[09:13] <Mirv> mardy: sorry, my vacation bug filing was poor. I updated the bug with link to the build logs. it was using the latest shotwell, so my (unwritten) assumption was that something has changed since the last shotwell upload in early November that now causes a rebuild to fail.
[09:44] <gcollura> bzoltan_, ping
[09:44] <bzoltan_> gcollura:  hello, shoot ... what can I do for you?
[09:46] <gcollura> bzoltan_, hello o/ about the MP on ubuntu-ui-toolkit, can I just resubmit the proposal with my branch, or should I create a new branch with the changes (since it's based on trunk and not staging)?
[09:50] <bzoltan_> gcollura:  this time the staging is very fresh so, the delta is almost zero.. I would just retarget the MR
[09:50] <gcollura> bzoltan_, ok thank you :)
[09:51] <gcollura> bzoltan_, done https://code.launchpad.net/~gcollura/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-1341814-and-1400297/+merge/245552
[09:52] <bzoltan_> gcollura: cool, let's see what Jenkins says about it and then I will take care of the rest :)
[09:53] <gcollura> bzoltan_, ok thanks again :)
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, happy new year, and happy Bird Day! :-D
[12:59] <mandel> alecu, mardy yes, I can create a qml plugin for uploads, we just need to add the bug, adding to the backlog and will be done
[13:04] <mardy> mandel: cool! Do you want me to file a bug?
[13:06] <mandel> mardy, please do and I'll try to add it to the next sprint of my team
[13:23] <mardy> mandel: done, bug 1407672
[13:23] <mandel> mardy, great, in time for a new sprint! I'll do my best
[14:28] <sander^work> Where is the list of whats phones are supported?
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> !devices
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> sander^work: wich device do you have mate?
[14:28] <sander^work> Samsung s5
[14:29] <ogra_> jhodapp, yo ... i have a TV sat receiver that provides IP streaming to the LAN ... by offering one .m3u8 stream per station (seemingly an apple streaming format), is there a way to make that work on mediaplayer-app/media-hub ? (works fine on desktop with vlc and mplayer) ?
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> sander^work: most capable devices are the nexus ones
[14:30] <sander^work> lotuspsychje, I see the google spreadsheet with nexus status.. what dos WIP means?
[14:30] <sander^work> does*
[14:30] <josepht> Work In Progress
[14:33] <jhodapp> ogra_, in theory yes, I believe there's HTTP Live Streaming plugins for gstreamer now. I wrote player support for that at my last job for GStreamer, but wasn't allowed to upstream it
[14:34] <ogra_> well, i get a black screen when i hand over such a url to mediaplayer-app ... and dont see any errors in any logs
[14:34] <jgdx> mpt, hey, hny! How's progress in bug 1379850 ? Need anything?
[14:34] <jhodapp> ogra_, yeah you won't get any errors in the logs
[14:34] <jhodapp> ogra_, I wouldn't expect it to work out of the box
[14:34] <ogra_> hmm, k
[14:35] <jhodapp> ogra_, can you file a bug?
[14:35] <ogra_> i wonder if i could put mplayer into my click and use -vo sdl :)
[14:35] <jhodapp> ogra_, I'll make it a wishlist priority
[14:35] <ogra_> cool, thanks ...
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> vlc for touch would be nice
[14:35] <jhodapp> ogra_, are you joining our meeting btw?
[14:35] <ogra_> jhodapp, next week perhaps :P
[14:36] <jhodapp> ogra_, oh are you still on vacation?
[14:36]  * ogra_ is on vacation til the 11th
[14:36] <jhodapp> oh nice, well enjoy then! :)
[14:36] <ogra_> yup
[14:38] <ogra_> jhodapp, bug 1407693
[14:38] <jhodapp> thanks ogra_
[14:39] <davmor2> ogra_: happy new year
[14:39] <ogra_> davmor2, same to you !
[14:39] <ogra_> (and everyone else in here indeed)
[14:40] <jgdx> Elleo, hi, cutespotify stops playing after screen is locked. Known bug? (vivid@r58)
[14:41] <jgdx> this is unlike the music player app
[14:41] <ogra_> jgdx, known limitation for apps not using media-hub
[14:41] <Elleo> jgdx: yeah, unfortunately due to the way libspotify works it isn't possible to hand music over to the media-hub to play in the background
[14:42] <jgdx> ogra_, Elleo, thanks.
[14:42] <rickspencer3> I'm trying to reflash my nexus 7
[14:43] <rickspencer3> it says ... "Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[14:43] <rickspencer3> " but I it looks clear that the device is in the bootloader :/
[14:43] <davmor2> rickspencer3: how did you get to bootloader?
[14:44] <rickspencer3> davmor2, I held volume down and power until the bootloader screen appeared
[14:45] <jgdx> Elleo, any known workarounds? Spotify accounts for 50% of my smartphone usage. :) And thanks for the app btw, rocks
[14:45] <davmor2> rickspencer3: was it connected to the usb lead before or after the power switch and vol down hold?  I found that sometimes it didn't register correctly if I connected it after I was in bootloader
[14:46] <rickspencer3> davmor2, yeah, I tried it both ways
[14:47] <Elleo> jgdx: you can switch suspend off in the power settings; I'm thinking of maybe making a sort of fake lockscreen that prevents you accidentally pressing buttons, that way you can still have it in a pocket or something with the device powered on
[14:47] <rickspencer3> this command should work, right?
[14:47] <rickspencer3> ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap --channel=devel-proposed
[14:47] <rickspencer3> lool, ^
[14:47] <Elleo> jgdx: its far from ideal though
[14:47] <ogra_> rickspencer3, try appending "--device flo"
[14:48] <rickspencer3> ogra_, that did it :)
[14:48] <lool> rickspencer3: you want touch
[14:48] <lool> ubuntu-device-flash touch --device flo --channel=devel-proposed
[14:48] <ogra_> i think u-d-f assumes touch if you dont add it
[14:48] <lool> could be
[14:48] <rickspencer3> lool, ogra_ yeah, the cli said it assumed touch
[14:48] <rickspencer3> for now
[14:48] <rickspencer3> it's deprecated, so lool is right, should probably document "touch" from now on
[14:49] <jgdx> Elleo, fake lockscreen would work.
[14:49] <lool> device detection only works when adb is up on the device side; when booted to bootloader, we dont detect the device name
[14:49] <rickspencer3> gotcha
[14:49] <ogra_> we do, but not on all devices
[14:49] <rickspencer3> that makes sense
[14:49] <rickspencer3> abd wasn't working anyway
[14:49] <rickspencer3> that's one of the reasons I am reflashing :)
[14:50] <Elleo> jgdx: yeah, I'll add it next time I have a bit of free time to do some non-work dev :)
[14:56] <sergiusens_> lool: rickspencer3 device should be detected from the bootloader; just not from recovery
[14:57] <rickspencer3> sergiusens_, oh, it was def. on bootloader and not recovery :/
[14:57] <rickspencer3> like I say, I couldn't make adb work on it anyway, so I am reflashing with --bootstrap
[14:58] <sergiusens_> rickspencer3: ah, but the bootloader is supposed to be used with fastboot, not adb
[14:58] <rickspencer3> sergiusens_, sorry, I wasn't clear
[14:58] <sander^work> Is it possible to vnc from ubuntu phone to an android phone?
[14:59] <rickspencer3> adb was not working when I had Ubuntu running
[15:00] <sergiusens_> rickspencer3: ah, interesting; I wonder if the udev rules aren't working correctly (or the session isn't 'seat')
[15:00] <sergiusens_> s/isn't/wasn't/
[15:02] <sander^work> josepht, ?
[15:03] <josepht> sander^work: under development, not yet finished, etc.
[15:03] <sander^work> But I assume that's possible on the android side?
[15:34] <rickspencer3> sergiusens_, so, my flashing seems to be stuck on /home/rick/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/device-b05d38dce25d9caa1075a2d56abceaf532987d2ef0756a2c2a7438bf828d2f17.tar.xz
[15:35] <rickspencer3> should it take 30+ minutes for that step?
[15:46] <jgdx> Elleo, btw, could you do a USS code review? https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/about-bad-mac-fix-1399723/+merge/243996
[15:49] <Elleo> jgdx: I'm probably not the best person for that, since I've never touched system settings before; if you're desperate for someone I will though :)
[15:51] <jgdx> Elleo, in Ken's absence, I am desperate. Also, my evil plan requires you to gain experience with USS so that you can do future reviews :p
[15:51] <Elleo> heh
[15:52] <Elleo> okay, I'll take a look as soon as I've finished sorting this keyboard bug :)
[15:52] <jgdx> Elleo, supr! :D
[15:55] <sander^work> Where can I see a list of apps?
[15:58] <popey> aquarius: you were talking of an app store someone has made, on G+, got a url?
[15:58] <popey> (well, web frontend)
[16:00] <Elleo> popey: probably this? http://appstore.bhdouglass.com/#/apps
[16:00] <popey> ooh!
[16:00] <popey> not seen that, yes, that's it
[16:01] <Elleo> I think it must only update infrequently since podbird isn't listed there at the moment, but cachemere is
[16:05] <aquarius> popey, that's the one, that Elleo linked to
[16:05] <aquarius> it's really quite good, I think
[16:05] <aquarius> Elleo, you might wanna poke bhdouglass about that, then
[16:05] <sergiusens_> rickspencer3: it shouldn't, no
[16:06] <rickspencer3> hmmmm
[16:06] <rickspencer3> sergiusens_, I used this command when the device was in bootloader mode:
[16:06] <rickspencer3> ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap --channel=devel-proposed --device flo
[16:09] <popey> aquarius: agreed
[16:10] <sergiusens_> rickspencer3: can you 'adb shell cat /tmp/recovery.log|pastebinit'
[16:11] <aquarius> popey, I am hoping that beuno/ralsina's team release the push notification/client part of their stuff without blocking on having the web front end done, so that third-party app stores such as that can use it
[16:12] <rickspencer3> sergiusens_, error: device not found
[16:12] <rickspencer3>  :(
[16:13] <sergiusens_> rickspencer3: hmm, maybe your usb is busted; can you adb kill-server
[16:13] <sergiusens_> if that doesn't work, a reboot should do it (to restart the usb chipset)
[16:14] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[16:14] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, you think I should try a different cable?
[16:15] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: the usb chipset on your host might need rebooting; adb kill-server should be my first try as fastboot seemed to work fine
[16:29] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, yeah, so adb shell just won't see this tablet, at least not from this laptop
[16:29] <rickspencer3> I'll try tomorrow from a different laptop
[16:31] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: is it an old ubunutu? adb kill-server && sudo adb devices
[16:32] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, the host is 14.10
[16:32] <rickspencer3> yeah, it's just not there
[16:36] <lool> rickspencer3: some flaky USB cables sometimes cause this, perhaps try another one?
[16:36] <rickspencer3> thanks lool, I've tried all I have hear
[16:36] <rickspencer3> thanks lool, I've tried all I have here
[16:36] <rickspencer3> I'll try a different one tomorrow
[16:36] <rickspencer3> at least adb shell works on my phone :)
[16:58] <Elleo> jgdx: I'm guessing those couple of failing tests on that MR are a known flakyness? (can't see how they could be related to your changes)
[16:59] <jgdx> Elleo, correct
[16:59] <Elleo> jgdx: okay, in that case will approve now :)
[16:59] <jgdx> Elleo, thank you:)
[16:59] <Elleo> you're welcome
[17:09] <om26er> salem_, Hi!
[17:14] <jgdx> seb128, could you top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/about-bad-mac-fix-1399723/+merge/243996 ?
[17:15] <seb128> jgdx, hey, happy new year! (done)
[17:15] <jgdx> seb128, happy new year :) Thanks!
[17:29] <salem_> om26er, hello
[17:30] <jgdx> Wellark, ping
[17:30] <om26er> salem_, I saw multiple crashes during the holidays, one of them is related to the telephony-service, can you see if the logs here are useful https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/3c447394-8d36-11e4-9a32-fa163e22e467
[17:31] <salem_> om26er, "Sorry, you are not a member of a group that is allowed to see the data from error reports. Please fill out this form to request access."
[17:32] <om26er> salem_, perhaps login with SSO
[17:33] <aquarius> I don't seem to be able to edit bookmarks in the browser app. Is that because it's not implemented yet, or because I can't work out how to do it? (is this an alexabreu question? osomon?)
[17:33] <salem_> om26er, I am already logged in
[17:34] <daker> aquarius: what do you mean by edit ?
[17:34] <aquarius> daker, change the URL or name of a bookmark. Specifically, so I can use a bookmarklet, although I think that's been carefully made impossible because bookmarks only show up on the new tab screen :(
[17:34] <lool> mandel: hey, around?
[17:35] <mandel> lool, happy new year!
[17:35] <lool> mandel: happy new year to you too!
[17:35] <mandel> lool, bonne anne or something like that?
[17:35] <lool> mandel: I have this issue seemingly with download manager that I thought you could help me debug
[17:35] <mandel> lool, and yes, I'm around
[17:35] <mandel> lool, sure, shoot
[17:35] <lool> mandel: browser works, but when I search for apps in store, or when I search for updates, it times out
[17:36] <lool> I've just reflashed without bootstraping to get rid of any local files that could get in the way
[17:36] <lool> the logs under /home/phablet/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager are all super old
[17:36] <mandel> lool, hmm is that downloading the apps or browsing?
[17:36] <lool> mandel: just searching
[17:36] <mandel> lool, I mean, the download is started and then we do timeout, correct?
[17:36] <lool> no
[17:37] <daker> aquarius: i think it's not implemented yet, it's in the spec https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Qrd4Flfs3EH-fI79IfrYgLdAx2nce-L7ve8NKLCX324/edit#slide=id.g2a8e607ab_067
[17:37] <mandel> lool, if it is just search, as in browsing in the scope you will have to ping alecu
[17:37] <lool> mandel: it affects system-image too though
[17:37] <aquarius> daker, ah, but I can't open a bookmark in the tab I'm currently in, with that design, which means: no bookmarklets :(
[17:37] <mandel> lool, hmmm wait, system updates are not download, or checking of the update times out?
[17:38] <lool> mandel: checking the updates times out
[17:38] <daker> aquarius: true, maybe file a bug about this ?
[17:38] <mandel> lool, hmmm ok, is out udm for sure, I wonder, can you get the system-image logs, maybe the issue is that the server really is taking to long
[17:39] <lool> another phoen works fine on another channel
[17:39] <mandel> lool, then it might be an issue with the channel, right?
[17:39] <lool> [systemimage] Jan 05 18:37:45 2015 (2394) [0xb612f390] Requesting group download
[17:39] <lool> [systemimage] Jan 05 18:37:45 2015 (2394) Already up-to-date
[17:39] <lool> (skipping some lines)
[17:41] <mandel> lool, weird, so it is requesting the download, and then it states that is up-to date... barry any ideas?
[17:41] <lool> mandel: I guess it is working frmo the d-m side, I just dont know why the UI is stuck updating
[17:42] <lool> mandel: and since I was getting similar timeouts with app search, I suspected some common component
[17:42] <lool> maybe I'm just unlucky and two things are broken
[17:42] <mandel> lool, oh, I know the issue :)
[17:42] <mandel> lool, the online accounts are misbehaving and the UI or the scope do not deal with it correctly
[17:43] <mandel> lool, I recommend you to remove the u1 credentials and readd them and try again
[17:43] <lool> so that's a likely explanation indeed
[17:43] <mandel> lool, if the online accounts goes nuts the ui ignores the fact and gets in that ugly loop
[17:43] <lool> mandel: do you know if it breaks system update?
[17:44] <mandel> lool, no, it does not, but the UI is very stupid and gets stuck there do to a query to the click store to check for updates of your apps
[17:44] <mandel> lool, so, system updates is happy but since the click parts is not, you get that state
[17:44] <lool> ok, as long as it's not breaking system updates I'm not too worried
[17:44] <mandel> lool, no, system updates are not using online accounts at all
[17:44] <aquarius> daker, https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1407746 filed
[17:44] <mandel> mardy, what was the bug number for what lool is experiencing? (we did talk about this just before the holidays)
[17:45] <mandel> alecu, you also know about this ^, right?
[17:45] <aquarius> my hopes are not high. I've been banging on about bookmarklets being useful to do things like add the Readability service to the Ubuntu browser for two years :(
[17:46] <lool> mandel: yeah, updates dont time out anymore; one down
[17:46] <lool> search doesn't work tough
[17:46] <lool> but I might have to restart to kill the scope or something
[17:46] <mandel> lool, probably
[17:46] <alecu> lool: please try "restart scope-registry"
[17:46] <lool> alecu: sorry have rebooted already
[17:47] <alecu> no problem, it's the same effect
[17:47] <lool> alecu: is this something recurring, or a one off that we have shaken already?
[17:48] <alecu> mandel: I don't recall discussing this before the shutdown... Let's ask dobey too.
[17:49] <mandel> alecu, I talked about this with mardy, sorry if it sounded otherwise
[17:49] <mandel> alecu, someone told me that udm was broken and the issue was this
[17:49] <alecu> mandel: did you find out what kind of error online accounts is returning in this case?
[17:49] <alecu> or is it just crashing?
[17:50] <mandel> alecu, lt me grep my logs, mardy did give me a bug report (will take a few mins)
[17:51] <dobey> que?
[17:51] <alecu> lool: I don't recall experiencing this before... mandel's workaround (deleting the account and recreating it) should never be needed; some bit of our code should be handling this problem instead.
[17:52] <alecu> dobey: 14:42 <mandel> the online accounts are misbehaving and the UI or the scope do not deal with it correctly
[17:52] <dobey> it depends on what the problem is
[17:52] <lool> alecu: agreed
[17:52] <dobey> misbehaving how?
[17:53] <lool> dobey: so I was seeing time outs when searching for apps in the store and when searching for software updates; this was the end-user symptom; I didn't find any clue in the lgos I've checked -- but perhaps these werent the right ones -- and removed and recreated the account, which fixed the issue
[17:54] <dobey> well timeouts != invalid credentials
[17:54] <mandel> alecu, dobey, lool I was pointed to this bug => https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1376445
[17:54] <dobey> just browsing/searching in the store doesn't use the account
[17:55] <dobey> the account is used to query what apps you've purchased.
[17:55] <mandel> dobey, that is why the updates query gets stuck, the browsing is something I have no idea :-/
[17:56] <alecu> dobey: but we show that when browsing/searching
[17:56] <dobey> mandel: well, that bug was fixed
[17:56] <alecu> dobey: we show if the app was purchased when browsing
[17:56] <dobey> alecu: but it failing doesn't prevent the search from working
[17:57] <dobey> if you have invalid credentials, then already purchased apps will simply appear as not having been purchased
[17:57] <dobey> if a timeout is happening, then there is a network problem, not an authentication problem
[17:57] <mandel> lool, I leave you with dobey and alecu they know waaaaay more about the (possible) issue, at least you can do the updates :)
[17:58] <lool> so just to be clear, I haven't touched my U1 credentials in any way and removing / readding the account fixed this, so clearly something was wrong with their storage or with the token on the server side
[17:58] <lool> mandel: thanks for pointing me
[17:58] <alecu> dobey: the timeout might have to do with the online accounts library crashing because the storage of the credentials is messed up
[17:59] <dobey> lool: well, unfortunately it's hard to say what was wrong exactly. can you e-mail me your ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log perhaps and i can see if there's something in it?
[17:59] <lool> that's possible; the only crashes in /var/crash was mtp which is unrelated
[17:59] <dobey> alecu: shouldn't. if it crashes, dbus should send the noresponse signal and we'd act like there were no credentials
[18:00] <dobey> alecu: i'd rather not speculate on what happened, when we have no idea what happened :)
[18:03] <lool> dobey: sent
[18:03] <lool> dobey: let me know if you need more of them
[18:03] <dobey> ok
[18:18] <dobey> 2015-01-05 18:34:27,780 - CRITICAL - Error: "Client has insuficient permissions to access the service.Method:getAuthSessionObjectPath"
[18:19] <dobey> mardy: ^^ do you know why that sometimes happens?
[18:20] <dobey> it seems signond sometimes gets incorrect permissions or something?
[18:24] <dobey> i guess mardy alreayd left though
[18:24] <mardy> dobey: I'm EOD already, yes -- but if you have a syslog handy I could have a look at it
[18:24] <mardy> dobey: with debugging turned on in /etc/signond.conf
[18:25] <dobey> mardy: oh, this is from lool's phone
[18:26] <dobey> mardy: and it seems that simply deleting the u1 account and then adding it back, makes the problem go away, when this happens :-/
[18:27] <dobey> mardy: i don't know if the syslog without debug info is useful, but he might still have it. maybe you can discuss with him in your morning tomorrow to see if any additional info can be had, since you're both in europe?
[19:53] <AkivaAvraham> Which phones from bq and meizu have been announced/released officially with ubuntu
[19:55] <Z3> Hi, I read first ubuntu phone from BQ appears next month. I would like to know if it will support "docking mode" (plugin to a tv, keyboard and mouse to have a regular pc)
[19:57] <AkivaAvraham> Z3, I don't think so. I have not seen any demos of this quite yet.
[19:57]  * AkivaAvraham could be wrong
[19:58] <AkivaAvraham> nik90_, happy new year btw
[19:58] <AkivaAvraham> erm
[19:58] <AkivaAvraham> ignore that
[19:58] <Z3> AkivaAvraham Happy new year :-) I understand, I hope this feature appears soon. Yhank you ! :)
[19:58] <AkivaAvraham> z3 are you a developer?
[19:59] <Z3> yes
[19:59] <AkivaAvraham> Z3, Interested in developing apps for ubuntu Touch? These initial phones are largely targetted towards folks like you.
[20:00] <AkivaAvraham> Z3, also come hang out at #ubuntu-app-devel - You'd likely receive a better answer there.
[20:01] <Z3> AkivaAvraham I understand, thank you ! :)
[20:03] <dobey> full convergence is not yet implemented/supported, no
[20:23] <nhaines> dobey: is convergence ready now?
[20:26] <dobey> nhaines: arewconvergedyet.com
[20:27] <nhaines> dobey: how 'bout now?
[20:27]  * nhaines hopes it gets shoved into 16.04.
[20:28] <nhaines> I need to figure out bluez some times get get that working on the N5.  But I can't do anything with it on a PC, much less the phone.
[20:30] <dobey> yeah i don't know what the issue with bt on the n5 is exactly
[20:31] <nhaines> I would actually use Ubuntu as a daily driver then, but I have podcasts to listen to.  Also phone calls to make.
[20:33] <dobey> i do use it now
[20:34] <dobey> i haven't had any problems with calls, other than the occasional "i hear echo" comment maybe once or twice
[20:34] <dobey> which is of course incredibly difficult to debug
[20:36] <HopeCharging> Hello.  Can you tell me if Ubuntu Touch on Nexus7 allows for USB Host Charging while connected to another USB device (like a keyboard/mouse?)
[20:37] <dobey> otg isn't supported at the moment, afaik
[20:37] <nhaines> dobey: I need Bluetooth for when I'm driving.  :)
[20:37] <HopeCharging> you mean OTG charging?
[20:37] <dobey> nhaines: i need people not to bug me when i'm driving
[20:37] <dobey> HopeCharging: i mean otg at all
[20:38] <HopeCharging> oh, I was able to get the keyboard to work, but not charging and the keyboard
[20:38] <HopeCharging> interesting
[20:39] <nhaines> dobey: talking and driving is better than texting and driving.  :)  But I don't do either unless I can do it handsfree.
[20:39] <dobey> oh, well maybe you got lucky, but my understanding is that otg is not yet well supported
[20:39] <HopeCharging> ok, how bout this... is it possible to replace the android kernel?
[20:39] <dobey> no
[20:39] <HopeCharging> with something like ElementalX
[20:39] <HopeCharging> ok
[20:39] <nhaines> (So, you know, when someone comes up with a handsfree texting solution...  but I'm not in any real hurry.)
[20:40] <HopeCharging> sounds like another app... hands free texting.
[20:40] <HopeCharging> thanks ...
[20:40] <HopeCharging> bye
[20:40] <dobey> nhaines: i'd rather have a phone with tact
[20:41] <dobey> (aka real keyboard buttons)
[20:48] <dobey> oh well
[20:56] <dobey> now if i could just get a 14.04 installer usb written correctly
[22:57] <JoannisO> Hey! I want to develop for Ubuntu Touch but I only have one phone (Nexus 5) that can run it. Does anyone have enough experience with this port to give me advice? It's not an essential phone for me in a way that it (for example) can't ever crash to keep productivity up.. although it shouldn't constantly crash because I'd obviously like to develop for it.
[23:06] <ahoneybun> JoannisO, you want advice about how good the port is?
[23:06] <nhaines> JoannisO: root your phone and install MultiROM Manager.  You'll never have trouble with installing or uninstalling Ubuntu
[23:06] <nhaines> And then it's just dual-boot.  :D
[23:06] <ahoneybun> I've never dualbooted it
[23:07] <JoannisO> ahoneybun: If someone knows how usable it is I'd prefer that, yes.
[23:07] <JoannisO> nhaines: Doesn't this greatly increase the risk of a brick?
[23:07]  * ahoneybun has never bricked a Nexus device
[23:07] <nhaines> JoannisO: it greatly decreases it.
[23:07] <nhaines> Aside from the fact that I don't think Nexus devices *can* be bricked.
[23:08] <ahoneybun> I don't think so either
[23:08] <ahoneybun> unless you flash something for a different device mayne
[23:08] <ahoneybun> even then though
[23:09] <nhaines> In any case, I've been running Ubuntu on my Nexus 5 all year, no worries.  I don't even know how to flash Ubuntu over Android.
[23:10] <JoannisO> nhaines: Is there a tutorial for MutliROM Manager or is it as easy as can be? Obviously with a tutorial there's a minimal risk that I could mess it up.
[23:10] <JoannisO> I'll probably just remove Android anyways.
[23:11] <ahoneybun> nhaines, ubuntu-device-flash :)
[23:13] <JoannisO> Just to get this straight; it's literally one command (ubuntu-device-flash with some options) to start the process? Because this sounds waay too easy.
[23:17] <sergiusens> in general, for stable, just u-d-f --bootstrap for first timers
[23:18] <nhaines> ahoneybun: for the Nexus 5?  :)
[23:18] <nhaines> JoannisO: it's literally just one command to flash Android too.  :)
[23:19] <nhaines> There aren't any installation options.  Any image must be tailored specifically for the exact device it will be installed on.
[23:19] <ahoneybun> nhaines, same command for all devices I believe
[23:19] <ahoneybun> nhaines, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[23:20] <nhaines> ahoneybun: that's only for supported devices, and the Nexus 5 isn't supported.
[23:20] <nhaines> I'd be really surprised if you didn't have to point to the Nexus 5 server.
[23:27] <JoannisO> Thanks for the info! It's all up and running now!
[23:30] <JoannisO> ahoneybun: Do you have sound on your nexus 5?
[23:34] <nhaines> JoannisO: congrats!
[23:34] <nhaines> Sound should work.  Bluetooth doesn't.