[07:50] <Kilos> hi hilake  
[07:50] <Kilos> morning theblazehen  superfly  ambo  inetpro  and others
[07:52] <bushtech> morning
[07:52] <Kilos> hi bushtech  
[08:00] <smile> hi :)
[08:00] <Kilos> hi smile
[08:01] <smile> how are you Kilos ? :D
[08:01] <smile> you are up early :o
[08:01] <Kilos> good ty smile  and you?
[08:01] <Kilos> running a 256GB ssd here now
[08:01] <smile> I'm fine :) I need to learn for my exams :/
[08:01] <smile> Kilos: nice! :D
[08:02] <smile> In the next month or maybe this month I will buy an SSD too
[08:02] <Kilos> exams when?
[08:02] <Kilos> AndChat|99281  maak reg jou niek man
[08:05] <smile> Kilos: monday :p
[08:30] <inetpro> ai!
[08:30] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[08:32] <smile> good morning ;)
[08:34] <inetpro> hello smile, how are things up north?
[08:34] <smile> I don't live in the Netherlands :/
[08:34] <inetpro> where did you move?
[08:35] <smile> I still live in  Belgium :D
[08:35] <inetpro> that's still far north from here
[08:35] <smile> yeah :p
[08:35] <smile> alright ;)
[08:35] <smile> :D
[08:35] <smile> I'm good, how are you? ;)
[08:35]  * inetpro likes that smiley face
[08:36] <inetpro> sunny and hot in Pretoria again today
[08:36] <smile> what about Cape Town :P
[08:36] <smile> :D
[08:44]  * smile hugs inetpro
[08:44] <inetpro> yikes!
[08:48] <smile> :D lol
[08:48] <smile> happy new year, inetpro ;)
[08:48] <inetpro> smile: same to you thanks
[08:49]  * inetpro don't like to be hugged
[08:49] <theblazehen> Morning
[08:50] <smile> inetpro: what DO you like? :p
[08:50] <smile> good morning theblazehen 
[08:50] <theblazehen> Hey smile 
[08:50] <smile> happy new year for you too, theblazehen :)
[08:51] <theblazehen> Thanks, you too smile
[08:52] <inetpro> theblazehen: hmm...
[08:52] <smile> :D
[08:53] <inetpro> that's a tough question for a hot Saturday mornin
[08:54] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[08:54]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:54] <inetpro> perhaps that will help cool us down
[08:55] <theblazehen> inetpro: hmm?
[08:56] <inetpro> Maaz: hmm...
[08:56] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[08:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[08:58] <inetpro> Maaz: thank you kindly
[08:58] <Maaz> inetpro: not at all
[10:23] <magespawn> good afternoon
[10:31] <theblazehen> Hi magespawn 
[11:02] <magespawn> how is the new year treating yo so far theblazehen ?
[11:13] <inetpro> magespawn: wb
[11:14] <inetpro> what did you do to uncle kilos?
[11:28] <theblazehen> magespawn: been alright, and for you?
[11:38] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[11:38] <inetpro> what you broke now?
[11:39] <Kilos> i crashed the ssd and kde
[11:40] <Kilos> sigh
[11:40] <Kilos> ty my pro
[11:41] <Kilos> it lost some file somewhere and i couldnt get it working so i tried some installs and it couldny mount /
[11:41] <Kilos> so i zeroed it and got 14.04 unity here now
[11:43] <Kilos> lyk my nog water wat kom
[11:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: ya, we got here already
[11:50] <Kilos> cool
[11:50] <Kilos> kinda hot here atm
[11:54] <theblazehen> Yep. Was here too
[12:05] <inetpro> ai!
[12:05] <Kilos> did hilake ever say hello here?
[12:05] <Kilos> lol
[12:05] <Kilos> ja man as jy kan sukkel sal jy
[12:06] <inetpro> there should not even be a need to re-install at all
[12:08] <Kilos> yeah but it was bad stuff. the dpkg thing couldnt work
[12:08] <Kilos> was a file that didnt exist where it wanted staus info or something
[12:08] <inetpro> what does dpkg have to do with moving data?
[12:09] <Kilos> i wasnt moving data i was installing pidgin and evo etc
[12:10] <Kilos> then dpkg gave the error
[12:11] <Kilos> and next thing the panel that show nm-applet disappeard
[12:11] <Kilos> disappeared
[12:11] <inetpro> ai!
[12:11] <Kilos> so that good reason for a wipe and clean install
[12:12] <Kilos> but if unity gives probs here ill put kde again
[12:12] <inetpro> looks like you need a solid backup plan
[12:13] <Kilos> yeah i was busy making a backup of /home when all the messup started because i put the folder to backup to on desktop rather than another drive
[12:14] <Kilos> that was with my working kde
[12:14] <inetpro> but where's the previous backup in the first place?
[12:14] <Kilos> the one i said the other day was bulletproof
[12:15] <Kilos> i havent made a backup of kde yet
[12:15] <inetpro> I think you need to start backing up to DVD or CD
[12:15] <Kilos> on unity i use deja-dup
[12:15] <Kilos> thats an idea ty
[12:15] <Kilos> my archives i put on sticks
[12:16] <Kilos> so luckily i have had to do all the upgrade costs
[12:16] <Kilos> havent
[12:16] <Kilos> oh and i have a backup for evo as well on a stick
[12:17] <inetpro> I suggest you backup to read only medium so you can't mess up a goof backup afterwards
[12:17] <inetpro> good*
[12:17] <Kilos> lol ya thats a good plan
[12:49] <hilake> hello
[12:51] <Kilos> hilake, welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:15] <theblazehen> Hi hilake 
[13:35] <inetpro> hello hilake
[13:35] <inetpro> Kilos: are you winning?
[13:58] <hilake> thanks guys
[14:08] <inetpro> hilake: where are you from?
[14:09] <inetpro> SDCDev: wb
[14:10] <SDCDev> ty inetpro :)
[14:10] <SDCDev> i going to sleep now though :) in the mountains (drakensburg), just came online to check my mail, and check if all the projects are doing okay :) :)
[14:11] <inetpro> oh and Cantide, wb as well
[14:11] <inetpro> SDCDev: cool, enjoy it!
[14:25] <Cantide> hi hi ~
[14:53] <hilake> USA
[14:55] <inetpro> hilake: interesting
[14:55]  * inetpro don't know about many members here from the USA
[14:58] <inetpro> hilake: you been here before?
[14:58] <inetpro> sorry for all the questions
[14:58] <Kilos> sorry inetpro had a sleep , but yes everything going on the ssd ty
[14:59] <inetpro> Kilos: nice, well done!
[14:59] <inetpro> have you recovered your losses yet?
[14:59] <Kilos> only now id like to fix /home on the hdd
[14:59] <Kilos> all my links and commands are there
[15:00] <inetpro> did you move in stead of copy?
[15:00] <Kilos> because its major work to read logs
[15:01] <Kilos> no i had to delete the copied /home from ~/Desktop/ home
[15:01] <Kilos> and battled and somewhere i must have let something delete /home as well
[15:01] <inetpro> eish!
[15:01] <Kilos> it looks like a fresh install
[15:02] <Kilos> worse even
[15:02] <inetpro> Kilos: you should really start backing up your setup info in the clouds as well man
[15:02] <Kilos> home is totally empty
[15:03] <inetpro> one option is to simply store stuff in yout Dropbox folder
[15:03] <inetpro> your*
[15:04] <Kilos> oh ya
[15:05] <Kilos> its all the data that stops me saving online
[15:05] <inetpro> even if you delete stuff in Dropbox accidentally you can revert to previous versions 
[15:05] <inetpro> no, I'm just talking about the most crucial stuff
[15:06] <inetpro> all the steps you take to get an installation up to scratch again
[15:06] <Kilos> ya ill do that in future, but gotta find it all first again, sigh
[15:07] <Kilos> what a blow
[15:08] <inetpro> you sure it's all gone from the HDD, don't you have your /home on SDD now?
[15:08] <Kilos> i have a new /home on the ssd
[15:08] <inetpro> SSD*
[15:09] <Kilos> the 1TB kde has /home still but it empty
[15:09] <inetpro> have you mounted your HDD?
[15:10] <magespawn> good afternoon
[15:10] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[15:10] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[15:10] <inetpro> Kilos: you can only have one /home at any point
[15:10] <Kilos> lol
[15:11] <Kilos> well ok, the full /home is gone
[15:11] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[15:11] <inetpro> no man... you're not answering my question
[15:11] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[15:11] <Kilos> the 1TB is unplugged atm
[15:11] <inetpro> Kilos: ah, why?
[15:12] <Kilos> i never do an install with more than one drive plugged in
[15:12] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:13] <inetpro> ai! So you deleted /home before you even started with the SSD?
[15:14] <Kilos> y6es i was trying to backup home same way i rsync archives
[15:14] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:14] <Kilos> didnt think that the home folder on desktop would loop the rysyns
[15:15] <Kilos> rsync
[15:16] <inetpro> the "looping" was not your problem
[15:17] <magespawn> what happened?
[15:17] <Kilos> no that just made home over 80g
[15:17] <Kilos> deleting was the prob
[15:18] <Kilos> i rsynced /home to ~/Desktop/home/ magespawn 
[15:18] <magespawn> okay? and that caused what to happen?
[15:19] <Kilos> and only after hours of it running realised that as it put more on the desktop so /home saw more to backup
[15:20] <Kilos> then i tried to delete the ~/Desktop/home/ and after googling and using other commands and stuff it wouldnt delete
[15:20] <Kilos> said its a directory
[15:21] <Kilos> anyway i got it to delete eventually but in all the trying deleted /home/ as well
[15:22] <magespawn> ahh i see
[15:22] <hilake> I have not been to south africa
[15:22] <Kilos> so even them saved munin commands are gone
[15:23] <magespawn> i have those
[15:24] <Kilos> yay but not now im still trying to wake up
[15:24] <Kilos> hilake, you welcome to chat here
[15:24] <inetpro> Kilos: surely your HDD/var/cache/munin/www is still in tact
[15:24] <hilake> thank you kilos
[15:24] <hilake> I would love to travel
[15:24] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself and if you need linux help just state your prob and someone will help you
[15:25] <Kilos> might be inetpro 
[15:25] <inetpro> not that is crucial though
[15:25] <Kilos> and /home is on its own partition 
[15:25] <hilake> I recently graduated from college, and am looking for a job in the states in the IT buisness. I have some experience with linux (kali, ubuntu, centos, mint, etc) and windows/ mac osx
[15:26] <Kilos> well hilake then ill be calling on you for help sometime
[15:27] <hilake> thanks, I already help out on ##computer-help-chat, and will assist with anything I can
[15:27] <magespawn> hi hilake
[15:27] <hilake> hi magespawn
[15:27] <magespawn> where are you from hilake?
[15:27] <hilake> USA
[15:28] <Kilos> cool
[15:28] <magespawn> from what i see there is a fair amount jobs going there
[15:30] <hilake> yes, its still quite comptetive
[15:30] <hilake> there are a lot of people
[15:31] <inetpro> Kilos: start installing munin again at least so it can start remembering your performance stats
[15:32] <Kilos> ok good call inetpro 
[15:32] <magespawn> as always hilake
[15:33] <inetpro> your old stats were saved to Dropbox and can be easily compared
[15:33] <inetpro> no need to stress about restoring it
[15:33] <hilake> I imagine there is a similar population density in urban areas of south africa
[15:34] <Kilos> oh ya inetpro nice to have you around
[15:34] <magespawn> certain places, i am not sure how the population density compares across the whold country 
[15:36] <inetpro> Kilos: at least you don't give up easily
[15:37] <inetpro> you can not learn a better way of doing things, if you never make mistakes?
[15:38] <Kilos> hahaha inetpro you should know by now, im too stupid to know when im beat
[15:38] <inetpro> you're always welcome to ask
[15:38] <Kilos> give up isnt in my vocab
[15:40] <Kilos> what i should try is to delete everything on the 1tb and then run testdisk
[15:40] <inetpro> why?
[15:40] <Kilos> well you can tell it to write what it finds
[15:41] <Kilos> is there another way?
[15:41] <inetpro> surely if it's not deleted it should just ignore it?
[15:41] <Kilos> oh you mean run it without deleting
[15:42] <inetpro> sorry, I have never really used testdisk before so I won't know for sure
[15:42] <Kilos> that might work too
[15:42] <Kilos> ask theblazehen its a great tool
[15:43] <Kilos> rewrites missing partitions and data it finds there
[15:43] <inetpro> well I haven't been brave enough to delete crucial data that needed restoring, and I hope I don't go there any time soon as well
[15:44] <Kilos> then leave my email addy alone
[15:44] <inetpro> maybe I should play with it in a small VM
[15:44] <magespawn> it is a nice tool fro recovering from windows partitions that have been corrupted 
[15:44] <magespawn> i have never needed to use it on a linux drive yet
[15:45] <Kilos> man i blogged about it a lifetime ago
[15:46] <magespawn> i have used testdisk and photorec as well
[15:46] <Kilos> the 40 external i have here comes from a lappy ian bought second hand
[15:47] <Kilos> and he formatted and installed his windows at the time
[15:47] <Kilos> i formatted it to ext 4 and used it as storage
[15:47] <Kilos> then it crashed and i did recovery
[15:48] <Kilos> found stuff from the first user on it
[15:48] <Kilos> that was testdisk photorec foremost and scalpel
[15:48] <magespawn> yup it does that well
[15:49] <magespawn> really strange if you are doing for somebody and you give them files that are not theirs or ones that they have forgotten about
[15:50] <Kilos> rofl ya
[15:50] <Kilos> i tuned ian about what i found
[15:50] <Kilos> he had no idea it was on the drive
[15:51] <Kilos> i think the only way to totally destroy data is to put the drive on an anvil and pummel it with a 14lb hammer
[15:52] <magespawn> google does something similar
[15:53] <Kilos> or put it in a furnace and melt it all down to slag
[15:53] <inetpro> Kilos: have you tried extundelete?
[15:53] <Kilos> no inetpro 
[15:54] <inetpro> looks simple enough: $ extundelete /dev/sda4 --restore-all
[15:54] <Kilos> lemme plug in the 1tb quick
[15:54] <Kilos> wbb
[15:54] <inetpro> don't so it like that though
[15:54] <inetpro> do*
[15:54] <Kilos> wait man lemme connecxt it
[15:55] <inetpro> ai! Always to quick and keen to try new things
[15:56] <inetpro> always avoid writing anything on the file system that was holding the data - otherwise deleted files may be overwritten by new ones
[15:56] <Kilos> this ssd is fast
[15:57] <magespawn> inetpro: i think Kilos boots off it
[15:57] <Kilos> i said wait man
[15:57] <magespawn> see already back
[15:57] <inetpro> you attached the HDD now?
[15:57] <Kilos> ok inetpro the ball is in your court
[15:58] <Kilos> yes
[15:58] <inetpro> no man
[15:58] <Kilos> no man what?
[15:58]  * inetpro is not the recovery expert
[15:59] <Kilos> no you gave the extundelete /dev/sda4 --restore-all
[15:59] <Kilos> tell me what to do
[15:59] <inetpro> no
[15:59] <magespawn> google or man pages first 
[15:59] <Kilos> it will be sdb to fix
[15:59] <magespawn> or risk data
[16:00] <Kilos> its google that helped me kill it
[16:00] <inetpro> I just said it looks easy enough, but I would never try that blindly without covering me ass
[16:00] <Kilos> well that drive has lost everything in /home/
[16:00] <inetpro> don't jump to conclusions so quickly
[16:01] <Kilos> you read the man pages
[16:02] <Kilos> they werent written for mechanics
[16:02] <inetpro> first thing you do is to mount the partition(s) read-only
[16:02] <Kilos> only good thing i ever found in them was -c for wget
[16:03] <Kilos> the 1tb has 80g /
[16:03] <Kilos> 86g
[16:03] <Kilos> 805g /home
[16:03] <Kilos> and 100g storage
[16:04] <inetpro> Kilos: is it mounted
[16:04] <inetpro> ?
[16:04] <Kilos> and they show here in launcher panel thing
[16:04] <Kilos> so must be
[16:04] <inetpro> no, nut must be, that is another assumption
[16:04] <Kilos> sigh
[16:04] <inetpro> go to cli
[16:04] <Kilos> ok so we want home
[16:05] <inetpro> $ mount
[16:05] <Kilos> lemme run gparted to see correect paths
[16:06] <bushtech> stop jumping the gun kilos
[16:06] <Kilos> lolok
[16:07] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s205axyPeA
[16:08] <Kilos> where is sdb?
[16:09] <inetpro> nou praat ons
[16:09] <inetpro> it's not mounted yet
[16:09] <Kilos> ok
[16:09] <inetpro> $ sudo fdisk -l
[16:12] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s206TJEBaW
[16:12] <bushtech> --restore-directory path/of/directory
[16:12] <bushtech>               Restores all files possible to link to  specified  directory  to
[16:12] <bushtech>               their names before deletion, when possible.
[16:12] <bushtech> from extundelete man
[16:13] <inetpro> Kilos: ok, which one would have been /home ?
[16:13] <Kilos> man dammit give the proper command
[16:13] <Kilos> the 805
[16:14] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:14] <Kilos> you tell me
[16:15] <inetpro> Kilos: it's either /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb3 or /dev/sdb5
[16:15] <Kilos> sdb3 methinks
[16:15] <Kilos> isnt that the biggest one
[16:15] <inetpro> ok, so let's try it
[16:15] <Kilos> ok
[16:16] <inetpro> $ sudo mkdir /mnt/home
[16:16] <Kilos> done
[16:17] <inetpro> $ sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb1 /mnt/home
[16:17] <Kilos> done
[16:18] <inetpro> now go check out what is in there
[16:18] <Kilos> magespawn, save all this info hey
[16:18] <Kilos> with ls?
[16:18] <inetpro> sommer with dolphin if you like
[16:18] <inetpro> or nautilus
[16:18] <Kilos> ya nautilus
[16:19] <Kilos> it doesnt show on launcher anymore man
[16:19] <Kilos> ls
[16:19] <Kilos> Desktop    Downloads         Music     Public     Videos
[16:19] <Kilos> Documents  examples.desktop  Pictures  Templates
[16:20] <inetpro> Kilos: is that what you expected on /home?
[16:20] <Kilos> ya i had all the stuff saved on desktop
[16:20] <inetpro> surely it is not empty then
[16:21] <Kilos> but to recover that will recover the ~/Desktop/home as well
[16:21] <bushtech> see whats in desktop
[16:21] <inetpro> no man
[16:21] <Kilos> all those things show as empty
[16:21] <inetpro> you said you deleted /home
[16:21] <Kilos> just empty folders
[16:21] <Kilos> no didnt i say /home/
[16:22] <inetpro> that statement can not be true if this was your home partiton
[16:22] <Kilos> so the dir is there but empty
[16:22] <inetpro> so you deleted all files in sub-folders?
[16:23] <inetpro> are they all empty?
[16:23] <inetpro> what about . files?
[16:23] <Kilos> lemme try find it in nautilus so i can see
[16:24] <Kilos> 5 .files
[16:24] <inetpro> in the main folder?
[16:25] <Kilos> desktop shows trusty folder which i copied there again this morning from stick
[16:25] <Kilos> trusty is archives
[16:25] <inetpro> ai!
[16:26] <Kilos> oh wait
[16:26] <inetpro> 03/01 17:56:45 <inetpro> always avoid writing anything on the file system that was holding the data - otherwise deleted files may be overwritten by new ones
[16:26] <bushtech> will extundelete recover /Desktop?
[16:26] <Kilos>  .cache and .config and some others there too
[16:27] <inetpro> now the first thing you want to do is to make a copy of the broken partition
[16:28] <Kilos> its too big man
[16:28] <inetpro> no
[16:29] <inetpro> df -k /mnt/home
[16:29] <Kilos> Filesystem     1K-blocks    Used Available Use% Mounted on
[16:30] <Kilos>  /dev/sdb1       82481776 7666100  70602736  10% /mnt/home
[16:31] <inetpro> eish! 
[16:31] <inetpro> are you sure your home was on /dev/sdb1 ?
[16:32] <inetpro> umount /mnt/home
[16:32] <Kilos> no man that was supposed to be /root
[16:32] <inetpro> $ sudo umount /mnt/home
[16:33] <Kilos> done
[16:33] <inetpro> $ sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb3 /mnt/home
[16:34] <inetpro> now go check out what is in there
[16:34] <Kilos> miles@ssd:~$ sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb3 /mnt/home
[16:34] <Kilos> mount: /dev/sdb3 already mounted or /mnt/home busy
[16:34] <Kilos> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb3 is mounted on /media/miles/9854f2a5-1f96-402b-ad32-3729909d1c95
[16:34] <inetpro> $ sudo umount /mnt/home
[16:34] <inetpro> close nautilus
[16:34] <inetpro> *first
[16:35] <Kilos> umount: /mnt/home: not mounted
[16:35] <inetpro> $ sudo umount /dev/sdb3
[16:35] <inetpro> you clicked on that
[16:36] <Kilos> done
[16:36] <inetpro> $ sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb3 /mnt/home
[16:36] <Kilos> i clicked on what?
[16:36] <inetpro> on that icon for that partition
[16:37] <Kilos> i closed nautilus
[16:37] <inetpro> ai! 
[16:37] <Kilos> done
[16:37] <inetpro> you must make sure you relay the correct information to us!!!!
[16:38] <inetpro> go check /mnt/home on nautilus now
[16:38] <Kilos> dont forget i cant copy/paste from hexchat have to highlight and use ctrl+c to copy
[16:38] <Kilos> you said close nautilus man
 close nautilus
[16:39] <inetpro> yes, that was to make sure it doesn't bug ou when trying to unmount
[16:39] <inetpro> you*
[16:39] <Kilos> ah
[16:39] <Kilos> then dont ai! me
[16:40] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem
[16:40]  * inetpro is assuming that you went browsing /media/miles/9854f2a5-1f96-402b-ad32-3729909d1c95 on nautilus and not /mnt/home
[16:40] <Kilos> i did on both
[16:41] <inetpro> ok, what do you see in /mnt/home ?
[16:41] <Kilos> tell me first how to go there
[16:41] <inetpro> nautilus man
[16:41] <Kilos> ok wait
[16:43] <inetpro> $ df -k /mnt/home
[16:43] <Kilos> i cant find it now
[16:43] <inetpro> is it mounted?
[16:44] <Kilos> ?
[16:44] <Kilos> must be we ran that command
[16:45] <Kilos>   /dev/sdb3      773665552 4199828 730142744   1% /mnt/home
[16:45] <inetpro> can you not type a folder to go to in nautilus?
[16:46] <inetpro> ls -la /mnt/home
[16:46] <inetpro> wb bduk
[16:46] <Kilos> total 28
[16:46] <Kilos> drwxr-xr-x  3 root  root   4096 Jan  2 20:40 .
[16:46] <Kilos> drwxr-xr-x  3 root  root   4096 Jan  3 18:16 ..
[16:46] <Kilos> drwxr-xr-x 17 miles miles 20480 Jan  3 01:07 miles
[16:47] <inetpro> ahh, now that looks more like it
[16:47] <inetpro> and what is inside miles?
[16:47] <Kilos> ai!
[16:48] <Kilos> how do i see that now man
[16:48] <inetpro> $ sudo find /home/ -ls
[16:48] <inetpro> oops
[16:48] <inetpro> $ sudo find /mnt/home/ -ls
[16:49] <Kilos> baie goed
[16:50] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2dz8miwli
[16:50] <Kilos> terminal even missed the first lot
[16:50] <Kilos> or doesnt show so many
[16:51] <magespawn> here is the sourceforge page http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/
[16:51] <magespawn> here is the sourceforge page http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/
[16:51] <Kilos> is that for me magespawn ?
[16:52] <Kilos> is that for me magespawn ?
[16:52] <magespawn> if you want yes has some examples
[16:53] <Kilos> ill trust the pros guidance for now but ty
[16:53] <inetpro> Kilos: $ sudo aptitude install pastebinit
[16:54] <Kilos> if i do stuff without permission im in it
[16:54] <Kilos> done
[16:56] <inetpro> $ sudo find /mnt/home/ -ls | pastebinit -a kilos
[16:57] <bduk> Evening
[16:57] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9666042/
[16:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:59] <inetpro> Kilos: remember, you /mnt/home is read only at the moment
[17:00] <inetpro> your*
[17:00] <inetpro> but undelete might have been messed up now already by your copying of the trusty stuff 
[17:00] <Kilos> you remember man my head is exploding already
[17:00] <Kilos> oh my
[17:01] <Kilos> there was a trusty folder there before as well
[17:01] <inetpro> ok
[17:01] <Kilos> they should be the same
[17:01] <inetpro> let's try making the backup first>
[17:01] <inetpro> ?
[17:01] <inetpro> ai... my fingers...
[17:02] <Kilos> i sync to trusty on desktop then drag drop to sticks
[17:02] <inetpro> $ umount /mnt/home
[17:02] <Kilos> done with sudo
[17:03] <Kilos> you getting arthritus
[17:03] <Kilos> welcome to the world of old peeps
[17:04] <inetpro> you have some free space somewhere?
[17:04] <inetpro> what's that 800GB?
[17:04] <inetpro> eish!
[17:04] <Kilos> thats /home
[17:05]  * inetpro has dinner time
[17:05] <Kilos> cool go eat sir
[17:05] <Kilos> ty so far
[17:05] <inetpro> go read http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/ if you have time
[17:05] <Kilos> im going nowhere slowly
[17:05] <inetpro> so long
[17:05] <Kilos> ok
[17:23] <Kilos> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend libreadline6:amd64 for gawk:amd64, probably a dependency cycle.
[17:23] <Kilos> thats what synaptic tells me
[17:23] <Kilos> grrr
[17:25] <Kilos> ah a reinstall of libreadline5 and 6 sorted that
[17:33] <inetpro> Kilos: that error happened when you did what?
[17:34] <Kilos> i was installing what that man said ubuntu needs
[17:34] <inetpro> ai!
[17:34] <inetpro> why?
[17:35] <Kilos> ive got the package now so just need to configure it
[17:35] <inetpro> you jump to conclusions again?
[17:35] <Kilos> you said read
[17:35] <inetpro> yes, I didn't say install anything
[17:35] <Kilos> he said ubuntu needs stuff like g++ and gnu
[17:35] <inetpro> you must read between the lines man
[17:35] <Kilos> rofl
[17:36] <Kilos> yours or his
[17:36] <inetpro> extundelete is in the repositories
[17:36] <Kilos> ai!
[17:37] <inetpro> $ extundelete -v
[17:38] <Kilos> extundelete version 0.2.0
[17:38] <Kilos> libext2fs version 1.42.9
[17:38] <Kilos> Processor is little endian.
[17:39] <Kilos> whats endian
[17:40] <inetpro> did you compile?
[17:40] <Kilos> i did nothing
[17:40] <Kilos> aptitude installed it
[17:40] <inetpro> hmm... you only followed half the instructions?
[17:41] <inetpro> ai!
[17:41] <Kilos> i was still trying to find the path to compile the downloaded one
[17:41] <inetpro> if you downloaded, compiled and installed it should have been v0.2.4
[17:41] <Kilos> must i compile it now in downloads
[17:42] <inetpro> no
[17:42] <Kilos> well thats the version aptitude installed sir
[17:42] <inetpro> you have some free space for the backup?
[17:42] <Kilos> i got this 256 ssd
[17:43] <inetpro> no other big drive around?
[17:43] <Kilos> and lots of space on the 1TB
[17:43] <Kilos> how big?
[17:43] <Kilos> i can add a usb externally
[17:44] <inetpro> that home partition was how big?
[17:44] <inetpro> looks like 800GB
[17:45] <Kilos> yes
[17:45] <Kilos> i have nothing with that kinda space
[17:46] <Kilos> we can do it without a backup cant we?
[17:46] <Kilos> wb bushtech 
[17:46]  * inetpro don't like doing stuff without a backup
[17:46] <Kilos> ya but we have no space
[17:47] <Kilos> so no choice
[17:47] <inetpro> $ df -h /mnt/home/
[17:47] <Kilos>  /dev/sda1       231G   12G  208G   6% /
[17:47] <inetpro> nee man!
[17:48] <inetpro> not root
[17:48] <Kilos> i used your command
[17:48] <inetpro> no you did not
[17:49] <inetpro> unless
[17:49] <inetpro> unless you unmounted this thing again
[17:49] <Kilos> miles@ssd:~$ df -h /mnt/home/
[17:49] <Kilos> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 $ umount /mnt/home
[17:50] <Kilos> i cant get times
[17:50] <inetpro> ahh... so that was my assumption... sorry oom
[17:50] <inetpro> thought i was still mounted
[17:51] <Kilos> ok give that mount command again please
[17:51] <inetpro> $ sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb3 /mnt/home
[17:51] <Kilos> ok
[17:52] <Kilos>  /dev/sdb3       738G  4,1G  697G   1% /mnt/home
[17:53] <inetpro> obviously it will tell you the size of root if not mounted
[17:53] <inetpro> yep, that is just about 800GB
[17:53] <inetpro> minus a few megs
[17:54] <inetpro> you really don't have another big drive?
[17:55] <Kilos> i have one that has kde on and what was recovered last time i zeroed this 1tb
[17:55] <inetpro> so aren't those files in there?
[17:56] <Kilos> sigh
[17:56] <Kilos> what files
[17:56] <inetpro> you just said you recovered files last time, can't be too long ago
[17:57] <inetpro> all the data that you're trying to restore now man
[17:57] <Kilos> oh maybe they are there but there is 74500 files that are all numbered
[17:57] <inetpro> ai!
[17:57] <Kilos> ya
[17:58] <Kilos> forget a backup lets just extundelete
[17:59] <inetpro> ok, you don't blame me if it fails 
[17:59] <inetpro> now unmount that folder again
[17:59] <inetpro> $ umount /mnt/home
[17:59] <Kilos> i never blame you man
[18:00] <Kilos> done
[18:01] <inetpro> now this is interesting that they don't use sudo in front
[18:01] <Kilos> where is that /mnt/home
[18:01] <inetpro> let's try it:
[18:01] <inetpro> $ extundelete /dev/sdb3 --restore-all
[18:01] <Kilos> maybe they like you and expect the guy to know when he gets a message that you arent root
[18:02] <inetpro> I have no idea what the output should be now
[18:02] <Kilos> extundelete: failed to read-only open device "/dev/sdb3": Error code 13
[18:02] <Kilos> mustnt it be mounted?
[18:03] <inetpro> is it not still mounted?
[18:03] <inetpro> $ mount
[18:03] <Kilos> no it works with sudo
[18:03] <inetpro> ok
[18:03] <Kilos> busy doing stuff
[18:04] <Kilos> done
[18:04] <inetpro> that was quick?
[18:05] <Kilos> very
[18:05] <inetpro> $ sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb3 /mnt/home
[18:05] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s201qc1bHk
[18:06] <inetpro> interesting
[18:06] <Kilos> lotsa unable to
[18:06] <inetpro> go check man
[18:07] <Kilos> ai!
[18:07] <Kilos> i have to unmount it for nautilus to see it
[18:07] <inetpro> mount
[18:08] <inetpro> you have to mount it for nautilus to see it
[18:08] <Kilos>  /dev/sdb3 on /mnt/home type ext4 (ro)
[18:09] <inetpro> nautilus /mnt/home
[18:09] <Kilos> nope only trusty is there
[18:10] <inetpro> check hidden files
[18:11] <inetpro> no RECOVERED_FILES folder?
[18:11] <inetpro> By default the restored files are created under current directory 'RECOVERED_FILES'
[18:12] <inetpro> so looks like they will be on your SSD
[18:12] <Kilos> no recovered files folder
[18:12] <inetpro> what folder were you in when running that undelete?
[18:12] <smile> hi :D
[18:12] <inetpro> wb smile
[18:13] <Kilos> i was here by you with terminal here too
[18:13] <Kilos> hi smile 
[18:13] <inetpro> $ pwd
[18:13] <magespawn> hi smile
[18:13] <Kilos>  /home/miles
[18:14] <inetpro> $ ls -la
[18:14] <inetpro> in fact let's do:
[18:14] <inetpro> $ ls -la | pastebinit -a kilos
[18:15] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9666449/
[18:15] <inetpro> there you go
[18:15] <smile> thanks, inetpro :)
[18:16] <inetpro> RECOVERED_FILES is rght there
[18:16] <smile> it is :o
[18:16] <smile> I can see it too :o
[18:17] <Kilos> sigh
[18:17] <Kilos> so can i up there
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: nou wat nou?
[18:18] <Kilos> is it on my ssd?
[18:18] <inetpro> yes
[18:18] <inetpro> in your new home folder on SSD
[18:19] <inetpro> if you read the man page of extundelete you would understand 
[18:19] <Kilos> ahaaaaaa
[18:20] <inetpro> obviously not ideal if it really tried restoring 800GB
[18:20] <Kilos> now i gotta chown it
[18:20] <inetpro> but I don't think you ever had that many files
[18:20] <Kilos> no there were min on desktop i think
[18:21] <inetpro> $ sudo chown -R miles:miles ~/ RECOVERED_FILES
[18:21] <inetpro> $ sudo chown -R miles:miles ~/RECOVERED_FILES
[18:21] <Kilos> ty
[18:23] <inetpro> looks like many files ended up in 'lost+found' 
[18:24] <Kilos> its in the lost and found in that folder
[18:24] <Kilos> haha
[18:25] <inetpro> exactly
[18:25] <Kilos> oh my
[18:25] <Kilos> lots of stuff there
[18:26] <inetpro> /Desktop/Desktop/Desktop/... stuff
[18:26] <Kilos> so thats saved to here now
[18:26] <inetpro> yep
[18:26] <inetpro> $ du -hs ~/RECOVERED_FILES
[18:28] <Kilos> 43M	/home/miles/RECOVERED_FILES
[18:28] <Kilos> how do we write that back to home on that drive now
[18:28] <inetpro> hmm... only 43MB
[18:29] <inetpro> $ du -ks ~/RECOVERED_FILES/* | sort -n
[18:29] <Kilos> then that kde should be good again
[18:29] <Kilos> what did that do?
[18:30] <Kilos> oh and how can you see the size??
[18:30] <Kilos> oh in pastebin?
[18:30] <inetpro> man du
[18:30] <Kilos> ai!
[18:31] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:31] <inetpro> or ncdu
[18:33] <Kilos> aha
[18:34] <inetpro> I'm sure you'll recognize things yourself now
[18:34] <Kilos> is that my deleted home stuff?
[18:35] <inetpro> supposedly
[18:35] <inetpro> the stuff that extundelete found at least
[18:35] <Kilos> oh it doesnt undelete them on the drive itself?
[18:35] <inetpro> no
[18:35] <Kilos> aha
[18:36] <Kilos> ty very much for that help inetpro 
[18:36] <Kilos> did you write down everything
[18:36] <inetpro> please go through them, see and make sure whether it's all there
[18:37] <inetpro> and if not all there, then go through your normal restore procedure
[18:37] <Kilos> yip will do ty so much
[18:38] <inetpro> but next time, rule no 1 = avoid writing anything on the file system that was holding the data that you deleted by accident - otherwise deleted files may be overwritten by new ones
[18:38] <Kilos> sorry sir
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:39]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[18:39] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[18:39] <Kilos> inetpro, coffee
[18:39] <theblazehen> Kilos: lose data?
[18:39] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[18:39] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: it's not rocket science
[18:40] <Kilos> ya the home folder i made on the desktop is empty but i spent hours trying to delete it anyway
[18:40] <Kilos> havent looked through everything
[18:41] <Kilos> inetpro, to me it is
[18:41] <Kilos> even the pastebin from cli is magic
[18:41] <inetpro> ai!
[18:41] <inetpro> makes life easy, the way it is supposed to be
[18:42] <Kilos> yeah easier than using a browser
[18:42] <Kilos> but same end result
[18:42] <inetpro> say thanks to tumbleweed who introduced pastebinit to me
[18:43] <Kilos> aha
[18:43] <Kilos> gracias tumbleweed 
[18:43] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[18:43] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[18:43] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[18:46] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[18:46] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[18:46] <Kilos> now the ssd seems to be working good. but i wanted kde on it
[18:46] <Kilos> unity is hard work
[18:46] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[18:47] <magespawn> can you just install kde?
[18:47] <magespawn> ty
[18:49] <Kilos> i dunno
[18:49] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock 
[18:49] <Joe_knock> Hi there oom
[18:49] <Kilos> he says all those ssd's are lappy drives
[18:49] <Joe_knock> 2.5inch?
[18:49] <Kilos> are lappy sata and desktop sata the same thing
[18:50] <Kilos> ya its small man
[18:50] <magespawn> same connectors but the laptop drives are smaller
[18:50] <Kilos> like no brackets to mount it even
[18:50] <Kilos> can stick it anywhere with double sided tape
[18:51] <Kilos> when i go off ill compare size with my ide lappy drive
[18:51] <Kilos> its about the same size i think
[18:52] <Kilos> i can actually do it now
[18:52] <Kilos> exactly same size
[18:53] <Joe_knock> I can swap out my CD drive then and put an SSD there
[18:53] <magespawn> that might need some of the double sided tape
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: after all that it actually boils down to a very few simple commands
[18:54] <inetpro> see: http://slexy.org/view/s250UpOdSw
[18:54] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[18:55] <inetpro> just add sudo in front of the last one
[18:55] <inetpro> in fact the last two
[18:55] <Kilos> ya
[18:55] <Kilos> see i told you he is like you
[18:56] <Kilos> you forget there are peeps that say whats sudo
[18:56] <Kilos> and its fast Joe_knock 
[18:57] <inetpro> oh and add the chown
[18:57] <inetpro> $ sudo chown -R miles:miles ~/RECOVERED_FILES
[18:57] <Kilos> can shutdown manually connect another drive and be back here in 1 minute
[18:57] <Kilos> i know chown by heart inetpro 
[18:57] <Kilos> you cant use ~/ in kde for some reason
[18:58] <Kilos> must always go the /home/miles/ route
[18:58] <Kilos> or  /home/downloads
[18:59] <inetpro> no
[18:59] <Kilos> no?
[18:59] <Kilos> am i wrong again
[19:01]  * inetpro uses ~/ all the time
[19:01] <Kilos> oh my
[19:01] <inetpro> even with dolphin
[19:01] <Kilos> ill try it again
[19:02] <Joe_knock> KDE is just the surface-level. They're all debian systems at the core
[19:02] <inetpro> exactly
[19:03] <Kilos> i got errors when trying it everytime so gave up and type it out now
[19:03] <Joe_knock> What are you typing?
[19:03] <Kilos> i dunno now
[19:03] <Kilos> paths to things
[19:04] <Kilos> but now we worked hard today so im trying to enjoy unity
[19:04] <Kilos> hehe
[19:05] <Kilos> i need another ssd
[19:05] <smile> Kilos: I want one too :o
[19:05] <Kilos> im sure it will fly with win7 as well
[19:05] <magespawn> lol
[19:05] <smile> I installed Windows XP today :D
[19:05] <Kilos> ians lappy with win7 is slow
[19:05] <magespawn> i had never heard of pastbinit before, that is a very useful program
[19:05] <smile> In ten minutes it was up & running, lol ;)
[19:06] <Joe_knock> pastee.org is safer
[19:06] <Kilos> but he says the os is corrupt and when he has time will clean install
[19:06] <Kilos> 10 mins smile ?
[19:06] <Kilos> thats fast
[19:06] <smile> Kilos: yeah, virtualbox :) my hard drive, no SSD involved
[19:07] <magespawn> i am talking about the cli program, not the site
[19:07] <Kilos> aha
[19:07] <smile> Core i7 at 3 GHz, Kilos ;)
[19:07] <Kilos> ya ians too and 4g ram
[19:07] <Kilos> must be sick os
[19:07] <smile> 8 GB, Kilos ;)
[19:08] <Kilos> with ssd it will fly
[19:08] <Kilos> as graeme says the bios post takes longer than the os to boot
[19:09] <smile> Kilos: yeah, wanna try that in a month! :D
[19:10] <smile> those ten minutes included entering the product key and installing virtualbox guest additions ;)
[19:10] <smile> and changing the keyboard layout :)
[19:10] <Joe_knock> smile: desktop??
[19:10] <smile> Joe_knock: explorer.exe ;)
[19:10] <Joe_knock> ehh?
[19:10] <smile> Lol :P Windows XP ;)
[19:12] <Joe_knock> smile: Your actual hardware? a lappy?
[19:12] <Joe_knock> or a desktop?
[19:12] <Kilos> hehe
[19:12] <smile> VirtualBox on my laptop :)
[19:13] <Joe_knock> oh. powerful lappy then. i7s aint cheap
[19:13] <Kilos> in virtualbox you choose what win you want
[19:14] <Kilos> you dont still install xp from cd do you?
[19:14] <Kilos> oh im thinking wine maybe
[19:15] <smile> Joe_knock: no, it wasn't cheap ;)
[19:15] <Joe_knock> oom you played the new supertuxkart? it's awesome
[19:15] <smile> Kilos: ISO :D
[19:16] <Joe_knock> +10k? smile 
[19:16] <smile> 1000 euros ;)
[19:16] <Joe_knock> that's like 14k for us
[19:16] <smile> thats about 10000 rand :p
[19:16] <smile> yeah ;)
[19:16] <smile> roughly. ;)
[19:16] <smile> actually not yet. I tried FlightGear, but it crashed :)
[19:16] <smile> oh you mean Kilos ;)
[19:17] <Joe_knock> flightgear? Is that like flight simulator?
[19:19] <Kilos> no Joe_knock 
[19:19] <smile> yeah :) really cool and heavyweight :p
[19:19] <smile> but it does not install on my box for now
[19:19] <smile> so I will leave it alone ;)
[19:19] <Kilos> ian got 2 lappies on bidorbuy for 3.5k each
[19:19] <Kilos> i7 slightly scratched thats as
[19:20] <Kilos> 10k is too much
[19:21] <Joe_knock> 10k is relatively cheap for an i7
[19:21] <Joe_knock> the best I could find was 9k
[19:21] <Kilos> i saw a preview of some ultimate gaming pc the other day
[19:21] <Kilos> 60k
[19:21] <Kilos> they are nuts
[19:29] <magespawn> more monet than cents
[19:29] <magespawn> money too
[19:29] <Kilos> yeah
[19:29] <Kilos> and sense
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: have you installed munin yet?
[19:29] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:30] <Kilos> forgot about that
[19:30] <Kilos> bring the commands magespawn 
[19:30] <Kilos> i dont even have dropbox installed here yet
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: are you on kde yet?
[19:31] <Joe_knock> dropbox is such a terrible app to use on nix
[19:32] <inetpro> Joe_knock: what do you use which is also used by the masses out there?
[19:32] <Kilos> no still unity. dont wanna mess up
[19:33] <Kilos> for now ill keep unity here and save for another ssd for kde
[19:33] <Joe_knock> inetpro: I dont trust cloud file sharing. but if I had a need, id spin up my own $5 server and run seafile on it
[19:34] <Kilos> i let unity use the whole thing
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:34] <Kilos> ya groot ai!
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: you really don't need another SSD just for kde
[19:34] <inetpro> you have enough space 
[19:35] <Kilos> ok you wanna give instructions
[19:35] <Kilos> gparted resize
[19:35] <inetpro> remember, you keep you data on that HDD
[19:35] <Kilos> then run kde on other piece
[19:36] <inetpro> I'm sure you know how to do the resize thing by now
[19:36] <Kilos> that other drive still has kde on it
[19:36] <inetpro> how big was that drive?
[19:36] <Kilos> 1TB
[19:36] <Kilos> my new one
[19:37] <inetpro> no man
[19:37] <inetpro> sdb1 was like 81GB
[19:37] <Kilos> what now?
[19:37] <Kilos> thats root
[19:37] <Kilos> then 738 home
[19:37] <Kilos> then 100g storage
[19:37] <inetpro> 03/01 18:30:27 <Kilos>  /dev/sdb1       82481776 7666100  70602736  10% /mnt/hom
[19:38] <Joe_knock> why does home have 738?
[19:38] <Kilos> because i was gonna use it for recoveries
[19:38] <Kilos> all recovered stuff goes into home
[19:39] <Kilos> by default that is
[19:39] <Joe_knock> interesting
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: don't recover to /home
[19:40] <inetpro> of that /dev/sdb1 only 7.6GB was used
[19:40] <inetpro> technically that means you could be fine with just 10GB
[19:40] <Kilos> ya 
[19:40] <Kilos> thats too small for /
[19:41] <magespawn> indeed, maybe partition the drive again with a smallish home and use the rest for recovery
[19:41] <Kilos> ya but no we talking about a hard drive not ssd
[19:42] <Kilos> i want kde on a ssd
[19:42] <Kilos> magespawn, ping
[19:42] <magespawn> yes your bit one 1tb, but then again if you are going to use the ssd for the os, you could use the whole big drive for recovery
[19:42] <Kilos> where are those munin commands please
[19:42] <magespawn> just a second
[19:43] <Joe_knock> what may work is this: OS on the SSD, storage split on the HDD for storage + recoveries
[19:43] <Joe_knock> although I'd just keep all types of content on a single HDD without partitions
[19:43] <Kilos> the whole 1tb can be storage once i have kde on ssd as well
[19:45] <inetpro> I would mount the whole HDD as /data
[19:45] <Kilos> but i can resize this 256GB ssd to have kde as well
[19:45] <Kilos> just bang i crash it again
[19:46] <inetpro> obvious, remember we were talking about 64GB even
[19:46] <magespawn> /var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html
[19:47] <magespawn> /var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/diskstats_iops/index.html
[19:47] <inetpro> with the 256 drive you can have 4 x 64GB partitions
[19:47] <magespawn> /var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/diskstats_latency/indext.html
[19:48] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[19:48] <magespawn> your welcome
[19:49] <magespawn> sorry that just looks wrong
[19:49] <magespawn> you're welcome
[19:49] <Kilos> lol
[19:49] <Joe_knock> maybe the 1TB should be for cold storage and the SSD for files you use frequently or big files, like spreadsheets, etc.
[19:50] <Kilos> i dont even know what a spread sheet is
[19:51] <Kilos> its only when i do recoveries i need lots of space
[19:51] <Kilos> but testdisk and then things use home to put the outputs in
[19:52] <magespawn> i am pretty sure you can specify where the outputs must go
[19:53] <Kilos> i dunno
[19:53] <Kilos> maybe if you are clever ya
[19:53] <Joe_knock> oom jy moet n LPiC kry and become a system administrator. 
[19:53] <Kilos> lol ek het begin
[19:53] <magespawn> hold on a sec
[19:53] <Kilos> maar ek vergeet meer as wat ek leer
[19:54] <Joe_knock> oom you should look into something called muscle memory then. Train your body/mind so you dont need to actively remember
[19:54] <Kilos> Joe_knock, ons het klasse begin met dit
[19:55] <Joe_knock> waar doen jy die classes?
[19:55] <Kilos> ya my hands remember things better
[19:55] <Kilos> #linux-studies
[19:55] <Kilos> maar almal was te besig en ek was te dom
[20:01] <magespawn> before you run testdisk you have both the drive you want to recover from and the drive to recover to mounted, then it will give the option to chose the source and destination
[20:01] <Kilos> aha
[20:01] <magespawn> of course you must know where each is mounted, or you could mix them up
[20:01] <Kilos> ty ill catch you when i do it
[20:02] <Kilos> gparted tells me them things
[20:03] <smile> bye :)
[20:03] <smile> good night! :)
[20:03] <magespawn> good night smile 
[20:04] <smile> :D
[20:04] <smile> thanks
[20:04] <smile> :)
[20:06] <Kilos> im just gonna see if there is enough munin outputs to compare
[20:06] <Kilos> but im sure there is no comparison
[20:07] <magespawn> if you can actually see the difference then that is enough i think
[20:08] <Kilos> ya all you must look for is the cpu waiting time to get stuff from drive
[20:08] <Kilos> hey you left out the http stuff on those links
[20:08] <Kilos> i think
[20:10] <Kilos> that recovery thing didnt get my munin links
[20:10] <magespawn> most browsers add that automagically
[20:11] <magespawn> but that is how they were posted, i think
[20:11] <Kilos> no man that stuff in the beginning is important
[20:11] <Kilos> lets find that log again
[20:11] <Kilos> inetpro, link please to 31st
[20:12] <Kilos> my browser uses google to get munin stuff with this link
[20:12] <Kilos> doesnt go to the local think
[20:12] <Kilos> maybe i gotta start munin first or something
[20:13] <Kilos> ai!
[20:13] <inetpro> Kilos: $ wget -q -O - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/12/31/%23ubuntu-za.txt | grep www.dropbox.com
[20:14] <Kilos> i cant even do that
[20:14] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[20:14] <magespawn> if you put /var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html in your browser it takes you to file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html
[20:15] <magespawn> assuming munin is installed and running
[20:15] <inetpro> Maaz: assumption
[20:15] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[20:16] <Kilos> hehehe
[20:16] <magespawn> heh
[20:17]  * inetpro was assuming that he was looking for the previous munin graphs
[20:17] <Kilos> no man 
[20:17] <Kilos> i want to see what this one shows
[20:17] <Kilos> ai!
[20:18] <inetpro> Kilos: you really struggling to open the new graphs in the browser?
[20:18] <Kilos> mine opens google links
[20:18] <inetpro> ai!
[20:19] <inetpro> did you even look whether there are files in /var/cache/munin/www ?
[20:19] <inetpro> it's just another folder 
[20:19] <Kilos> i see the file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html
[20:20] <Kilos> 4 graphs on it
[20:20] <inetpro> what is the problem?
[20:20] <magespawn> that is a seriously cool program
[20:20] <Kilos> i want he latency link
[20:20] <Kilos> local one
[20:20] <inetpro> go find it
[20:21] <Kilos> sigh
[20:22] <inetpro> you can't find diskstats_latency?
[20:23] <Kilos> if i use this command yes
[20:23] <Kilos> file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/diskstats_latency/index.html
[20:24] <inetpro> that is not a command
[20:24] <Kilos> magespawn, save these
[20:24] <Kilos> browser link mAan
[20:24] <Kilos> whyat ever you call it
[20:24] <Kilos> ai!
[20:24] <inetpro> Kilos: you can browse those files with nautilus, seriously
[20:26] <inetpro> those are simply local files, hopefully not owned by miles, so you can't really mess them up unless you really try hard enough
[20:28] <Kilos> file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/diskstats_iops/index.html
[20:28] <Kilos> lol
[20:28] <Kilos> file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/cpu.html
[20:28] <Kilos> magespawn, ^^
[20:29] <inetpro> why you keep copying those lines?
[20:29] <magespawn> if you open file:///var/cache/munin/www/localdomain/index.html click on the link on the left hand side
[20:29] <inetpro> magespawn: nou praat ons
[20:29] <Kilos> oh
[20:30] <inetpro> bookmark that one link, is all you need to ever remember
[20:30] <magespawn> the links for all the other stats are on the left
[20:30] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:30] <Kilos> but it didnt show lekker like them links
[20:31] <Kilos> ive saved them all again to a file on desktop
[20:31] <Kilos> less thinking
[20:31] <Kilos> only actually need the cpu one i think
[20:32] <inetpro> all of them are as usefull as the other at some point in time
[20:32] <Kilos> the smaller the stuff at the top in purple the better
[20:32] <inetpro> useful as well
[20:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:34] <Kilos> now to find the dropbox ones again
[20:34] <Kilos> sigh
[20:35] <inetpro> Kilos: $ wget -q -O - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/12/31/%23ubuntu-za.txt | grep www.dropbox.com
[20:37] <Kilos> ai!
[20:39] <inetpro> or break it up in multiple commands to store the text file first and then search for anything locally
[20:39] <inetpro> $ wget -q -O ~/ubuntu-za_20141231.txt http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/12/31/%23ubuntu-za.txt
[20:39] <inetpro> $ grep www.dropbox.com ~/ubuntu-za_20141231.txt
[20:39] <Kilos> i logged in there now but dont have a dropbox folder here
[20:39] <Kilos> sigh
[20:41] <inetpro> you clearly shared that to the pubic, so no need to sign in really
[20:41] <Kilos> im lost now. dunno what im doing by dropbox
[20:41] <inetpro> public as well
[20:41] <Kilos> lol
[20:41] <Kilos> dirty mind
[20:41] <inetpro> uh
[20:42] <inetpro> where did you get lost?
[20:42] <Kilos> i dont know where to compare cpu usage
[20:42] <Kilos> the one with the big spikes
[20:43] <Kilos> this one has nearly nothing on it
[20:44] <Kilos> all 3 colours are tiny
[20:44] <Kilos> how do i share it with you inetpro 
[20:44] <Kilos> maybe its unity thats faster
[20:44] <Kilos> hehe
[20:46] <inetpro> talk to thatgraeme dude
[20:46] <Kilos> dont dude me man
[20:46] <Kilos> grrr
[20:46] <inetpro> he is the one who wanted to see diffs
[20:47] <Kilos> ok then ill do it again on monday
[20:47] <Kilos> the diffs is massive
[20:47] <Kilos> but an i5 cpu would improve it more im sure
[20:48] <Kilos> and even more ram maybe too
[20:48] <inetpro> Kilos: did you read what he said on Wednesday?
[20:49] <inetpro> starting at 19:49
[20:49] <Kilos> will go see again
[20:50] <magespawn> i am off to bed, good night, play nicely 
[20:50] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[20:50] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:50] <Kilos> im not far behind you
[20:52] <Kilos> oh you mean about maxing out a single core
[20:52] <Kilos> why would peeps want i7's then
[20:54] <Kilos> ek moeg nou
[20:54] <Kilos> night everyone
[20:54] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:55] <inetpro> uh
[20:55] <Kilos> what
[20:55] <inetpro> who did you talk to now?
[20:55] <Kilos> you
[20:55] <inetpro> "you mean about maxing out a single core"
[20:55] <Kilos> about what
[20:56] <Kilos> ya thats what graeme said
[20:56] <inetpro> that ^^
[20:56] <Kilos> he said im using 10% of a single core
[20:56] <inetpro> check iowait
[20:56] <inetpro> he said look at the purple
[20:56] <Kilos> huh?
[20:56] <Kilos> ya
[20:57] <Kilos> i now see very little purple
[20:57] <inetpro> [20:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> as you can see your cpu spends quite a bit of time waiting for disk operations
[20:57] <Kilos> ya
[20:57] <inetpro> if you look at your old graphs
[20:58] <inetpro> iowait MAX was at 110
[20:58] <Kilos> thats what i cant find the old ones for cpu
[20:58] <inetpro> genuine?
[20:58] <Kilos> ya
[20:58] <inetpro> from that dropbox link I downloaded that thing as a zip
[20:59] <inetpro> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tsjrqlz1g7lvyqv/AAD5TxnPYBIJ7uXFIUCJ9guKa?dl=0
[20:59] <inetpro> click download at the top and select 'Download as a .zip'
[20:59] <Kilos> oh ya i see that page but dunno how to use it
[21:00] <inetpro> now store it and unzip in some empty folder
[21:01] <Kilos> i dont see download
[21:01] <inetpro> ai!
[21:01] <inetpro> top right
[21:01] <inetpro> what do you see?
[21:02] <Kilos> upgrade account and me
[21:02] <Kilos> im on opera hey
[21:02] <inetpro> so you logged in already
[21:02] <inetpro> can you sign out?
[21:03] <Kilos> lemme try
[21:03] <inetpro> now click on the link above again, or highlight, copy and paste URL
[21:04] <Kilos> i dont see a logout thingie
[21:04] <Kilos> ai!
[21:05] <inetpro> hmm... murhy really likes kilos?
[21:05] <Kilos> rofl ya
[21:05] <Kilos> murphy
[21:05] <inetpro> ya that one
[21:06] <Kilos> boetie ek is poegaai
[21:06] <inetpro> maybe you too tired
[21:06] <Kilos> kan worry about this stuff tomorrow or monday
[21:06] <inetpro> tomorrow is another day
[21:06] <inetpro> good night
[21:06] <Kilos> sleep tight boetie, ty for all the help
[21:07]  * inetpro didn't help much
[21:07] <Kilos> and modest too
[21:07] <Kilos> ěěЩЩ
[21:08] <inetpro> eek!
[21:08] <inetpro> what was that supposed to be?
[21:08] <Kilos> tried to close hexchat and found a new window with funny characters in
[21:08] <Kilos> rofl
[21:08] <Kilos> its called character chart
[21:08] <hilake> utf-8 and what not
[21:08] <Kilos> dunno where it came from