[05:40] <Kilos> hi GoGoPowerRanger 
[05:45] <Kilos> wbb
[05:55] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[05:55]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[05:57] <Kilos> morning all
[05:57] <Kilos> my konversation is sick
[05:57] <Kilos> inetpro: fix it
[05:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:00] <Kilos> Maaz: danke
[06:00] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[06:22] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi more oom Kilos :)
[06:22] <nuvolari> hi Maaz 
[06:22] <Kilos> lo nuvolari gaaint seun?
[06:22] <nuvolari> Geniet oom Kilos se laaste dag van 2014!
[06:22] <Kilos> gaanit ook
[06:23] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie en met oom?
[06:23] <Kilos> goed dankie, soek nou n ssd
[06:23] <Kilos> hehe almal se hulle so vinnig
[06:24] <nuvolari> ek sal nie weet nie oom :P
[06:24] <nuvolari> nog nie experience nie
[06:25] <nuvolari> my laptop werk fine, so ek weet nie van beter nie :P
[06:26] <Kilos> graeme se dis beter om n ssd te koop as om n i5 cpu in te sit
[06:26] <Kilos> so ons sal sien
[06:26] <nuvolari> maar hulle's klein :(
[06:26] <Kilos> hulle net duur jong
[06:27] <nuvolari> dit ook
[06:27] <Kilos> ja maar hulle se dis net vir die os en ander drives vir data
[06:29] <Kilos> is jy gelukkig daar in die kaap?
[06:29] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:29] <nuvolari> oh hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:29] <nuvolari> ja oom Kilos! Behalwe vir die pryse van goed kan ek nie kla nie
[06:29] <nuvolari> hier is bietjie meer gemoedsrus
[06:30] <nuvolari> en die petrol is 'n bargain
[06:30] <nuvolari> :P
[06:30] <Kilos> ek bly vir jou seun
[06:30] <Kilos> petrol?
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> petrol is cheaper at the coast
[06:31] <Kilos> he comes from durbs
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> I R confused, I thought you came from like bloem or something
[06:31] <Kilos> maybe less travelling
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> apologies for the insult :)
[06:31] <Kilos> hehe
[06:32] <Kilos> he is from bloem but worked in durbs for years
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah see i'm not completely dumb
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> just a little
[06:32] <Kilos> must be the way you comb your hair
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can't comb 2cm of hair
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2mm rather
[06:33] <Kilos> haha do you also just run the hair cutting tool over everything
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, self-service barber
[06:34] <Kilos> me too, yay for wahl
[06:34] <Kilos> beard moush and hair
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> seen how much those cost now? i got mine for under R100 way back when
[06:35] <Kilos> shaving sucks
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> think they're over 300 already
[06:35] <Kilos> wow
[06:35] <Kilos> mine is about 20 or even 30 years old
[06:36] <Kilos> quality machines
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> do you know what kind of oil is meant to be used for it? mine came with a little tubelet of oil which appears to have grown legs last time i wanted to use it
[06:38] <Kilos> i have just used Q20 after every cut
[06:39] <Kilos> protects against rust as well
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah i'll try that
[06:40] <Kilos> you really got my head in a tiz now with the ssd thing
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry, was not my intention
[06:41] <Kilos> lol i want one now
[06:41] <Kilos> then ive got money for biltong and chocolate too
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> how big is your /var/cache/munin/www directory?
[06:42] <Kilos> lemme go see
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> zip it and dropbox it and i'll check out the graphs
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> should be <10MB
[06:44] <bduk1> Morning  everyone
[06:44] <Kilos> 3.8 MiB
[06:44] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[06:46] <Kilos> screenshot is ctrl+F10 hey?
[06:46] <Kilos> it even shows the time pc was off last night
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> prtscn should do a screenshot
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> well maybe, not sure how your DE is set up
[06:49] <Kilos> command not found
[06:50] <nuvolari> hrr, python geeks, which REPL's are available out there that you can recommend? I had one some time ago with tab-completion and colours, but I can for the life of me not remember what it was called :(
[06:50] <nuvolari> bpython seems close, but that wasn't it
[06:56] <bduk1> Sorry  the only python I know is a snak
[06:57] <bduk1> Snake
[06:57] <nuvolari> ooh, I might actually be sold on bpython :P
[06:57] <nuvolari> lol bduk1 
[06:57] <nuvolari> that's OK
[07:01] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: http://picpaste.com/munin-GH2P88g3.png
[07:01] <Kilos> ksnapshot worked
[07:02] <Kilos> i have no idea what all that stuff means
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> thats why i asked you to zip and dropbox it, there's a lot more than just that graph
[07:04] <Kilos> sjoe 
[07:04] <Kilos> i didnt even see that sorry
[07:05] <Kilos> was too busy
[07:05] <Kilos> so you want the www folder?
[07:05] <Kilos> can i send it unzipped
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[07:06] <Kilos> ok lemme find my dropbox
[07:08] <Kilos> this can take a while, not sure where i saved dropbox info
[07:22] <superfly> good evening all
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> good afterevemorn
[07:26] <Kilos> hi there superfly 
[07:26] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: i had to install dropbox first, now do i use the send link or invite you there?
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't know i've never done that
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> you've shared stuff with me on dropbox before
[07:30] <Kilos> oh my
[07:31] <Kilos> so can you see my dropbox?
[07:31] <Kilos> im totally lost here
[07:32] <Kilos> try https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tsjrqlz1g7lvyqv/AAD5TxnPYBIJ7uXFIUCJ9guKa?dl=0
[07:34] <Kilos> bduk: next week is too far away, cant you just call your supplier and see if i can fetch near here
[07:38] <bduk> problem is that most of the places where he  get stock from is closed now
[07:38] <Kilos> how do i find someone in pta with stock then i can send ian to get one
[07:40] <Kilos> GoGoPowerRanger: is that you wraz
[07:47] <Kilos> Zarw: morning
[07:51] <Kilos> haha AndChat|99281 daai ding is siek man
[07:53] <Kilos> im not sure if you busy ThatGraemeGuy or if you didnt realise the link was for you
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> ta Kilos will check it out just now
[08:10] <Kilos> hehe
[08:48] <Kilos> ok tomorrow im going with ian to rustenburg and get a 128G ssd for R1300
[09:05] <bduk> kilos 128gb vir r1300 by corupted connections kolonade of 1tb vir r7000 by itworx 
[09:06] <Kilos> sjoe is that 7000 or 700
[09:07] <Kilos> and is that corrupt connections incredible connections
[09:07] <bduk> seven thousand
[09:07] <bduk> jip
[09:07] <Kilos> wow how can there be such a price differense
[09:08] <Kilos> someone is ripping someone off badly
[09:08] <bduk> its a 1 tb for 7000
[09:09] <bduk> waas jou bril
[09:09] <Kilos> oh sorry i missed that
[09:09] <Kilos> lol skuus man
[09:10] <Kilos> dankie vir die info
[09:15] <bduk> byt vas tot  volgende week man seker ons sal beter prys kry
[09:15] <Kilos> ja maar dan is ian nie hier nie
[09:15] <Kilos> hy se hy sal my vat
[09:17] <bduk> waar bly jy kilos
[09:18] <Kilos> wes van pretoria
[09:18] <bduk> hoe ver
[09:18] <Kilos> 6ks verby laaste robot by mahem
[09:19] <bduk> van der hof uit
[09:20] <Kilos> ja
[09:20] <Kilos> is daar nog een van hulle aan die noorde kant van pretoria
[09:21] <Kilos> op daai pad na julle toe was daar altyd een'
[09:27] <bduk> weet nie ken nie daaikant nie 
[09:29] <Kilos> ek was jare laas daar gewees maar miskien het hulle toe gemaak daar want daai winkel wys nie op google maps nie
[09:30] <bduk> mazal se jy kan wootware ook probeer online shop
[09:31] <Kilos> waar is hulle
[09:31] <bduk> online
[09:36] <Kilos> R1,195.00 for die selle ding en dan moet ek wag, 
[09:38] <bduk> se mos dis n slegte tyd vir sulke dinge
[09:41] <Kilos> ek sal maar saam met ian ry more na sy huis in rustenburg en een daar kry 
[09:41] <Kilos> dan is dit in my hand
[09:42] <bduk> ok
[09:43] <Kilos> so net beter gewees het vandag want ek het 400m data wat middernag verval
[09:43] <Kilos> grrr
[09:43] <Kilos> dankie vir die hulp
[09:45] <bduk> volgende week gaan jy dalk hartseer wees as ek dalk n goeie prys vir jou kry
[09:45] <Kilos> lol
[10:37] <theblazehen> hi
[10:43] <inetpro> Kilos: don't take the bigger drive man, 64GB is more than enough
[10:44] <inetpro> we also have incredible corruption here by us at Wonderpark
[10:45] <inetpro> but I'm sre you can get a better price at other places
[10:45] <inetpro> incredible corruption tends to be on the expensive side
[10:46] <inetpro> unless they have it on special
[10:47] <theblazehen> Hi..
[10:47] <inetpro> hello theblazehen
[10:48] <bduk1> Mornings
[10:48] <theblazehen> Hi
[10:48] <theblazehen> My quassel host ran out of disk space :/
[10:48] <inetpro> ouch!
[10:49] <theblazehen> I wanted to see how long it would take to clone the android source there..
[10:49] <theblazehen> Turns out android is bigger than 10 GB
[11:10] <Kilos> hmm... sorry was outside
[11:11] <inetpro> theblazehen: wow 10GB for a mobile OS is massive
[11:11] <Kilos> inetpro: the local shops only have the 128g ssd's
[11:11] <inetpro> hmm... have you phoned around?
[11:11] <Kilos> ian did
[11:12] <Kilos> its only that one site that has the 64g cheap like that
[11:13] <Kilos> i dunno how to find pcs shops in pta
[11:13] <Kilos> all centurion and far like that
[11:14] <Kilos> as you know google isnt my friend
[11:14] <Kilos> oh and morning inetpro theblazehen 
[11:15] <inetpro> Incredible Connection, Wonderpark, Telephone: 012-549-9270 , 012-549-9280
[11:16] <Kilos> ty sir
[11:19] <inetpro> Optimus Computer Solutions, 211 Bezuidenhout Street, +27 12 377 1861
[11:20] <inetpro> Klasie Computers, 485 Sannie Street, +27 12 379 0392
[11:21] <inetpro> Compu-Ants, 989 Keyter Street, +27 76 876 1054
[11:21] <inetpro> found all those with a google map search in your area
[11:22] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[11:22] <Kilos> ty inetpro R849 for 64g at wonderpark
[11:25] <inetpro> plenty other places, many of them not even listed as computer shops on google 
[11:25] <Kilos> optimus will only have next year
[11:26] <Kilos> ty for the help
[11:26] <inetpro> yw
[11:41] <Kilos> ok i go wonderpark
[11:42] <Kilos> other places dont have or are temporarily closed down and you get home fones
[12:11]  * ThatGraemeGuy pokes Kilos 
[13:06] <theblazehen> inetpro: yeah, thats in source form .. linux is like 500 MB?
[13:06] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[13:39] <Kilos> ai!
[13:40] <Kilos> corruptable connection
[13:41] <Kilos> fone and they say they have 64g in stock. get there and only 128m for R1399
[13:41]  * Kilos cries
[13:42] <bushtech> bastards
[13:47] <inetpro> eish!
[13:47] <inetpro> Kilos: did you buy it?
[13:47] <Kilos> no
[13:47] <inetpro> good
[13:48] <Kilos> tried matrix and hifi corp as well. only 128m
[13:48] <inetpro> ai!
[13:48] <Kilos> what a low blow
[13:49] <inetpro> spend your money wisely only when you get the best deal
[13:49] <Kilos> that would be to order from loot.co.za i think it was for R538
[13:50] <inetpro> yes that sounds much better
[13:50] <inetpro> and they would even deliver for free I think
[14:03] <theblazehen> Kilos: for what size is R538?
[14:03] <Kilos> 64g
[14:04] <Kilos> im trying to find the link
[14:06] <Kilos> http://www.loot.co.za/product/transcend-ssd340-series-solid-state-drive-64gb-sata-i/pvyl-2916-g650
[14:06] <Kilos> first need to deposit cash in ians bank then order
[14:07] <Kilos> and thatgraemeguy poked me while i was away
[14:08] <Kilos> now he gone home already
[14:17] <Kilos> i worry though, everywhere else prices more than them
[14:17] <Kilos> http://www.pricewatch.com/gallery/hard_removable_drives/ssd_64gb\
[14:41] <bduk1> If it sounds to good tl be true it usualy is a catch
[15:46] <Kilos>  thats what im worried about
[15:46] <Kilos> rather pay R1300 and have a 128g in my hand than stand a chance of losing 358
[15:52] <theblazehen> ya
[15:52] <theblazehen> my 64 GB was 900 something
[15:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:55] <Kilos> how does one find out if they are genuine
[15:56] <Kilos> other than sending the mafia to the ceo's house
[15:57] <theblazehen> dunno
[16:00] <Kilos> took me a year to save R1400
[16:00] <Kilos> so i bang to take chances
[16:06] <theblazehen> Eish, you sure big ssd is best idea?
[16:18] <theblazehen> maybe HDD, small ssd, and bcache?
[16:20] <Kilos> ya but to pay over R800 for 64g
[16:21] <Kilos> then surely R1300 for 128g isnt bad
[16:22] <theblazehen> I guess
[16:22] <theblazehen> Maybe see how much a 16 or 32 is?
[16:22] <Kilos> anyway other than buying online i cant find a place with 64g ssd's
[16:22] <theblazehen> Ah
[16:22]  * theblazehen has a 64
[16:22] <theblazehen> Nice, but little small. Will need to but a sata cable and the do bcache with laptop HDD
[16:23] <Kilos> will check tomorrow at incredible connection in rustenburg and maybe shop around some at those pc stores
[17:56] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:56] <Kilos> storming now
[19:48] <Kilos> http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/170595519/ADATA_Premier_Pro_SP600_ASP600S3_128GM_C_2_5_128GB_SATA_III_MLC_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_SSD_R.html
[19:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey Kilos 
[19:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> open up that munin page
[19:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have a minute
[19:48] <Kilos> theblazehen: ^^
[19:48] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy sorry i was out
[19:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[19:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> just wanted to point out the most meaningful graphs
[19:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: slowish for an SSD, but still a lot faster than a HDD
[19:50] <Kilos> whats the browser entry i put in please
[19:50] <Kilos> ian was busy here
[19:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> file:///var/cache/munin/www/index.html
[19:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> actually wait
[19:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> let me give you the direct links, even better
[19:51] <Kilos> ok
[19:52] <Kilos> it was open but he crashed the browser somehow 
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/diskstats_iops/index.html
[19:52] <Kilos> opening 20+ links
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/diskstats_latency/index.html
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> got them open?
[19:53] <Kilos> sec
[19:54] <Kilos> ok they open
[19:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok first diskstats_iops
[19:54] <Kilos> ya
[19:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> those spikes are pretty high and close to the physical limit of a spinning platter disk
[19:55] <Kilos> ok
[19:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> latency is how long it takes a block device (i.e. hard disk, etc) to complete a write operation
[19:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> those aren't too horrible on average
[19:57] <Kilos> ok
[19:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> but the cpu is the most obvious one
[19:58] <Kilos> what does that tell you?
[19:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> the green/system and blue/user parts are the ones that would typically benefit from a better CPU
[19:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> those represent time the cpu spends doing calculations all on its own
[19:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> and you can see those are very small
[19:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> you are nowhere near maxing out the performance of even a single core
[19:59] <Kilos> oh cool
[19:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> see the scale on the left goes to 200? at 100% it means you are working 1 core very hard nearly constantly
[19:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're around 10% or less
[19:59] <Kilos> now theblazehen says that link i gave him is a slow ssd
[20:00] <Kilos> yay
[20:00] <theblazehen> Yeah, mine gets like 70k IOPS, near 600 MB/s read
[20:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> the purple part of the cpu graph is key, that's time spent by the CPU waiting for disk operations to complete
[20:00] <Kilos> theblazehen: where did you get yours
[20:00] <theblazehen> Kilos: online, wootware.co.za
[20:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> and as you can see your CPU is spending a lot of time waiting for data to be fetched or written to disk
[20:00] <theblazehen> I have transcend
[20:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: also look at takealot.com, they tend to be good on pricing
[20:01] <Kilos> is the purple part the yellow in the centre
[20:01] <Kilos> i dont see purple
[20:02] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: do you know delivery time of takealot because they in ct
[20:02] <Kilos> looked at them just now
[20:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> each item will have a delivery estimate
[20:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> are you colourblind?
[20:04] <Kilos> oh the top dark purple
[20:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[20:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> as you can see your cpu spends quite a bit of time waiting for disk operations
[20:05] <Kilos> yeah
[20:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> compare to my laptop with ssd: http://i.imgur.com/vmbI226.png
[20:06] <Kilos> oh wow no time waiting
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> here let me reboot quickly
[20:06] <Kilos> yeah well now the thing is to find one
[20:07] <Kilos> did you time that
[20:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[20:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> i guess under a minute
[20:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll time it
[20:08] <Kilos> hehe was close to 35 secs methinks
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[20:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> stupid freenode
[20:10] <Kilos> lol
[20:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> it was 22 sec and freenode wouldn't let me on
[20:10] <Kilos> whew
[20:10] <Kilos> the link i gave theblazehen is slow he says
[20:11] <theblazehen> Kilos: Still fast
[20:11] <theblazehen> Just slow for a ssd
[20:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's your budget and size you want
[20:11] <theblazehen> a HDD can do like 120 MB/s read
[20:11] <theblazehen> that ssd 300 something
[20:11] <Kilos> well the pro says 64g is fine for me
[20:11] <theblazehen> Yeah, it should be
[20:11] <theblazehen> My brother is on 16 GB..
[20:11] <theblazehen> hah
[20:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> budget?
[20:12] <Kilos> i have 1400 now
[20:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> how much are you wanting to spend on the ssd?
[20:12] <Kilos> but need 150 for data again
[20:12] <Kilos> well as little as possible i think
[20:13] <Kilos> but up to 1200
[20:13] <Kilos> that above link is for 735 and its a 128g
[20:13] <theblazehen> How about one of those hybrid drives, ThatGraemeGuy?
[20:13] <Kilos> and its in pretoria
[20:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> "as little as possible" is how you end up with slow SATA disks :)
[20:15] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: nah, RAID from flash disks you manage to find..
[20:15] <theblazehen> Linux slow af on a USB disk.. 
[20:15] <theblazehen> Maybe it's just gnome 3
[20:15] <Kilos> ya ya but what is a good one gonna cost me ? is 1200 too min
[20:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.takealot.com/corsair-64gb-neutron-solid-state-drive/PLID32583051
[20:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm not a great hardware nerd but afaik corsair is solid
[20:16] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: IOPS low..
[20:16] <theblazehen> lemme see if I can find link to mine
[20:16] <Kilos> see shipped in 15 to 20 working days
[20:16] <Kilos> i might be dead b y then man
[20:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> its within his budget and a whole lot faster than any SATA disk
[20:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh ok
[20:17] <Kilos> lol
[20:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> good luck then
[20:17] <theblazehen> Mine was also in 900 something, double the IOPS
[20:17] <Kilos> but i would go for that if it could be here in 2 days 
[20:18] <Kilos> where is the bottleneck
[20:18] <theblazehen> http://www.wootware.co.za/transcend-ssd370-series-64gb-2-5-mlc-solid-state-drive.html ah, 700 something !
[20:18] <theblazehen> ^ my one
[20:19] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: thoughts on that one?
[20:20] <Kilos> theblazehen: how much more for delivery costs
[20:20] <theblazehen> Kilos: not sure.
[20:21] <theblazehen> But not 200 more I'm sure..
[20:21] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: is the takealot one still have delivery charges to add
[20:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> that one looks good
[20:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> takealot is free delivery for R300 and up i think
[20:23] <Kilos> thats good then ill go for that and sweat till it gets here
[20:24] <theblazehen> Kilos: which one?
[20:24] <inetpro> Kilos: on wootware there is a button titled calculate delivery, which is just below the name of the product.
[20:24] <inetpro> Simply click on this and fill in your street/postal code
[20:24] <Kilos> lemme see
[20:27] <Kilos> sjoe what is a street code
[20:27] <Kilos> i put postal code and it said please give a valid one
[20:28] <inetpro> Kilos: where will you want it delivered?
[20:28] <theblazehen> Kilos: they only open again 6 Jan..
[20:28] <theblazehen> But they have live support that can help too
[20:28] <Kilos> right here if possible inetpro 
[20:28] <inetpro> btw, size matters
[20:29] <Kilos> size?
[20:29] <inetpro> see: SSD performance scaling across the spectrum http://techreport.com/review/22358/ssd-performance-scaling-across-the-spectrum
[20:29] <inetpro> or To what extent is size a factor in SSD performance? http://superuser.com/questions/59798/to-what-extent-is-size-a-factor-in-ssd-performance
[20:30] <theblazehen> inetpro: yeah, but among the 64 GB my one is better than the other one that was posted
[20:30] <theblazehen> Double the IOPS
[20:30] <theblazehen> and almost double read
[20:30] <Kilos> oh bigger ones are faster
[20:30] <inetpro> I guess it depends on the specs as well
[20:31] <inetpro> I thought smaller would be faster
[20:33] <inetpro> you really have to compare apples with apples
[20:33] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy 
[20:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[20:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> found a weird bug
[20:34] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: what happened?
[20:34] <Kilos> that one you gave is 6g/s right
[20:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> plugged in my laptop charger and the little icon thingy didn't show it was charging
[20:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> so i shut it off, and noticed that the little light on the laptop went off when i unplugged
[20:34] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: what's acpi say?
[20:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> plug in and boot again and now it shows its charging
[20:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> so it looks like it doesn't realise it went into charge mode unless i reboot
[20:36] <Kilos> inetpro: that corsair one is more expensive but also much faster not so?
[20:37]  * inetpro not sure
[20:38] <Kilos> http://www.takealot.com/corsair-64gb-neutron-solid-state-drive/PLID32583051
[20:38] <Kilos> look specs
[20:39] <Kilos> Interface SATA 6Gbs
[20:40] <Kilos> theblazehen: one is 570MB/s, 470MB/s
[20:40] <Kilos> and if takealot dont charge delivery then its about () bucks diffs
[20:41] <Kilos> 90
[20:41] <theblazehen> Kilos: hald the IOPS though
[20:41] <theblazehen> half
[20:42] <Kilos> so which one is faster
[20:42] <theblazehen> Kilos: my one
[20:42] <Kilos> oh my
[20:43] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: ty for explaining the munin stuffs to me
[20:44] <Kilos> i cant get the delivery thing working
[20:44] <inetpro> try finding the 128GB specs and the compare pricing per MB
[20:44] <Kilos> Door-to-Door Courier
[20:44] <Kilos> Postal Code Detected, Please Use Valid Street Code R0.00
[20:45] <inetpro> Kilos: have you never had something delivered to your doorstep?
[20:45] <Kilos> ya my harddrive
[20:46] <Kilos> and this mothewrboard
[20:46] <inetpro> hmm.. and you entered the same physical address?
[20:47] <Kilos>  4KB Random Read-Up to 40,000 IOPS
[20:47] <Kilos> thats the 128g in pretoria
[20:48] <inetpro> theblazehen, ThatGraemeGuy: higher IOPS is faster, not?
[20:48] <Kilos> no man i told the sales person my co-ords
[20:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> higher is better yes, but don't get too stuck on that
[20:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm pretty sure they all use different methods of measuring that, it doesn't really matter a whole lot for a desktop pc
[20:49] <Kilos> look at this one please
[20:49] <Kilos> http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/170595519/ADATA_Premier_Pro_SP600_ASP600S3_128GM_C_2_5_128GB_SATA_III_MLC_Internal_Solid_State_Drive_SSD_R.html
[20:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'd go with the corsair personally
[20:51] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: Just brand preference, or is there a technical reason there too?
[20:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't know the brand but i do know corsair are pretty solid
[20:53] <inetpro> R971 / 64 GB = R15.17 per GB
[20:53] <inetpro> R720 / 64 GB = R11.25 per GB
[20:53] <inetpro> R737.49 / 128 GB = R5.76 per GB
[20:53] <superfly> I agree with ThatGraemeGuy
[20:53] <superfly> Corsair are decent
[20:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> and i have a ton of experience that says that buying the cheapest is not always the correct choice
[20:53] <Kilos> ya inetpro but blaze says its slow the 128g
[20:54] <theblazehen> Kilos: slow is relative
[20:54] <Kilos> ai!
[20:54] <theblazehen> Kilos: will be way faster than a HDD
[20:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> ignore that, any SSD you get will be orders of magnitude faster than a platter disk
[20:54] <theblazehen> basically any ssd is faster than hdd
[20:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> to the point that its pretty irrelevant for a desktop pc
[20:55] <inetpro> cool, I would say go with experience
[20:55] <Kilos> so we go corsair then
[20:55] <Kilos> this is a family decision
[20:56] <Kilos> 2 votes for corsair so far
[20:56] <inetpro> try find a 128 corsair and compare the pricing before you make the final decision
[20:56] <theblazehen> alright, another for the corsair
[20:56] <Kilos> whew this googling has had ian on pc for hours
[21:04] <Kilos> R1572 for 128g
[21:06] <Kilos> corsair that is
[21:07] <Kilos> methinks we go with the 64g corsair
[21:11] <Kilos> takealot dont seem to keep the corsair 12g they show cresent 128g
[21:15] <Kilos> oh i also saw somewhere they even have pcie ssd's
[21:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night all
[21:35] <inetpro> Hope you are ready for another big year. Wishing you great success, good health and happiness in 2015. Happy New Year!!﻿
[21:36] <inetpro> good night
[21:38] <Kilos> night all
[21:38] <Kilos> ty inetpro and the same to you sir
[22:00] <theblazehen> Happy new year!
[22:11] <theblazehen> Damn, I was 55 seconds late