[05:16] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos 
[05:17] <Kilos> hi theblazehen and others 
[05:17] <Kilos> happy new years to you all
[05:17] <theblazehen> Same to you Kilos 
[06:11] <Kilos> theblazehen: only drawback i see with the ssd is because of its size one cant do data recoveries from large drives
[06:15] <Kilos> otherwise its all go
[06:15] <Kilos> hi bduk  en bduk1 
[06:16] <Kilos> alles wat mal is vir julle
[06:49] <theblazehen> Kilos: get a bigger SSD ;)
[06:49] <theblazehen> up to 3TB
[06:49] <Kilos> rofl
[06:50] <theblazehen> They're expensive enough, that if you have to ask for the price, then it's too much
[06:50] <Kilos> im not rockafella im the other fella
[06:50] <theblazehen> lol
[06:50] <theblazehen> hi AndChat|99281
[06:55] <Kilos> haha its barry on his tablet
[06:57] <theblazehen> ah
[06:58] <Kilos> but tablet got same bad connection as his pc there where he is
[06:58] <theblazehen> ah
[07:11] <bduk1> Morning everyone, hope you all have a real good year
[07:18] <Kilos> you too bduk1 
[07:19] <Kilos> i go to rustenburg now. see you all this evening
[07:19] <Kilos> Maaz: watch them
[07:19] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[12:05] <magespawn> good afternoon 
[12:11] <bushtech> good afternoon magespawn 
[12:14] <magespawn> how has the new year been so far?
[12:15] <bushtech> hanging in there
[12:15] <magespawn> yup i think i will be taking a nap ina little bit
[12:16] <bushtech> heh heh
[12:21] <samkelo> greetings 
[12:24] <magespawn> network still up to old year tricks
[12:28] <bushtech> dont put a huawei router in there unless you're feeling really adventurous 
[12:40] <magespawn> agg no this was just cell-c
[12:41] <magespawn> i have huawei adsl router that i have never been able to get working properly
[12:41] <bushtech> Oh Ah, the eternal problem
[12:43] <bushtech> my huawei is the first router I have come across that cant dish out fixed IP addresses to it's attached computers
[12:43] <bushtech> grrrr
[12:43] <magespawn> they do funny things
[12:43] <bushtech> the function does not exist
[12:44] <bushtech> I even asked huawei
[16:15] <inetpro> good evening
[16:15] <inetpro> bushtech: can't you set static IP addresses on the computers themselves?
[16:22] <bushtech> inetpro, yes thats what I had to do but even then you can only see the attached computers by their mac addresses
[16:23] <inetpro> see the attached computers from what point of view?
[16:23] <bushtech> on the router
[16:24] <bushtech> stupid router
[16:24] <inetpro> what router is this?
[16:26] <bushtech> B583, bought it because it was the only one I could find at short notice that has got an antenna out for a yagi
[16:29] <inetpro> hmm... 
[16:30]  * inetpro has the B593s-601 
[16:30] <bushtech> hope yours can do it?
[16:31] <inetpro> mine has the option to create a Bundled Address List which seems to be what you want
[16:32] <ambo_> inetpro: I'm about to buy one of those - does it treat you well?
[16:32] <bushtech> can you tell me where it is in its webpage?
[16:33] <inetpro> ambo: mine is still fairly new so I have not explored all the options, so far am quite happy
[16:34] <inetpro> only thing I would have expected in a new router like this is more options to limit bandwidth per device
[16:34] <bushtech> I revved Huawei about it so hopefully it helped
[16:37] <inetpro> perhaps better to teach the kids how to use bandwidth sparingly in the long run 
[16:38] <bushtech> good luck:)
[16:41] <inetpro> nice thing is that the router has Wi-Fi Multi-SSID with up to four different access channels
[16:43] <inetpro> with this enabled I can connect different devices to different channels and effectively see the utilisation stats per channel
[16:43] <ambo> access channels?
[16:43] <inetpro> wifi access points
[16:44] <inetpro> effectively up to four different wifi networks
[16:45] <inetpro> unfortunately all in the same IP address range, but in my case that is all fine
[16:46] <ambo> have you tried the VoIP thing?
[16:47] <inetpro> not yet
[16:56] <inetpro> ahh... by forcing fixed IP addresses and with IP filtering I can perhaps limit specific devices to access only specific addresses if I really have to go that route
[17:02] <Kilos> guten abend you herren okes
[17:04] <ambo> inetpro: which network are you using that router on?
[17:04] <Kilos> hi my magespawn 
[17:04] <Kilos> and ambo and inetpro 
[17:05] <Kilos> oh and the fly
[17:07] <Kilos> Maaz: did you watch them?
[17:07] <Maaz> Yeah Kilos They kinda behaved themselves
[17:07] <Kilos> yay
[17:07] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[17:07] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:07] <Kilos> Maaz: botsnack
[17:08] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[17:25] <Kilos> hello kbmonkey  hows you?
[17:25] <Kilos> you better say something, no one else is talking to me
[17:26] <Kilos> aw  he gone afk again
[17:28] <bushtech> Kilos,  jys die hele dag weg skaars 'n halfuur terug en nou moan jy
[17:29] <Kilos> hahaha naand oompie
[17:31] <bushtech> voorspoed vir die nuwe jaar
[17:31] <bushtech> jy moet net werk aan die attitude:)
[17:32] <Kilos> selle daar, wat is foud met my attitude?
[17:33] <Kilos> ek het vandag baie swaar gebry
[17:34] <Kilos> het probeer n i7 laptop boot van my pc-repair flash en kon nie die ding stel om te boot van usb nie
[17:34] <bushtech> die gemoanery
[17:34] <Kilos> man dis nie moan nie dis net ekke
[17:34] <bushtech> o ok dis anders
[17:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:35] <bushtech> kon jy in die bios inkom?
[17:35] <Kilos> ja
[17:36] <inetpro> ambo: am using Telkom Mobile 10GB + 10GB
[17:36] <inetpro> ambo: or what do you mean what network?
[17:36] <ambo> yeah - I meant mobile operator ;-)
[17:36] <Kilos> het probeer dit maak om usb hdd en key en n ander opsie maar dit wys die usb opsies as not relevant
[17:36] <Kilos> grrr
[17:36] <ambo> do you know if that unit works on MTN and Vodacom?
[17:36] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[17:37] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[17:37] <inetpro> ambo: it should work
[17:37] <ambo> they all run their LTE networks in different frequency bands so it can cause compatibility issues
[17:38] <inetpro> een CellC said I should just get a router from Telkom when I asked whether they have a wifi-router the other day
[17:38] <inetpro> even CellC*
[17:39] <bushtech> Kilos, Ek het dit al gehad dat ek eers iets anders in die bios moet stel, reboot en dan die boot order stel
[17:39] <inetpro> ambo: why, is VC or MTN cheaper these days?
[17:39] <inetpro> or you don't have TM coverage?
[17:39] <Kilos> aha ek sal probeer dankie bushtech 
[17:40] <ambo> lol inetpro - no I just have existing SIMs on a Vodacom contract
[17:40] <Kilos> so eers stell om van dvd te boot en na die boot dit dan stel na usb?
[17:41] <bushtech> nee dit was iets andersop 'n andeer bladsy in die bios
[17:41] <Kilos> o
[17:42] <bushtech> as ek 'n gap kry sal ek daai computer reboot en kyk wat dit was
[17:42] <Kilos> dankie
[17:43] <Kilos> ek vou hier kom groet maar nie van win7 nie
[17:43] <Kilos> wou
[17:50] <inetpro> ambo: apparently this one supports FDD 1800/2600MHz & TDD 2300MHz
[17:50] <inetpro> so looks like VC and MTN should be fine
[17:50] <inetpro> not sure about CellC
[17:52] <inetpro> CellC uses 2100 FDD according to wikipedia
[17:52] <inetpro> VC and MTN use 1800 FDD
[17:53] <inetpro> and TM uses 2300MHz TDD
[17:53] <Kilos> whats the FDD and TDD inetpro ?
[17:54] <ambo> Frequency Division Duplexing vs Time Division Duplexing
[17:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:54] <Kilos> ty
[17:54] <Kilos> is one better than the other?
[17:55] <ambo> FDD uses two frequencies for send & receive
[17:55] <Kilos> ah i get it now
[17:55] <ambo> TDD shares the same frequency but each end sends in different time slots
[17:56] <Kilos> TDD splits send/receive on same frequency
[17:56] <Kilos> ah
[17:56] <Kilos> i type too slow
[17:56] <ambo> which is better... that's an endless debate ;-)
[18:03] <Kilos> just thinking about it ,FDD should be quicker because you can send receive simultaneously
[18:04] <Kilos> something they do must work with TDD because my tm modem flies
[18:05] <Kilos> but then again too many variables
[18:06] <ambo> there isn't any noticable difference in speeds
[18:06] <ambo> the TDD switches so fast that you don't notice a slowness
[18:08] <Kilos> i mean variables when trying to compare them because the net isnt stable anyway 1 minute from the next
[18:10] <Kilos> you would need 2 same pcs and download from same place at exactly the same time i think
[18:10] <ambo> to compare FDD and TDD ?
[18:10] <Kilos> ya
[18:15] <magespawn> good evening
[18:15] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[18:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:15] <magespawn> interesting reading about TDD and FDD
[18:16] <Kilos> yeah i should be able to understand it i thinks
[18:16] <Kilos> its basically same as radio
[18:17] <Kilos> just much higher frequency
[18:19] <Kilos> inetpro: you have a d-link router?
[18:19] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[18:19] <magespawn> indeed, same as wifi, all are using radio frequencies
[18:19] <Kilos> oh
[18:19] <inetpro> Kilos: we were talking about lte frequency bands
[18:20] <Kilos> ian has one that doesnt work on 3g anymore, but i think i forgot to bring it back today
[18:21] <Kilos> was a very long day for me with no ubuntu
[18:22] <magespawn> http://electronicdesign.com/communications/what-s-difference-between-fdd-and-tdd
[18:22] <magespawn> those can very trying days
[18:22] <Kilos> yeah
[18:22] <magespawn> be^
[18:22] <Kilos> i was itching to come home but he had a meeting at 4pm
[18:23] <Kilos> the bakkie water pipe started leaking so we did the travel some, stop fill water bit
[18:33] <magespawn> ouch
[18:34] <Kilos> ya . but ill fix it tomorrow
[18:34] <Kilos> didntr take tools
[18:34] <magespawn> duct tape is an amazing product
[18:34] <magespawn> ahh they also help
[18:34] <Kilos> no duct tape either
[18:35] <Kilos> loose like on of those wire clamp things has cut through th rubber pipe
[18:35] <magespawn> sudo aptitude install tools
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <bushtech> duct tape is a complete toolbox
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <magespawn> that usually happens when the pipe expands too much because of age 
[18:36] <bushtech> who put the clamp on?
[18:36] <magespawn> duct tape, cable ties and steel/super glue
[18:37] <Kilos> i think i did about a year ago
[18:37] <magespawn> fix almost anything
[18:37] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <bushtech> Ah. I was going to suggest go and kick him in the nuts but that;s going to be difficult
[18:38] <Kilos> rofl
[18:42] <magespawn> hah
[19:11] <magespawn> Kilos: what was that monitor they were telling you to install the other day?
[19:12] <Kilos> monitor for what magespawn 
[19:12] <Kilos> you mean munin
[19:12] <Kilos> is that a monitor
[19:12] <Kilos> very clever tool that
[19:13] <magespawn> thats it ty
[19:13] <Kilos> shows my cpu hardly working and the sata drive is whats making things slow
[19:14] <Kilos> and you see what is is doing by running /var/cache/munin/www/index.html in a browser
[19:15] <Kilos> from what i read it should be able to monitor a whole network
[19:17] <magespawn> cool beans
[19:21] <Kilos> magespawn: 
[19:22] <Kilos> if you can read yeasterdays logs before 22.40 you will get the direct commands to see the results in the graphs
[19:23] <Kilos> 3 links from graeme 
[19:24] <Kilos> i can never find where to read lost further than i can scroll back so you can give them to me when you find them
[19:24] <Kilos> please
[19:25] <Kilos> s/lost/logs
[19:25] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:26] <Kilos> we skinnering about you
[19:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> ag shame
[19:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> you have nothing better to do? :)
[19:31] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:32] <Kilos> no man we were calling you to come give those browser link to see the munin outputs
[19:32] <Kilos> i can scroll back that far
[19:32] <Kilos> cant
[19:47] <Kilos> hi samkelo 
[19:47] <samkelo> i Kilos
[20:01] <Kilos> wbb checking something
[20:07] <magespawn> Kilos: i sure there are help and man pages
[20:08] <Kilos> the man page says min
[20:08] <magespawn> i cannot install it at the moment, there seems to be some problem getting to the archive
[20:08] <Kilos> imo anyway
[20:09] <magespawn> and quite often there are many websites with examples
[20:09] <magespawn> okay there we go, it is now installing
[20:11] <magespawn> i was also having a look at a tool called driftnet
[20:14] <Kilos> just tell me how to get last nights logs and ill go find them
[20:14] <magespawn> http://munin-monitoring.org/
[20:14] <Kilos> he explained it all nicely for me
[20:16] <magespawn> here are some examples of live systems http://munin.ping.uio.no/
[20:18] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:18] <Kilos> na i gotta find those he gave and save them
[20:20] <magespawn> they should be here http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[20:21] <Kilos> ty
[20:21] <superfly> night all
[20:21] <magespawn> i am having a look now, from alst night?
[20:22] <magespawn> good night superfly 
[20:22] <Kilos> night superfly 
[20:22] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:22] <Kilos> i dunno how to open them there magespawn 
[20:22] <Kilos> i see folders only
[20:26] <magespawn> if you click on the one with .html at the end it will open in your browser
[20:26] <magespawn> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/12/30/%23ubuntu-za.html
[20:27] <magespawn> the time does not seem to be local for the name of the file, so you might have to go the one marked for the 1st of jan
[20:32] <Kilos> sjoe so much to read, some oke looking where ssd be better or something
[20:32] <Kilos> just look for where graeme pokes miles
[20:33] <Kilos> or ill get it
[20:33] <magespawn> this one is from yesterday http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/12/31/%23ubuntu-za.html
[20:34] <magespawn> you can download it and save it locally, to read later
[20:36] <Kilos> it must be on the first
[20:36] <Kilos> do i just change date in the link?
[20:39] <magespawn> looks that way
[20:44] <Kilos> weird
[20:44] <Kilos> i can only see till 20.30
[20:44] <Kilos> and the rest of the night doesnt show on the 1st either
[20:44] <Kilos> theblazehen: find it man
[20:55] <Kilos> that link should show all chats till midnight
[20:56] <Kilos> unless the pro turned it off when he said night at 20.27
[20:56] <Kilos> inetpro: fix it
[21:02] <Kilos> i think we can mail this guy and ask him where the rest of the nights logs are
[21:02] <Kilos> ai!
[21:02] <Kilos> marius@pov.lt
[21:03] <Kilos> maybe his machine died
[21:07] <Kilos> there i mailed him
[21:23] <magespawn> i am sure ThatGraemeGuy will know them 
[21:25] <magespawn> anyway i am off to bed, already way past my bed time
[21:25] <magespawn> good night
[21:36] <Kilos> sjoe its late
[21:36] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight