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| pitti | Good morning, and happy new year! | 06:49 |
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| larsu | happy new year pitti! | 06:50 |
| pitti | hey larsu, wie gehts? | 06:52 |
| larsu | pitti: sehr gut, danke. War die letzten zwei Wochen in Italien :) Und dir? | 06:54 |
| pitti | larsu: mir auch, wir waren 2 Wochen in Dresden | 06:55 |
| larsu | Stollen! | 06:55 |
| didrocks | good morning and happy new year folks! | 07:15 |
| larsu | didrocks! Happy new year! | 07:15 |
| didrocks | hey larsu! how is it going? :) | 07:15 |
| larsu | didrocks: good, except that it's Monday after the break ;) | 07:15 |
| larsu | you? | 07:15 |
| didrocks | larsu: I'm great, thanks! Same feeling :) | 07:17 |
| larsu | hehe | 07:18 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks, bonne année ! | 07:20 |
| didrocks | bonne année à toi aussi pitti ! | 07:21 |
| happyaron | didrocks: how to request removal of a package? | 07:32 |
| happyaron | is this sufficient? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/im-switch/+bug/1407578 | 07:33 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1407578 in im-switch (Ubuntu) "Please remove im-switch from the archive" [Medium,New] | 07:33 |
| didrocks | happyaron: it's perfect! I'm doing the removal then :) | 07:34 |
| happyaron | great | 07:35 |
| didrocks | once I can type my ssh key of course, waow, 5 trials! | 07:35 |
| didrocks | happyaron: and done: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/im-switch/+publishinghistory | 07:37 |
| happyaron | thanks! | 07:37 |
| didrocks | yw ;) | 07:37 |
| mlankhorst | Hello, desktop!\n | 07:54 |
| didrocks | hey mlankhorst! You have EOL issues this year it seems :) | 07:54 |
| mlankhorst | I know the lts stack was rejected, is that what you mean? | 07:55 |
| didrocks | mlankhorst: just a reference to your \n ;) | 07:55 |
| mlankhorst | ah :P | 07:55 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:06 |
| seb128 | happy new year | 08:06 |
| mlankhorst | Happy newyear y'all | 08:06 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128, bonne année ! | 08:07 |
| pitti | hey mlankhorst, happy new year to you too! | 08:08 |
| darkxst | hey seb128, pitti, didrocks, Laney, happy new year | 08:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey, wie gehts? glückliches neues jahr | 08:09 |
| didrocks | happy new year darkxst | 08:09 |
| pitti | seb128: gut, danke! mais un mec français m'a envoyè trop de Schnaps ! :-) | 08:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, ahah, il est bon ? ;-) | 08:14 |
| pitti | seb128: TBH we haven't tried it yet -- we've spent the two weeks in Dresden and didn't take it with us | 08:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, k, no worry ;-) had fun there? | 08:38 |
| pitti | seb128: oh yes, and rather relaxing as we had plenty of time | 08:39 |
| pitti | I only just now picked up a cold, after having evaded it from at least five other people in the past 3 weeks :( | 08:39 |
| willcooke | Morning all | 08:54 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:55 |
| willcooke | Hi seb128 - nice holiday? | 08:55 |
| seb128 | excellent ones, thanks! | 08:56 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke! | 08:57 |
| willcooke | hey hey | 08:57 |
| larsu | hi willcooke! | 08:57 |
| willcooke | yo larsu | 08:57 |
| seb128 | you? | 08:59 |
| mlankhorst | morning | 08:59 |
| mlankhorst | and a happy newyear | 08:59 |
| ochosi | happy new year everyone | 08:59 |
| willcooke | hey mlankhorst ochosi | 08:59 |
| willcooke | seb128, not bad at all - but I still think I could use a couple more days off ;) | 08:59 |
| seb128 | hehe, same here ;-) | 09:00 |
| seb128 | hey ochosi, happy new year | 09:00 |
| willcooke | didrocks, did you see the backlight discussion on ubuntu-devel? | 09:00 |
| ochosi | seb128: good news, on a MR for xdg-utils that we worked on >6months ago (you probably don't even remember): my patch has finally been merged upstream | 09:01 |
| ochosi | https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xdg-utils/support_xfce/+merge/224076 | 09:02 |
| seb128 | I remember it | 09:02 |
| seb128 | great ;-) | 09:02 |
| didrocks | willcooke: read it, didn't dive into it, but I'll give some tests in systemd | 09:03 |
| willcooke | didrocks, nice, thanks | 09:03 |
| didrocks | yw ;) | 09:03 |
| ochosi | seb128: thing is though, the xdg-screensaver script in ubuntu is still a bit garbled and needs a cleanup. there is some duplicate code there (possibly a patch has been merged twice or erroneously) | 09:03 |
| ochosi | seb128: maybe we could just pull in the upstream version? | 09:03 |
| seb128 | ochosi, yeah, we should do that | 09:04 |
| Laney | yo | 09:05 |
| willcooke | morning Laney | 09:06 |
| Laney | funny seeing activity after the previous weeks | 09:06 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, happy new year! | 09:09 |
| seb128 | Laney, you let IRC running during holidays? | 09:09 |
| didrocks | happy new year Laney! | 09:09 |
| happyaron | happy new year! | 09:11 |
| willcooke | hey happyaron | 09:11 |
| happyaron | willcooke: :) | 09:12 |
| Laney | hey willcooke seb128 didrocks happyaron | 09:13 |
| Laney | yeah I always leave IRC on | 09:14 |
| mlankhorst | who doesn't :P | 09:14 |
| Laney | good hols? | 09:14 |
| seb128 | excellent, thanks! you? | 09:15 |
| seb128 | Laney, you should really stop IRC on holidays, make you good to totally cut from usual business for a while ;-) | 09:15 |
| seb128 | Laney, how did the moving go btw? | 09:15 |
| Laney | well I have some personal channels :P | 09:16 |
| Laney | oh yeah, it went pretty well thanks | 09:16 |
| Laney | good to have more space! | 09:16 |
| Laney | can't be bothered to do the remaining painting though ... | 09:17 |
| larsu | happy new year Laney! | 09:23 |
| Laney | hey larsu! | 09:26 |
| Laney | how's it going? | 09:26 |
| Laney | how was italy? | 09:26 |
| larsu | awesome | 09:27 |
| larsu | hiked on capri and along the amalfi coast | 09:27 |
| larsu | very beautiful down there | 09:27 |
| larsu | how were your holidays? | 09:27 |
| Laney | relaxing, thanks! mainly spent time with family hanging out | 09:35 |
| Laney | back here for new years fireworks | 09:36 |
| larsu | nice :) | 09:37 |
| Laney | darkxst: have you noticed that ubuntu-gnome images fail to build btw? | 09:47 |
| darkxst | Laney, yes, that will resolve itself as soon as the 3.14 bits get uploaded | 09:49 |
| Laney | I guess this is because of -desktop -> adwaita-icon-theme -(breaks)-> gnome-themes-standard-data <- gnome-themes-standard <- gnome-shell <- ubuntu-gnome-desktop | 09:50 |
| Laney | or similar | 09:50 |
| Laney | ok | 09:50 |
| darkxst | Laney, yep thats about it | 09:50 |
| willcooke | we need to get "window focus follows where I am looking" in to Mir :) | 10:40 |
| mlankhorst | hm the monthly siren test is late.. | 11:03 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: isn't that called google glass ;) | 11:05 |
| willcooke | davmor2, heh - not quite | 11:06 |
| willcooke | davmor2, I get cross when I'm looking at my browser window but when I type it goes in to, say xchat | 11:06 |
| willcooke | I want the computer to "just know" | 11:07 |
| willcooke | :) | 11:07 |
| willcooke | how hard can it be? | 11:07 |
| didrocks | just enable your webcams, not sure you will like it :p | 11:07 |
| willcooke | :D | 11:09 |
| willcooke | I wonder if something like the camera in the wii mote could work? Reflect IR light off your eyes and determine, to begin with, which monitor you are looking at | 11:10 |
| * willcooke adds it to his list of things to play with | 11:10 | |
| willcooke | oh, on a different topic, is WUBI maintained any more? | 11:10 |
| willcooke | looks like it is | 11:12 |
| didrocks | it doesn't really work with windows 8 AFAIK, so kind of maintained, but not the way forward | 11:14 |
| willcooke | ack | 11:14 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: yes and no, the windows installer bit I think has been stopped however the menu item that tells you about Ubuntu and allows you to reboot I think is maintained by canonical | 11:14 |
| willcooke | I assume that secure boot makes it very hard to install a new OS from inside another one (by design I expect) | 11:15 |
| didrocks | right | 11:15 |
| * didrocks spent a lot of time to install ubuntu on Julie's new laptop due to windows 8 and ubiquity not detecting windows | 11:16 | |
| willcooke | Would I be correct in advising someone to try the live USB stick as a way to try Ubuntu on a w8 machine? (or would that also be disabled?) | 11:16 |
| didrocks | willcooke: live USB stick works, but it's not straightfoward to know if you start in UEFI mode or not (and that can depend on the bios) | 11:18 |
| willcooke | ack | 11:18 |
| willcooke | thx | 11:18 |
| didrocks | willcooke: basically, the rule is "if you have the grub menu for starting the live usb, you are in UEFI mode" (notice that some people tell it's the """ugly""" version) | 11:19 |
| willcooke | :D | 11:19 |
| didrocks | otherwise, you have the nice graphic | 11:19 |
| didrocks | looks unpolished TBH | 11:19 |
| didrocks | and I will keep my other deception due to this new install for our 1o1 :) | 11:19 |
| didrocks | (especially a lot of unity regressions) | 11:20 |
| willcooke | heh | 11:20 |
| didrocks | TBH, we really regressed | 11:20 |
| willcooke | can we do anything about it this cycle? | 11:21 |
| willcooke | (realistically) | 11:21 |
| didrocks | willcooke: depends, we can get some unity 7 regressions fixed maybe, not sure about ubiquity though | 11:22 |
| didrocks | willcooke: but that would need as well backporting to the LTS to be useful, so more work | 11:23 |
| * willcooke starts a new list of "things for 15.10" | 11:23 | |
| willcooke | should probably be a wiki page | 11:23 |
| didrocks | willcooke: I'm just afraid that we keep telling "we'll see once we get unity 8" and the current situation getting worse and worse | 11:23 |
| didrocks | willcooke: or a pad? | 11:23 |
| willcooke | oh, good idea | 11:23 |
| willcooke | do pads last for ever? | 11:24 |
| didrocks | I need to reconfirm some bugs anyway on my own machine first though | 11:24 |
| didrocks | yeah | 11:24 |
| willcooke | do we have a "team site" on there already? | 11:24 |
| didrocks | willcooke: just use http://pad.ubuntu.com/ | 11:24 |
| didrocks | there are some for some topics like the gtk one (see !topic) | 11:25 |
| didrocks | but nothing general AFAIK | 11:25 |
| willcooke | I wonder how I get a nice URL | 11:25 |
| Laney | http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop | 11:25 |
| Laney | old skool content | 11:25 |
| Laney | delete it all :) | 11:26 |
| willcooke | really delete it?? cos I will | 11:26 |
| Laney | maybe up to "Useful links" ... | 11:26 |
| willcooke | it has versioning right? | 11:26 |
| Laney | there's Saved Revisions up top | 11:27 |
| Laney | I guess that works ?!?!?!?! | 11:27 |
| didrocks | oh, yeah, the "for R" one, I thought it had been deleted | 11:27 |
| willcooke | too late :) | 11:27 |
| didrocks | Laney: it worked at least (used it when we got attacked) | 11:27 |
| Laney | regressions probably work as bugs though | 11:28 |
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| Laney | didrocks: feel like demoting vala-0.24 to universe? | 11:37 |
| didrocks | Laney: should I check all rdepends or did you already? | 11:39 |
| Laney | reverse-depends -b src:vala-0.24 looks good to me | 11:40 |
| didrocks | Laney: ok, I'll wait for your vala upload to propagate first and recheck without the valac dep to ensure | 11:41 |
| Laney | sure | 11:42 |
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| * willcooke -> lunch | 12:25 | |
| Chipaca | is there a way to make the buttons in gnome dialogues be at the bottom, where they have always been, instead of at the top of the window, which is not where i expect them to be and seems to me to break the way i read the dialogue? | 12:34 |
| larsu | Chipaca: they should be on the bottom in unity | 12:40 |
| larsu | it's controlled by the Gtk/DialogsUseHeaderbar xsetting, which is set by the desktop environment | 12:42 |
| larsu | didrocks: any idea why dbus service files in .local/share/dbus-1/services aren't picked up by the daemon? | 12:43 |
| * larsu is fixing gnome-termin | 12:43 | |
| larsu | *al | 12:43 |
| didrocks | larsu: no, I didn't dig into why g-t changed as you had more knowledge than I there :) | 12:47 |
| larsu | didrocks: right... I'll ask desrt what he did to make this work for him | 12:48 |
| didrocks | yeah, seems the best lead | 12:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what sort of unity7 regressions did you notice? | 12:50 |
| larsu | according to dbus' docs, it follows xdg spec, so it should work | 12:50 |
| seb128 | I had the impression things slightly improve rather than regress since the LTS, no real feature work happened, it's mostly bugfixing | 12:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: related to masking mounted devices in particular | 12:50 |
| seb128 | masking from the launcher? | 12:51 |
| seb128 | I guess it's a feature I don't use, so I didn't notice | 12:51 |
| seb128 | it was supposed to store the things you don't want in gsettings iirc? | 12:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: also, the other now well-known bug about adding an icon to the launcher via gsettings (which I was forced to do through gsettings only) | 12:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: right, from the launcher | 12:51 |
| seb128 | that's not working anymore? | 12:51 |
| didrocks | yeah | 12:51 |
| didrocks | right | 12:51 |
| seb128 | k | 12:52 |
| didrocks | at least, on Julie's laptop, I need to test here as well | 12:52 |
| seb128 | well, the gsettings adding is a bit unfortunate | 12:52 |
| didrocks | if you have a windows 8 machine, you have something like 4 partitions | 12:52 |
| seb128 | but it's not an "normal user" scenario | 12:52 |
| seb128 | well it becomes when some other program use it, like ubuntu-make | 12:52 |
| didrocks | right, but dragging and dropping the .desktop file didn't work either | 12:53 |
| didrocks | basically, unity always reverted | 12:53 |
| didrocks | ah, I remember now, I wanted to remove the devices:// entry | 12:53 |
| seb128 | from the dash to the launcher? | 12:53 |
| seb128 | wfm | 12:53 |
| didrocks | this doesn't work first because it always ignored on her laptop | 12:53 |
| didrocks | like when ubuntu make adds an entry | 12:53 |
| didrocks | then, I tried to kill it | 12:53 |
| didrocks | change in gsettings | 12:54 |
| didrocks | restart it | 12:54 |
| didrocks | no devices:// but they were still listed | 12:54 |
| didrocks | and finally I tried to blacklist them | 12:54 |
| didrocks | (which is another option) | 12:54 |
| seb128 | did you try to right click and pick the remove option? | 12:54 |
| didrocks | and I checked the UUID twice | 12:54 |
| didrocks | yeah, didn't work on her machine | 12:54 |
| seb128 | :-( | 12:54 |
| didrocks | works here though | 12:54 |
| didrocks | I'm sure they clearly have a race in their settings handling | 12:55 |
| seb128 | did you install her the LTS or utopic or vivid? | 12:55 |
| larsu | didrocks: you can't have a list in gsettings that is race-free | 12:55 |
| didrocks | so yeah, 3 failures in a row, after a complex install, wasn't really a nice way to see our LTS | 12:55 |
| didrocks | LTS | 12:55 |
| larsu | didrocks: but probably this isn't the problem here | 12:55 |
| didrocks | larsu: unsure, maybe it is? | 12:56 |
| larsu | didrocks: did you update the list from two places at the same time? | 12:56 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, to be honest you are doing non-basic changes since you are fiddling with gsettings and non UI commands | 12:56 |
| seb128 | but those should still be working :/ | 12:56 |
| didrocks | larsu: I don't know, it shouldn't update on the unity side | 12:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, "remove from launcher" is an UI command | 12:57 |
| larsu | didrocks: ya, they're probably writing an old value when they shouldn't | 12:57 |
| didrocks | but yeah, even without this, this should still be working, covered by tests as we painfully got with unity7 at first | 12:57 |
| didrocks | larsu: I guess so | 12:57 |
| seb128 | didrocks, with some luck they are all the same bug and Trevinho is eventually going to fix it ;-) | 12:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: I do hope as well, I guess it's andyrock who is assigned to them now though | 13:00 |
| seb128 | wfm as well, as long as somebody fixes it | 13:00 |
| didrocks | same here :) knowing that it's really worked on would be a good start though | 13:01 |
| Trevinho | hey guys | 13:01 |
| didrocks | happy new year Trevinho! | 13:02 |
| Trevinho | Yes, andyrock is going to work on the gsettings stuff | 13:02 |
| Trevinho | You too didrocks | 13:02 |
| Trevinho | ! | 13:02 |
| didrocks | thanks! | 13:02 |
| didrocks | great to hear ;) | 13:02 |
| Trevinho | And everybody else | 13:02 |
| didrocks | as seb128 told, let's hope they all have the same source | 13:02 |
| didrocks | which is likely tbh | 13:02 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey, happy new year! | 13:03 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, did you have good holidays? | 13:03 |
| Trevinho | seb128: Yes thanks... I've been to ski in the alps near to the border between Italy and France.. Not too much snow, but had wonderful time anyway! | 13:04 |
| Trevinho | seb128: what about you? | 13:04 |
| seb128 | great! | 13:04 |
| seb128 | I had good holidays as well, mostly family time, nothing fancy but relaxing ;-) | 13:04 |
| Trevinho | I probably missed that... I really wanted to have time to sit down and hack a little on pet projects, but really I had neither a free minute to stay with my laptop in all these days... And while that's good, thing, I still have not realized that we've been in holidays :-) | 13:08 |
| Trevinho | Anyway... About the didrocks thing related to the devices and Launcher icons, that's something I started to work at it some time ago, and also I've some code ready, but I need to refractor some stuff and other priorities have come up... | 13:11 |
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| Chipaca | larsu: ah, ok. my xsettings are broken then, but it's my fault :) thanks! | 13:23 |
| desrt | happy monday | 13:44 |
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| willcooke | hey desrt | 13:57 |
| desrt | willcooke: hello | 13:57 |
| desrt | good holidays? | 13:57 |
| larsu | desrt: happy Monday! | 14:03 |
| desrt | larsu: thx :D | 14:04 |
| desrt | seems to be a slow one around here.... | 14:04 |
| desrt | or maybe i'm just on the wrong timezone | 14:04 |
| larsu | got something for you: how does the dbus daemon pick up services in .local/share/dbus-1/sevices for you? | 14:04 |
| * pitti waves to desrt, happy new year! | 14:04 | |
| larsu | desrt: you mention this in the bug about your gnome-terminal irssi profile | 14:05 |
| larsu | it should according to its docs, but doesn't work for me | 14:05 |
| desrt | pitti: same :) | 14:06 |
| desrt | pitti: i spent a lot of time working on getting jhbuild-on-ubuntu working again over the holidays | 14:06 |
| desrt | larsu: i vaguely recall some issue about this when i first installed debian | 14:07 |
| desrt | i also recall solving it very rapidly and i don't recall how | 14:07 |
| desrt | probably has to do with the session config file? | 14:07 |
| larsu | desrt: the session config file has <standard_session_servicedirs /> set, which (according to the docs) adds xdg base directories | 14:08 |
| larsu | which include .local/share | 14:08 |
| desrt | odd. | 14:08 |
| larsu | ya | 14:09 |
| desrt | did the directory exist when you logged in? | 14:09 |
| larsu | yes | 14:09 |
| desrt | i'm beat for ideas :) | 14:09 |
| larsu | me too :/ | 14:09 |
| desrt | did the _files_ exist when you logged in? | 14:09 |
| larsu | yes | 14:09 |
| desrt | ...are they valid? :) | 14:09 |
| larsu | good question | 14:09 |
| larsu | where does dbus log? | 14:10 |
| desrt | http://pastebin.com/1aC4GkbT | 14:10 |
| desrt | this is the entirety of my setup | 14:10 |
| larsu | thanks | 14:11 |
| desrt | this is the rest of the entirety: http://pastebin.com/n3qZrQNi ;) | 14:11 |
| larsu | uh oh, I have s/D-BUS/D-Bus - maybe that's the issue | 14:11 |
| larsu | desrt: Thanks. in related news, gdk_set_program_class() is useless | 14:12 |
| larsu | you can't call it before gtk_init() | 14:12 |
| desrt | is that the wmclass-modifying stuff? | 14:12 |
| larsu | and calling it after overrides the passed --class (that gtk_init()) parses | 14:12 |
| larsu | desrt: yes | 14:12 |
| larsu | (sorry about the wrong paren) | 14:12 |
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| ted | Laney, I believe you're on the list of maintainers here, can you look at this? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=772148 | 14:28 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 772148 in bustle "bustle: Split out bustle-pcap into a separate binary package" [Wishlist,Open] | 14:28 |
| seb128 | desrt, ted, hey, happy new year | 14:30 |
| Laney | ted: ok | 14:30 |
| Laney | later though, patch piloting atm | 14:30 |
| desrt | larsu: just use app ids :) | 14:30 |
| desrt | the shell ignores wmclass if _GTK_APPLICATION_ID is set | 14:30 |
| larsu | desrt: unity doesn't | 14:30 |
| desrt | seriously? | 14:31 |
| desrt | patch bamf :) | 14:31 |
| desrt | (seriously) | 14:31 |
| larsu | meh | 14:31 |
| larsu | I know this is the best solution, and I know I shouldn't care | 14:31 |
| desrt | bamf was written to do everything it could to identify/categorise apps | 14:31 |
| larsu | but this is fucked up | 14:31 |
| larsu | WM_CLASS was totally fine | 14:31 |
| desrt | the fact that nobody maintains it means that it ignores a very high quality source of data | 14:31 |
| larsu | and now it's not because of reasons? | 14:31 |
| desrt | ie: if it was written today, _GTK_APPLICATION_ID would be at the top of the list of things it looked at | 14:32 |
| seb128 | desrt, nobody maintains what? bamf? Trevinho does | 14:32 |
| larsu | desrt: also, WHY WHY WHY is gnome-terminal-server exist? | 14:32 |
| larsu | *does | 14:32 |
| desrt | why is that a problem for you? | 14:33 |
| desrt | imho it's the 'correct' way | 14:33 |
| larsu | g_set_prgname("gnome-terminal-server"); gdk_set_program_class("Gnome-terminal"); is just wrong | 14:33 |
| desrt | oh. because of that. | 14:33 |
| desrt | fix bamf. i'm serious. | 14:33 |
| ted | Laney, Cool, thanks! | 14:33 |
| desrt | you'll be making the world a better place | 14:34 |
| larsu | desrt: ya, that's most practical. It's still a messed up situation | 14:34 |
| desrt | larsu: the only thing messed up about the situation is that _GTK_ is in the name of the property | 14:34 |
| larsu | desrt: why does gnome-terminal-server even exist? | 14:35 |
| larsu | also, awesome comments in that code: /* No-op required because GApplication is stupid */ | 14:35 |
| desrt | because this is actually the recommended way of implementing gapplication for apps that are concerned about behaving precisely as if they were not single-instance | 14:35 |
| desrt | larsu: well, that's chpe for you :) | 14:35 |
| larsu | desrt: gnome-terminal _is_ single instance | 14:36 |
| desrt | gnome-terminal has to care about lifecycle of the invoked processes | 14:36 |
| desrt | so its only option is to use a seperate service | 14:36 |
| larsu | those life cycles are bound to a window, aren't they? | 14:36 |
| desrt | yes | 14:36 |
| desrt | the trouble is this: | 14:36 |
| larsu | (well, tab really) | 14:36 |
| desrt | 1) script runs a gnome-terminal instance | 14:36 |
| desrt | 2) from that instance, user opens new window | 14:36 |
| desrt | 3) script stuff finishes, tab closes | 14:37 |
| desrt | 4) ...but gnome-terminal executable still runs | 14:37 |
| desrt | the only way to avoid that problem is by treating every /usr/bin/gnome-terminal as a client bound to a single tab and having the service separate | 14:37 |
| desrt | otherwise you end up with the (from the view of the caller) random chance that the process that you start is 'special' and won't behave as you want it to | 14:38 |
| larsu | hm, so `gnome-terminal` is more like gnome-terminal-launcher? | 14:38 |
| * larsu dislikes, but sees your point | 14:38 | |
| desrt | apps that don't care about this stuff are better off to use the hybrid (--gapplication-service) stuff since it's a lot less fuss | 14:38 |
| desrt | but for apps that need it, the way that gnome-terminal is structured really is necessary | 14:39 |
| desrt | of course, you could put both halves into the same executable | 14:39 |
| desrt | and use IS_LAUNCHER | 14:39 |
| larsu | is gnome-terminal a shell script with a dbus-send in it? | 14:39 |
| desrt | larsu: no. but it could be. | 14:40 |
| larsu | right | 14:40 |
| desrt | larsu: more likely, it would be based on gapplication, though | 14:40 |
| desrt | gapplication(1) that is | 14:40 |
| larsu | ya | 14:40 |
| desrt | http://www.manpagez.com/man/1//gapplication/ | 14:40 |
| desrt | we even give an example of how to write such a shellscript :) | 14:40 |
| larsu | neat | 14:42 |
| desrt | but here's the kicker: gnome-terminal circumvents gapplication | 14:42 |
| desrt | it has its own private launching protocol | 14:42 |
| desrt | it does things that i didn't want to add to normal gapplication | 14:43 |
| desrt | like sending the full set of open fds... | 14:43 |
| desrt | (apparently "xterm -c 'foo >&3' 3> result" is a thing) | 14:43 |
| desrt | so uh.. probably it won't ever be rewritten as a shellscript :) | 14:46 |
| larsu | but ... why? | 14:49 |
| larsu | seems like something that's not really needed tbh | 14:49 |
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| Trevinho | desert, larsu: feel free to open a bug in bamf and assign me, I'll take care of that | 15:09 |
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| desrt | Trevinho: nice! | 15:38 |
| desrt | larsu: did you open that bug? | 15:38 |
| * desrt doesn't find one | 15:39 | |
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| desrt | Trevinho: bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bamf/+bug/1407711 but it seems that LP won't let me assign bugs to you | 15:42 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1407711 in BAMF "match on _GTK_APPLICATION_ID" [Undecided,New] | 15:42 |
| larsu | desrt: no, I was napping :) | 15:45 |
| larsu | already dark here... | 15:45 |
| larsu | thanks for opening it | 15:45 |
| didrocks | Laney: vala 0.24 demoted btw | 15:57 |
| Laney | nice | 15:57 |
| Laney | thanks! | 15:57 |
| didrocks | yw ;) | 15:58 |
| didrocks | phew, got all large tests running and passing again for ubuntu make | 15:58 |
| * didrocks can't wait to have the datacenter back up after a month | 15:58 | |
| Trevinho | desrt: thanks | 15:59 |
| didrocks | desrt: I just did the assignement for you | 16:02 |
| desrt | didrocks: thanks | 16:03 |
| desrt | seems that you have superpowers that i lack :) | 16:03 |
| didrocks | desrt: shhhhhhhhhh I try to keep my super secret identity ;) | 16:03 |
| didrocks | happy new year btw ;) | 16:04 |
| desrt | same to you | 16:04 |
| ochosi | folks, quick question, when is the switch to systemd as default planned? | 16:12 |
| desrt | ochosi: looks like vivid cycle | 16:13 |
| ochosi | thought as much, but no planned ETA within the cycle? | 16:13 |
| didrocks | ochosi: when most of the blockers are fixed | 16:13 |
| desrt | blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1411-systemd-migration | 16:13 |
| didrocks | ochosi: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1411-systemd-migration | 16:13 |
| ochosi | oh good, i wasn't aware of the bp | 16:14 |
| didrocks | ok, desrt beat me to it :p | 16:14 |
| ochosi | thanks a bunch guys! :) | 16:14 |
| didrocks | yw ;) | 16:14 |
| didrocks | ochosi: you can already install it if you want to check in advance | 16:14 |
| didrocks | and open bugs :) | 16:14 |
| ochosi | right, i think i might do that | 16:14 |
| didrocks | you can still have upstart & systemd in parallel (and next grub release will show both) | 16:14 |
| ochosi | was mainly asking cause for xubuntu we thought we might only participate in a2 if systemd is default | 16:15 |
| ochosi | right | 16:15 |
| didrocks | ochosi: yeah, anyway, just give it a try if you have time, and do not hesitate to ask if you have any question | 16:15 |
| desrt | ochosi: could always bring in systemd instead of upstart for the xubuntu images... | 16:15 |
| didrocks | in particular, we are inrested in "systemctl status" after you migrate | 16:15 |
| didrocks | interested* | 16:15 |
| ochosi | desrt: right, but if blockers aren't resolved yet, that might not be ideal | 16:16 |
| ochosi | but the dual-booty thing sounds like a good choice | 16:16 |
| didrocks | oh, that makes me think… | 16:16 |
| didrocks | ochosi: do you know where the xubuntu plymouth theme is? | 16:16 |
| seb128 | desrt, I guess the mir team pinged you about https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720186 ? seems like they hit mir issues due to that one since they switched the mainloop to use the glib one | 16:16 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 720186 in mainloop "g_main_context_unref() versus g_source_unref() race" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 16:16 |
| didrocks | I don't remember seeing it in the plymouth package | 16:16 |
| desrt | seb128: oh ya... i saw that one fly by while i was on holiday | 16:17 |
| ochosi | didrocks: it's in xubuntu-artwork, why? | 16:17 |
| didrocks | ochosi: because I may change some things for systemd vs fsck vs plymouth | 16:17 |
| desrt | seb128: trying to fix a crash in file monitors, then i will look at this | 16:17 |
| seb128 | desrt, thanks | 16:17 |
| desrt | my 'stuff to do before getting back to kdbus' list gets longer :) | 16:17 |
| ochosi | didrocks: ah, cool | 16:18 |
| didrocks | ochosi: keeping backward upstart/mountall capability but still need some changes, so I'll give it a look as well | 16:18 |
| ochosi | didrocks: to be exact: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/vivid/files/head:/lib/plymouth/themes/ | 16:18 |
| ochosi | thanks in advance for that! | 16:19 |
| didrocks | ochosi: yw! seems that you have an older version of the fsck support btw (still the progress bar), I'll have a look at how to keep that for you | 16:20 |
| ochosi | didrocks: what's the new version? i wasnt really aware of any changes there tbh | 16:20 |
| ochosi | but i also have to say i sorta neglected plymouth because i personally never see it with SSD boot | 16:21 |
| ochosi | (shame on me) | 16:21 |
| didrocks | ochosi: we have in ubuntu "checking disk X on Y (…% Complete)" | 16:21 |
| didrocks | ochosi: no more spinner, progress bar or anything | 16:21 |
| didrocks | even if half of the code is still referencing it, it's not used anymore | 16:21 |
| ochosi | any reason for that? | 16:21 |
| ochosi | i mean concrete reason | 16:21 |
| didrocks | ochosi: I guess design? depends on if you feel it being concrete or not :) | 16:22 |
| ochosi | heh ok | 16:22 |
| ochosi | well could've been that it caused breakage for some users | 16:22 |
| didrocks | yeah, I don't think so | 16:22 |
| ochosi | k haven't heard anything like that either | 16:22 |
| didrocks | ochosi: the thing is that you can have the bar getting back in past | 16:23 |
| ochosi | right | 16:23 |
| didrocks | so it can be puzzling I guess | 16:23 |
| didrocks | but I'll keep what you have today if you are happy with it, just use the new logic | 16:23 |
| ochosi | as long as users don't complain, i won't touch plymouth too much ;) | 16:23 |
| didrocks | right ;) | 16:23 |
| didrocks | and have my fake fsck script to tests | 16:23 |
| didrocks | as same here, SSD FTW :) | 16:24 |
| ochosi | :) | 16:24 |
| Laney | seb128: can you remember if we had a reason not to merge cairo? | 16:29 |
| Laney | bug #1356632 | 16:29 |
| ubot5 | bug 1356632 in Linux Mint "GNOME Do should be rebuilt against DBus# 2.0" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1356632 | 16:29 |
| Laney | erm | 16:29 |
| Laney | bug #1353362 | 16:29 |
| ubot5 | bug 1353362 in cairo (Ubuntu) "cairo needs merge from debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353362 | 16:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, no, I think we should merge it | 16:31 |
| Laney | k cool | 16:32 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti, just as a fyi, the console-setup change fixes the "incorrect keyboard layout on vt" issue on test config ;-) | 16:33 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, bug 1400393? thanks for confirming! | 16:34 |
| ubot5 | bug 1400393 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "wrong keyboard layout" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1400393 | 16:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, indeed, yw! | 16:34 |
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| didrocks | nice! | 16:38 |
| larsu | Trevinho: I can help out with that bamf patch if you like (and point me in the right direction) | 16:47 |
| larsu | Trevinho: looks to me like bamf doesn't really group windows, but rather tries to find a desktop file for each?! | 16:47 |
| larsu | I wonder how we could get that if we only have the application id | 16:48 |
| larsu | I think gnome-terminal for example doesn't have app id == desktop file name yet | 16:48 |
| willcooke | thoughts on cancelling tomorrows weekly meeting? If everyone is going to say "I was on holiday" should we skip? Personally, I dont mind either way, if we have stuff to talk about we should do it. But I suspect not, so we could save some time | 17:09 |
| Trevinho | larsu: mhmh.. Well you can group the windows based on the desktop id, while the desktop can be computed using the classic way | 17:10 |
| didrocks | willcooke: makes sense | 17:11 |
| Trevinho | Probably there is some euristic to do... I need to check it better. But the matching code is quite complex | 17:12 |
| larsu | Trevinho: ya, and it doesn't look like it's doing any grouping yet... | 17:13 |
| larsu | Trevinho: and really, that's not what we need - we need to get from app id to desktop id, which is impossible unless they're the same | 17:13 |
| Trevinho | Mhmhm... Right | 17:14 |
| seb128 | willcooke, could be useful to do a post holidays roundtable anyway? if nobody has update it's just going to take 10 min and everyone can go back to business? | 17:16 |
| larsu | Trevinho: I'll just add the case where they're equal - that should be enough for now | 17:16 |
| didrocks | pitti: I'm reading https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=758902#56 and it seems that for newer system, since wheezy, we don't enable fsck on newer formatted partitions? | 17:24 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 758902 in systemd "systemd: Please make ^C interrupt systemd-fsck" [Wishlist,Open] | 17:24 |
| didrocks | "File systems created with mk2fs on fresh Wheezy and Jessie installs have | 17:24 |
| didrocks | mount-count and time based file checking disabled. | 17:24 |
| desrt | willcooke: at least half of the purpose of the meeting for me is reporting what i'll be working on during the next week and seeing the same from others, having discussions, etc. | 17:42 |
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| willcooke | sounds like tomorrow is go then, thx | 18:26 |
| * willcooke -> EOD | 18:34 | |
| willcooke | ta ta | 18:34 |
| Noskcaj | Could someone please review https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/libgweather/3.14/+merge/245275 ? | 19:12 |
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