[00:57] brainwash, I took your suggestion re the ppa, but no joy. I updated the bug report with the results. [00:58] this laptop is just a testbed for now so I'm willing to try anything on it. [07:30] morning everyone [09:28] ochosi: You again? :( [09:28] Unit193: yeah, me again. when's the next team meeting? :) [09:29] Monday. [09:30] ah right, that's today [09:35] Unless we have nothing, but in that case I'm more inclined to do a 3 minute meeting and get it over with already. :P [09:46] heh === paolo_ is now known as paolo [13:33] bluesabre: i've added support for a custom panel background for ubiquity's panel in greybird (git master) and also pushed a branch with the relevant changes to ubiquity to a branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/ubiquity/xubuntu-panel-bg [13:34] might do some more changes to greybird, but as soon as we have that version supporting it uploaded, i'd create the MR based on that branch [13:40] jjfrv8: you should also test a recent kernel version, 3.17 or 3.18 [13:42] jjfrv8: vivid still ships with 3.16. this could be reason why even upgrading to vivid did not fix the issue [13:46] brainwash, so then 3.16 was a regression? Because things worked fine in Trusty and then broke in Utopic. [13:47] jjfrv8: possible, things change rapidly [13:47] from 3.13 to 3.16 to 3.17/18 [13:48] if you can point me to a how-to on how to get .17 or .18, I'd be willing to try them. [13:49] easiest way would be to use http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [13:50] and install the deb file manually (+ header deb files if needed) [13:50] might try it this evening, off to work now. [13:51] sure, now we know at least that we don't need to blame the power manager :) [13:52] yup [13:55] would've been a small surprise anyway [13:55] ;) === cmars` is now known as cmars [15:39] ochosi: could make no sense of the diff (obviously) did the panel update I got today include the intelligent hide/shaded window issue? [15:39] hope not ... [15:44] elfy: yeah [15:44] that issue hasn't been entirely resolved yet [15:44] my patch needs some amendments before it can be mergred [15:44] merged [15:44] the diff linked to above was only for ubiquity and has nothing to do with our user-session [15:45] cool - that's fine - just wanted to make sure - as it hadn't worked here :D [15:45] another issue i noticed is regarding the clipboard in vivid [15:45] that seems to be strangely broken for me [15:45] mmmm [15:46] hey guys [15:46] hope everyone had a nice holidays [15:46] hey slickymasterWork [15:46] hi ochosi [15:46] elfy: does "mmmm" mean you see that too? [15:47] yeah, as i wasn't here for most of the holidays, i obviously had a good time ;) [15:47] unfortunately something come up and I won't be able to attend today's meeting [15:47] ochosi, elfy ^^^ [15:47] righty [15:47] i'm not sure i'll be back in time either [15:48] have a dinner @friends place [15:48] rarely use clipboards tbh - when I have been it's worked ok - what sort of issues are you seeing? [15:48] any way, I've sent the second call for translations to the ML, today [15:48] * anyway [15:49] ochosi slickymasterWork so - opinion on doing alpha 2 ? [15:49] i don't see any roadblocks for alpha2 currently [15:49] I don't see why we wouldn't [15:49] I meant whether to bother or not ? [15:49] in terms of getting more community testing, it might be a good step [15:50] it's not that much more work, tbh [15:50] slickymasterWork: lol - well I don't see why we would tbh [15:50] right, so your point is that nobody will test anyway? [15:50] if we were chucking stuff into the mix that we wanted testing from staging perhaps [15:50] why we wouldn't = just 4 additional test, not that much elfy [15:51] ochosi: not so much that - just whether there's an issue [15:51] slickymasterWork: if it was that simple I would agree - but it's not - sometimes they remember to set it up [15:51] of course, one could also do some package testing while at it ;) [15:51] if not there's chasing people in the right timezone to turn it on [15:52] then there's days of chasing to get it turned off again so we can carry on doing dailies [15:52] and the pointless exercise in doing release notes here there and everywhere for people to ignore [15:52] so , no it's not just 4 addition tests ;) [15:52] release notes pile up though [15:52] I see your point elfy, and I won't argue it because I know why it's a valid point, but if we're going to vote it, I'd be +1 on doing a2 [15:52] so it's not really useless to do them in the beginning [15:53] just means less work towards the end of the cycle [15:54] k - thanks - just wanted your opinions if you're not going to be there :) [15:54] sure :) [15:55] i'm curious to hear what the others have to say on the matter too [15:55] np elfy, even if my opinion means some extra work to you [15:55] sorry for that :P [15:55] :) [15:55] the workload should be shared among the release-team members though [15:55] I'm more likely to not releasing it to be honest :) [15:56] that includes bluesabre and me :) [15:56] though I would love to be proved wrong of course [15:56] ochosi: yep - I know :D [15:56] there are some major changes that warrant an a2 release imo [15:56] e.g. gtk3 update [15:57] but also systemd [15:57] systemd is still not default afaik [15:57] and THAT was the main reason for possibly doing A2 [16:01] oh it isn't [16:01] just checking that [16:01] i was under the impression it was [16:06] appears to not be systemd, PID1 is init and not systemd [16:15] elfy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1411-systemd-migration [16:15] still quite a few blockers [16:16] yep [16:16] I don't mind us doing it as such - just the main reason to take part this cycle in it - is missing :) [16:16] actually i'm talking to some folks in u-devel now [16:16] ok [16:17] seems like in the next grub release, ppl can choose whether to boot with upstart or systemd if both is installed [16:17] mmk [16:17] must be a new grub release, didn't notice this morning when I rebooted after that and panel updates [16:18] yeah, hasnt landed yet i think [16:18] okey doke [18:40] ochosi: the power manager is able to shutdown/hibernate/suspend the system after some inactivity, but what if the screen is locked in the meantime via light-locker? [18:40] now the power manager is not in command anymore [18:40] so, maybe not authorized to perform these actions anymore [18:41] the power manager is restricted by upower + polkit [18:43] bug 1319598 is currently assigned to xfpm, but is it really the one to blame? [18:43] bug 1319598 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power manager no longer suspends 'power manager not authorised'" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1319598 [21:56] ochosi: Yes the grub fix has landed, I saw the diff of /etc/grub.d/10_linux last update and noticed it was checking for inits. [22:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [22:00] Meeting started Mon Jan 5 22:00:01 2015 UTC. The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [22:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [22:00] Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting. Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [22:00] Anyone else here for it? [22:01] Oh yey, at least elfy is here. [22:01] yep [22:01] !team | Meeting time [22:01] Meeting time: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [22:01] o/ [22:01] #topic Open action items [22:02] just went to check grub ... [22:02] as I said earlier - not default ;) [22:02] elfy: Likely wouldn't be, systemd-sysv should be installed for that. [22:02] Alright, so I generally just see "elfy to converse with knome about QA processes" [22:02] yep [22:02] did that [22:03] Yey! That's all of them. [22:03] #topic Team updates [22:03] Free for all ^ [22:03] #info Received 20 bundles of stickers and Xubuntu stickers from unixstickers.com [22:03] \o/ [22:03] we can talk about those later :) [22:04] Yep, see that under discussion. [22:04] #info We should have xfce4-panel, xfce4-indicator-plugin, and thunar updates landing soon, new releases from Xfce. [22:04] Anyone else? [22:05] #topic Discussion items [22:05] #info 14/300 iso tests done in last 30 days [22:05] Ah, ouch... [22:06] #subtopic Discuss replacing gnome-calculator with galculator [22:06] I haven't done any, will remedy this (particularly as I prep for the QA event in SF next month) [22:06] Anyone there for this one? [22:06] I've done two upgrade tests, that's it. [22:06] I thought that that calc issue was going away and so no need to do anything [22:07] though I possibly misunderstood [22:07] I've not kept up with it at all [22:07] They may patch it so it doesn't have CSD anymore, which would be the biggest reason to get rid of it. [22:07] can't even remember what csd is ... [22:08] One of the two annoying new GNOME features, can't remember either which though. Alright, so moving on it is... [22:08] yep [22:08] #subtopic Alpha2 or ignore and just work with Beta's and Final? [22:09] so - given that systemd is NOT default [22:09] seemed to work fine to ignore them last cycle [22:09] the only reason that we were possibly going to do A2 was that [22:09] * pleia2 nods [22:09] ochosi seems to like the idea of doing it [22:10] so does slickymaster [22:10] I don't - lot of work for little gain - and ^^ for the main reason to not [22:10] though ochosi did point to gtk3 updates landed [22:11] Yes, yes they did. Some things seem a little..off. [22:11] but we've got a week to make a decision [22:11] Indeed. I just defer to you on it. [22:11] huh [22:11] hello [22:11] knome: Hello! [22:11] hey knome [22:11] fwiw, i'm still sick, so mostly watching [22:12] we'd need to have a decision 19th re A2 [22:12] knome: hi and :( [22:12] elfy: Otherwise, we have had a few xfce packages land, and are about to have a few more. [22:12] Anything else under this subtopic? [22:12] Unit193: properly land? [22:12] elfy: Yes. [22:12] k [22:12] from what i've seen, probably better skip a2 [22:13] we can probably use the time and effort better testing on something specific [22:13] frankly - it might be good to try and get things from staging into default - then I can see a reason [22:13] can people confirm they'll have time to do that? [22:14] that said - it might be good to do A2 - so that when there isn't sufficient testing then everyone will know I was serious about blocking release [22:14] knome: Two systems I use are already on vivid, so it's a lot easier to test specifics than installs. [22:15] knome: I guess that's down to ochosi and bluesabre mostly [22:15] elfy, i agree people need to take the possibility of blocking seriously, but otoh, i don't think that's the right way to go with it [22:16] elfy, want to take an action item before next week to ask dev people if they want to do the a2 release, or shall i? [22:16] I'm happy to do that [22:16] cheers [22:17] #elfy to talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2 [22:17] Need #action [22:17] lol [22:17] brain not working [22:18] #action elfy to talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2 [22:18] ACTION: elfy to talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2 [22:18] #subtopic We have stickers for QA contributors! Next step? [22:18] See: http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive [22:18] pleia2: ^ [22:18] right-o [22:18] so now that I have a pile of these, we should do the thing [22:18] i would say set it up for next milestone we're releasing [22:19] or, simply target beta 1 [22:19] target B1 [22:19] so we have enough time to inform people [22:19] will it only be testers for B1, or anyone who has tested up to and including B1? [22:19] pleia2: well - off the top of my head [22:19] and if we DO say that -team are excluded [22:20] then we are talking about PaulW2U [22:20] for the cycle up to now [22:21] otoh... it's not work in vain [22:21] we really need to finalise who is counted [22:21] well, the point is to encourage other folks, so it won't just be Paul :) [22:21] we can take those into account [22:21] and if paul doesn't win, also send him the sticker the first time [22:21] done [22:21] we can do that [22:21] we should have several "winners" [22:21] I have 20 of these things [22:21] lol [22:22] at least 5 for the cycle I'd say [22:22] but we need to once it's going have finite times [22:22] pleia2, the point is to do that for each milestone [22:22] so 3 for each then [22:22] pleia2, so a1, a2, b1, b2, final are possible per cycle [22:22] eg - after b1 - the next is for the next month - and on [22:22] oh, month [22:22] a1 is already gone [22:22] i thought it was release, nvm :) [22:23] pleia2, i'll tell you a secret... there will be another release cycle [22:23] I'm playing this cycle by cycle, not so far in the future [22:23] would be nice to give a sticker set to our QA lead and project lead too, off-band ;) [22:23] knome: there was - monthly, then milestones, then release - rinse repeat [22:23] right, that works [22:23] i was just misremembering [22:23] and my head is full of snot [22:24] ew [22:24] i'm sorry [22:24] dead brain cells then if that's better [22:24] and the same for packages [22:24] what if we simply made b1 the first target [22:24] and see how it goes [22:24] wfm [22:24] o/ [22:24] i can still do those digital certificates [22:24] * ochosi reads backlog... [22:25] and the custom wallpaper for the release winner(s) [22:25] but we do need to do it monthly afterwards imo [22:25] I'll send along a hand-written thank you as well [22:25] pleia2, ++ [22:25] milestones being seperately counted within the month [22:25] elfy, that works for me, as long as we just get it started :) [22:25] yea ... [22:25] elfy: can you add a proposed schedule to the etherpad? [22:26] or a new google cal :) [22:26] #action elfy Add proposed schedule to incentive pad [22:26] ACTION: elfy Add proposed schedule to incentive pad [22:26] pleia2: yea - but not today :) [22:26] hi ochosi [22:27] I think XPL and QA Lead should get t-shirt not stickers :p [22:27] huhu [22:27] elfy: thanks, no rush :) once we have some dates, we can decide how many "winners" each one and prep the blog post [22:27] ok, caught up nw [22:27] I only have one t-shirt and it's mine :D [22:28] we can get more, but have to buy them and shipping [22:28] i have moolah [22:28] lol [22:28] really not serious :) [22:28] it's a nice t-shirt though, we should link it to our site now that I've confirmed [22:28] yup [22:28] sounds good [22:28] fits nice, feels nice [22:28] tbh, sending a t-shirt for everybody who sticked along for a long enough time (tm) should get one [22:29] *would be fair [22:29] poor knome can't write/think anymore [22:29] i don't need one if people think i just want one free myself [22:29] :P [22:29] get well again soon! :) [22:29] :) [22:29] trying to.. [22:30] yeah, actually it would be a nice gesture [22:30] can we ask for donations for something like that? [22:30] * ochosi always brings up the uncomfortable donations topic [22:30] lol [22:30] that's ok [22:30] but seriously, we have that community fund [22:30] yeah, but it's tiny [22:31] it's been quite long and nothing has happened with that so far [22:31] it's enough to send everyone a t-shirt [22:31] no objections from me [22:32] well tbe i'll have to double-check that, but i'm pretty sure it's ok [22:32] yeah, but after that it's over [22:32] but yeah, in general i'm +1 on the idea [22:32] my point is that we haven't used it so far either [22:32] and it's a long time since [22:32] great, meetinglogy.. [22:32] +o [22:32] I'll use Canonical Community funding for sticker shipments, which reminds me - Kubuntu folks use that funding *a lot* for conferences, so if any of us want to attend something for Xubuntu, we should keep that in mind [22:32] lol [22:33] pleia2, get everyone to one conf [22:33] #chair knome [22:33] Current chairs: Unit193 knome [22:33] knome: that might be too much [22:33] knome: Only lost a little log, then. Nice. [22:33] unless some of us are going anyway [22:33] pleia2, like you? ;) [22:33] usually me [22:33] bluesabre is teh problem case [22:33] pleia2: had i known, i had gone to fosdem... [22:34] ochosi: they sound out talk acceptences quite late, so I didn't know until I mentioned it here-ish :\ [22:34] anyway [22:34] anyway, that's a tangent [22:34] sounds like we have a plan for stickers [22:34] ochosi, how's the xfce bountysource stuff going? [22:35] knome: Perhaps that should go in AOB? [22:35] quite good actually [22:35] lemme quickly check the funds [22:36] Unit193, maybe. [22:36] ochosi, i was asking because i was wondering if that was a realistic target for our "own" money [22:36] about 1000$ for the team [22:36] and 350$ on bugs [22:37] so the 1000$ can be spent by the team for various causes, incl conferences or hackatons i think [22:37] or as regular bug bounties [22:37] the 350$ are bound to specific bugs [22:37] nice [22:38] so from my pov that was a success [22:38] good [22:38] it should be managed more actively though [22:38] but that's a different story [22:38] yep [22:39] #topic Announcements [22:41] #info More gtk3.14 theming fixes are about to come to greybird and numix in the near future [22:41] that's about it from my side [22:41] the rest is playing catch-up with what happened or didn't over the holidays [22:41] The Calendar isn't loading properly for me, but there's a CC catch up coming up, IIRC. [22:42] 15th [22:42] yup, 15th [22:42] 17utc [22:43] #info Community council catch-up is on the 15th, at 17utc. [22:43] Cool, any more? [22:43] I'm all done [22:43] i'm all done as well .P [22:43] same [22:44] So next up to schedule next meeting: Slickymaster! [22:44] #endmeeting [22:44] Meeting ended Mon Jan 5 22:44:46 2015 UTC. [22:44] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-01-05-22.00.moin.txt [22:44] thanks Unit193 [22:44] night all [22:44] aaand we have a winner! ;) [22:45] i'm heading to bed too [22:45] night all! [22:45] nighty [22:45] night folks [22:45] will be around again on the 7th, tomorrow is a public holiday \o/ [22:45] knome: and remember to get well again! [22:45] heh [22:45] i will [22:46] * knome snots and coughs for the effect [22:57] Most sites when you login it redirects you to the page you were on, the Ubuntu wiki redirects you to the homepage... [22:58] my solution is to never log out [23:00] The other computer never logs out, this one uses non-persistent sessions. :P [23:01] knome: For not talking much, you sure did a lot. ;) [23:02] Unit193, right? [23:02] maybe it's fair to compare that to how much i usually talk .P