[00:03] <wgrant> sitter: Some operations may return "JSON values", not just "JSON texts".
[00:03] <wgrant> I don't know of any libraries that don't also parse naked JSON values.
[00:04] <wgrant> (there are also lots of methods that do that -- an object is only returned where an object would be valuable. Literals are used where it makes sense.
[00:04] <wgrant> )
[00:11] <sitter> wgrant: ruby for example will refuse to parse it
[00:13] <wgrant> sitter: quirks_mode=True
[00:15] <wgrant> (or maybe use parse_value directly. I've only lightly scanned the code)
[00:21] <wgrant> Interestingly, ECMA JSON says our use is valid.
[00:21] <wgrant> "A JSON text is a sequence of tokens formed from Unicode code points that conforms to the JSON value
[00:21] <sitter> wgrant: since 2013
[00:21] <wgrant> grammar."
[00:21] <wgrant> Ah, it changed recently?
[00:21] <sitter> yup
[00:22] <wgrant> Because I remember whining about this in like 2007
[00:22] <wgrant> when the API was first deployed
[00:22] <wgrant> The restriction in the spec never made sense to me, but it was there.
[00:22] <sitter> earlier RFCs only allowed actual objects
[00:22] <sitter> wgrant: yeah, it is a bit weird
[00:24] <wgrant> Earlier RFCs allowed objects or arrays
[00:24] <wgrant> But not scalars.
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:45] <Riddell> good morning all
[09:45] <Riddell> bon any nou
[09:45] <Riddell> lang may yer lumbs reek
[09:55] <sitter> お早う
[09:57] <Sick_Rimmit> Happy New Year everyone...
[09:57] <Sick_Rimmit> Ooo FOSDEM is coming, very exciting
[09:59] <Riddell> P2
[09:59] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: yo, how's the bits you were getting printed going?
[10:05] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[10:05] <bukai> Hi Riddell 
[10:06] <Riddell> bukai: how goes the new website? anything to see?
[10:06] <bukai> I have almost completed the site I will link the images to the news now and I used a plugin instead
[10:07] <bukai> It is a slider so it will always be on the right hand side middle
[10:08] <bukai> For the footer I put in twitter and G+ widgets
[10:09] <bukai> Riddell: All that is left now is the seo part , which jose asked me to consult you before moving forward with
[10:13] <bukai> Riddell: I have compressed the size of the slider at the top but I kept the feature tour as it is . If it affects the loading time of the page I will compress it then
[10:14] <Riddell> groovy
[10:14] <bukai> Riddell: Is there any thing else that I must implement?
[10:15] <Riddell> dunno we'd need to have a look and consider it
[10:17] <Riddell> hi kubuntu-devel 
[10:19] <bukai_> Riddell: what do I do about the seo part? Should I add meta tags and connect it to webmaster or just let it be?
[10:37] <Riddell> ..
[10:43] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I will be getting all that together this week, I will update you once I have it organised
[10:44] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: let me know if you need a hand
[10:44] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: remember time is quite short
[10:44] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Thanks, will probably start having a few questions later this week, and will give you a nudge
[10:51] <Riddell> hi joern 
[10:51] <joern> hi everyone, o/ Riddell
[10:55] <Riddell> sitter: have you recovered from new year yet?
[10:57] <sitter> Riddell: pardon?
[11:01] <Riddell> sitter: ahh good morning :)
[11:01] <Riddell> sitter: wondering what do with libnm-qt
[11:01] <sitter> ah, lol, I totally didn't read your question right ^^
[11:01] <sitter> Riddell: what's wrong with it?
[11:02] <Riddell> it's become networkmanager-qt in frameworks
[11:02] <Corodius> g'day everyone o/
[11:02] <sitter> Riddell: how does that make any difference?
[11:02] <Riddell> sitter: shall I just make a new empty git archive in debian and git clone the exiting one into it?
[11:02] <Riddell> hi Corodius 
[11:03] <Riddell> Corodius, joern: going to become elite kubuntu ninjas?
[11:03] <Corodius> I'm certainly looking into it :)
[11:03] <Riddell> you've come to the right place
[11:04] <joern> Riddell: I'm quite busy with my work for Lubuntu
[11:05] <sitter> Riddell: I already did that I think
[11:05] <sitter> or maybe that was some other repo
[11:05] <sitter> I brought it up at least
[11:06] <sitter> I didn't do it
[11:06] <sitter> pft
[11:06] <Riddell> joern: ooh lubuntu, they're the ones who realised we were right all along about what gui toolkit to use no? :)
[11:06] <joern> but it is nice to be in this channel - a bit strange, but even as a Lubuntu contributor, I prefer Kubuntu...
[11:06] <joern> to be honest I am really happy about the switch to Qt
[11:07] <joern> development with QML is awesome good!
[11:07] <joern> I'm not sure what to think about SDDM, but we will see
[11:07] <sitter> Riddell: create new repo on git.debian in frameworks/libnm-qt.. on your machine in the repo do `git remote rename origin oldorigin` to rename your remote then do `git remote add origin debian:frameworks/libnm-qt && git fetch origin` to get your new origin ... then push relevant branches to origin
[11:08] <sitter> ^ that be why I wasn't too fond of the nesting
[11:08] <Riddell> the nesting is daft but that downside of using someone else's infrastructure is we don't get much say
[11:09] <sitter> alternatively you could probably do this serverside somehow, but I have no idea which files would need copying into the new repo to not end up with a broken beast
[11:10]  * Riddell tries
[11:23] <joern> is there a workaround for the download.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml failed error?
[11:24] <joern> I mean in 15.04 Alpha
[11:37] <Riddell> joern: hmm, using k new stuff?
[11:37] <joern> what else? :D
[11:38]  * joern loves really new software
[12:16] <BluesKaj_> Howdy folks
[13:35] <Riddell> yofel: I really want to revert your changes in git-buildpackage-ppa they make it not work
[13:35] <sgclark> morning
[13:35] <Riddell> sgclark!
[13:35] <Riddell> bon any nou!
[14:00] <yofel> Riddell: "not work" in what way? For me and sitter they worked fine and I have no issues with it
[14:02] <yofel> well ok, IIRC there is some error handling missing if build-area doesn't exist, but that's not that big of an issue
[14:16] <Riddell> yofel: I run it and it breaks https://paste.kde.org/pekjwamud
[14:18] <sitter> automation and dev-tools need folding into one repo
[14:18] <sitter> the separation between the two is silly
[14:19] <sitter> subprocess.call(["uscan", "--download-current-version"])
[14:19] <sitter> ^ I actually have to tell it to put the tar into build-area
[14:19] <Riddell> yes
[14:19] <sitter> or so my zsh history says
[14:22] <sitter> ehm
[14:22] <sitter> Riddell: did you revert it?
[14:22] <Riddell> sitter: revert what?
[14:22] <sitter> buildpackage
[14:22] <Riddell> git-buildpackage-ppa yes I may have done that accidently, let me unrevert the revert
[14:23] <Riddell> sitter: back on the new broken version
[14:23] <sitter> Riddell: also... one day you really have to explain to me how exactly you manage to make commits that say they do one thing but really they do everything one could possibly do
[14:24] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kdeplasma-addons.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=2ce8e0cc0992db0b13d65d4786c840c43974e8a6
[14:24] <sitter> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/revision/489
[14:24] <sitter> there's a pattern here
[14:24] <sitter> and I don't like
[14:26] <yofel> well, git handles that better (as long as people don't start using -a)
[14:27] <yofel> also wrt. uscan... the line should be
[14:27] <yofel> subprocess.call(["uscan", "--download-current-version", "--destdir=../build-area"])
[14:27] <Riddell> that kubuntu-automation commit was me failing to specify which file to commit
[14:27] <sitter> see the anonscm thing :P
[14:27] <sitter> yofel: doesn't work actually
[14:28] <yofel> sitter: well, there's an os.mkdir missing to prevent an initial faliure
[14:28] <yofel> it does work if build-area is actually there
[14:28] <sitter> ah no, wut
[14:28] <sitter> yofel: yeah, I did that
[14:28] <sitter> uscan just doesn't do anything ^^
[14:28] <yofel> errr, what?
[14:29] <sitter> reading helps I guess
[14:29] <sitter> uscan warning: In debian/watch no matching hrefs for version 5.6.0 in watch line
[14:29] <sitter>   http://download.kde.org/stable/frameworks/([\d\.]*)/karchive-(.*)\.tar\.xz
[14:29] <yofel> right
[14:29] <sitter> mh
[14:29] <sitter> Riddell: did the version you revert to work actually?
[14:29] <sitter> ah oh, I get it
[14:29] <Riddell> 14:16 < Riddell> yofel: I run it and it breaks https://paste.kde.org/pekjwamud
[14:29] <Riddell> sitter: ↑
[14:30] <sitter> didn't notice the ls
[14:30] <sitter> Riddell: which script puts the tar there?
[14:30] <sitter> it should probably put it into build-area/
[14:30] <yofel> Riddell: well yes, the tars aren't there so nothing is downloaded
[14:30] <sitter> or we make the build package look for a suitable tar in ../
[14:30] <sitter> which might be a bit meh
[14:30] <yofel> http://download.kde.org/stable/frameworks/5.6.0/ -> 404
[14:31] <Riddell> I just put the tar there myself
[14:31] <sitter> ah ah ah
[14:31] <sitter> I get it
[14:31] <sitter> the old script used no-create-orig
[14:31] <sitter> which in turn will bypass orig entirely xD
[14:31] <sitter> Riddell: right, simply put it into build-area and the script should work fine
[14:32] <Riddell> hmm that does seem to make it happier
[14:32] <sitter> yofel: I add an mkdirs
[14:33] <yofel> good, that should help
[14:33] <Riddell> now who knows the mystery of why launchpad doesn't want to rebuild when missing build-depends stop being missing?
[14:33] <Riddell> like kauth now http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.6.0_vivid.html
[14:34] <Riddell> wgrant: who's the soyuz person to ask for that these days?
[14:34] <sitter> Riddell: that's on a timer I think
[14:34] <sitter> it doesn't retry immediately
[14:34] <yofel> finished 23 minutes ago
[14:34] <yofel> can easily take an hour from what I've seen
[14:34] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure it just doesn't retry them
[14:35] <sitter> it did at some point ^^
[14:35] <Riddell> I've had to run the retry script lots, and the same in the real archive
[14:35] <sitter> it just takes quite a while until it does
[14:35] <yofel> check back in an hour
[14:35] <Riddell> where we don't even have a script :(
[14:35] <sitter> also do note that this only affects packages being on actual dep-wait state in launchpad
[14:36] <sitter> if it is not classified as dep-wait it definitely will not retry
[14:36] <yofel> well, kauth is dep-wait
[14:36] <sitter> Riddell: feel free to wire it up to KCI and throw away all the manual scripts :P
[14:40] <Riddell> sitter: I was kindae hoping you'd be doing that
[14:42] <sitter> first we need stable integration
[14:43] <sitter> and before that I need to refactor the tooling and give it some test coverage, otherwise madness will ensue when something needs to change
[14:54] <sitter> brrrr
[15:09] <soee> this will work with KDE http://www.webupd8.org/2013/06/try-new-libreoffice-flat-icon-set.html ?
[15:14] <Riddell> soee: I'm porting breeze icons (with that flat set as the fallback)
[15:18] <soee> ah ok 
[15:21] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[15:21] <soee> hiho
[15:21] <_Groo_> soee: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/peppa/+packages
[15:21] <_Groo_> i backported sddm-kcm to kf5
[15:22] <soee> Riddell: ^
[15:22] <_Groo_> its missing just a few warnings
[15:22] <_Groo_> mostly copyright based,but it works as intended
[15:22] <_Groo_> it would be a good idea adding it to 15.04
[15:22] <_Groo_> very useful to change sddm themes :)
[15:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping
[15:23] <soee> _Groo_: and what we have atm in Vivid isnt kf5 ? kcm_sddm
[15:23] <Riddell> hi _Groo_ 
[15:25] <_Groo_> soee: are you sure, i dont see the package in vivid
[15:25] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi ridell
[15:25] <_Groo_> Riddell: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/peppa/+packages
[15:25] <_Groo_> i backported sddm_kcm to utopic
[15:25] <_Groo_> its trivial to make it for vivid, should do it this week
[15:26] <_Groo_> it has some lintian warnings, mostly copyright, but its fully functional
[15:26] <_Groo_> if you want to give it a spin and you think its a good idea, it should be included in 15.04
[15:27] <_Groo_> at least i couldnt find itin vivid anywhere
[15:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: cricket cricket
[16:27] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[16:38] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[16:38] <Riddell> im stuck in a spanish post office
[16:39] <Riddell> my soul us being eaten
[16:40] <bukai> Riddell: :) All the best. Btw should I start with the seo part?
[16:40] <Riddell> this is what its like in a catholic country thry want you to know what purgatory is like
[16:40] <Riddell> sure
[16:41] <Riddell> but id be happier if i could see the site so far
[16:42] <bukai___> Riddell: http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/ is the site so far. I will put in the images tonight then it will be done almost
[16:45] <bukai___> Riddell: please check the fb plugin, Should I keep it that way?
[16:50] <apk> hi
[16:57] <bukai> Riddell: Any suggestions?
[17:11] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[17:11] <Riddell> I got out of the spanish post office!
[17:12] <Riddell> I must have moved to heaven
[17:12] <Riddell> purgatory is really bad
[17:13] <Riddell> bukai: hmm the repeating picture behind "Kubuntu is an operating system..." looks bad on a full screen
[17:13] <Riddell> what happened to it being a nice large picture?
[17:14] <Riddell> bukai: I think I'd prefer facebook to be at the bottom the same as g+ and twitter, why isn't it?
[17:17] <bukai> Riddell: The widget that i created in the footer was not looking nice
[17:17] <bukai> but there is still a fb button on the geader
[17:19] <bukai> Riddell: I reduced the size as I thought an HD picture wight take time to load , If you want me replace with the HQ one I can do it
[17:21] <Riddell> yeah full size is better
[17:24] <_Groo_> Riddell: have you seen what i said above? about sddm_kcm?
[17:25] <Riddell> oh hi _Groo_ 
[17:26] <Riddell> _Groo_: I'm going to release sddm-kcm with plasma 5.2 beta later this week so your packaging should be good for that
[17:26] <bukai_> Riddell: Apart from that are you satisfied? Or should I work on something else?
[17:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: what do you want me to do? 
[17:27] <Riddell> _Groo_: sit and look pretty until plasma 5.2 needs packaged then package all of plasma :)
[17:27] <_Groo_> Riddell: i can do that
[17:27] <Riddell> _Groo_: or wait until someone else packages plasma 5.2 and uses your packaging and sit back with a warm feeling of your work well used
[17:28] <Riddell> great, I hope you have thursday evening free :)
[17:28] <_Groo_> Riddell: i need to find a copyright file for sddm_kcm, lintian is yelling at me because of that
[17:28] <_Groo_> Riddell: ill prolly will have the afternoon, depends on the gmt
[17:35] <Riddell> _Groo_: ah hah here's the stuff in debian git http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/sddm-kcm.git/
[17:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, just added it, gonna send it to my peppa ppa in a minute
[17:43] <_Groo_> done, building now
[17:48] <bukai_> Riddell: Apart from that are you satisfied? Or should I work on something else?
[17:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: uploaded vivid build too
[17:50] <_Groo_> aparently today dput is sending some files to the spanish post office
[17:50] <_Groo_> they disappear in the lp limbo
[18:44] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: ping
[18:46]  * Riddell out
[22:01] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: pong
[22:01] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: see PM
[22:12] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[22:20] <wgrant> Riddell: Depwaits are retried every hour, but we don't detect when virtual packages become satisfiable.