[00:00] <Welshman> daftykins: Sorry:...Well, it can be done because, even though I did not make a note of the website, I recently 'came across' or 'found' the actual procedure when I was not even searching about it. If that is possible then...
[00:00] <daftykins> i don't understand that example, but you can't compare everything like that
[00:00] <daftykins> also, just because a given approach 'works' it doesn't mean there aren't half a million better ways of doing things
[00:04] <daftykins> but yeah, .tar.gz's are not how to install software on Ubuntu
[00:05] <Welshman> daftykins: Well, sorry for saying this, but I think a lot of things are possible with regards to computing. Also, I do not know if this applies, but my brother who is a computer expert/geek and lives in New Zealand thinks I know more about computing than he does! That is really all I have to say.
[00:06] <daftykins> !manual
[00:06] <daftykins> ok well give the above a go if it goes wrong.
[00:07] <Welshman> daftykins: Sorry but I have to leave the room. All the best for 2015 + bye for now.
[00:08] <daftykins> wow
[00:09] <Welshman> Wow? Anyway bye for now.
[01:29] <diddledan> daftykins: I just read through that dialog you had with the welshman - wow indeed
[01:30] <diddledan> I'm guessing the computer expert/geek brother who claims this guy knows more doesn't actually know enough to refer to himself as an expert
[01:32] <diddledan> heck I work in the industry and I definitely never refer to myself as expert
[01:32] <diddledan> I know enough to perform my job function
[01:38] <daftykins> :D
[01:39] <daftykins> no mondesty in the world anymore ;)
[01:42] <diddledan> :-)
[01:44] <daftykins> i can understand multiple ways to do something, but why persist when told it's the wrong way to go about something?
[01:44] <daftykins> i don't even have a clue what the 'run programs from an SD card before Windows boots' was about
[01:44] <daftykins> maybe just SD card boot ;)
[01:46] <diddledan> I really don't understand why he "needs" to put a printer driver in the dvd is
[01:46] <diddledan> iso*
[01:47] <daftykins> nah, we weren't permitted that nugget of info
[01:47] <zmoylan-pi> because if you want to run the os from a live disk installing the printer would be more awkward?
[01:47] <penguin42> I can only think if he was going around to install 50 machines with them all on
[01:47] <diddledan> I could almost understand it if he was attempting to put a non-standard network driver there
[01:47] <penguin42> yeh, a live cd would be a fair reason
[01:48] <daftykins> penguin42: i was wondering that too
[01:48] <daftykins> but then i would hope some guy who won't even look into how software is installed on Ubuntu, would be asked to setup a whole office XD
[01:48] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh well.....
[01:49] <daftykins> c'est la vie? ;)
[01:49] <daftykins> eh it just really frustrates when people aren't straight with you
[01:49] <penguin42> yeh
[01:49] <daftykins> like when people lie about damaging a laptop and you have to play detective
[01:50] <diddledan> hmm, missed the last few lines due to disconnection
[01:50] <diddledan> silly bt
[01:50] <zmoylan-pi> no no it was like that when i got here...
[01:50] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: oops?
[01:50] <diddledan> :-p
[01:51] <zmoylan-pi> and then it takes an hour or two to learn that they randomly started deleting files to free up space...
[01:51] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: :D indeed
[01:52] <zmoylan-pi> or poured their coffee into the keyboard
[01:52] <diddledan> I like the windows support requests that eventually they admit to deleting things in c:\windwos\system32 because internet
[01:52] <zmoylan-pi> or dropped the pc off the desk
[01:53] <zmoylan-pi> or flipped the 110v/240v switch on the back of the old desktops
[01:53] <diddledan> ouch
[01:53] <diddledan> that could be nassy
[01:54] <zmoylan-pi> or switched off the server in the middle of an end of year batch update overnight task in the accounts.
[01:54] <zmoylan-pi> not *THAT* was nasty
[01:54] <zmoylan-pi> *now
[01:54] <diddledan> >.<
[01:55] <diddledan> shauno has stories of big ups + cleaner lady
[01:55] <daftykins> shauno: ooh do tell! :>
[01:56] <daftykins> i was teaching a class of kids with hardware a bit ago, one of them did the voltage selector as one of the kind of diagnostic faults they had to set for each other
[01:56] <daftykins> i made him stay late and swap the PSU for another
[01:56] <diddledan> apparently cleaners can't read the "server equipment only" notices and plug random cleaning equipment
[01:56] <penguin42> daftykins: The world still has voltage selectors?
[01:56] <daftykins> penguin42: educational donation machines :)
[01:56] <zmoylan-pi> english speaking cleaners?
[01:56] <penguin42> ah
[01:58] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: potentially. though it can sometimes be hard to discern ;-)
[01:59] <daftykins> reminds me, i need to enquire about this "700 laptops" batch sometime :>
[02:00] <diddledan> though if you need a lceaner, plumbfor a polish one, because they work harder than native british workers and they speak better english
[02:00] <diddledan> daftykins: 700?!
[02:00] <diddledan> that's a lotta flippies
[02:00] <zmoylan-pi> though one of my favourites was the pc that always went wonky on the weekends in a security guard company.  took 2-3 months to track down that at weekend staff moved radio transmitter to top of pc and hard drive ended up getting random stuff written to it all the time,
[02:01] <diddledan> lol
[02:01] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah, seems unreal to me
[02:01] <daftykins> there must be some real dinosaurs in there to be that many
[02:01] <daftykins> especially if that's locally O_O
[02:01] <penguin42> daftykins: Or is ti just one big company upgrade cycle?
[02:02] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I heard of a similar one; a guy I knew used to repair typesetters and got called in to one that always went wrong about the same time, eventually tracked it down to the security guards cat that tended to sit on it
[02:03] <daftykins> didn't hear much detail from the head of IT, just phone call, 700... he'll chase it up in the new year :D
[02:03]  * penguin42 points out to daftykins it IS the new year
[02:03] <daftykins> haha
[02:03] <zmoylan-pi> i also had one where a new pentium iii just went corrupt within 2-3 days of installation as did all it's replacements.  in a shop beside electric commuter rail but should have been safe.
[02:03] <daftykins> don't think the kids are back yet though
[02:04] <zmoylan-pi> turns out it was beside wonky fridge freezer motor that kicked out a huge magnetic pulse.  a pii worked fine, piii a complete no no
[02:04] <daftykins> haha
[02:04] <daftykins> purely the extra cycles sensitivity to EMI huh?
[02:04] <diddledan> nuts
[02:05] <zmoylan-pi> seemingly.  the piii was a windows pos replacing a dos pos on a pentium. had to search a lot till i found the pii
[02:14] <zmoylan-pi> or the customer who put a novell network in a portacabin in the 80s.  but protected it from flooding by running all power/network/phone cables along roof.  hit by lightening.
[02:17] <daftykins> XD
[02:17] <daftykins> actually a mate said he stretched a cable between two cabins just the other day up the local airport, as one PC was wireless from a router in the one next door
[02:18] <daftykins> he was gonna call me, but you have to have some background check and pass to work airport side
[02:20] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, they're not too keen on you wandering with a bunch of tools alright.  i had to fix a pc in a seaport secure area.  twas fun opening my toolbox.
[02:22] <daftykins> :D
[02:23] <diddledan> I don't open my toolbox for just anybody
[02:23] <diddledan> it's 2am, surely I'm allowed inuendo now?!
[02:24] <penguin42> just put your screwdriver away laddie
[02:24] <zmoylan-pi> small swiss army knife, large swiss army knife, big hammer...
[02:26] <daftykins> heh i read penguin42's line in Scotty from Star Trek TOS's voice ;)
[02:26] <diddledan> ditto
[02:27] <diddledan> scotty is the only version of scottish accent I can encourage my brain to read
[02:28] <daftykins> "er, laddy... don't you think you oughta rephrase that?"
[02:31] <penguin42> yes that feels about the right accent for that line
[06:31] <mapp> hi all
[07:20] <mapp> night daftykins
[07:20] <daftykins> nn sir o/
[07:20] <mapp> not gotta be up early tomorrow i take it?:P)
[07:21] <daftykins> 'tis Sunday!
[08:46] <subash> hello sir
[08:46] <subash> i need your help please
[08:48] <subash> my hard disk is of 500 gb and was 400 gb used . while i try installing ubuntu 14.04 all my files were deleted. now i dont have any oprtating software on my laptop and even no files. can i get my files back. its really important please hehp
[08:49] <subash> no onr is here
[08:49] <subash> please email me at subashkarki68@outlook.com
[10:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:52]  * penguin42 has set his alarm for tomorrow morning :-(
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> the happy traffic and commuters won't wake you up?
[11:59] <penguin42> I get a lot of traffic noise anyway
[12:00] <penguin42> but has been able to stay in bed until at least 11am since xmas
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> but tomorrow it'll be extra happy and relaxed
[14:00] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[14:02] <brobostigon> afternoodlings knightwise
[14:03] <knightwise> hey brobostigon  :) how are you this afternoon ?
[14:04] <brobostigon> my eczema could be better, otherwise ok. and you?
[14:04] <knightwise> working on  a little project
[14:04] <brobostigon> :)
[14:04] <knightwise> dugg up my old EEE pc this weekend and hooked it up with an external usb harddrive
[14:05] <brobostigon> back up server?
[14:05] <knightwise> now using some backupscripts and a little bit of bittorrent sync to create an offsite backup machine.
[14:05] <penguin42> brobostigon: Mine always gets annoyed by colds
[14:05] <brobostigon> :)
[14:05] <knightwise> running the first syncs now so the bulk of the data has been moved over ..
[14:05] <brobostigon> penguin42: similerly, anytime i am ill, it affects it.
[14:05] <knightwise> next week I'll place the machine at my inlaws and .. boom : headless offsite backup machine
[14:05] <penguin42> brobostigon: Actually I can normally tell from the eczema I'm getting a cold 2 or 3 days before I feel the symptoms from the cold
[14:06] <brobostigon> penguin42: i agree, i get similer signs.
[14:13] <knightwise> Coffee !
[14:13] <knightwise> Cuz I need to finish up my paperwork for my quarterly taxes
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't a rasp pi pay for itself in the power it doesn't use over an eee pc?
[14:21] <knightwise> You might be right,
[14:21] <knightwise> but the eee doesnt use that much power , does it ?
[14:21] <knightwise> i'm running it headless
[14:22] <knightwise> i think the harddisk uses the most power (external usb disk) but it spins down when its not doing anything
[14:23] <DJones> Any suggestions on a device that will turn a tv into a smart tv with dnla compatibility (that isn't a rasberry pi) and comes with a remote (or has an android app to create a remote)
[14:23] <knightwise> chromecast
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> the pi can run off a phone charger while i suspect the eee pc takes a bit more power.  even with screen off that power brick is nice and warm :-)
[14:23] <knightwise> works like a charm
[14:23] <knightwise> Or one of those android pc stick things
[14:24] <DJones> knightwise: Thats what I was thinking of, wasn't sure if it had dnla
[14:24] <penguin42> DJones: There are some little android devices that can do that, never played with them for that purpose (and I bricked mine...)
[14:24] <knightwise> the chromecast isnt dlna ,
[14:24] <knightwise> but what servers are you using ? plex ?
[14:24] <DJones> dnla
[14:24] <DJones> minidnla to be more specific
[14:24] <knightwise> DJones: from what app ?
[14:24] <knightwise> erm... I think you are better off with one of those android mini pc"s.
[14:25] <DJones> Fair enough
[14:25] <knightwise> co worker of mine had one but i forgot the name
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> there are quite a few of them now
[14:27] <penguin42> DJones: There is a big choice of different ARM hardware in them; if you find one that's based on an i.MX6 you should be able to run anything you like on it, not just Android
[14:27] <DJones> Bought a new tv before christmas, then set up minidnla, that works briliantly, just thinking about getting something for the main tv for the living room to give it he same capeability
[14:28] <DJones> Looks like quite a few available, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Vsmart-v5ii-ezcast-smart-tv-stick-media-player-with-function-of-DLNA-Miracast-better-than-android/1406969810.html as an example
[14:29] <penguin42> DJones: Yeh loads, they're just little android boxes
[14:29] <penguin42> DJones: There's a vast variety in the hardware
[14:30] <DJones> penguin42: Definately, a case were google is overwhelming with information
[14:31] <penguin42> DJones: Some are more hackable than others; but generally there at least dual core 1GB RAM ish except for the oldest ones
[14:32] <DJones> I'm not bothered about it being hackable (its got to be non-techy wife suitable) so plug in and use will be ideal
[14:33] <DJones> non techy in that she uses Ubuntu & android and hates windows, so more techy than she believes, but don't want to overload her
[14:34] <penguin42> DJones: Yep, some of them there are Ubuntu builds for for example
[14:34] <DJones> As she says, Ubuntu just does what she wants, she doesn't have to mess around for 12 hours before she can install something after waiting for security updates that take for ever and never work
[14:35] <DJones> penguin42: I'llhave to keep an eye out for something like that
[14:38] <ali1234> the chromecast does DLNA if your phone does DLNA
[14:38] <DJones> I'm looking for something I can plug into the tv that will connect to an Ubuntu server running minidlna
[14:39] <ali1234> and how will you control it?
[14:39] <DJones> Thats why I want something with a remote or android app to control it
[14:39]  * penguin42 tries to remember, I think mine can do BT
[14:40] <ali1234> so chromecast then
[14:40] <penguin42> DJones: Some of them are built in more of a box format with more connectors
[14:41] <DJones> ali1234: Thats what I thought, but as knightwise mentioned, it isn't dlna
[14:41] <ali1234> like i said, it does DLNA if your phone does DLNA
[14:41] <DJones> Must admit, I thought it was
[14:41] <ali1234> that's the whole point
[14:41] <ali1234> if you don't have an android phone it won't do anything at all, it has no user interface
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> always draw up your required feature list and be aware beforehand if you're going to compromise as finding out afterwards can be annoying :-)
[14:42] <DJones> ali1234: So if you have an android phone, you can use that to control it connecting to an ubuntu server running minidlna?
[14:42] <ali1234> yes, using this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bubblesoft.android.bubbleupnp&hl=en_GB
[14:45] <DJones> If I'm rteading that right, that just acts as a "man in the middle" by taking taking the dlna server files and casting to a chromecast?
[14:46] <ali1234> yes, that's how chromecast works
[14:47] <DJones> Thats not what I want, that'd mean a dedicated android device just to sit in the middle of a dlna server and a chromecast, I'm just looking for a single device to connect to a tv to convert it into a smart tv
[14:47] <ali1234> why would you need a dedicated device?
[14:48] <DJones> If I'm using my phone to control it and I'm out, my wife wouldn't be able to use it
[14:48] <ali1234> she could use her phone?
[14:49] <zmoylan-pi> you want something that will speak to a generic ir remote control?
[14:50]  * penguin42 thought some of these things had IR on them, but anyway you can get BT remote controls
[14:50] <DJones> Yeah, but that means you've got 2 android devices configured to connect to a chromecast and a dlna server, what I want is something that will plug into a tv and directly connect to the dlna server with a remote
[14:50] <zmoylan-pi> which would allow you not to have micro computer peeking out for line of sight with ir which might be nice
[14:50] <ali1234> i fail to see why that is a problem, but whatever
[14:51] <DJones> Using an android phone as a remote is fine, but not if thats just acting as a intermediary converting/processing the files
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> i prefer ir and bt just has not lived up to it's promise of /better/
[14:51] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: Thats an option
[14:52] <zmoylan-pi> and using an android phone as remote will not help it's battery life if you're a channel flipper :-)
[14:54] <DJones> I suspect one of the best solutions may be something like a roku box
[14:56] <zmoylan-pi> someone who has already sanded off the rough edges so to speak
[14:57] <DJones> :)
[15:01]  * zmoylan-pi remembers the palmos app that allowed you to draw buttons on screen and copy a tv remote to that virtual button
[17:39] <diddledan> home again after xmas break round the parentals
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> under your house so your rules are now in force... :-)
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> *your roof
[17:40] <diddledan> :-D
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> emptied the piggy bank today when no more coins fitted in.  €38
[17:42] <penguin42> woohoo fortune!
[17:42] <diddledan> ooh
[17:42] <diddledan> whatcha buying us?
[17:42]  * zmoylan-pi passes out the chocolate donuts from tescos...
[17:42] <penguin42> ooh!
[17:42] <diddledan> \o/
[17:42] <diddledan> cake ftw
[19:57]  * popey looks at foobarry-away 
[19:58] <foobarry-away> i'm going offline for 3 weeks
[19:58] <foobarry-away> away from social media and irc
[19:58] <foobarry-away> try to retrain myself
[19:58] <foobarry-away> not to check phone all the time
[19:59] <penguin42> foobarry-away: Enjoy
[19:59]  * zmoylan-pi loans foobarry-away a dumbphone to eliminate temptation :-)
[19:59] <foobarry-away> i'll try
[19:59] <foobarry-away> the first 3 days will be hardes
[19:59] <foobarry-away> i've become a bit conditioned in my habits
[20:00] <foobarry-away> it happens with little kids in the room
[20:00] <foobarry-away> flick the phone out constantly
[20:00] <foobarry-away> ...anyway ..laterz
[20:01] <zmoylan-pi> good luck
[20:01] <foobarry-away> slap me if you see me before then
[20:02] <foobarry-away> it starts tomorrow
[20:02] <popey> we can help
[20:02] <popey> done
[20:02] <shauno> heh
[20:02] <diddledan> :-p
[20:03] <shauno> I was just thinking that actually disconnecting may aid in figuratively disconnecting.  but that's close enough
[20:05] <shauno> Always wondered hwo people could be stupid enough to lose a whole tablet
[20:05] <shauno> today I was stupid enough to find out :(
[20:05] <popey> i lost my ipad
[20:05] <popey> it was next to wifeys side of the bed
[20:05] <popey> never looked there
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> i once found a full height server a customer had paid for and signed for 4 years before... in store room in our building.
[20:06] <popey> blimey
[20:06] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, was it supposed to be operational?
[20:06] <penguin42> hehe
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> i think we had reports of how reliable it was...
[20:07] <penguin42> yeh stuff like that happens
[20:07] <diddledan> should it have been on their site or do you host servers for folk?
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> made that novell server walled up for a few years still running look wimpy :-)
[20:08] <zmoylan-pi> 1) we didn't host 2) it was unplugged in a box 3) bought special as it had space for 12 drives
[20:08] <diddledan> lol
[20:08] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: What was actually running it?
[20:08] <diddledan> I wonder what they signed for then
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> that's the weird part, normally getting a signature was like pulling teeth with these buggers
[20:09] <shauno> I tend to believe that most things would work better burried in a wall, away from wandering fingers
[20:09]  * penguin42 once had a case where we hadn't paid for our net bandwidth in a data centre for ~1 year - the ISP just hadn't sent us a bill, we just hadn't realised
[20:09] <diddledan> shauno, make sure you don't leave ssh open
[20:10]  * penguin42 also had a case where we realised the electric company was only charging us for 1 of the 6 meters that we were running an office of, for many years
[20:15] <diddledan> penguin42, that could end up as a costly mistake. they might try/have tried to charge you when they discover it for all 6 meters in one lump sum
[20:15] <diddledan> (from where they last had a reading)
[20:16] <shauno> heh, mine did that to me.  turned out I was paying upstairs' bill.  when they "fixed" it they just gave me a bill for 2 years
[20:17] <penguin42> diddledan: Right, well, yeh so that was the fun problem; it took us nearly a fear to convince them we had these meters, and some were wrapping every few months, oh and we'd had them installed when we came into the building
[20:17] <diddledan> shauno, ouch
[20:19] <penguin42> we were running probably 200A+ spread across those 6 meters
[20:25] <daftykins> XD
[20:26] <daftykins> nasty.
[20:26] <diddledan> north korea English bingo: The persistent and unilateral action taken by the White House to slap 'sanctions' against the DPRK patently proves that it is still not away from inveterate repugnancy and hostility towards the DPRK.
[20:29] <daftykins> oh my word
[20:29] <diddledan> bluray discs really don't like the slightest hint of fingerprint on them
[20:29] <daftykins> i liked the one the other day about children with running noses or something :D
[20:30] <daftykins> what fiend has been touching the read surface1/
[20:30] <daftykins> *!?
[20:30] <diddledan> me
[20:30] <diddledan> :-p
[20:30] <diddledan> it was so slight that I didn't realise I'd done it
[20:31] <daftykins> i don't think i'd ever lend out my Sopranos bluray set ;)
[20:31] <daftykins> since school time i've found friends are terrible with looking after things
[20:31] <diddledan> certainly not to anyone with kids
[20:31] <daftykins> hehe
[20:32] <diddledan> yeah, I always seemed to keep things better than other kids at school, too
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> or those people who put dvds/cds down on a surface data side down...
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> does this look like a flippin coaster??
[20:33] <diddledan> e.g. computer game boxes and cd-cases - mine were all pristine. lend it to a friend and it comes back in pieces
[20:33] <daftykins> :(
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> and that's why they never get anything loaned to them again
[20:34] <zmoylan-pi> 1 strike and you're out
[20:34] <daftykins> hehehe
[20:36] <zmoylan-pi> i usually only use the disk once, rip to laptop, then lose the case and put the disk in storage boxes to save space as dvd collection was getting a bit silly
[20:37] <zmoylan-pi> though some boxes like the 2001 with cel from film are kept for sentimental value
[20:45] <diddledan> odd. computer just powered down for no reason
[20:46] <diddledan> wonder if that's a windows10 thing or if I've got hardware issues
[20:46] <m0nkey_> heh
[20:46] <m0nkey_> powering off UPS to conserve power
[20:47] <m0nkey_> bbl8tr (hopefully)
[20:47] <m0nkey_> power outage here.. yay for having internet related on UPS :)
[20:47] <diddledan> tata m0nkey_
[20:50] <daftykins> heh
[20:50] <daftykins> i've pondered getting a mains socket strip for my UPS so i can run the router and switch on it too
[21:17] <daftykins> is it anti-social to vacuum at this time of night? 0o
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> yes
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> and chain saw, sand, snowblow, mow and practice klingon battle chants
[21:19] <daftykins> :(
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> a dust pan and brush will suffice till tomorrow when you can use the hoover without annoying your neighbours
[21:20] <diddledan> who cares, do it anyway
[21:20] <daftykins> lawl
[21:21] <daftykins> well, i am in a multi-feet-thick granite house
[21:21]  * daftykins ponders
[21:23] <shauno> I'm blessed with noisy neighbours who don't appear to sleep.  it's oddly convenient
[21:23] <daftykins> hehe
[21:27] <shauno> it seems the guy upstairs still has XP.  he has it hooked up to his TV.  when I get a nice bassy rendition of the shutdown jingle, then it's too late to make noise
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> had a student ask me for recommendation for replacing a laptop yesterday... a win98 laptop
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> it's a bit slow...
[21:29] <shauno> well that makes it easy.  recommendation is .. "yes"
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, but she'll need windows for college work and that's win8.  you hate to do that to people
[21:39] <m0nkey_> switched to tethering. a transformer blew a few streets away.
[21:57] <Myrtti> crikey it's getting late
[22:10] <m0nkey_> two hours without power now :(
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> i reckon i have power for about 24-48 hours of internet on various mobile devices in a pinch
[22:20] <m0nkey_> i've restored to tethering for now. probably got a few hours on my laptop
[22:20] <m0nkey_> UPS is down to 30mins, so shut it off for now until we really need it.
[22:21] <shauno> time to invest in hamsters
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> good eating on hamster, or is it guinea pigs...
[22:46] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: suggest a Dell outlet business model with win7 8D
[22:47] <daftykins> though i can't be sure if even outlet models still have 7 at this point, lets have a look - www.dell.co.uk/outlet
[22:47] <daftykins> m0nkey_: whereabouts are you, to have no juice?
[22:48] <Myrtti> Montreal
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> daftykins: i'll mention it to her
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> ta
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> oxfam in ireland do refurb business machines with win7 but the specs are low
[22:49] <daftykins> no problemo :)
[22:49] <daftykins> wow, how bad?
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> 1gb ram, 60gb hd
[22:49] <Myrtti> I'm totally in love with my XPS 13 from outlet eBay shop
[22:50] <daftykins> £329 for an i3 ivybridge with win7 pro on there :D
[22:50] <daftykins> Myrtti: is this the pre-1080p model?
[22:50] <Myrtti> apparently I'm going to give it to the SO for testing at some point
[22:51] <Myrtti> daftykins: nope, it's 1080p
[22:51] <daftykins> ah, pretty recent then
[22:51] <popey> with touch screen?
[22:51] <Myrtti> yup
[22:51] <popey> nice!
[22:51] <Myrtti> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-XPS-13-ULTRABOOK-9333-3-1ghz-i7-8GB-256SSD-1080p-FHD-Touch-Screen-WIN-8-1-/351243594180?
[22:52] <daftykins> touch just makes me laugh :) so something i'd never be after
[22:52] <Myrtti> yeah I don't really care for touch myself either
[22:52] <Myrtti> but other specs were what I was looking for so I don't mind it
[22:52] <popey> daftykins: i thought that
[22:53] <popey> then I started working on a company making a touch OS
[22:53] <popey> so you know.. I need to
[22:53] <daftykins> i'm kinda disappointed Myrtti, there you were getting by on some relic and i thought you were doing the world a service, only to upgrade :(
[22:53] <shauno> I still support the death penalty for anyone who touches my screen
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> i saw a lenovo with a touch screen where you can flip it over and use the laptop as a tablet so there it might work
[22:53] <daftykins> popey: i'll let you off then ;) still a joke on laptops though i think :D
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> leave finger prints on my screen and i will know who to hunt down :-)
[22:53] <daftykins> shame that ebay page says none available!
[22:53] <Myrtti> daftykins: I do have an old relic upstairs that couldn't keep up with anything I was doing anymore.
[22:54] <popey> bed time!
[22:54] <Myrtti> not that I do much, but LaTeX does require some oomph
[22:54] <popey> o/
[22:54] <daftykins> a funky markup thingy requiring power? oh dear
[22:55] <daftykins> Myrtti: any ideas what your XPS13 there does for battery life?
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> the 21st century where text editors need serious umph :-)
[22:55] <daftykins> concerning times indeed
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> if anyone wants me i'll be scolling some text...
[22:56] <Myrtti> daftykins: I've not had much possibilities to test, I got it for Christmas present...
[22:56] <daftykins> but that was weeks ago! :)
[22:57] <daftykins> my existing machine does 8 hours so i'd like to at least match that really
[23:00] <Myrtti> yeah, I've been a bit busy for a few weeks...
[23:01] <daftykins> why did you take that seriously :(
[23:01] <m0nkey_> power is back on
[23:03] <Myrtti> yay!
[23:03] <m0nkey_> outage was 3 hours
[23:03] <m0nkey_> not fun with young kids, no heat or entertainment.
[23:06] <m0nkey_> awesome... my freenas box BIOS reset to defaults. UPS saved it and shut down gracefully, then the UPS went off as normal. looks like i have a bad CMOS battery
[23:06] <daftykins> :S
[23:06] <daftykins> quick fix at least :D
[23:07] <m0nkey_> box didn't boot up.. trying to boot from the first hard drive, well.. no boot sector..
[23:07] <m0nkey_> thats on the usb
[23:08] <m0nkey_> and she boots again
[23:09] <m0nkey_> damn thing takes forever
[23:10] <m0nkey_> guess thats what i get for getting server hardware :)
[23:11] <daftykins> as in sounds like a tornado? ;)
[23:28] <m0nkey_> daftykins: not really. got a pair of noctua fans in the box
[23:28] <m0nkey_> it's a server motherboard, not a full blown server. that'll be silly.
[23:28] <daftykins> what makes it server though?
[23:28] <daftykins> ah
[23:28] <daftykins> :)
[23:28] <daftykins> sure would
[23:30] <m0nkey_> if you're interested: http://imgur.com/a/Ed2Sg
[23:32] <daftykins> ooh ty
[23:33] <daftykins> what's the sandisk item directly on the board?
[23:34] <m0nkey_> It's a Sandisk Fit USB drive
[23:34] <m0nkey_> It's what FreeNAS runs from
[23:34] <daftykins> ah neat, seems like quite the proprietary port it's in?
[23:36] <m0nkey_> nope
[23:36] <m0nkey_> plain old USB
[23:36] <daftykins> ah, odd to see one directly on the board on the inside