=== Frootloops is now known as gogopowerRanger === gogopowerRanger is now known as GoGoPowerRanger [05:40] hi GoGoPowerRanger [05:45] wbb [05:55] Maaz: coffee on [05:55] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [05:57] morning all [05:57] my konversation is sick [05:57] inetpro: fix it [05:59] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [06:00] Maaz: danke [06:00] Bitteschön [06:22] o/ oh hi more oom Kilos :) [06:22] hi Maaz [06:22] lo nuvolari gaaint seun? [06:22] Geniet oom Kilos se laaste dag van 2014! [06:22] gaanit ook [06:23] dit gaan goed dankie en met oom? [06:23] goed dankie, soek nou n ssd [06:23] hehe almal se hulle so vinnig [06:24] ek sal nie weet nie oom :P [06:24] nog nie experience nie [06:25] my laptop werk fine, so ek weet nie van beter nie :P [06:26] graeme se dis beter om n ssd te koop as om n i5 cpu in te sit [06:26] so ons sal sien [06:26] maar hulle's klein :( [06:26] hulle net duur jong [06:27] dit ook [06:27] ja maar hulle se dis net vir die os en ander drives vir data [06:29] is jy gelukkig daar in die kaap? [06:29] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:29] morning [06:29] oh hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:29] ja oom Kilos! Behalwe vir die pryse van goed kan ek nie kla nie [06:29] hier is bietjie meer gemoedsrus [06:30] en die petrol is 'n bargain [06:30] :P [06:30] ek bly vir jou seun [06:30] petrol? [06:30] petrol is cheaper at the coast [06:31] he comes from durbs [06:31] oh [06:31] I R confused, I thought you came from like bloem or something [06:31] maybe less travelling [06:31] apologies for the insult :) [06:31] hehe [06:32] he is from bloem but worked in durbs for years [06:32] ah see i'm not completely dumb [06:32] just a little [06:32] must be the way you comb your hair [06:32] you can't comb 2cm of hair [06:33] 2mm rather [06:33] haha do you also just run the hair cutting tool over everything [06:34] yeah, self-service barber [06:34] me too, yay for wahl [06:34] beard moush and hair [06:34] seen how much those cost now? i got mine for under R100 way back when [06:35] shaving sucks [06:35] think they're over 300 already [06:35] wow [06:35] mine is about 20 or even 30 years old [06:36] quality machines [06:37] do you know what kind of oil is meant to be used for it? mine came with a little tubelet of oil which appears to have grown legs last time i wanted to use it [06:38] i have just used Q20 after every cut [06:39] protects against rust as well [06:39] ah i'll try that [06:40] you really got my head in a tiz now with the ssd thing [06:41] sorry, was not my intention [06:41] lol i want one now [06:41] then ive got money for biltong and chocolate too [06:41] how big is your /var/cache/munin/www directory? [06:42] lemme go see [06:42] zip it and dropbox it and i'll check out the graphs [06:42] should be <10MB [06:44] Morning everyone [06:44] 3.8 MiB [06:44] hi bduk1 [06:46] screenshot is ctrl+F10 hey? [06:46] it even shows the time pc was off last night [06:47] prtscn should do a screenshot [06:47] well maybe, not sure how your DE is set up [06:49] command not found [06:50] hrr, python geeks, which REPL's are available out there that you can recommend? I had one some time ago with tab-completion and colours, but I can for the life of me not remember what it was called :( [06:50] bpython seems close, but that wasn't it [06:56] Sorry the only python I know is a snak [06:57] Snake [06:57] ooh, I might actually be sold on bpython :P [06:57] lol bduk1 [06:57] that's OK [07:01] ThatGraemeGuy: http://picpaste.com/munin-GH2P88g3.png [07:01] ksnapshot worked [07:02] i have no idea what all that stuff means [07:03] thats why i asked you to zip and dropbox it, there's a lot more than just that graph [07:04] sjoe [07:04] i didnt even see that sorry [07:05] was too busy [07:05] so you want the www folder? [07:05] can i send it unzipped [07:05] yeah [07:06] ok lemme find my dropbox [07:08] this can take a while, not sure where i saved dropbox info [07:22] good evening all [07:22] good afterevemorn [07:26] hi there superfly [07:26] ThatGraemeGuy: i had to install dropbox first, now do i use the send link or invite you there? [07:30] uh [07:30] i don't know i've never done that [07:30] you've shared stuff with me on dropbox before [07:30] oh my [07:31] so can you see my dropbox? [07:31] im totally lost here [07:32] try https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tsjrqlz1g7lvyqv/AAD5TxnPYBIJ7uXFIUCJ9guKa?dl=0 [07:34] bduk: next week is too far away, cant you just call your supplier and see if i can fetch near here [07:38] problem is that most of the places where he get stock from is closed now [07:38] how do i find someone in pta with stock then i can send ian to get one [07:40] GoGoPowerRanger: is that you wraz [07:47] Zarw: morning [07:51] haha AndChat|99281 daai ding is siek man [07:53] im not sure if you busy ThatGraemeGuy or if you didnt realise the link was for you [07:56] ta Kilos will check it out just now [08:10] hehe [08:48] ok tomorrow im going with ian to rustenburg and get a 128G ssd for R1300 [09:05] kilos 128gb vir r1300 by corupted connections kolonade of 1tb vir r7000 by itworx [09:06] sjoe is that 7000 or 700 [09:07] and is that corrupt connections incredible connections [09:07] seven thousand [09:07] jip [09:07] wow how can there be such a price differense [09:08] someone is ripping someone off badly [09:08] its a 1 tb for 7000 [09:09] waas jou bril [09:09] oh sorry i missed that [09:09] lol skuus man [09:10] dankie vir die info [09:15] byt vas tot volgende week man seker ons sal beter prys kry [09:15] ja maar dan is ian nie hier nie [09:15] hy se hy sal my vat [09:17] waar bly jy kilos [09:18] wes van pretoria [09:18] hoe ver [09:18] 6ks verby laaste robot by mahem [09:19] van der hof uit [09:20] ja [09:20] is daar nog een van hulle aan die noorde kant van pretoria [09:21] op daai pad na julle toe was daar altyd een' [09:27] weet nie ken nie daaikant nie [09:29] ek was jare laas daar gewees maar miskien het hulle toe gemaak daar want daai winkel wys nie op google maps nie [09:30] mazal se jy kan wootware ook probeer online shop [09:31] waar is hulle [09:31] online [09:36] R1,195.00 for die selle ding en dan moet ek wag, [09:38] se mos dis n slegte tyd vir sulke dinge [09:41] ek sal maar saam met ian ry more na sy huis in rustenburg en een daar kry [09:41] dan is dit in my hand [09:42] ok [09:43] so net beter gewees het vandag want ek het 400m data wat middernag verval [09:43] grrr [09:43] dankie vir die hulp [09:45] volgende week gaan jy dalk hartseer wees as ek dalk n goeie prys vir jou kry [09:45] lol [10:37] hi [10:43] Kilos: don't take the bigger drive man, 64GB is more than enough [10:44] we also have incredible corruption here by us at Wonderpark [10:45] but I'm sre you can get a better price at other places [10:45] incredible corruption tends to be on the expensive side [10:46] unless they have it on special [10:47] Hi.. [10:47] hello theblazehen [10:48] Mornings [10:48] Hi [10:48] My quassel host ran out of disk space :/ [10:48] ouch! [10:49] I wanted to see how long it would take to clone the android source there.. [10:49] Turns out android is bigger than 10 GB [11:10] hmm... sorry was outside [11:11] theblazehen: wow 10GB for a mobile OS is massive [11:11] inetpro: the local shops only have the 128g ssd's [11:11] hmm... have you phoned around? [11:11] ian did [11:12] its only that one site that has the 64g cheap like that [11:13] i dunno how to find pcs shops in pta [11:13] all centurion and far like that [11:14] as you know google isnt my friend [11:14] oh and morning inetpro theblazehen [11:15] Incredible Connection, Wonderpark, Telephone: 012-549-9270 , 012-549-9280 [11:16] ty sir [11:19] Optimus Computer Solutions, 211 Bezuidenhout Street, +27 12 377 1861 [11:20] Klasie Computers, 485 Sannie Street, +27 12 379 0392 [11:21] Compu-Ants, 989 Keyter Street, +27 76 876 1054 [11:21] found all those with a google map search in your area [11:22] Kilos: ^^ [11:22] ty inetpro R849 for 64g at wonderpark [11:25] plenty other places, many of them not even listed as computer shops on google [11:25] optimus will only have next year [11:26] ty for the help [11:26] yw [11:41] ok i go wonderpark [11:42] other places dont have or are temporarily closed down and you get home fones [12:11] * ThatGraemeGuy pokes Kilos [13:06] inetpro: yeah, thats in source form .. linux is like 500 MB? [13:06] hi Kilos [13:39] ai! [13:40] corruptable connection [13:41] fone and they say they have 64g in stock. get there and only 128m for R1399 [13:41] * Kilos cries [13:42] bastards [13:47] eish! [13:47] Kilos: did you buy it? [13:47] no [13:47] good [13:48] tried matrix and hifi corp as well. only 128m [13:48] ai! [13:48] what a low blow [13:49] spend your money wisely only when you get the best deal [13:49] that would be to order from loot.co.za i think it was for R538 [13:50] yes that sounds much better [13:50] and they would even deliver for free I think [14:03] Kilos: for what size is R538? [14:03] 64g [14:04] im trying to find the link [14:06] http://www.loot.co.za/product/transcend-ssd340-series-solid-state-drive-64gb-sata-i/pvyl-2916-g650 [14:06] first need to deposit cash in ians bank then order [14:07] and thatgraemeguy poked me while i was away [14:08] now he gone home already [14:17] i worry though, everywhere else prices more than them [14:17] http://www.pricewatch.com/gallery/hard_removable_drives/ssd_64gb\ [14:41] If it sounds to good tl be true it usualy is a catch [15:46] thats what im worried about [15:46] rather pay R1300 and have a 128g in my hand than stand a chance of losing 358 [15:52] ya [15:52] my 64 GB was 900 something [15:55] sjoe [15:55] how does one find out if they are genuine [15:56] other than sending the mafia to the ceo's house [15:57] dunno [16:00] took me a year to save R1400 [16:00] so i bang to take chances [16:06] Eish, you sure big ssd is best idea? [16:18] maybe HDD, small ssd, and bcache? [16:20] ya but to pay over R800 for 64g [16:21] then surely R1300 for 128g isnt bad [16:22] I guess [16:22] Maybe see how much a 16 or 32 is? [16:22] anyway other than buying online i cant find a place with 64g ssd's [16:22] Ah [16:22] * theblazehen has a 64 [16:22] Nice, but little small. Will need to but a sata cable and the do bcache with laptop HDD [16:23] will check tomorrow at incredible connection in rustenburg and maybe shop around some at those pc stores [17:56] hmm... [17:56] storming now [19:48] http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/170595519/ADATA_Premier_Pro_SP600_ASP600S3_128GM_C_2_5_128GB_SATA_III_MLC_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_SSD_R.html [19:48] hey Kilos [19:48] open up that munin page [19:48] if you have a minute [19:48] theblazehen: ^^ [19:48] hi ThatGraemeGuy sorry i was out [19:49] np [19:49] just wanted to point out the most meaningful graphs [19:50] Kilos: slowish for an SSD, but still a lot faster than a HDD [19:50] whats the browser entry i put in please [19:50] ian was busy here [19:51] file:///var/cache/munin/www/index.html [19:51] actually wait [19:51] let me give you the direct links, even better [19:51] ok [19:52] it was open but he crashed the browser somehow [19:52] file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/diskstats_iops/index.html [19:52] opening 20+ links [19:52] file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/diskstats_latency/index.html [19:52] file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html [19:52] got them open? [19:53] sec [19:54] ok they open [19:54] ok first diskstats_iops [19:54] ya [19:55] those spikes are pretty high and close to the physical limit of a spinning platter disk [19:55] ok [19:56] latency is how long it takes a block device (i.e. hard disk, etc) to complete a write operation [19:57] those aren't too horrible on average [19:57] ok [19:57] but the cpu is the most obvious one [19:58] what does that tell you? [19:58] the green/system and blue/user parts are the ones that would typically benefit from a better CPU [19:58] those represent time the cpu spends doing calculations all on its own [19:58] and you can see those are very small [19:58] you are nowhere near maxing out the performance of even a single core [19:59] oh cool [19:59] see the scale on the left goes to 200? at 100% it means you are working 1 core very hard nearly constantly [19:59] you're around 10% or less [19:59] now theblazehen says that link i gave him is a slow ssd [20:00] yay [20:00] Yeah, mine gets like 70k IOPS, near 600 MB/s read [20:00] the purple part of the cpu graph is key, that's time spent by the CPU waiting for disk operations to complete [20:00] theblazehen: where did you get yours [20:00] Kilos: online, wootware.co.za [20:00] and as you can see your CPU is spending a lot of time waiting for data to be fetched or written to disk [20:00] I have transcend [20:01] Kilos: also look at takealot.com, they tend to be good on pricing [20:01] is the purple part the yellow in the centre [20:01] i dont see purple [20:02] ThatGraemeGuy: do you know delivery time of takealot because they in ct [20:02] looked at them just now [20:03] each item will have a delivery estimate [20:03] are you colourblind? [20:04] oh the top dark purple [20:04] yeah [20:05] as you can see your cpu spends quite a bit of time waiting for disk operations [20:05] yeah [20:05] compare to my laptop with ssd: http://i.imgur.com/vmbI226.png [20:06] oh wow no time waiting [20:06] yeah [20:06] here let me reboot quickly [20:06] yeah well now the thing is to find one [20:07] did you time that [20:08] no [20:08] i guess under a minute [20:08] i'll time it [20:08] hehe was close to 35 secs methinks [20:09] lol [20:10] stupid freenode [20:10] lol [20:10] it was 22 sec and freenode wouldn't let me on [20:10] whew [20:10] the link i gave theblazehen is slow he says [20:11] Kilos: Still fast [20:11] Just slow for a ssd [20:11] what's your budget and size you want [20:11] a HDD can do like 120 MB/s read [20:11] that ssd 300 something [20:11] well the pro says 64g is fine for me [20:11] Yeah, it should be [20:11] My brother is on 16 GB.. [20:11] hah [20:11] budget? [20:12] i have 1400 now [20:12] how much are you wanting to spend on the ssd? [20:12] but need 150 for data again [20:12] well as little as possible i think [20:13] but up to 1200 [20:13] that above link is for 735 and its a 128g [20:13] How about one of those hybrid drives, ThatGraemeGuy? [20:13] and its in pretoria [20:14] "as little as possible" is how you end up with slow SATA disks :) [20:15] ThatGraemeGuy: nah, RAID from flash disks you manage to find.. [20:15] Linux slow af on a USB disk.. [20:15] Maybe it's just gnome 3 [20:15] ya ya but what is a good one gonna cost me ? is 1200 too min [20:15] http://www.takealot.com/corsair-64gb-neutron-solid-state-drive/PLID32583051 [20:16] I'm not a great hardware nerd but afaik corsair is solid [20:16] ThatGraemeGuy: IOPS low.. [20:16] lemme see if I can find link to mine [20:16] see shipped in 15 to 20 working days [20:16] i might be dead b y then man [20:17] its within his budget and a whole lot faster than any SATA disk [20:17] meh ok [20:17] lol [20:17] good luck then [20:17] Mine was also in 900 something, double the IOPS [20:17] but i would go for that if it could be here in 2 days [20:18] where is the bottleneck [20:18] http://www.wootware.co.za/transcend-ssd370-series-64gb-2-5-mlc-solid-state-drive.html ah, 700 something ! [20:18] ^ my one [20:19] ThatGraemeGuy: thoughts on that one? [20:20] theblazehen: how much more for delivery costs [20:20] Kilos: not sure. [20:21] But not 200 more I'm sure.. [20:21] ThatGraemeGuy: is the takealot one still have delivery charges to add [20:22] that one looks good [20:22] takealot is free delivery for R300 and up i think [20:23] thats good then ill go for that and sweat till it gets here [20:24] Kilos: which one? [20:24] Kilos: on wootware there is a button titled calculate delivery, which is just below the name of the product. [20:24] Simply click on this and fill in your street/postal code [20:24] lemme see [20:27] sjoe what is a street code [20:27] i put postal code and it said please give a valid one [20:28] Kilos: where will you want it delivered? [20:28] Kilos: they only open again 6 Jan.. [20:28] But they have live support that can help too [20:28] right here if possible inetpro [20:28] btw, size matters [20:29] size? [20:29] see: SSD performance scaling across the spectrum http://techreport.com/review/22358/ssd-performance-scaling-across-the-spectrum [20:29] or To what extent is size a factor in SSD performance? http://superuser.com/questions/59798/to-what-extent-is-size-a-factor-in-ssd-performance [20:30] inetpro: yeah, but among the 64 GB my one is better than the other one that was posted [20:30] Double the IOPS [20:30] and almost double read [20:30] oh bigger ones are faster [20:30] I guess it depends on the specs as well [20:31] I thought smaller would be faster [20:33] you really have to compare apples with apples [20:33] wb ThatGraemeGuy [20:33] mmm [20:34] found a weird bug [20:34] ThatGraemeGuy: what happened? [20:34] that one you gave is 6g/s right [20:34] plugged in my laptop charger and the little icon thingy didn't show it was charging [20:34] so i shut it off, and noticed that the little light on the laptop went off when i unplugged [20:34] ThatGraemeGuy: what's acpi say? [20:35] plug in and boot again and now it shows its charging [20:35] so it looks like it doesn't realise it went into charge mode unless i reboot [20:36] inetpro: that corsair one is more expensive but also much faster not so? [20:37] * inetpro not sure [20:38] http://www.takealot.com/corsair-64gb-neutron-solid-state-drive/PLID32583051 [20:38] look specs [20:39] Interface SATA 6Gbs [20:40] theblazehen: one is 570MB/s, 470MB/s [20:40]