[00:12] <shauno> I've seen that in a few dell servers - the internal usb port.  handy for esxi
[00:33] <daftykins> =]
[06:10] <mapp> i all
[06:10] <mapp> im back dont worry
[06:49] <mapp> hm poker night film sounds ok
[06:51] <mapp> noone around odd ;[
[08:15] <popey> Morning!
[08:20] <daftykins> o/
[08:22] <Seeker`> \o
[08:37] <DJones> Morning all, happy back to the grindstone & wage slave day
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:00] <Myrtti> morning
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning Myrtti
[09:03] <Myrtti> I should maybe find another wallpaper for my Ubuntu
[09:03] <Myrtti> I've stared at the Hotel Adriano garden with Gina in a gazebo for a year now
[09:04] <brobostigon> it would be cool if live wallpapers were possible, but a definate waste of resources.
[09:04]  * DJones hands Myrtti http://www.thevintagegalaxy.com/image/cache/data/tapeten%20der%2070er%20(8)-1024x1024.JPG
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05]  * Myrtti just goes to browse http://imgur.com/gallery/wTApy
[09:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice star destroyer dude figured out where you are putting it yet?
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> a change of wallpaper once an hour from a web cam would be nice so you could see a location as it goes though night and day
[09:10] <popey> brobostigon: live wallpapers is possible
[09:10] <brobostigon> popey: cool,
[09:11] <bashrc_> so how do you set up a live wallpaper from webcam?
[09:11] <popey> no idea
[09:12] <bashrc_> I've never seen that done, but it's maybe possible
[09:12] <bashrc_> ...then pick some puppycam
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> a rasp pi project beckons...
[09:14] <Myrtti> oh man, I love new Gimp
[09:16] <Myrtti> there, now I've got a new wallpaper.
[09:16] <Myrtti> and new gmail background as well.
[09:25] <davmor2> Myrtti: why the new gimp?  What does it do that the old one didn't?
[09:26] <Myrtti> well new gimp in comparison to the gimp that was with 12.04
[09:26] <Myrtti> single window setup
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, happy new year, and happy Bird Day! :-D
[09:55] <davmor2> JamesTait: /me hears the surviving Turkeys sigh a communal sigh of relief
[09:56] <JamesTait> davmor2, wait, we missed one?
[09:57] <nigelb> I thought it'd be "Oh dear, it's back to the grind" day.
[09:58] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's the feral ones they hide, next year they fight back, I might be confusing turkeys and apes though there was a few films about it ;)
[10:00] <JamesTait> nigelb, never! 2015 is going to be amazing! :)
[10:00]  * JamesTait keeps a look out for feral davmor2s.
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> beware of feral turkeys http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2008/06/20/one-wild-turkey-four-gunshots-lead-three-assault-charges?k=vg54aa60e958691&r=1
[10:02] <nigelb> lol
[10:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: if I learnt anything from 2014, 2015 is going to be a roller-coaster ride and insanely busy
[10:11] <JamesTait> davmor2, isn't that what I said? :-P
[10:12] <DJones> mmmmh, wild turkey, nice whisky
[12:52] <NET||abuse> i'm trying to decide what to do with my odroice-c1, i got it just before new year, have it running their image of ubuntu 14.04.1
[12:52] <NET||abuse> I could just xmbc my telly with it, but i feel like i should do something more
[12:52] <diplo> Let me know how well it runs xbmc :)
[12:52] <NET||abuse> will do.
[12:52] <diplo> That's what I was going to buy it for
[12:53] <NET||abuse> yeh, i'll get it setup as soon as i have time now this week
[12:54] <NET||abuse> the image they give you has a setup tool when it boots, kind of like a live image, you dd it onto your sd card, then there's the utity with ncurses menu that you can setup the hdmi resolution, update the kernel, expand the fs on the sdcard, and there's an install xbmc option, but it came up with not supported (yet)
[12:54] <diplo> Still it sounds good
[12:54] <NET||abuse> indeed, so just have to figure out he xbmc setup
[12:54] <diplo> Can grab xbmc or KODI from the ppa I guess
[12:54] <NET||abuse> they have a video of it, so hopeing that the not supported (yet) might just mean update a repo or something.
[12:55] <NET||abuse> yup, could look into that,
[12:55] <NET||abuse> saw an arch page on setting up odroid today too
[12:55] <NET||abuse> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/amlogic/odroid-c1
[12:55] <NET||abuse> I'd be happier in ubuntu as i know what i'm doing there, but there is some part of me willing to experiment and try arch on it.
[12:56] <NET||abuse> I've not arch'd before.
[12:57] <diplo> https://launchpad.net/~team-xbmc/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:00] <diplo> Or http://kodi.wiki/view/Official_Ubuntu_PPA
[14:24] <Azelphur> first day back at work, and http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4035056453 my internet connection is clearly happy today.
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> people still on holiday/sick... :-)
[14:25] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: hehe, nah was fine yesterday, must be some sort of fault, it's a 70mbit bt infinity line
[15:04] <diddledan> Azelphur: that's very slow if you're on a 76Mbit line
[15:08] <zmoylan-pi> well he's got 2-3 weeks of tv downloading :-)
[15:24] <Azelphur> diddledan: oversold again it seems
[15:24] <Azelphur> enta.net seem to be the king of overselling, this is the third time they've oversold my line now.
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> buy a second connection with them so you're in connention with yourself :-P
[15:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:26] <Azelphur> I love how they openly admit "Oh it seems our node is overloaded"
[15:26] <Azelphur> thanks for selling my internet connection that I already paid for to someone else folks!
[15:26] <Azelphur> xD
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> it would make deep packet inspection much more interesting if half the packets are missing :-)
[15:28] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:00] <awilkins> I'm on a 60... allegedly
[16:00] <awilkins> VM have just mailed me to say they'll upgrade me to 100
[16:01] <awilkins> From the way it's rigged, I'm betting that entails taking another contract with them because I have to click on things and "order" stuff
[16:02] <awilkins> I don't actually get much more than 20Mbit/s
[16:02] <awilkins> Upload is fine
[16:23] <daftykins> awilkins: are you in a city centre? or Uni town?
[16:24] <awilkins> daftykins, Rubbish suburb
[16:24] <awilkins> From past performance problems I'm guessing there are a lot of torrenters around here
[16:24] <awilkins> Local router had severe RAM / CPU problems a few years ago
[16:24] <daftykins> :(
[16:26] <daftykins> supplied one?
[16:40] <popey> awilkins: which modem do you currently have?
[16:40] <popey> the little ntl one with green LEDs along the front?
[16:41] <awilkins> popey, The VM branded "Superhub" with the red and blue lights in the corner
[16:41] <popey> oh, that should be capable of 100Mb
[16:41] <awilkins> Yeah
[16:41] <awilkins> It has the 60mbit profile loaded at present but only manages ~ 22Mbit/s on speedtest.net
[16:42] <popey> ouch
[16:42] <awilkins> Which is consistent with things like Steam download speeds
[16:42]  * popey speedtests
[16:42] <popey> "Speedtest.net requires Flash"
[16:42] <popey> maybe not
[16:42] <awilkins> It's in Modem mode and connected to my internal router
[16:42] <awilkins> But I have tested it with just a bare wire
[16:42] <daftykins> perhaps it should find itself a little accident
[16:43] <awilkins> Usually a problem on the line, not in the modem
[16:43] <awilkins> Every time I've had problems they send an engineer out and they usually change the attenuator
[16:44] <popey> \o/ speedtest-cli
[16:44] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9677478/
[16:44] <popey> \o/
[16:46] <Laney> I need to put some ethernet cable down in this place
[16:46] <Laney> wiring's a bit old for powerline
[16:47] <daftykins> cat6 all the things \o/
[16:48] <awilkins> popey, That's really useful
[16:48] <awilkins> It was resolving another ISPs speed server
[16:49] <awilkins> So tested it with the VM hosted one
[16:49] <awilkins> Same speed, 19.19 mbit/s
[16:50] <daftykins> is the one attached the only coax feed in the property?
[16:50] <daftykins> if their modem is a little funky it should totally have an accident ;)
[16:52] <diddledan> do they replace modems if they have water damage from finding their way into a bath full of water at the opposite end of the house to where the router usually sits?
[16:52] <awilkins> It's on the only coax in the house
[16:53] <awilkins> Don't even have an STB
[16:57] <popey> i want to move my vm box
[16:57] <popey> but hate DIY
[16:59] <DJones> popey: You're a bloke, you love DIY (subject to stereotypes)
[16:59] <daftykins> :)
[17:00] <popey> Nope.
[17:01] <diddledan> I can't DIY
[17:01] <diddledan> I break things
[17:02] <diddledan> now then, I wonder if my desktop pc is randomly cutting power because the cpu gets too hot?
[17:02] <diddledan> it needs a decent clean of the heatsink
[17:03] <diddledan> or better yet, a bigger more sinking heat sink
[17:03] <DJones> Or a colder office
[17:03]  * DJones moves diddledan to Finland
[17:03] <DJones> To an office with no glass in the windows
[17:04] <diddledan> brr
[17:05] <daftykins> diddledan: how do the sensors read?
[17:05] <diddledan> daftykins: as in the technology or the actual value?
[17:05] <daftykins> temperatures, ja
[17:06] <diddledan> I've not actually had a look at the moment of power-off, I only thought about it after it's been offline overnight
[17:06] <daftykins> i got pretty tempted by those Dell XPS 13s the other day, but 1) i really don't fancy something with the Dell logo on it and 2) there are way too many changes in the industry coming that'd render it pretty useless soon enough
[17:07] <ali1234> what changes are those?
[17:07] <diddledan> new uberchip from intel
[17:08] <daftykins> more so USB 3.1c
[17:08] <daftykins> 'useless' was an exaggeration :D
[17:08] <diddledan> 3.1c?!
[17:08] <daftykins> yep y'know, the 10Gbps audio, video and reversible connector edition
[17:09] <diddledan> aah, yes
[17:09] <diddledan> an attempt at usurping thunderbolt
[17:09] <daftykins> i think it needs to be done, haven't exactly seen thunderbolt take off
[17:09] <diddledan> I would expect it to achieve better penetration than thunderbolt
[17:10] <diddledan> the advantage of usb is that it's completely backwards compatible down to 1.0
[17:10] <zmoylan-pi> os/2 had more penetration than thunderbolt :-)
[17:10]  * diddledan resists innuendo
[17:11] <daftykins> of course, getting rid of it means less plays of AC/DC's 'Thunderstruck'
[17:16] <DJones> Oh my word, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-30681476 Space hopper man caught on dual carriageway
[17:17]  * zmoylan-pi tries to remember the british comedy of the serial killer with the spacehopper
[17:17] <diddledan> haha
[17:17] <diddledan> lmao
[17:17] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: I don't remember that one
[17:17] <diddledan> what an eejit
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> monkey dust
[17:18] <DJones> And this is why scotland should have been given independance
[17:18] <diddledan> DJones, yeah, get rid of them :-p
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPUmH46xRoU monky dust
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> the link i meant... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBUFgJlrCDc
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi> great show...
[17:46] <Laney> mmm after eights
[18:00] <popey> But it's only 6!
[18:00] <zmoylan-pi> he's eating 2 hours east...
[18:01] <Laney> it's after 8 am
[18:01] <Laney> and if it's not, then it's after 8 pm :-)
[18:01] <zmoylan-pi> as long as he doesn't feed the gremlin after midnight
[18:02] <daftykins> =]
[18:10] <diddledan> ok, I've booted my desktop - it's hovering around 60-70C on the CPU
[18:11] <daftykins> idle? jeez
[18:11] <daftykins> clean + thermal paste reapplication o'clock, perhaps?
[18:12] <diddledan> hmm, just dropped to around 50 now
[18:12] <diddledan> still high IMO
[18:12] <daftykins> what type is it?
[18:12] <diddledan> the gfx is static at about 45
[18:12] <diddledan> it's an amd bulldozer 8core
[18:13] <daftykins> oh so you're the guy that buys AMD ;)
[18:13] <diddledan> lol
[18:14] <diddledan> I want an intel for my next one tho
[18:14] <daftykins> so sad they'll likely never come back and compete as they once did :(
[18:14] <diddledan> they _used_ to be better than the equivalent intel back in the K6 days
[18:15] <daftykins> mmm, i loved them for the Athlon XP and Athlon64 era
[18:15] <daftykins> though for the latter they were dogged by chipset woes
[18:16] <diddledan> odd that amd won the 64bit race, too, allthough not by being first
[18:16] <diddledan> itanium was first but nobody wanted it
[18:16] <daftykins> faster with x64 tasks y'mean?
[18:17] <daftykins> yarr
[18:17] <diddledan> prolly because it wasn't x86-compatible
[18:17] <daftykins> aren't there some dramatic differences between the architectures though?
[18:17] <daftykins> maybe that :D
[18:17] <intrbiz> diddledan: DEC Alpha was 64bit before Itanium (which was mostly a HP design anyway)
[18:17] <intrbiz> AMD beat Intel to the 1GHz x86 boundary too
[18:18] <diddledan> intrbiz, and there was ppc64, also
[18:19] <diddledan> and sparc64
[18:19] <diddledan> ppc was/is ibm? and sparc was sun?
[18:19] <intrbiz> Power is IBM
[18:20] <intrbiz> AMD also put the memory controller, GPU on die long before Intel did
[18:20] <diddledan> I thought for a while after sun open sourced solaris that it was going to gain more traction than it did - I think part of the problem was that oracle came along
[18:20] <intrbiz> AMD also had Hypertransport, which Intel later copied with QPI
[18:20] <diddledan> if there's one thing that oracle does well, it's killing anything it touches
[18:21] <intrbiz> Oracle has tried hard to damage the open solaris community
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> are they as good as hp at killing acquisitions?
[18:21] <intrbiz> diddledan: Oracle is expert in extracting large sums of money from customers
[18:21] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, they're trying hard to be that good
[18:22] <intrbiz> thankfully Oracle hasn't killed Java yet, but that would be a pretty stupid move for them
[18:22] <intrbiz> HP suffered from hiring the worlds dumbest CEO
[18:22] <diddledan> I wonder what elop is going to kill next, ready for an acquisition by a competitor
[18:22] <diddledan> macromedia. check. nokia. check.
[18:22] <daftykins> maybe he works for the mafia,
[18:23] <daftykins> :D
[18:23] <intrbiz> diddledan: I was hoping on MS
[18:23] <daftykins> move in, shutdown the company
[18:23] <zmoylan-pi> elop isn't dumb, he's the best trojan horse since the original
[18:23] <diddledan> daftykins, that seems to be his game plan
[18:24] <intrbiz> It was leo apotheker I was eluding to
[18:25] <diddledan> intrbiz, aye
[18:25] <intrbiz> he managed to drop HP's stock 40% and still got a £7m pay off
[19:20] <diddledan> http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/dlink-ac-router-590x330.jpg
[19:20] <diddledan> erm
[19:20] <diddledan> that's a router and then some
[19:20] <diddledan> I wonder if all those pointy things actually do anything
[19:21] <diddledan> found via: http://www.geek.com/chips/d-links-new-routers-look-like-theyre-built-for-the-imperial-guard-1612782/
[19:21] <daftykins> yeah, wouldn't touch D-Link though
[19:21] <daftykins> you should see the Netgear 'Nighthawk' too ;)
[19:24] <mapp> free yens tonight
[19:24] <mapp> from N17 Tottenham should win easily
[19:24] <mapp> ;]
[19:27] <daftykins> as in the Japanese currency?
[19:28] <zmoylan-pi> you could make that router look like an alien facehugger so easily :-)
[19:30] <daftykins> XD
[19:31] <mapp> yes
[19:31] <mapp> watching poker night now
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> maybe popping up when a guest connects for first time beside comfy chair... :-D
[19:31] <mapp> does anyone here use twitter much? got a few qs i dont use it much
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> i use it @angryearthling
[19:34] <diddledan> ok, lets see if that works better - I've fished-out some clogged dust between the cpu fan and the heatsink on my desktop - it's now about 10C cooler at 40C under a bit of load
[19:35] <diddledan> that's about 20% load - so one core running full I guess
[19:35] <diddledan> hmm, more like 2 cores running full, as it's an 8ish core cpu
[19:35] <diddledan> it's weird - intel do hyperthread to double the core count, whereas the bulldozer amd was/is a suite of full cores with each pair linked to a single ALU
[19:36] <diddledan> so arithmatic can be a bottleneck
[19:36] <zmoylan-pi> intel was always bad at maths :-P
[19:37] <diddledan> it's an amd :-p
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> my statement still stands... :-)
[19:46] <diddledan> aah, I'm re-reading the wiki page about the architechture - it's not so much the ALU but specifically the floating-point arithmetic that is shared between x86 cores
[19:47] <diddledan> so each pair of integer cores (the standard x86 bit) has a single floating point accelerator
[19:47] <diddledan> what used to be called an 8087 back in the day
[19:47] <diddledan> (I think)
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> i remember the one time we added a maths co pro to a computer for an accountant to get his excel going faster... took my boss 4 attempts and 3 burnt out co pros as there was no marking as to the orientation visible in natural light to indicate pin 0
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> would it have been so hard to make the socket only fit one way? :-)
[19:53] <druid_> hi
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> hello
[19:54] <druid_> what is a good irc chatroom or server to goto in order to learn how to use irc?
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> freenode is a grand server to hang out on irc.  lots of channels covering different subjects
[19:55] <druid_> thankyou
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> just hang out in any chatroom your interested in and you'll see the etiquette in use
[19:55] <druid_> im new to irc (ive been under a rock lol)
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> *you're
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> well... many of the irc folk exist under rocks :-P
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> not fans of natural light :-)
[19:55] <druid_> haha
[19:56] <druid_> sounds like ive been missing out on my community!
[19:56] <daftykins> ^
[19:56]  * diddledan hisses at the sun
[19:56] <daftykins> druid_: not hugely ;) IRC has the best and worst in one can
[19:56] <druid_> our?
[19:56]  * zmoylan-pi sneaks up on cats in the dark...
[19:57] <daftykins> if that's my cat, i guarantee you'll come off worse
[19:57] <druid_> yeah i understand there are always dodgy apples in every crop
[19:57] <druid_> lol
[19:57] <druid_> lol @daftykins
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> ah mobile connections...
[20:00] <diddledan> druid_, one tip for IRC is most client programs will automatically complete a username of someone in the channel when you press the tab key - e.g. to complete mine, type something like "did" and then tab
[20:00] <diddledan> bah
[20:00] <diddledan> and there was me being uncharactaristically helpful, too!
[20:00] <zmoylan-pi> at least lasted in the channel long enough to answer...
[20:03] <daftykins> huzzah, just glued the wallpaper back on the wall that my cat sliced off
[20:03] <daftykins> quality classroom style pritt stick wins ;)
[20:04] <diddledan> lol
[20:05] <daftykins> which was in my chewits pencil case i've had since the mid 90s
[20:05] <daftykins> *whistle*
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> aren't you just refreshing the scratching post the cat has designated? :-)
[20:07] <daftykins> nah basically this happened, but with wallpaper slicing - (check your speakers, she's loud) https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mlterh6uuvnjk6/VID_20141216_162210.mp4?dl=0
[20:07] <diddledan> my first cat used parents' sofa and armchairs as scratching posts - by the time he karked it the covering on each corner had been all but destroyed
[20:08] <daftykins> heh you can actually see her jaw go there
[20:09] <diddledan> aww, she no likely
[20:09] <diddledan> likey**
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> ours worked out how to open doors and windows to get at the trespassers
[20:09] <diddledan> no likey, no lightey
[20:10] <diddledan> parents don't own a cat anymore, but random neighbourhood ones have worked out how to open their obsolete catflap even though it's locked
[20:11] <diddledan> hint, it's only locked in one direction.
[20:11] <daftykins> lol, nice
[20:11] <daftykins> the flaw with my omnidirectional flap came when i saw my cat batting it to threaten a cat outside
[20:11] <daftykins> = making it swing outward
[20:11] <diddledan> so now dad has placed a nice huge lump of wood against the door :-)
[20:11] <diddledan> lol
[20:12] <diddledan> our second cat did that to signal that he wanted the door opened to let him in
[20:12] <mapp> m question was re twitter how do you keep up with notifications say i followed some podcasts on twitter how would i know when they tweet about a new ep rather than manually checking their twitter..i know notifications would show it..but it shows EVERY notification for people you follow
[20:13] <diddledan> he never worked out that he could come and go as he pleased
[20:13] <diddledan> cat flap? no, it's a door knocker
[20:13] <daftykins> :D
[20:13] <mapp> and like is there no way to just have alerts/popups like with email so say ubuntu uk podcast tweets id get an alert?
[20:13] <daftykins> my cat only learnt to come in mine when she got hungry, when i was laid up in the hospital
[20:13] <Myrtti> did you guys watch the Horizon Cat thing?
[20:13] <Myrtti> three episodes.
[20:14] <daftykins> err
[20:14] <diddledan> nope
[20:14] <daftykins> tracking around the little town, etc?
[20:14] <diddledan> don't even know what it is
[20:14] <daftykins> Horizon the BBC doc
[20:14] <Myrtti> daftykins: yeah, they made three new episodes
[20:14] <diddledan> yah, I got the horizon reference, but I don't know what the cat thing is
[20:14] <daftykins> oh wow
[20:14] <Myrtti> it had a bit about the cat not using the flap because it wanted to know the surroundings around the cat flap before using it
[20:15] <daftykins> is anyone still using get_iplayer ? it was broken when i tried it the other day (latest site version and packaged version)
[20:15] <diddledan> :-(
[20:16] <mapp> so noone can answer my q hmpf
[20:16] <daftykins> maybe there's a twitter channel, mapp
[20:17] <zmoylan-pi> oh, twitter notifications on specific tweets... interesting... never looked...
[20:17] <diddledan> I don't know if it's possible
[20:18] <diddledan> twitter tends to be "flood them with all the things"
[20:18] <diddledan> facebook is similar in that respect
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> you could probably script ttytter to send an email when it saw a tweet...
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> but then it would need to be running 24x7
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> the default clients are lacking and twitter hasn't helped by trying to kill them off
[20:20] <diddledan> tweetdeck was great when it did facebok alongside twitter in the same thing - now it's twitter-only because the twit bought them out
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> http://sarahmarshall.io/post/97038393468/how-to-get-an-email-alert-every-time-a-particular
[20:21] <diddledan> I don't like hootsuite because they insist you use their own link shortener
[20:21] <Myrtti> Hairy Dieters curry ♥
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> if twitter hadn't of removed the functionality i suspect facebook would have killed it off instead.  wouldn't want a dual client in the hands of their competition
[20:25] <diddledan> twitter didn't need to buy them tho
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> twitter has bought a few clients to kill them.  they want full control of your access to twitter :-(
[20:25] <diddledan> that was my point - they bought it specifically to remove the facebook and ensure everyone stays on twitter
[21:06] <mapp> hm
[21:06] <mapp> got some new green tea
[21:06] <mapp> salted caramel O_o
[21:06] <mapp> never seen it before
[21:12] <diddledan> hmm, computer has died in a new way now
[21:13] <daftykins> diddledan: keeping you on your toes!
[21:13] <diddledan> it's background disappeared and chrome hung and opening a folder off the desktop doesn't. (it's windows 10, so I guess I asked for it)
[21:14] <diddledan> oh, maybe chrome isn't hung
[21:15] <diddledan> alt+ctrl+del and taskmanager allowed me to restart explorer.exe
[21:16] <daftykins> alt first!? what foreign talk is this :>
[21:16] <diddledan> it's talk from amstrad pc1512 days
[21:19] <mapp> windows 10 eh..cool
[21:19] <mapp> i was thinkinf of trying it in a vm
[21:20] <daftykins> just think of 8 with a funny start menu, not even worth installing to see really ;)
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> in honour of using an amstrad try gem instead :-)
[21:20] <diddledan> >.<
[21:21] <diddledan> the version of gem we got with ours was the crippled later version after someone sued the author to get them to remove resizable windows
[21:21]  * zmoylan-pi remembers that debacle
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> same thing happened to windows 1.0 iirc
[21:22] <mapp> why not use it on a vm diddledan
[21:22] <diddledan> aah, it was apple who sued
[21:22] <mapp> hmm daftykins  thought 10 has old start menu back
[21:22] <diddledan> http://toastytech.com/guis/guitimeline2.html
[21:22]  * zmoylan-pi learned spreadsheets on vp planner which was a copy of lotus 123 that was sued out of existence by lotus
[21:22] <daftykins> mapp: yeah, so 8 with a funny start menu :)
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> 10 has a menu, just not the menu i think
[21:24] <daftykins> http://www.hardwareluxx.de/images/stories/galleries/reviews/Microsoft_Windows_10_Preview/Windows_10_Preview_4.jpg
[21:24] <daftykins> menu + silly tiles
[21:24] <shauno> isn't that the one where a wild windows8 appeared, and they caught it in win7's start button?
[21:24] <zmoylan-pi> burn it with fire!!
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> they'll have no truck with the 'give customers what they want' schpiel
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> but they finally made an uglier ui than default xp angry fruit salad
[21:27] <daftykins> i'd have to disagree there, fisher price XP was way worse than this
[21:27] <daftykins> to my eye
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> but once you switched to windows classic sanity was inched towards... :-)
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> then just install tweakui and remove a lot of the silliness...
[21:29] <daftykins> yip, i ran 7 with classic on my laptop too, but it disabled the compositing and left video playback to tear :(
[21:30] <diddledan> who remembers that. microsoft shoehorning html and javascript everywhere in windows98 :-p
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> having a massive desktop image in memory at a time when systems were shipped with xp in 128mb ram...
[21:30] <diddledan> "active folder views"
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> active desktop...
[21:30] <diddledan> and the active destkop, yeah
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> like that was never going to be a security problem...
[21:30] <daftykins> i don't recall XP shipping on boxes with 128MB O_O
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> they did
[21:31] <daftykins> eww
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> i set up dozens...
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> slowly...
[21:31] <daftykins> :D
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> very slowly...
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> i think minimum was 64mb but you couldn't even run wordpad in that
[21:31] <diddledan> my first windows pc came with 32MB of ram (windows 95)
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> my first windows pc was 4mb, with win 3.1
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> the first version of windows i used was windows 286.
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> it was a runtime of windows shipped with word 1.0 to run on dos computers
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> it was only last year i saw a customer who had gotten xp systems with 256mb of ram upgraded to new systems.  the only app they used was browser.
[21:40] <daftykins> >_<
[21:40] <daftykins> meanwhile finance institutions over here are already throwing out i3's
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> as patches needed more ram and av became mandatory they moved from ie to opera as it did the job with less
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> it's a travel agents. 6 pcs were running xp on 256mb slowly but no hardware problems
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> if it ain't broken
[21:41] <daftykins> oh totally
[21:41] <daftykins> i'm saying it sickens me, their refreshes
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> those 6 systems could be still running linux or even xp with a stick of extra ram
[21:42] <diddledan> erm. no. anything running xp should be killed
[21:42] <daftykins> they could buy a single beefy box and make dumb terminals of them
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> they were not infected. i saw to that
[21:43] <diddledan> xp means they can't run anything newer than IE8
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> ::waves hand:: this is not the botnet you were looking for
[21:43] <shauno> I'm surprised you didn't try to replace them with pies :)
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> they used opera for browser
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> as ie became flakier and flakier
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> opera merely had to be less flakier than ie and use less ram :-)
[21:44] <daftykins> shauno: lol +1
[21:44] <diddledan> I believe even using opera they'd be stuck with ssl problems
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> now they would yes. but i'd have found a way if necessary if they were still there
[21:45] <intrbiz> only if using schannel for the SSL, chrome moved to NSS IIRC
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> trying to remember how the travel agent software made a secure connection...
[21:45] <intrbiz> and hoping it did....
[21:45] <diddledan> intrbiz, yeah, I'm just reading that
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> trying to remember _if_... :-)
[21:46] <intrbiz> Chrome uses the Windows trust store however, FF uses it's own trust store
[21:51] <intrbiz> I dispait when I have to use sever 2012, the few times that I must
[21:51] <intrbiz> no idea what MS was thinking with that
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> intrbiz: why? It's Unixy-er than ever ;)
[21:53] <intrbiz> MartijnVdS: the UI, it's a PITA to use, especially in a VM console / RDP window
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> intrbiz: I don't have problems with it
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> xfreerdp.. some plugin to share a directory on my Ubuntu machine as a disk on the server.. and done
[22:43] <mapp> hm
[22:44] <mapp> that poker night film was ok