[00:01] <SonikkuAmerica> sandarce: You probably could, but (1) do it via terminal, and (2) watch what else gets removed.
[07:44] <tpm> fuck this
[07:57] <flankerr> fuck this shit
[07:57] <flankerr> fucking morons
[08:23] <bloo> Bom dia galera!
[08:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:05] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning folks
[11:12] <tzukk> hi
[11:12] <tzukk> does kubuntu run on a macbook pro retina? is it easy to install?
[11:13] <tzukk> i would like to switch to a distro with kde (5 plasma in the end)
[11:17] <BluesKaj_> tzukk, don't use plasma 5 if you're on a work machine..too buggy
[11:18] <tzukk> what a shame :/
[11:18] <tzukk> i never liked the looks of kde so far
[11:18] <tzukk> but the new one looks nice
[11:19] <tzukk> also i was using a minimal setup for years, but now need one that "just works" for work
[11:19] <tzukk> automount, easy network discoverage, easy multiple monitors, easy wifi setup and such
[11:20] <soee> tzukk: not too buggy for me :)
[11:20] <soee> works fine here
[12:23] <MoonUnit`> buggy for me, dual screen, try to rotate one and the screen messes itself, and in vmware try to resize the screen and it breaks up to.
[12:25] <soee> MoonUnit`: Plasma5 ?
[12:26] <MoonUnit`> yeah
[12:26] <soee> hmm ok that i can't verify, im not using rotations etc
[12:26] <soee> lets hope in Plasma 5.2 beta that should; be released this week we will see a lot of fixes :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj_> soee, this week ?
[12:31] <soee> BluesKaj_: yes, Riddell said he will package them
[12:31] <soee> schedule https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
[12:31] <soee> and teh final 27th
[12:32] <soee> i think teh packaging shouldnt be so hard now when using kubuntu-ci
[12:36] <tzukk> one thing
[12:36] <tzukk> what is the difference between ubuntu and debian, as a base for kubuntu i mean
[12:37] <BluesKaj_> tzukk, that's a google question
[12:38] <BluesKaj_> !core
[12:40] <tzukk> BluesKaj_: so far i havent found an answer
[12:40] <tzukk> thats why i decided to ask here
[12:40] <yossarianuk> tzukk: ubuntu is based on debian unstable but stabalised....
[12:40] <yossarianuk> tzukk: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Debian_vs_Ubuntu
[12:40] <tzukk> and why did people not help up with stabalizin debian unstable then?
[12:41] <yossarianuk> tzukk: ubuntu stable has far newer packages than debian stable - i think due to direction really.
[12:41] <yossarianuk> this is probably the wrong place to ask anyway...........
[12:42] <tzukk> hmm is ee
[12:42] <yossarianuk> also kubuntu stable often has newer KDE version than debian unstable.
[12:42] <yossarianuk> a good kde based distrobased on debian is NeptuneOS BTW
[12:43] <tzukk> oh never heard of it, thank you!  i checkt it out!
[12:43] <BluesKaj_> that's why google is your friend (ahem) , but one needs to know how to ask :)
[12:44] <andy123> at the risk of starting a flame war: there's a reason there is hundreds of distros. Many are too egocentric to cooperate
[12:45] <yossarianuk> I use kubuntu as I love KDE - Ubuntu is also generally the most supported distro in term of software...
[12:45] <yossarianuk> although Neptune OS is probably faster - I think due to BFS scheduler and sysctl tweaks.
[12:46] <tzukk> i was thinking about switching to kubuntu
[12:46] <yossarianuk> but kubuntu releases are solid enough to use for work+ home desktops
[12:46] <tzukk> but i dont think double-work needs to be done, thats why i think about rather supporting debian
[12:47] <BluesKaj_> debian is a too conservative for my taste
[12:48] <BluesKaj_> the stable version that is
[12:49] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj_: correct - this is why neptuneos is interesting
[12:49] <yossarianuk> its debian stable + later kernel (3.16.x) + later Nvidia driver + latest stable KDE 4.14.2
[12:49] <yossarianuk> + BFS...
[12:49] <yossarianuk> but i still use kubuntu as main desktops....
[12:50] <yossarianuk> they have even copied your design....
[12:50] <yossarianuk> i.e
[12:50] <tzukk> sounds like neptuneos is nice
[12:50] <BluesKaj_> yossarianuk, well, think I'll stick with an OS that has at least some support. Neptune does sound interesting, but merely as an experiment
[12:51] <yossarianuk> see technologies here - http://www.kubuntu.org/
[12:51] <yossarianuk> and http://neptuneos.com/en/about-neptune.html
[12:51] <tzukk> is anyone of you contributing to kubuntu in some way?
[12:51] <yossarianuk> I'd sue them...
[12:51] <yossarianuk> tzukk: bug reports
[12:51] <yossarianuk> I make a PPA with latest stable Nvidia also.
[12:51] <yossarianuk> (the sue thing was a joke.....)
[12:52] <tzukk> interesting :)
[12:52] <BluesKaj_> testing 15.04 here
[12:53] <yossarianuk> plasma 5 seem nice (tested with 14.10+PPA)
[12:53] <BluesKaj_> not a plasma 5/KF5 fan yet ...it needs improvement
[12:54] <tzukk> i am only here because i want to use kde 5 plasma :)
[12:54] <tzukk> never liked (the standard) look of kde 4
[12:55] <BluesKaj_> heh, I don't like the simplistic flat default look that plsama 5 has
[12:56] <BluesKaj_> icons are like cartoon images...worse than gtk in 2005
[12:56] <tzukk> i think kde 4 can made to look nice. but i was not able to do that easily
[12:57] <tzukk> i found a tool which was supposed to download new themes (standard in kde). but some couldnt be downloaded. and on kde-looks there were more than the tool displayed. also searching dint work properly
[13:01] <soee> i like the current P5 theme http://wstaw.org/m/2015/01/04/p5.png
[13:01] <yossarianuk> looks good
[13:02] <yossarianuk> tzukk: here is a good example why to choose (k)ubuntu rather than debian - i.e you want to test plasma 5...
[13:02] <soee> with Plasma 5.2 the new decoration will be also usable
[13:02] <soee> *window decoration
[13:02] <yossarianuk> soee: what plasma version will 15.04 come with ?
[13:03] <soee> yossarianuk: 5.2 i think
[13:03] <soee> it will be releaed january 27th and Vivid in April
[13:03] <soee> so maybe 5.2.2 or something
[13:03] <tzukk> this means in january 27th i can download kubuntu with plasam 5?
[13:04] <soee> its already using Plasma 5.1
[13:04] <soee> *Vivid Alpha1
[13:04] <soee> the screen i posted is frm Vivid Alpah 1
[13:04] <soee> *slpha
[13:05] <tzukk> soee: well i meant in a more or less stable way :)
[13:05] <tzukk> i am looking for a setup for work
[13:06] <yossarianuk> soee: cheers
[13:06] <yossarianuk> 5.1 seemed stable enough...
[13:06] <yossarianuk> few issues with system-settings
[13:06] <soee> tzukk: yeah Plasma 5.2 might be what you are looking
[13:06] <tzukk> but maybe i can just go with kde 4 for now. though some concepts of it i never understood. this strange area on the desktop that is there by default for example
[13:07] <tzukk> soee: 5.2 in current status or on januara 27th?
[13:07] <soee> in 27th :)
[13:07] <tzukk> okay, i can wait that long :)
[13:07] <tzukk> soee: i like your screenshot
[13:08] <tzukk> is it also possible to make kde 4 look like that?
[13:08] <soee> tzukk: there is some theme that makes it look liek a breeze
[13:09] <soee> but i never tried it as im on Plasma 5 since first releases
[13:10] <tzukk> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Kubuntu_jaunty.png <- i never liked the menu. and also the roundness of the bar
[13:11] <soee> ah im not using it in Plasma 5
[13:12] <tzukk> maybe i should try this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dynamo+Plasma?content=166475
[13:12] <soee> im using kicker, here is some very old video of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2DIHGhJIeg
[13:14] <tzukk> Kubuntu 14.10 Plasma 4 <- so i am going to download this and if i want plasma 5 i have to add a ppa right?
[13:15] <tzukk> and then apt-cache search plasma?
[13:15] <andy123> www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10
[13:16] <andy123> see "Install Plasma 5 on 14.10"
[13:16] <tzukk> thanks andy123
[13:17] <andy123> tzukk: but more straight-forward is to directly download the plasma 5 tech preview
[13:17] <tzukk> i think i will go for the stable
[13:17] <tzukk> and then switch to plasma 5 on january 27th
[13:17] <tzukk> its not too long to wait
[13:18] <tzukk> one more thing: i have an uefi laptop. is this okay with kubuntu? or anything to know?
[13:18] <andy123> what's going to happen on jan 27th?
[13:18] <yossarianuk> tzukk: UEFI is fine
[13:18] <yossarianuk> unless you are also using win8 I suggest disabling secure-boot though
[13:19] <tzukk> andy123: <soee> it will be releaed january 27th and Vivid in April
[13:19] <yossarianuk> also chech out rEFInd
[13:19] <tzukk> i would like to have two distros on that laptop. it wont be a problem with grub 2 right?
[13:19] <tzukk> no, windows here :)
[13:19] <yossarianuk> rEFInd = UEFI bootloader - auto adds all UEFI systems it detects
[13:20] <tzukk> and whats the difference in refind vs grub2?
[13:20] <yossarianuk> with UEFI you shouldn't use the grub menu from one distro to boot to another
[13:20] <yossarianuk> rEFInd can boot without grub..
[13:20] <tzukk> so i should install refind instead of grub?
[13:20] <yossarianuk> it detects existing UEFI installs and gives you a graphical menu to chooe them
[13:20] <yossarianuk> no you should just install rEFInd
[13:21] <yossarianuk> (along side)
[13:21] <tzukk> yossarianuk: how do i go about this? first installing kubuntu as usal, and then install refind at last?
[13:21] <yossarianuk> yes
[13:22] <tzukk> yossarianuk: can it be installed with apt?
[13:22] <yossarianuk> tzukk: dpkg
[13:22] <tzukk> i see, so its not a hassle
[13:22] <tzukk> and then it will autodetect all OSs installed?
[13:22] <yossarianuk> should do - and give the correct icon (if known)
[13:23] <yossarianuk> you can still book via your bios's UEFI loader also.
[13:23] <yossarianuk> i.e rEFInd works with existing bootloaders (including windows) or via EFI stub
[13:23] <tzukk> wow this stuff is confusing
[13:23] <yossarianuk> http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/linux.html
[13:24] <yossarianuk> sort of...
[13:25] <yossarianuk> actualy there is a PPA for apt - https://launchpad.net/~rodsmith/+archive/ubuntu/refind
[13:25] <yossarianuk> the .deb file is @ http://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/files/0.8.4/refind_0.8.4-1_amd64.deb/download
[13:25] <yossarianuk> (ill use the PPA from now on..)
[13:28] <tzukk> great, thanks yossarianuk
[13:28] <tzukk> so no configuration just installing it
[13:29] <yossarianuk> no config in my experience - however you can edit the config if you want.
[13:31] <tzukk> but whats the difference to grub2, i thought it can boot uefi too?
[13:34] <yossarianuk> it can
[13:35] <yossarianuk> the difference if with rEFInd you can boot multiple UEFI OS's from the same menu
[13:37] <yossarianuk> grub + UEFI if you boot into another distro from another grub menu it probably will not work - it will work between various versions of ubunut+varients as they all use the same.EFI file to boot
[13:37] <yossarianuk> however if you say boot Fedora from an ubuntu UEFI-grub menu it will likely not boot
[13:37] <yossarianuk> as it uses a different .EFI file
[13:38] <yossarianuk> rEFInd can boot multiple UEFI OS's.
[13:38] <tzukk> oh
[13:38] <tzukk> i see
[13:38] <tzukk> well that sounds nice :) i will go for that
[13:38] <yossarianuk> (and its graphical + mouse support)
[13:38] <yossarianuk> if you only ever boot 1 OS though don't worry...
[15:24] <torrente> hi
[15:24] <soee> hiho
[15:25] <torrente> does the last version of kubuntu has ktorrent?
[15:26] <soee> application ?
[15:26] <torrente> yes
[15:26] <soee> yes
[15:26] <torrente> i dont have to install.......
[15:26] <torrente> is it embedded?
[15:27] <soee> yes
[15:27] <torrente> great
[15:58] <m-t> Hello, sombody know howto get a list of selected appoinments out of korganizer? Like for example all appoinments of a year showing a list of it the start and endtime.
[15:58] <m-t> Reoccuring appoinments should show as several events in this list as well.