'm just saying, for general browsing use, there's almost certainly a greater need for a faster hard disk or more ram than a better cpu [11:09] and fancy graphics cards are just too expensive [11:09] ThatGraemeGuy, is right, I run ubuntu with kde on a ssd and it's pretty snappy [11:10] you don't need fancy graphics either unless you're gaming [11:10] SSD [11:10] :-D [11:10] i have a newish 1TB sata drive in here [11:10] no no no [11:10] SSD :-D [11:10] yeah i would far sooner spend on an SSD before a CPU 99% of the time [11:10] ssd too expensive for such tiny things [11:10] how much is an i5? [11:10] 2300 [11:10] dude c'mon seriously [11:11] how much is a 64GB SSD ? [11:11] get a small/medium ssd for your OS [11:11] 64g too small [11:11] data can be on whatever slow SATA nonsense you have [11:11] meh i give up, ok buy the i5 [11:11] don't cry here if your speed issue doesn't change at all [11:12] what? [11:12] wont the cpu make a diffs [11:12] almost certainly not [11:12] oh my [11:12] you should try tracking your cpu usage [11:12] just install munin or similar [11:12] ok [11:12] leave it alone and then check the graphs for your cpu usage over time [11:13] and memory, etc [11:13] almost guaranteed you will find that spending money on cpu is completely wasted [11:13] Kilos, listen to da man [11:14] * Kilos listening, munin installing [11:16] os on small ssd, data on big drive ROCKS! [11:16] i agree with that [11:17] for interest sake, what is the cost of a 64GB SSD drive these days? [11:18] & if your OS crashes your data is completely undisturbed [11:19] inetpro: starting at around 700 iirc [11:19] 128Gb Corsair ssd R909 on takealot [11:19] ah even better [11:21] ok so explain then, the ssd is where you do your install right [11:21] do you then make /home on the sata drive [11:21] or what goes where [11:22] i'd have everything on ssd except data [11:22] videos, pics, whatever [11:23] oh so your sata drive becomes only sleeping storage [11:25] reading this [11:25] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-upgrade-hard-drive,2956.html [11:28] ThatGraemeGuy: for longer drive life I would actually put /var on HDD [11:29] though SSD would definitely be faster [11:29] afaik the lifetime issues aren' [11:29] afaik the lifetime issues aren't much of a hassle anymore unless you are doing a ton of writes [11:30] like way way more than an average pc [11:30] but I don't follow this stuff closely, just read stuff here and there, happy to be pointed in the right direction [11:30] i mean you have laptops nowadays that only have ssd, and last plenty long [11:31] mine is already more than a year an no sign of slowdown [11:31] my BIOS POST takes longer than the O/S booting [11:31] interesting [11:31] hmm... [11:33] I was lucky this was the laptop they gave me but now that I've used SSD I will never own a PC without one [11:33] the difference is insane [11:34] theblazehen_: thanks for mentioning ncdu the other day [11:35] inetpro: also check kdirstat if its on a GUI machine [11:35] ThatGraemeGuy: I've used kdirstat a lot [11:35] prefer the cli as much as possible though [11:37] * inetpro surprised to see a 2GB /usr/lib [11:38] grown quite a lot since my last check [11:38] http://www.pricecheck.co.za/search?search=Transcend+SSD340+64GB+2.5%27%27+SATA+III+Solid+State+Drive [11:39] R538 [11:39] gaan ons koop inetpro [11:39] Kilos: I'm happy with my performance [11:40] ya but you arent using a dual core i bet [11:42] oi [11:42] im very tempted ThatGraemeGuy [11:42] can buy one soon [11:42] cpu isn't the bottleneck for the massive majority, didn't you hear what we said [11:43] yes i heard [11:43] oh sorry what command do i use for munin? [11:44] munin-update? [11:44] did you install it already? [11:44] just 'apt-get install munin' [11:44] i looked at man munin inetpro [11:44] i did aptitude install munin [11:44] yeah same thing [11:45] but dunno how to start it [11:45] or where it is [11:45] it runs every 5 mins, you can find the files it generates in /var/cache/munin/www i think [11:46] try /var/cache/munin/www/index.html in a browser [11:47] lol [11:48] This webpage is not found [11:48] No webpage was found for the web address: file:///var/cache/munin/www/index.html%20in%20a%20browser [11:48] o_O [11:48] I think its time for you to take a stretch your legs break :P [11:48] oh [11:48] sorry [11:49] hehehe [11:49] oh my [11:50] mowing lawn is hard work [11:50] they shoulda shot rolux magnum when he trecked through africa [11:51] Here Kilos get out of the sun...file:///var/cache/munin/www/index.html [11:52] or go to that file and rightclick open with browser [11:53] i have it running in browser, but been running too short a time to see much [11:54] i should have used this /var/cache/munin/www/index.html [11:54] Lots of info there i think i must go mow a lawn [11:54] not with the in a browser at the end as well [11:54] hehe [11:55] that wont work [11:55] yeah that's why i said you install it and leave it for a while [11:55] like a week or so [11:55] and just do your normal stuff you do on the pc [11:56] The problem for us over 50's is that we cant remember this next week, hell cant even remember what i had for breakfast [11:57] but im convinced about the ssd. have saved 1400 towards the i5 [11:57] so can get one then maybe if its as fast as you say save further for a wireless setup [11:58] how do they connect in your pc? [11:58] cabling? [11:59] like this scsi drive i have needs a controller [11:59] Have you bin in the sun again Kilos? [11:59] ya [12:00] how do SSDs connect? [12:00] dont tune me man tell me how do you connect the ssd? [12:00] same way a normal rust-spinning disk does [12:00] oh same sata cable? [12:00] yes [12:00] lovely. ty [12:00] will get one [12:01] same interface different controller and physical media [12:04] bduk: you using a ssd? [12:05] nope was to expensive for me sofar but i am interested [12:05] Sorry yes in my work laptop yes [12:09] im just band that i get messages like your / partition is full [12:09] bang [12:09] what are you doing that could possibly fill up / [12:10] i dunno [12:10] http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TYqaqSd6 [12:10] ive had that message a couple of times over the years [12:13] if by some weird circumstance / fills up you just clean it up a bit [12:14] this isn't windows, it isn't the end of the world :) [12:14] hehe [12:14] also that was on them old drives [12:14] so who knows [12:15] now im scheming about whether to get the 128g rather than the 64g ssd [12:16] my 2 cents, im thinking 2 x 64 and use one as an imige backup [12:23] im just scared of buying a rubbish one [12:23] is transcend good or cheapy [12:24] http://www.loot.co.za/product/transcend-ssd340-series-solid-state-drive-64gb-sata-i/pvyl-2916-g650 [12:27] I have no idea, but if you want to wait till next week i can ask my supplier and mabe get it at a better price from him. [12:27] I will rather buy from him then i know where it came from and there will be a guarentee [12:28] does he deliver? [12:28] or where is he [12:29] he is in Centurion but he work in Rosslyn and all over i dont think it will be much of a problem [12:35] I think I'll get one february === bduk1 is now known as bduk [12:54] buy 2 and RAID1 them together [12:56] hmm... [13:09] im trying to find where that place is [13:09] they want 6 to 9 days shipping time [13:10] by then ive forgotten about ssds [15:21] inetpro: ian says you can get wifi on our busses like greyhound [15:21] so we getting there [15:22] wb bduk [16:47] Kilos: ai! [16:48] wat nou inetpro ? [16:49] Kilos: the idea with the above story about wifi is almost like that of the WUGs [16:50] what no internet? [16:50] no man! [16:50] you share the interwebs with everyone [16:50] so? [16:52] you get the widest possible coverage at the lowest possible cost [16:52] i8s that bad? [16:52] is [16:53] ai! [16:54] all I'm saying is that what you get in the greyhound bus is most likely some isolated network only for the passengers [16:54] as dit goed is hoekom ai! jy man [16:54] oh eventually i see what you are getting at [16:55] i should do like you and say i dont understand that [16:55] what we really need in this lovely country of ours is for peeps to start thinking big [16:56] like they have done in Portugal [16:57] i think local taxis are also starting to supply wifi [16:57] talk to them and tell them how to get better [17:17] inetpro: you must worry more about getting mobile data costs down [17:19] or getting wireless to us [17:24] wat verstaan jy nie van "you get the widest possible coverage at the lowest possible cost"? [17:26] jy meen ek sal dit hier kan kry? [17:31] man dont give me other stuff to think about now. ssd is main aim now [17:57] wb ThatGraemeGuy [18:05] ty :) [18:14] haha [18:14] haha yourself o_O [18:32] * inetpro was laughing at Kilos [18:33] ThatGraemeGuy: he said, "man dont give me other stuff to think about now. ssd is main aim now" [18:46] :-) [19:21] Kilos: why so quiet now? [19:39] hmm... [19:40] ian is here. im trying to convince him to take me to get a ssd [19:40] hi samkelo [19:41] where would i get one here in pta inetpro ? [19:41] he only knows rustenburg pc suppliers [19:42] oh goodness, I have no clue [19:42] but thats far to go [19:42] surely every PC shop has something? [19:42] Kilos [19:43] important is that you know your pricing [19:43] i have no idea but he wants to go home and water his plants so i might go with [19:43] well ill get him to fone first, ive seen prices from online shops [19:43] don't rush into it [19:44] then i can compare [19:44] listen to what ThatGraemeGuy said! [19:44] oh [19:44] what did he say [19:44] yeah that's why i said you install it and leave it for a while [19:44] like a week or so [19:44] and just do your normal stuff you do on the pc [19:45]