[00:01] sandarce: You probably could, but (1) do it via terminal, and (2) watch what else gets removed. === mat__ is now known as Guest8041 === top is now known as top_ === top_ is now known as top__ === top__ is now known as top === sergio_ is now known as Guest89279 === infamy is now known as Guest61064 === soee__ is now known as soee === Anemona is now known as pedro === pedro is now known as Anemona [07:44] fuck this === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy === tpm is now known as flankerr [07:57] fuck this shit [07:57] fucking morons [08:23] Bom dia galera! [08:51] Good morning. === lior is now known as ddd321 [11:05] 'Morning folks [11:12] hi [11:12] does kubuntu run on a macbook pro retina? is it easy to install? [11:13] i would like to switch to a distro with kde (5 plasma in the end) [11:17] tzukk, don't use plasma 5 if you're on a work machine..too buggy [11:18] what a shame :/ [11:18] i never liked the looks of kde so far [11:18] but the new one looks nice [11:19] also i was using a minimal setup for years, but now need one that "just works" for work [11:19] automount, easy network discoverage, easy multiple monitors, easy wifi setup and such [11:20] tzukk: not too buggy for me :) [11:20] works fine here === zz_XeBlackWater is now known as XeBlackWater [12:23] buggy for me, dual screen, try to rotate one and the screen messes itself, and in vmware try to resize the screen and it breaks up to. [12:25] MoonUnit`: Plasma5 ? [12:26] yeah [12:26] hmm ok that i can't verify, im not using rotations etc [12:26] lets hope in Plasma 5.2 beta that should; be released this week we will see a lot of fixes :) [12:29] soee, this week ? [12:31] BluesKaj_: yes, Riddell said he will package them [12:31] schedule https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5 [12:31] and teh final 27th [12:32] i think teh packaging shouldnt be so hard now when using kubuntu-ci [12:36] one thing [12:36] what is the difference between ubuntu and debian, as a base for kubuntu i mean [12:37] tzukk, that's a google question [12:38] !core [12:40] BluesKaj_: so far i havent found an answer [12:40] thats why i decided to ask here [12:40] tzukk: ubuntu is based on debian unstable but stabalised.... [12:40] tzukk: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Debian_vs_Ubuntu [12:40] and why did people not help up with stabalizin debian unstable then? [12:41] tzukk: ubuntu stable has far newer packages than debian stable - i think due to direction really. [12:41] this is probably the wrong place to ask anyway........... [12:42] hmm is ee [12:42] also kubuntu stable often has newer KDE version than debian unstable. [12:42] a good kde based distrobased on debian is NeptuneOS BTW [12:43] oh never heard of it, thank you! i checkt it out! [12:43] that's why google is your friend (ahem) , but one needs to know how to ask :) [12:44] at the risk of starting a flame war: there's a reason there is hundreds of distros. Many are too egocentric to cooperate [12:45] I use kubuntu as I love KDE - Ubuntu is also generally the most supported distro in term of software... [12:45] although Neptune OS is probably faster - I think due to BFS scheduler and sysctl tweaks. [12:46] i was thinking about switching to kubuntu === David1977 is now known as Guest50106 [12:46] but kubuntu releases are solid enough to use for work+ home desktops [12:46] but i dont think double-work needs to be done, thats why i think about rather supporting debian [12:47] debian is a too conservative for my taste [12:48] the stable version that is [12:49] BluesKaj_: correct - this is why neptuneos is interesting [12:49] its debian stable + later kernel (3.16.x) + later Nvidia driver + latest stable KDE 4.14.2 [12:49] + BFS... [12:49] but i still use kubuntu as main desktops.... [12:50] they have even copied your design.... [12:50] i.e [12:50] sounds like neptuneos is nice [12:50] yossarianuk, well, think I'll stick with an OS that has at least some support. Neptune does sound interesting, but merely as an experiment [12:51] see technologies here - http://www.kubuntu.org/ [12:51] and http://neptuneos.com/en/about-neptune.html [12:51] is anyone of you contributing to kubuntu in some way? [12:51] I'd sue them... [12:51] tzukk: bug reports [12:51] I make a PPA with latest stable Nvidia also. [12:51] (the sue thing was a joke.....) [12:52] interesting :) [12:52] testing 15.04 here [12:53] plasma 5 seem nice (tested with 14.10+PPA) [12:53] not a plasma 5/KF5 fan yet ...it needs improvement [12:54] i am only here because i want to use kde 5 plasma :) [12:54] never liked (the standard) look of kde 4 [12:55] heh, I don't like the simplistic flat default look that plsama 5 has [12:56] icons are like cartoon images...worse than gtk in 2005 [12:56] i think kde 4 can made to look nice. but i was not able to do that easily [12:57] i found a tool which was supposed to download new themes (standard in kde). but some couldnt be downloaded. and on kde-looks there were more than the tool displayed. also searching dint work properly [13:01] i like the current P5 theme http://wstaw.org/m/2015/01/04/p5.png [13:01] looks good [13:02] tzukk: here is a good example why to choose (k)ubuntu rather than debian - i.e you want to test plasma 5... [13:02] with Plasma 5.2 the new decoration will be also usable [13:02] *window decoration [13:02] soee: what plasma version will 15.04 come with ? [13:03] yossarianuk: 5.2 i think [13:03] it will be releaed january 27th and Vivid in April [13:03] so maybe 5.2.2 or something [13:03] this means in january 27th i can download kubuntu with plasam 5? [13:04] its already using Plasma 5.1 [13:04] *Vivid Alpha1 [13:04] the screen i posted is frm Vivid Alpah 1 [13:04] *slpha [13:05] soee: well i meant in a more or less stable way :) [13:05] i am looking for a setup for work [13:06] soee: cheers [13:06] 5.1 seemed stable enough... [13:06] few issues with system-settings [13:06] tzukk: yeah Plasma 5.2 might be what you are looking [13:06] but maybe i can just go with kde 4 for now. though some concepts of it i never understood. this strange area on the desktop that is there by default for example [13:07] soee: 5.2 in current status or on januara 27th? [13:07] in 27th :) [13:07] okay, i can wait that long :) [13:07] soee: i like your screenshot [13:08] is it also possible to make kde 4 look like that? [13:08] tzukk: there is some theme that makes it look liek a breeze [13:09] but i never tried it as im on Plasma 5 since first releases [13:10] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Kubuntu_jaunty.png <- i never liked the menu. and also the roundness of the bar [13:11] ah im not using it in Plasma 5 [13:12] maybe i should try this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dynamo+Plasma?content=166475 [13:12] im using kicker, here is some very old video of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2DIHGhJIeg [13:14] Kubuntu 14.10 Plasma 4 <- so i am going to download this and if i want plasma 5 i have to add a ppa right? [13:15] and then apt-cache search plasma? === XeBlackWater is now known as zz_XeBlackWater [13:15] www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10 [13:16] see "Install Plasma 5 on 14.10" [13:16] thanks andy123 [13:17] tzukk: but more straight-forward is to directly download the plasma 5 tech preview [13:17] i think i will go for the stable [13:17] and then switch to plasma 5 on january 27th [13:17] its not too long to wait [13:18] one more thing: i have an uefi laptop. is this okay with kubuntu? or anything to know? [13:18] what's going to happen on jan 27th? [13:18] tzukk: UEFI is fine [13:18] unless you are also using win8 I suggest disabling secure-boot though [13:19] andy123: it will be releaed january 27th and Vivid in April [13:19] also chech out rEFInd [13:19] i would like to have two distros on that laptop. it wont be a problem with grub 2 right? [13:19] no, windows here :) [13:19] rEFInd = UEFI bootloader - auto adds all UEFI systems it detects [13:20] and whats the difference in refind vs grub2? [13:20] with UEFI you shouldn't use the grub menu from one distro to boot to another [13:20] rEFInd can boot without grub.. [13:20] so i should install refind instead of grub? [13:20] it detects existing UEFI installs and gives you a graphical menu to chooe them [13:20] no you should just install rEFInd [13:21] (along side) [13:21] yossarianuk: how do i go about this? first installing kubuntu as usal, and then install refind at last? [13:21] yes [13:22] yossarianuk: can it be installed with apt? [13:22] tzukk: dpkg [13:22] i see, so its not a hassle [13:22] and then it will autodetect all OSs installed? [13:22] should do - and give the correct icon (if known) [13:23] you can still book via your bios's UEFI loader also. [13:23] i.e rEFInd works with existing bootloaders (including windows) or via EFI stub [13:23] wow this stuff is confusing [13:23] http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/linux.html [13:24] sort of... [13:25] actualy there is a PPA for apt - https://launchpad.net/~rodsmith/+archive/ubuntu/refind [13:25] the .deb file is @ http://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/files/0.8.4/refind_0.8.4-1_amd64.deb/download [13:25] (ill use the PPA from now on..) [13:28] great, thanks yossarianuk [13:28] so no configuration just installing it [13:29] no config in my experience - however you can edit the config if you want. [13:31] but whats the difference to grub2, i thought it can boot uefi too? [13:34] it can [13:35] the difference if with rEFInd you can boot multiple UEFI OS's from the same menu [13:37] grub + UEFI if you boot into another distro from another grub menu it probably will not work - it will work between various versions of ubunut+varients as they all use the same.EFI file to boot [13:37] however if you say boot Fedora from an ubuntu UEFI-grub menu it will likely not boot [13:37] as it uses a different .EFI file [13:38] rEFInd can boot multiple UEFI OS's. [13:38] oh [13:38] i see [13:38] well that sounds nice :) i will go for that [13:38] (and its graphical + mouse support) [13:38] if you only ever boot 1 OS though don't worry... [15:24] hi [15:24] hiho [15:25] does the last version of kubuntu has ktorrent? [15:26] application ? [15:26] yes [15:26] yes [15:26] i dont have to install....... [15:26] is it embedded? [15:27] yes [15:27] great === pvoigt_ is now known as pvoigt [15:58] Hello, sombody know howto get a list of selected appoinments out of korganizer? Like for example all appoinments of a year showing a list of it the start and endtime. [15:58] Reoccuring appoinments should show as several events in this list as well. === kubuntu is now known as Guest94919 === bro is now known as Guest38684 === valentin is now known as vineri === omega_ is now known as Guest48392 === Guest48392 is now known as hashish === hashish is now known as skafandri