[00:57] <jjfrv8> brainwash, I took your suggestion re the ppa, but no joy. I updated the bug report with the results.
[00:58] <jjfrv8> this laptop is just a testbed for now so I'm willing to try anything on it.
[07:30] <ochosi> morning everyone
[09:28] <Unit193> ochosi: You again? :(
[09:28] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, me again. when's the next team meeting? :)
[09:29] <Unit193> Monday.
[09:30] <ochosi> ah right, that's today
[09:35] <Unit193> Unless we have nothing, but in that case I'm more inclined to do a 3 minute meeting and get it over with already. :P
[09:46] <ochosi> heh
[13:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: i've added support for a custom panel background for ubiquity's panel in greybird (git master) and also pushed a branch with the relevant changes to ubiquity to a branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/ubiquity/xubuntu-panel-bg
[13:34] <ochosi> might do some more changes to greybird, but as soon as we have that version supporting it uploaded, i'd create the MR based on that branch
[13:40] <brainwash> jjfrv8: you should also test a recent kernel version, 3.17 or 3.18
[13:42] <brainwash> jjfrv8: vivid still ships with 3.16. this could be reason why even upgrading to vivid did not fix the issue
[13:46] <jjfrv8> brainwash, so then 3.16 was a regression?  Because things worked fine in Trusty and then broke in Utopic.
[13:47] <brainwash> jjfrv8: possible, things change rapidly
[13:47] <brainwash> from 3.13 to 3.16 to 3.17/18
[13:48] <jjfrv8> if you can point me to a how-to on how to get .17 or .18, I'd be willing to try them.
[13:49] <brainwash> easiest way would be to use http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[13:50] <brainwash> and install the deb file manually (+ header deb files if needed)
[13:50] <jjfrv8> might try it this evening, off to work now.
[13:51] <brainwash> sure, now we know at least that we don't need to blame the power manager :)
[13:52] <jjfrv8> yup
[13:55] <ochosi> would've been a small surprise anyway
[13:55] <ochosi> ;)
[15:39] <elfy> ochosi: could make no sense of the diff (obviously) did the panel update I got today include the intelligent hide/shaded window issue? 
[15:39] <elfy> hope not ... 
[15:44] <ochosi> elfy: yeah
[15:44] <ochosi> that issue hasn't been entirely resolved yet
[15:44] <ochosi> my patch needs some amendments before it can be mergred
[15:44] <ochosi> merged
[15:44] <ochosi> the diff linked to above was only for ubiquity and has nothing to do with our user-session
[15:45] <elfy> cool - that's fine - just wanted to make sure - as it hadn't worked here :D
[15:45] <ochosi> another issue i noticed is regarding the clipboard in vivid
[15:45] <ochosi> that seems to be strangely broken for me
[15:45] <elfy> mmmm
[15:46] <slickymasterWork> hey guys
[15:46] <slickymasterWork> hope everyone had a nice holidays
[15:46] <ochosi> hey slickymasterWork 
[15:46] <slickymasterWork> hi ochosi
[15:46] <ochosi> elfy: does "mmmm" mean you see that too?
[15:47] <ochosi> yeah, as i wasn't here for most of the holidays, i obviously had a good time ;)
[15:47] <slickymasterWork> unfortunately something come up and I won't be able to attend today's meeting 
[15:47] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, elfy ^^^
[15:47] <ochosi> righty
[15:47] <ochosi> i'm not sure i'll be back in time either
[15:48] <ochosi> have a dinner @friends place
[15:48] <elfy> rarely use clipboards tbh - when I have been it's worked ok - what sort of issues are you seeing?
[15:48] <slickymasterWork> any way, I've sent the second call for translations to the ML, today
[15:48] <slickymasterWork> * anyway
[15:49] <elfy> ochosi slickymasterWork so - opinion on doing alpha 2 ?
[15:49] <ochosi> i don't see any roadblocks for alpha2 currently
[15:49] <slickymasterWork> I don't see why we wouldn't
[15:49] <elfy> I meant whether to bother or not ? 
[15:49] <ochosi> in terms of getting more community testing, it might be a good step
[15:50] <slickymasterWork> it's not that much more work, tbh
[15:50] <elfy> slickymasterWork: lol - well I don't see why we would tbh
[15:50] <ochosi> right, so your point is that nobody will test anyway?
[15:50] <elfy> if we were chucking stuff into the mix that we wanted testing from staging perhaps 
[15:50] <slickymasterWork> why we wouldn't = just 4 additional test, not that much elfy 
[15:51] <elfy> ochosi: not so much that - just whether there's an issue
[15:51] <elfy> slickymasterWork: if it was that simple I would agree - but it's not - sometimes they remember to set it up
[15:51] <slickymasterWork> of course, one could also do some package testing while at it ;)
[15:51] <elfy> if not there's chasing people in the right timezone to turn it on
[15:52] <elfy> then there's days of chasing to get it turned off again so we can carry on doing dailies
[15:52] <elfy> and the pointless exercise in doing release notes here there and everywhere for people to ignore
[15:52] <elfy> so , no it's not just 4 addition tests ;)
[15:52] <ochosi> release notes pile up though
[15:52] <slickymasterWork> I see your point elfy, and I won't argue it because I know why it's a valid point, but if we're going to vote it, I'd be +1 on doing a2
[15:52] <ochosi> so it's not really useless to do them in the beginning
[15:53] <ochosi> just means less work towards the end of the cycle
[15:54] <elfy> k - thanks - just wanted your opinions if you're not going to be there :)
[15:54] <ochosi> sure :)
[15:55] <ochosi> i'm curious to hear what the others have to say on the matter too
[15:55] <slickymasterWork> np elfy, even if my opinion means some extra work to you
[15:55] <slickymasterWork> sorry for that :P
[15:55] <elfy> :)
[15:55] <ochosi> the workload should be shared among the release-team members though
[15:55] <elfy> I'm more likely to not releasing it to be honest :)
[15:56] <ochosi> that includes bluesabre and me :)
[15:56] <elfy> though I would love to be proved wrong of course 
[15:56] <elfy> ochosi: yep - I know :D
[15:56] <ochosi> there are some major changes that warrant an a2 release imo
[15:56] <ochosi> e.g. gtk3 update
[15:57] <ochosi> but also systemd
[15:57] <elfy> systemd is still not default afaik
[15:57] <elfy> and THAT was the main reason for possibly doing A2
[16:01] <ochosi> oh it isn't
[16:01] <elfy> just checking that 
[16:01] <ochosi> i was under the impression it was
[16:06] <elfy> appears to not be systemd, PID1 is init and not systemd
[16:15] <ochosi> elfy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1411-systemd-migration
[16:15] <ochosi> still quite a few blockers
[16:16] <elfy> yep
[16:16] <elfy> I don't mind us doing it as such - just the main reason to take part this cycle in it - is missing :)
[16:16] <ochosi> actually i'm talking to some folks in u-devel now
[16:16] <elfy> ok
[16:17] <ochosi> seems like in the next grub release, ppl can choose whether to boot with upstart or systemd if both is installed
[16:17] <elfy> mmk
[16:17] <elfy> must be a new grub release, didn't notice this morning when I rebooted after that and panel updates
[16:18] <ochosi> yeah, hasnt landed yet i think
[16:18] <elfy> okey doke 
[18:40] <brainwash> ochosi: the power manager is able to shutdown/hibernate/suspend the system after some inactivity, but what if the screen is locked in the meantime via light-locker?
[18:40] <brainwash> now the power manager is not in command anymore
[18:40] <brainwash> so, maybe not authorized to perform these actions anymore
[18:41] <brainwash> the power manager is restricted by upower + polkit
[18:43] <brainwash> bug 1319598 is currently assigned to xfpm, but is it really the one to blame?
[21:56] <Unit193> ochosi: Yes the grub fix has landed, I saw the diff of /etc/grub.d/10_linux last update and noticed it was checking for inits.
[22:00] <Unit193> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan  5 22:00:01 2015 UTC.  The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:00] <Unit193> Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting.  Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:00] <Unit193> Anyone else here for it?
[22:01] <Unit193> Oh yey, at least elfy is here.
[22:01] <elfy> yep
[22:01] <Unit193> !team | Meeting time
[22:01] <pleia2> o/
[22:01] <Unit193> #topic Open action items
[22:02] <elfy> just went to check grub ... 
[22:02] <elfy> as I said earlier - not default ;)
[22:02] <Unit193> elfy: Likely wouldn't be, systemd-sysv should be installed for that.
[22:02] <Unit193> Alright, so I generally just see "elfy to converse with knome about QA processes"
[22:02] <elfy> yep
[22:02] <elfy> did that 
[22:03] <Unit193> Yey!  That's all of them.
[22:03] <Unit193> #topic Team updates
[22:03] <Unit193> Free for all ^
[22:03] <pleia2> #info Received 20 bundles of stickers and Xubuntu stickers from unixstickers.com
[22:03] <elfy> \o/
[22:03] <pleia2> we can talk about those later :)
[22:04] <Unit193> Yep, see that under discussion.
[22:04] <Unit193> #info We should have xfce4-panel, xfce4-indicator-plugin, and thunar updates landing soon, new releases from Xfce.
[22:04] <Unit193> Anyone else?
[22:05] <Unit193> #topic Discussion items
[22:05] <elfy> #info 14/300 iso tests done in last 30 days
[22:05] <Unit193> Ah, ouch...
[22:06] <Unit193> #subtopic Discuss replacing gnome-calculator with galculator
[22:06] <pleia2> I haven't done any, will remedy this (particularly as I prep for the QA event in SF next month)
[22:06] <Unit193> Anyone there for this one?
[22:06] <Unit193> I've done two upgrade tests, that's it.
[22:06] <elfy> I thought that that calc issue was going away and so no need to do anything 
[22:07] <elfy> though I possibly misunderstood 
[22:07] <pleia2> I've not kept up with it at all
[22:07] <Unit193> They may patch it so it doesn't have CSD anymore, which would be the biggest reason to get rid of it.
[22:07] <elfy> can't even remember what csd is ... 
[22:08] <Unit193> One of the two annoying new GNOME features, can't remember either which though.  Alright, so moving on it is...
[22:08] <elfy> yep
[22:08] <Unit193> #subtopic Alpha2 or ignore and just work with Beta's and Final?
[22:09] <elfy> so - given that systemd is NOT default 
[22:09] <pleia2> seemed to work fine to ignore them last cycle
[22:09] <elfy> the only reason that we were possibly going to do A2 was that
[22:09]  * pleia2 nods
[22:09] <elfy> ochosi seems to like the idea of doing it
[22:10] <elfy> so does slickymaster 
[22:10] <elfy> I don't - lot of work for little gain - and ^^ for the main reason to not
[22:10] <elfy> though ochosi did point to gtk3 updates landed
[22:11] <Unit193> Yes, yes they did.  Some things seem a little..off.
[22:11] <elfy> but we've got a week to make a decision 
[22:11] <Unit193> Indeed.  I just defer to you on it.
[22:11] <knome> huh
[22:11] <knome> hello
[22:11] <Unit193> knome: Hello!
[22:11] <pleia2> hey knome
[22:11] <knome> fwiw, i'm still sick, so mostly watching
[22:12] <elfy> we'd need to have a decision 19th re A2
[22:12] <elfy> knome: hi and :(
[22:12] <Unit193> elfy: Otherwise, we have had a few xfce packages land, and are about to have a few more.
[22:12] <Unit193> Anything else under this subtopic?
[22:12] <elfy> Unit193: properly land?
[22:12] <Unit193> elfy: Yes.
[22:12] <elfy> k
[22:12] <knome> from what i've seen, probably better skip a2
[22:13] <knome> we can probably use the time and effort better testing on something specific
[22:13] <elfy> frankly - it might be good to try and get things from staging into default - then I can see a reason
[22:13] <knome> can people confirm they'll have time to do that?
[22:14] <elfy> that said - it might be good to do A2 - so that when there isn't sufficient testing then everyone will know I was serious about blocking release
[22:14] <Unit193> knome: Two systems I use are already on vivid, so it's a lot easier to test specifics than installs.
[22:15] <elfy> knome: I guess that's down to ochosi and bluesabre mostly 
[22:15] <knome> elfy, i agree people need to take the possibility of blocking seriously, but otoh, i don't think that's the right way to go with it
[22:16] <knome> elfy, want to take an action item before next week to ask dev people if they want to do the a2 release, or shall i?
[22:16] <elfy> I'm happy to do that
[22:16] <knome> cheers
[22:17] <knome> #elfy to talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2
[22:17] <Unit193> Need #action
[22:17] <knome> lol
[22:17] <knome> brain not working
[22:18] <knome> #action elfy to talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2
[22:18] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2
[22:18] <Unit193> #subtopic We have stickers for QA contributors! Next step?
[22:18] <Unit193> See: http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
[22:18] <Unit193> pleia2: ^
[22:18] <pleia2> right-o
[22:18] <pleia2> so now that I have a pile of these, we should do the thing
[22:18] <knome> i would say set it up for next milestone we're releasing
[22:19] <knome> or, simply target beta 1
[22:19] <elfy> target B1
[22:19] <knome> so we have enough time to inform people
[22:19] <pleia2> will it only be testers for B1, or anyone who has tested up to and including B1?
[22:19] <elfy> pleia2: well - off the top of my head
[22:19] <elfy> and if we DO say that -team are excluded
[22:20] <elfy> then we are talking about PaulW2U 
[22:20] <elfy> for the cycle up to now 
[22:21] <knome> otoh... it's not work in vain
[22:21] <elfy> we really need to finalise who is counted 
[22:21] <pleia2> well, the point is to encourage other folks, so it won't just be Paul :)
[22:21] <knome> we can take those into account
[22:21] <knome> and if paul doesn't win, also send him the sticker the first time
[22:21] <knome> done
[22:21] <elfy> we can do that 
[22:21] <pleia2> we should have several "winners"
[22:21] <pleia2> I have 20 of these things
[22:21] <knome> lol
[22:22] <pleia2> at least 5 for the cycle I'd say
[22:22] <elfy> but we need to once it's going have finite times 
[22:22] <knome> pleia2, the point is to do that for each milestone
[22:22] <pleia2> so 3 for each then
[22:22] <knome> pleia2, so a1, a2, b1, b2, final are possible per cycle
[22:22] <elfy> eg - after b1 - the next is for the next month - and on
[22:22] <knome> oh, month
[22:22] <pleia2> a1 is already gone
[22:22] <knome> i thought it was release, nvm :)
[22:23] <knome> pleia2, i'll tell you a secret... there will be another release cycle
[22:23] <pleia2> I'm playing this cycle by cycle, not so far in the future
[22:23] <pleia2> would be nice to give a sticker set to our QA lead and project lead too, off-band ;)
[22:23] <elfy> knome: there was - monthly, then milestones, then release - rinse repeat
[22:23] <knome> right, that works
[22:23] <knome> i was just misremembering
[22:23] <knome> and my head is full of snot
[22:24] <pleia2> ew
[22:24] <knome> i'm sorry
[22:24] <knome> dead brain cells then if that's better
[22:24] <elfy> and the same for packages 
[22:24] <knome> what if we simply made b1 the first target
[22:24] <knome> and see how it goes
[22:24] <elfy> wfm
[22:24] <ochosi> o/
[22:24] <knome> i can still do those digital certificates
[22:24]  * ochosi reads backlog...
[22:25] <knome> and the custom wallpaper for the release winner(s)
[22:25] <elfy> but we do need to do it monthly afterwards imo
[22:25] <pleia2> I'll send along a hand-written thank you as well
[22:25] <knome> pleia2, ++
[22:25] <elfy> milestones being seperately counted within the month
[22:25] <knome> elfy, that works for me, as long as we just get it started :)
[22:25] <elfy> yea ... 
[22:25] <pleia2> elfy: can you add a proposed schedule to the etherpad?
[22:26] <knome> or a new google cal :)
[22:26] <elfy> #action elfy Add proposed schedule to incentive pad
[22:26] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy Add proposed schedule to incentive pad
[22:26] <elfy> pleia2: yea - but not today :)
[22:26] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[22:27] <elfy> I think XPL and QA Lead should get t-shirt not stickers :p
[22:27] <ochosi> huhu
[22:27] <pleia2> elfy: thanks, no rush :) once we have some dates, we can decide how many "winners" each one and prep the blog post
[22:27] <ochosi> ok, caught up nw
[22:27] <pleia2> I only have one t-shirt and it's mine :D
[22:28] <pleia2> we can get more, but have to buy them and shipping
[22:28] <knome> i have moolah
[22:28] <elfy> lol 
[22:28] <elfy> really not serious :)
[22:28] <pleia2> it's a nice t-shirt though, we should link it to our site now that I've confirmed
[22:28] <ochosi> yup
[22:28] <ochosi> sounds good
[22:28] <pleia2> fits nice, feels nice
[22:28] <knome> tbh, sending a t-shirt for everybody who sticked along for a long enough time (tm) should get one
[22:29] <knome> *would be fair
[22:29] <ochosi> poor knome can't write/think anymore
[22:29] <knome> i don't need one if people think i just want one free myself
[22:29] <knome> :P
[22:29] <ochosi> get well again soon! :)
[22:29] <elfy> :)
[22:29] <knome> trying to..
[22:30] <ochosi> yeah, actually it would be a nice gesture
[22:30] <ochosi> can we ask for donations for something like that?
[22:30]  * ochosi always brings up the uncomfortable donations topic
[22:30] <knome> lol
[22:30] <knome> that's ok
[22:30] <knome> but seriously, we have that community fund
[22:30] <ochosi> yeah, but it's tiny
[22:31] <knome> it's been quite long and nothing has happened with that so far
[22:31] <knome> it's enough to send everyone a t-shirt
[22:31] <pleia2> no objections from me
[22:32] <knome> well tbe i'll have to double-check that, but i'm pretty sure it's ok
[22:32] <ochosi> yeah, but after that it's over
[22:32] <ochosi> but yeah, in general i'm +1 on the idea
[22:32] <knome> my point is that we haven't used it so far either
[22:32] <knome> and it's a long time since
[22:32] <knome> great, meetinglogy..
[22:32] <knome> +o
[22:32] <pleia2> I'll use Canonical Community funding for sticker shipments, which reminds me - Kubuntu folks use that funding *a lot* for conferences, so if any of us want to attend something for Xubuntu, we should keep that in mind
[22:32] <elfy> lol
[22:33] <knome> pleia2, get everyone to one conf
[22:33] <Unit193> #chair knome
[22:33] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 knome
[22:33] <pleia2> knome: that might be too much
[22:33] <Unit193> knome: Only lost a little log, then.  Nice.
[22:33] <pleia2> unless some of us are going anyway
[22:33] <knome> pleia2, like you? ;)
[22:33] <pleia2> usually me
[22:33] <knome> bluesabre is teh problem case
[22:33] <ochosi> pleia2: had i known, i had gone to fosdem...
[22:34] <pleia2> ochosi: they sound out talk acceptences quite late, so I didn't know until I mentioned it here-ish :\
[22:34] <knome> anyway
[22:34] <pleia2> anyway, that's a tangent
[22:34] <pleia2> sounds like we have a plan for stickers
[22:34] <knome> ochosi, how's the xfce bountysource stuff going?
[22:35] <Unit193> knome: Perhaps that should go in AOB?
[22:35] <ochosi> quite good actually
[22:35] <ochosi> lemme quickly check the funds
[22:36] <knome> Unit193, maybe.
[22:36] <knome> ochosi, i was asking because i was wondering if that was a realistic target for our "own" money
[22:36] <ochosi> about 1000$ for the team
[22:36] <ochosi> and 350$ on bugs
[22:37] <ochosi> so the 1000$ can be spent by the team for various causes, incl conferences or hackatons i think
[22:37] <ochosi> or as regular bug bounties
[22:37] <ochosi> the 350$ are bound to specific bugs
[22:37] <pleia2> nice
[22:38] <ochosi> so from my pov that was a success
[22:38] <knome> good
[22:38] <ochosi> it should be managed more actively though
[22:38] <ochosi> but that's a different story
[22:38] <knome> yep
[22:39] <Unit193> #topic Announcements
[22:41] <ochosi> #info More gtk3.14 theming fixes are about to come to greybird and numix in the near future
[22:41] <ochosi> that's about it from my side
[22:41] <ochosi> the rest is playing catch-up with what happened or didn't over the holidays
[22:41] <Unit193> The Calendar isn't loading properly for me, but there's a CC catch up coming up, IIRC.
[22:42] <elfy> 15th
[22:42] <knome> yup, 15th
[22:42] <knome> 17utc
[22:43] <Unit193> #info Community council catch-up is on the 15th, at 17utc.
[22:43] <Unit193> Cool, any more?
[22:43] <pleia2> I'm all done
[22:43] <knome> i'm all done as well .P
[22:43] <elfy> same
[22:44] <Unit193> So next up to schedule next meeting: Slickymaster!
[22:44] <Unit193> #endmeeting
[22:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan  5 22:44:46 2015 UTC.  
[22:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-01-05-22.00.moin.txt
[22:44] <elfy> thanks Unit193 
[22:44] <elfy> night all
[22:44] <knome> aaand we have a winner! ;)
[22:45] <ochosi> i'm heading to bed too
[22:45] <ochosi> night all!
[22:45] <knome> nighty
[22:45] <pleia2> night folks
[22:45] <ochosi> will be around again on the 7th, tomorrow is a public holiday \o/
[22:45] <ochosi> knome: and remember to get well again!
[22:45] <knome> heh
[22:45] <knome> i will
[22:46]  * knome snots and coughs for the effect
[22:57] <Unit193> Most sites when you login it redirects you to the page you were on, the Ubuntu wiki redirects you to the homepage...
[22:58] <pleia2> my solution is to never log out
[23:00] <Unit193> The other computer never logs out, this one uses non-persistent sessions. :P
[23:01] <Unit193> knome: For not talking much, you sure did a lot. ;)
[23:02] <knome> Unit193, right?
[23:02] <knome> maybe it's fair to compare that to how much i usually talk .P