[00:55] <ali1234> hmm... i got the malicious redirect to happen
[00:56] <ali1234> server is definitely compromised then
[00:56] <penguin42> ali1234: so assuming you're about to reinstall the question then is 'how'
[00:57] <ali1234> not my problem luckily
[00:58] <ali1234> this is one of those legacy red hat servers i was talking about the other day
[00:58] <penguin42> ali1234: Well more I mean 'how did it get infected'
[00:58] <ali1234> yeah, again, not my problem
[00:58] <penguin42> ali1234: Ah, how legacy?
[00:59] <ali1234> CentOS release 5.11 (Final)
[00:59] <penguin42> that should still have security updates I think
[00:59] <ali1234> it does
[01:00] <ali1234> it's "legacy" in the sense that the web developers who made the site installed it all and then quit the web dev business, leaving the whole server unsupported
[01:01] <ali1234> it's a VM hosted... somewhere, with "sort of" support
[01:01] <penguin42> it seems the safest way from their point of view :-)
[01:01] <ali1234> various sysadmin log into it all the time and do things
[01:01] <ali1234> nobody has any idea who they are but they seem to be logging in from the hosting company IPs
[01:02] <ali1234> it also auto updates and also has puppet and virtualmin installed
[01:02] <ali1234> so pretty much nobody understands how it works and the thing was well overdue a reinstall anyway
[01:02] <penguin42> nod, still worrying when you don't know how
[01:03] <ali1234> my guess would be the hosting company is infected and their sysadmins are spreading it when they ssh into servers and do stuff
[01:03] <ali1234> either that or someone bruteforced root password, which is still enabled
[01:06] <penguin42> nod
[01:36] <daftykins> ugh
[01:36] <daftykins> root password :(
[04:10] <daftykins> tum-te-tum
[04:13] <mapps> hi ho
[04:17] <daftykins> mornin'
[04:17] <daftykins> were you back over for Christmas, mapps?
[04:18] <daftykins> two of you 0o
[04:21] <mapp> ;]
[04:22] <daftykins> were you back over for Christmas, mapps?
[04:25] <mapp> nop
[04:26] <daftykins> ah, get up to much on the day itself?
[04:29] <mapp> off xmas evew
[04:29] <mapp> worked xmas day..off tomorrow
[04:29] <daftykins> \o/
[04:29] <mapp> or 2night owever you look at it
[04:29] <mapp> ;]
[04:29] <mapp> you do much?
[04:29] <daftykins> :D
[04:29] <daftykins> nah, quiet one with lunch at the parents with gran over
[04:30] <daftykins> endured shocking broadcast TV until 11ish then got home :>
[04:34] <zmoylan-pi> broadcast tv, does that still exist? :-)
[04:34] <mapp> holiday tv sucks eh
[04:34] <mapp> good stuff gets put on a break
[04:34] <mapp> for dross
[04:34] <mapp> eastenders xmas special..boring films
[04:34] <mapp> ugh
[04:34] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: apparently, only see it when i go to my olds or at friends occasionally
[04:35] <daftykins> though i would like to see news again, so maybe i'll make up a satellite dish coax extension cable in the new year
[04:35] <zmoylan-pi> i really should thank tv for making me give up tv
[04:35] <zmoylan-pi> *reality tv
[04:35] <daftykins> oh lawd
[04:35] <daftykins> old girl put on the bloody dancing one, what a pile of tosh
[04:37] <zmoylan-pi> there's a reality tv show that isn't poo?
[04:38] <daftykins> nah i'm saying it's terrible XD
[05:03] <mapp> sleep time
[05:03] <mapp> buh bye
[05:03] <mapp> well try to..got a cold;[
[05:03] <mapp> gonna take some night nurse;]
[05:04] <daftykins> :O i had one recently, pretty well recovered now
[05:05] <daftykins> stuff tends to kick my ass but then i come back fighting :D
[05:05] <daftykins> i'm like a Hollywood film 0o
[05:06] <mapp> ;]
[05:07] <daftykins> anyway take care sir and happy new year if i don't catch you o/
[05:11] <mapp> same mate..il prob be back before its 2015..just sleep gym then irc;p
[05:11] <mapp> hopefully this night nurse will help me sleep HATE it when i lie there trying to sleep for hours=[
[05:12] <daftykins> *nod*
[08:53] <foobarry> another frosty day in london
[08:55] <bashrc> definitely cold
[09:07] <bashrc> researching laptops. My current laptop is fine except that the screen is failing. Sooner or later it's going to fail fully
[09:11] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: Which is more important, quality, price or performance?
[09:12] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: And if it's just the screen, they can be replaced.
[09:18] <foobarry> +1 for fix
[09:18] <foobarry> maybe its just a £5 part
[09:19] <bashrc> TwistedLuci: I'm looking for maximum software freedom. No binary blobs
[09:21] <bashrc> I'll search for screens
[09:29] <bashrc> for 2015 I may try going all the way and trying to run all free software. I already do on the server, it's really just graphics and wifi that are needed on a laptop
[09:30] <bashrc> maybe I could grow a beard too :)
[09:46] <foobarry> lcd inverter problem?
[09:47] <foobarry> bashrc: what is the actual problem with the screen
[09:49] <bashrc> especially in cold weather (like now) on boot the screen rapidly goes completely white. After it warms up, about 20 mins later, everything is fine
[09:50] <bashrc> over time this behavior seems to be getting worse, and it also appears to be unrelated to the operating system
[09:51] <foobarry> this was like all tvs in the 80s :)
[09:51] <bashrc> heh, I don't think so
[09:52] <bashrc> it's almost as if the liquid crystals are disabled by cold weather
[09:55] <bashrc> having an effective boot time of 20-30 mins is getting irritating, and I think one day the screen is just going to remain white indefinitely
[09:56] <ali1234> does it slowly change colour or does it flicker?
[09:56] <bashrc> it flickers, weird colours, some white some normal, then after about 20-30mins it's ok
[09:57] <ali1234> you probably need a whole new motherboard then
[09:57] <bashrc> yeah I was thinking it might not just be the screen, could be graphics hardware or the physical interface between the board and the screen
[09:58] <bashrc> also this happens immediately at power on, even before the OS has booted, and I've used various OS's on this laptop, so I don't think it's software related
[10:02] <foobarry> it could be solder
[10:02] <foobarry> able
[10:02] <foobarry> eg http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/T61-and-prior-T-series-ThinkPad/Laptop-screen-needs-to-warm-up/td-p/1031961
[10:03] <ali1234> yes you could try reflowing the motherboard
[10:04] <ali1234> if i do "rsync -avz user@host:/path/" where do the files go?
[10:07] <ali1234> answer: nowhere, it just lists the files
[10:23] <bashrc> foobarry: yes the symptoms are very similar to that, so it could be something like something coming unsoldered from the board. After it warms and expands it makes contact again
[10:25] <foobarry> http://therestartproject.org/
[10:26] <foobarry> lots of people around who can help
[10:26] <foobarry> better to repair otherwise good things rather than send rare metals to landfill </preach>
[10:34] <foobarry> http://ifixit.org/blog/6882/why-i-drilled-holes-in-my-macbook-pro-and-put-it-in-the-oven/
[10:35] <awilkins> I had an Amiga you had to warm up with a hair dryer before the keyboard worked
[10:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:43] <NET||abuse> hi guys. i'm having a consistent issue crop up every once in a while.
[10:44] <NET||abuse> the wifi just drops the connection, the select wifi doesn't list any id's
[10:45] <foobarry> anything in dmesg?
[10:48] <NET||abuse> too much noise in there.
[10:49] <NET||abuse> to get back online i disabled and re-enabled wifi.
[10:49] <NET||abuse> but inbetween i also pluggedin my android phone and enabled tethering to google for things
[10:49] <NET||abuse> just too much activity to debug.
[10:50] <foobarry> grep
[11:17] <foobarry> NET||abuse: by all means dump your dmesg to pastebin and we can check for you
[11:17] <foobarry> do a private paste though just in case
[11:17] <ali1234> i've got a samsung charging dock for galaxy S3 which just has a microusb on it
[11:18] <ali1234> it work with some things but not others, why?
[11:18] <ali1234> for example i can plug my nexus 7 in to it and it charges
[11:19] <ali1234> but moto g does not
[11:40] <foobarry> current?
[11:41] <foobarry> moto g requires min current?
[11:41] <foobarry> i have one which doesn't charge well on low powered charger < 1a
[11:41] <ali1234> no, it works fine on the same cable
[11:41] <foobarry> hm
[11:55] <awilkins> Does it have data cables?
[11:58] <awilkins> A forum post I'm looking at says "try rebooting the phone while connected to a laptop with the USB cable"
[12:43] <Guest46054> ERROR: Can't change MAC: interface up or not permission: Device or resource busy
[12:46] <bujji> ERROR: Can't change MAC: interface up or not permission: Device or resource b
[12:46] <bujji> popey:?
[12:48] <bujji> hello any one over there.
[12:48] <penguin42> bujji: Start by saying how you got your problem
[12:49] <bujji> penguin42: macchanger --mac=01:23:45:67:89:AB wlan0
[12:49] <penguin42> bujji: OK, so read the error message - what's it telling you?
[12:51] <bujji> penguin42:ERROR: Can't change MAC: interface up or not permission: Device or resource b
[12:51] <penguin42> bujji: No, I can see the text; *YOU* read it and think about what it's saying
[12:52] <bujji> penguin42:device or resource busy
[12:52] <penguin42> bujji: It's telling you 2 things that might cause the erro
[12:52] <penguin42> r
[12:52] <bujji> penguin42:?
[12:53] <bujji> penguin42:it gave me perinent mac and current mac,nothing has changed
[12:54] <penguin42> bujji: It's telling you 1) 'interface up'  or  2) ' not permission'
[12:54] <penguin42> bujji: So, have you got permission? Is the interface up?
[12:55] <bujji> penguin42:dont know
[12:56] <penguin42> bujji: Well, what do you do when you don't have permissions normally?
[12:57] <bujji> penguin42: I logged in as a root
[12:57] <penguin42> bujji: OK, so if you're doing it at root then it's probably not permissions; so ok what about the other part 'interface up' - is your wireless interface setup and connected?
[12:59] <bujji> penguin42:even i tried with eth0 also same error.
[12:59] <penguin42> how about you answer the question I asked?
[13:04] <bujji> penguin42:?
[13:06] <bujji> penguin42:are you there?
[13:09] <bujji> penguin42:ERROR: Can't change MAC: interface up or not permission: Cannot assign requested address
[13:09] <foobarry> lol
[13:09] <bujji> foobarry:why?
[13:14] <bujji> foobarry:?
[13:14] <bujji> anyone please..
[13:16] <bujji> popey:?
[14:12] <popey> penguin42: still getting on well with the OnePlus?
[14:13] <penguin42> popey: Yeh, I've not got very far in getting a newer kernel on it
[14:13] <penguin42> popey: Android kernels are even worse than I imagined they would be
[14:13] <popey> hah
[14:14] <penguin42> popey: I'm trying to merge a 3.6.x at the moment; it's got very slim chances
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> if it were easy the sense of achievement if you do it wouldn't be as great :-)
[14:14] <penguin42> popey: Classic example; it's got a hack (for the Find7 specifically) in the ext4 code to do vfat mount like setting of uid/gid - I don't know why though
[14:15] <popey> ugh
[14:15] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Yeh, I'd assumed I'd manage to find a kernel that was close to it that I could work with, but the closest tag I can find to the find7 cm-11 kernel is git diff |wc -l 800k lines different
[14:17] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: and then you find bits of it are based on code-aurora's kernel tree that has tags like M8960AAAAANLYA100709A  and LNX.LA.3.5.2.2.c3-00210-8x74.0     - and the second of those's Makefile says it's actually a 3.4.0 kernel
[16:03] <diddledan> http://static.fsf.org/nosvn/FSF30-video/FSF_30_720p.webm <-- watch it fullscreen with headphones - the audio is impressive
[16:35] <foobarry> what is it diddledan ?
[16:36] <diddledan> foobarry: it's a video extolling how amazing the gnu is, but I just like it because the audio was immersive on my headphones
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> it's slow gnus day :-P
[16:54] <foobarry> 16GB byteStor 45MB/s SDHC UHS-I CL10 Memory Card
[16:54] <foobarry> £5.89
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> you wonder about the reliability when they get that cheap
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> when i spent £50 on a box of floppies in 80s i knew they'd last years, when i spent a tennr they lasted 5 minutes
[16:56]  * penguin42 has never heard of byteStor so wouldn't trust it
[16:57] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: That just was never true of the 1.44MB ones in the early 90s though
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> the floppy disks i installed win95 from _twice_ only ever worked once
[16:59] <foobarry> plume have wrecked their once excellent app
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's more that twitter has moved the api on them
[17:07] <foobarry> they are displaying full screen ads every few seconds
[17:07] <foobarry> thats how to wreck a userbase
[17:07] <foobarry> who will not move to the paid version either
[17:07] <foobarry> ugh tv licence 145£
[17:08] <zmoylan-pi> i saw a full screen ad in app i installed a few days ago.  have update apps switched to off since last year as functionality seems to degrade per upgrade per app
[17:08] <aptanet> foobarry: I was going to say I hadn't noticed, but then realised I'm using the paid for version
[17:09] <foobarry> its a bit pricey
[17:10] <foobarry> if i could guarantee i would continue to use the app then it would be fine
[17:10] <foobarry> tweetcaster users complaining of same issue
[17:10] <zmoylan-pi> puts me off android more than a specific app
[17:11] <foobarry> which bit?
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> full screen adverts, it's their ad platform enabling that
[17:12] <foobarry> oh
[17:12] <foobarry> its a bad move
[17:13] <foobarry> or something they  need to fix somehow?
[17:13] <aptanet> yes, it does look to be the most expensive app I've purchased - nearly 2 years ago now so not a fortune overall
[17:13] <foobarry> i can fix by cyanogen + adaway but dont wanna wipe my whole phone
[17:13] <zmoylan-pi> i go out and buy a piece of hardware and they want to shove ads in my face, well that just makes me annoyed
[17:14] <foobarry> adaway requires root but root is tricky with moto g i hear
[17:15] <foobarry> then i won't see any ads, so google/devs  lose over all
[17:16] <foobarry> rooting stops OTA updates so think i will wait till lollipoop
[17:17] <foobarry> the problem is..how to backup phone if you don't have root?
[17:17] <foobarry> titaniumbackips are so unsatisfactory
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> foia request to cia? :-)
[17:27] <foobarry> http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/28296/full-backup-of-non-rooted-devices
[17:47] <diddledan> I found a bug in drupal today :-) https://www.drupal.org/node/2400471
[17:52] <foobarry> yay?
[17:53] <diddledan> yes, yey, because I gave them a patch to fix it, too :-p
[17:54] <zmoylan-pi> so you potentially fixed a bug in drupal, a much bigger achievment
[17:54] <foobarry> http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-discloses-unpatched-windows-vulnerability/
[17:57] <penguin42> oops
[17:58] <penguin42> oh, he did a 90 day warning
[18:01] <diddledan> they say it's not clear whether he actually told microsoft tho
[18:01] <penguin42> well there's no point in him doing a 90 day warning without telling them
[18:01] <zmoylan-pi> he sent an email to billgates@hotmail.com? :-)
[18:04] <foobarry> they are competitors
[18:04] <foobarry> i wonder if MS would do the same?
[18:04] <foobarry> no
[18:05] <foobarry> still, don't be a richard , as they say
[18:05] <penguin42> I'm sure they would have filed it with MS
[18:05] <zmoylan-pi> it's the i.t. industry, it's richards as far as the eye can see :-/
[18:06] <foobarry> the richard recursion algorithm
[18:06] <zmoylan-pi> it's richards all the way down...
[18:15] <diddledan> roger the support guy. he's nice.
[18:15] <diddledan> and all the many richards in the support centre, as you allude.
[18:25] <diddledan> yawn
[18:25] <diddledan> long day working
[18:54] <DJones> For the London fireworks for new year,I wonder if the organisers attach rockets to the cars on the London eye and turn it into giant catherine wheel
[19:20] <mapp> tired
[19:20] <mapp> wanna have a nap but then il be too tired to go out
[19:20] <mapp> grmpf
[19:38] <daftykins> ;]
[19:40] <penguin42> mapp: Won't you be less tired after a nap - or isn't that how naps are supposed to work?
[19:40] <DJones> diddledan: Was that the wrong channel
[19:40] <daftykins> ^
[19:41] <daftykins> i'm sure there's a potential child's rhyme that can be made out of mapp napping
[19:41] <diddledan> DJones: yeah. *smacky forehead*
[19:41] <diddledan> I saw "ubuntu" and assumed I left it on the right channel
[19:42] <daftykins> so 'The Net' eh? i remember she smacks a CRT off a nurses station counter in that one
[19:42] <daftykins> she gets a bit ragey
[19:42] <diddledan> teehee
[19:43] <diddledan> haven't got to that bit yet
[19:43] <daftykins> hmm i see that Panorama doc about Apple is still available on yonder iPlayer
[19:43] <diddledan> ooh, that sounds like an interesting docu
[19:43]  * diddledan goes to find it
[19:45] <daftykins> hah, it starts on Fatboy Slim then goes into Daft Punk
[19:45] <daftykins> classic :D
[19:46] <diddledan> aah, it's the one about their "shocking" working conditions
[19:46] <daftykins> yep and children mining
[19:46] <daftykins> hrmm now which system do i have get_iplayer on 0o
[19:46] <diddledan> lol
[19:47] <mapp> but
[19:47] <mapp> often afer a small nap i feel more tired
[19:47] <mapp> like 1/2hr naps
[19:49] <daftykins> mmk apparently it's not a VM on here 0o
[19:59] <daftykins> lol @ "Zaphod mode" in the intel driver, that's amusing
[19:59] <daftykins> classic HHGTTG reference
[20:00] <mapp> just watched the guvnors..another rubbish football hooligan film
[20:00] <mapp> how people love these films is beyond me
[20:01] <zmoylan-pi> it has football in it
[20:03] <mapp> totally mug
[20:03] <mapp> only one team that matters
[20:03] <mapp> ;]
[20:04] <daftykins> is that the one that doesn't play?
[20:04] <daftykins> 'cause then i'd agree
[20:04] <mapp> heh
[20:15] <penguin42> daftykins: Zaphod mode has been in X from back in the Sun days
[20:29] <daftykins> penguin42: hehe :D neat
[20:31] <daftykins> hmm, fix a puncture or just transfer the lights from one to another
[20:31] <daftykins> the lazy option is mighty tempting ;)
[20:39] <daftykins> huzzah, light swap is far easier :P
[21:58] <mapp> off out now
[21:58] <mapp> fireworks at casemates square (gib)
[21:58] <mapp> hopefully will be good
[21:58] <mapp> happy new year all..hopefully 2015 will be a good one..catch you all later
[21:58] <mapp> :D
[21:59] <daftykins> o/
[21:59] <daftykins> enjoy
[22:05] <mapp> 1hr17 into the drop with james gandilfini arghh gotta finish it later
[22:05] <mapp> seems decent
[22:06] <daftykins> James Gandolfini, from The Sopranos? daym
[22:07] <mapp> yea
[22:07] <mapp> was obc done before he died
[22:07] <mapp> mustve been his last film
[22:08] <daftykins> =[
[22:08] <daftykins> right i best shower and get on out to my mates
[22:09] <daftykins> jeez, this new year marks 19 years since i've had these mates since secondary school