[00:00] <Unit193> Second.
[00:02] <Unit193> Have a test build, I think.
[00:04] <Unit193> THe normal menu when you right click on the desktop, applications menu...
[00:04] <knome> yep
[00:09] <brainwash> so, the xfdesktop solution would require this http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/kiosk_mode
[00:11] <brainwash> what about ubuntu studio and so on? everyone would need to make the same changes, right?
[01:36] <OvenWerks> brainwash: from what I have gleened from the above, Studio would only have to add something to fix the bug. I am not sure being able to access the menu is all bad though...
[01:37] <OvenWerks> I need to set this machine up so I can do dev work on it. The other one is/has lost it's drive.
[01:39] <OvenWerks> However, If you would point to the merge/update you do to correct this on xubuntu, I will do Studio.
[12:17] <ochosi> good day everyone
[12:17] <andrzejr> hi ochosi
[12:17] <ochosi> hey, how's it going?
[12:18] <andrzejr> alright, how is the panel? any new bugs/fixes?
[12:18] <andrzejr> was thinking about releasing it
[12:19] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[12:21] <ochosi> andrzejr: i think it's good. i would've wanted to fix the shading bug, but i was away over the holidays, so i haven't touched anything since you posted the bt
[12:22] <andrzejr> ochosi, I've recently spotted 2 issues, not sure if with xubuntu 14.10 or xfce
[12:23] <andrzejr> 1) Alt-F4 without focused window logs me out of my session
[12:24] <andrzejr> 2) xfce compiled from scratch does not integrate with lightdm, had to install at least xfce4-session and dependencies from the repository. Any downstream patches?
[12:27] <ochosi> not sure but 1) also happens here and i can't really say if it isn't by design
[12:27] <ochosi> since you might have session-saving enabled you might actually want 1) to work as it does
[12:28] <ochosi> and i'm not sure about 2), but it might be related to the prefix you compiled session with
[12:28] <ochosi> haven't tried myself though
[12:28] <Unit193> Only the xflock and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-session/vivid/view/head:/debian/patches/xubuntu_ignore-gdm-lang.patch patches for session.
[12:37] <ochosi> andrzejr: ^
[12:53] <Unit193> ochosi: Also, xfwm doesn't tile funky in vivid, just utopic.
[12:53]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[12:53] <ochosi> you mean corner-tiling doesn't work in vivid?
[12:54] <Unit193> No, when opening windows.
[12:56] <ochosi> what are you referring to exactly? (haven't touched my laptop in about two weeks)
[13:02] <Unit193> elfy: How long do upgrades last on the tracker?
[13:03] <Unit193> Seems they get cleared faster than last cycle.
[13:43] <elfy> Unit193: I thought that they should renew daily - but doesn't appear to 
[14:37] <ochosi> \o/ new panel release
[14:37] <ochosi> thanks for the release andrzejr 
[16:03] <ochosi> bbl
[18:11] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce/+packages?field.name_filter=xfce4-panel full coverage, and for vivid: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/4647131/+listing-archive-extra - https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-panel_4.11.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[19:00] <ochosi> i guess that's for bluesabre ^
[19:45] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Are you packaging any of todays releases or should i?
[19:54] <brainwash> jjfrv8: re brightness issue after logout, can you maybe test a recent version of the intel gpu driver (xorg edgers ppa or similar)?
[19:55] <brainwash> jjfrv8: I'm not sure if you want to mess with your system, but I guess the intel maintainer will ask the same think
[20:21] <Noskcaj> andrzejr, Does thunar's appdata and polkit stuff need any new deps?
[20:23] <andrzejr> Noskcaj, no idea
[20:24] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:50] <ochosi> Noskcaj: at least appdata shouldn't pull in anything new
[21:55] <Noskcaj> It seemed to run fine on xubuntu anyway, and there wasn't anything in the git commit, so i've got a merge up with no dep changes
[21:55] <Noskcaj> Did we want gtk2 or gtk3 for xfce4-taskmanager?
[21:56] <ochosi> i'd stick with gtk2, there are no downsides to that
[21:56] <ochosi> we can switch to gtk3 as soon as taskman is gtk3-only
[21:56] <ochosi> which will happen with the next release
[21:57] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:57] <brainwash> andrzejr: can you review the patch for https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10652 ? not sure about the additional icon tweaks, but the main bug should be fixed at least
[21:59] <brainwash> I think we should try to reduce the ubuntu delta and apply fixes upstream
[22:04] <andrzejr> brainwash, there are some changes to new tab/window in the patch. Are they relevant to this bug?
[22:07] <andrzejr> ditto for "create-folder"
[22:09] <brainwash> andrzejr: no
[22:09] <brainwash> "visual enhancements"
[22:09] <andrzejr> I just noticed the last comment in bugzilla
[22:10] <brainwash> oh :D
[22:12] <andrzejr> "Patch does not have a valid e-mail address."
[22:12] <andrzejr> (after: git am < patch)
[22:25] <brainwash> andrzejr: it's not the mailbox patch format
[22:29] <andrzejr> pushed
[22:31] <andrzejr> any other downstream patches worth applying?
[22:32] <andrzejr> I mentioned earlier today that manually compiled xfce4-session et al does not integrate with lightdm
[22:32] <brainwash> thanks
[22:33] <brainwash> I'm not sure, we got rid of the xfwm4 patches some time ago (now applied upstream)
[22:34] <brainwash> did you install to /usr/local ?
[22:35] <andrzejr> nope, /usr
[22:35] <andrzejr> ./autogen.sh --enable-debug=minimum --enable-maintainer-mode --host=x86_64-linux-gnu --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu --libexecdir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[22:37] <brainwash> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/tree/configure.ac.in#n135
[22:37] <brainwash> did you search for session desktop file?
[22:38] <brainwash> maybe it's not installed properly, so lightdm cannot pick it up
[22:40] <ochosi> it's supposed to be installed in /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop afaik
[22:42] <brainwash> regarding thunar downstream patches: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/thunar/vivid/files/head:/debian/patches/
[22:42] <andrzejr> xsession prefix is /usr, what does the xubuntu version use?
[22:43] <andrzejr> seems like some of these patches are in 1.6.4
[22:44] <ochosi> yup
[22:44] <ochosi> and should be /usr
[22:47] <brainwash> andrzejr: yes, lets wait until 1.6.4 is packaged, then we can look at which patches are remaining
[22:48] <Unit193> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/28/28f7f40a346a59ff11b731f814662fc9cb2baa0cf1e932275f9bb746bc2bde65.jpg
[22:49] <ochosi> :]
[22:55] <andrzejr> re: xfce4-session, there may be something else.
[22:56] <andrzejr> I remember that starting startxfce4 manually (from xterm) was failing, I could start xfce4-session but then I was running into some permission problems
[22:58] <andrzejr> Location of .desktop files looks correct
[22:59] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna take a look why xfpm build failed in the staging ppa?
[23:00] <Unit193> Oh, that was 4 days ago.  Thought you meant a new one.
[23:02] <brainwash> andrzejr: the answer should be hidden somewhere here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-session/vivid/files/head:/debian/
[23:07] <brainwash> just to make sure, are you able to start the Xfce session via lightdm and it fails, or is the menu entry for Xfce still missing?
[23:19] <andrzejr> I can select either xfce or xubuntu session but after starting it I get afair empty screen. I could then start xterm from a console and run xfce4-session (but not startxfce4), which kind of worked except for things like audio permissions etc.
[23:34] <brainwash> andrzejr: sounds strange, startxfce4 is a shell script, so it could be debugged easily I think
[23:37] <brainwash> I'll compile and install xfce4-session tomorrow and report back
[23:38] <brainwash> maybe I encounter the same problem
[23:39] <andrzejr> brainwash, I don't have enough experience with it to spot the problem but will try to debug it again next weekend (unless you find the solution earlier)
[23:40] <andrzejr> fyi, I was comppiling the whole xfce4 stack after uninstalling all xfce packages. The problem went away when I reinstalled xfce4-session + deps.
[23:42] <brainwash> ok, it's not a common task to compile xfce4 from source and install it in ubuntu
[23:43] <brainwash> maybe there is some tweaking needed to make it work
[23:44] <brainwash> compile the whole thing from git I mean
[23:47] <Unit193> Well, you won't get the user session at least...