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gijeo3kAre we allowed to post links to bug reports here?00:24
brainwashgijeo3k: why shouldn't you be allowed to?00:28
gijeo3koh I don't know, some channels are weird that way and I am kind of a newb00:29
brainwashhowever, I'm not sure if we are able to help you with resolving your issue. usually you should keep the discussion in the bug report00:30
brainwashand add a comment to it00:30
brainwashbut feel free to ask00:31
anti-unixhi00:37
chrispage1980Hi, I have a question.. Well actually I have two now.. Firstly, Can someone tell me if Xubuntu ( 14.04.01 ) is opening port 7117 by way upnp and for what purpose or it is something else I've installed myself and secondly why the support channel is blocking PrivateInternetAccess VPN IP now?01:18
pleia2chrispage1980: I don't have 7117 open on any of my systems, so it must be something you've installed01:19
chrispage1980ty01:19
pleia2I don't know what "PrivateInternetAccess VPN IP" is01:19
chrispage1980I wasn't able to log onto the support channel without disconnecting my VPN connection.01:19
pleia2that's a bit vague :) VPNs can be configured in hundreds of ways so there is no way for us to tell without knowing how yours is configured why it's being blocked01:20
pleia2could be that your VPN doesn't allow connection to the IRC port, or the internet connection it's coming from is blocked from Freenode, or dozens of other things01:22
chrispage1980I'm using OPENVPN inside dd-wrt, it's no biggie, I just found it strange. I know the IP I would show is used by many connections so I'm assuming the server IP I'm currently connected to is being blocked.01:23
chrispage1980thanks for help I will go find what is opening the ports.01:24
Unit193sudo netstat -lnp | greo 711701:25
Unit193chrispage1980: Which support channel?  This one?01:25
chrispage1980Yes this one.01:25
chrispage1980Found it, nothing scary :) It was Skype.01:31
daychildeOkay, I'm kinda of a Linux newbie, so I don't even know the right terms to search for… I'm running a single monitor under xubuntu, and I'd like to separate it into two different workspaces at the same time, i.e. specify a portion for workspace #1 and a portion for workspace #2. At least, I think that's what I want to do. It would give me some advantages01:35
daychildelike being able to maximize an application in one workspace while always being able to see the contents of the second workspace (like an IM/chat app in a tall/narrow workspace) - and send apps back and forth and such. Is such a thing possible? What terms am I looking to google for on how to do it?01:35
bazhangwhat do you mean by "send apps back and forth"01:37
daychildeLike how you can send an application to a specific workspace01:38
bazhangthats the send part, what about back and forth01:38
daychildeSorry, bad phrasing on my part. I just mean that you can specify in which workspace an application appears. Later, if you change that, you'd be moving it "back and forth" between workspaces. Again, bad phrasing on my part, sorry.01:39
bazhanghttp://askubuntu.com/questions/150066/split-monitor-in-two01:41
bazhangperhaps that might help with the split screen part01:41
daychildedefinitely give it a look, thanks :)01:42
bazhangI dont really see the sense or reason to send apps back and forth, though01:42
bazhang!info xmonad01:43
ubottuxmonad (source: xmonad): Lightweight X11 window manager written in Haskell. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11-8 (utopic), package size 394 kB, installed size 1941 kB01:43
daychildeWell, my intended use scenario would be to define a tall/narrow space to run IM, as I said; which would always be visible and accessible, while I maximize other apps on the other workspace...01:43
daychildeYou're really focusing on the "back and forth" which as I said was not well-phrased on my part. Once I sent the IM app to its place, there would be any back and forth in the sense you're misreading my meaning.........01:44
bazhangIM as in yahoo chat type IM, or IRC01:44
daychildeSure, basically. Doesn't matter, because I have several scenarios in mind, but this seemed the easiest to explain.01:45
daychildeIt doesn't matter what apps run in the two spaces, the simple capability of having the two spaces means I can play with them and do what makes sense to me.01:45
bazhangwell the IRC one might be potentially doable01:46
daychildeIn fact, for example, depending on if it's easy to change or not, I might divide the monitor into three spaces and have a small terminal, an area for IM, and then the "main" area for my browser/email (to switch back and forth)....01:46
bazhangif you want it all GUI-y it would be harder, but the link above might help with that01:46
bazhangif it's command line, then either screen and irssi01:47
daychildeI've used screen/irssi both, adn they don't do anything like what I'm thinking of, although they are both awesome :) As you said, they're CLI, and what I'm thinking of will be dividing up graphical space. lol. Like people seeking to make multiple monitors each into their own workspace, only I'm looking to divide a single monitor into multiple workspaces --01:48
daychildebut you've giving me a couple of things to look at and I haven't looked at them fully yet :)01:48
bazhangalthough if you were on gnome-shell, you could alt-tab between running apps in a coverflow type situation01:49
bazhangthats a very nifty experience if you've never tried it01:50
daychildeA quick google seems to indicate that's a method for switching between apps.... I have alt-tab right now.... I'm not talking about switching between apps like that at all.01:50
bazhangyes, but the way it's done is a kind of 3D rotating method, otherwise what you probably want is a tiling WM01:51
bazhangcovered in the askubuntu link above01:52
bazhanglots of choices, may not be exactly what you are looking for, but hope that helps a bit01:53
daychildeDef gives me places to go, thanks :)01:54
bazhangfunnily enough, one of the choices is 'awesome' <--- exactly that name01:55
bazhangnp01:55
Unit193!info awesomewm01:57
ubottuPackage awesomewm does not exist in utopic01:57
Unit193Meh.01:57
bazhang!find awesome01:58
ubottuFound: awesome, awesome-extra, fonts-font-awesome, ruby-awesome-nested-set01:58
squeegily_Is Xubuntu 12.04.5 stable?02:14
squeegily_Or should I opt for 12.04.4?02:14
pleia2Xubuntu 12.04 is only supported for another 4 months or so, I'd recommend 14.0402:14
pleia2but 12.04.5 is good, and has important security updates that .4 does not have02:15
Unit193If you run updates in .4, you'll be at the same level as if you'd just installed .5.  But yes, I'd recommend 14.04 over that, moreso if you have newer hardware.02:16
squeegily_I have an Acer Aspire One 751h02:18
squeegily_The newer kernel has some issues02:18
squeegily_I can't even play an MP3 on a VT with mplayer02:18
squeegily_pleia2: So you say 12.04.5 has some security updates?02:19
pleia2squeegily_: yes, that's what makes it .502:19
pleia2with a few execeptions, changes in released versions are only major bug and security fixes02:19
squeegily_I heard that there's some sort of operation to backport LTS kernels to older versions of Ubuntu. How can I make sure I do *not* get the newer kernel versions?02:19
pleia2you don't do the operation to enable them02:20
pleia2it's not automatic02:20
squeegily_"In an effort to support a wider variety of hardware on an existing LTS release, the 12.04.2 and newer point releases will ship with an updated kernel and X stack by default." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack02:20
squeegily_It seems automatic enough02:20
squeegily_How can I make sure I keep the outdated kernel?02:21
pleia2ah02:21
pleia2the first three bullet-points of the link you just shared give some suggestions02:21
squeegily_Oh no it looks like I should have downloaded the older installation media02:23
squeegily_"anyone installing and wishing to remain on the original 12.04 stack to please install from the 12.04.0 or 12.04.1 media"02:23
squeegily_perfect02:23
Unit193.4 ships with 3.2.0-58.8802:25
squeegily_Ugh I can't find xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso or xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso.torrent02:26
bazhang!torrents02:26
ubottuXubuntu Utopic (14.10) torrents can be downloaded from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/utopic/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent and http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/utopic/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent02:26
squeegily_bazhang: I am looking specifically for Xubuntu 12.04.1. 14.04 or 12.04.2+ are unacceptable02:27
squeegily_Which is why I asked specifically for 12.04.102:28
squeegily_But I did find a mirror02:28
bazhangok02:31
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daychildeHalp. :( I installed xmonad, decided it wasn't for me, unisntalled, and now I have... no window manager? My xfce panel remains, but all new windows open at top left and I can't resize or move them...03:07
daychildeAlso, in Settings, clicking Window Manager is just waiting, nothing happens. Also also, I'd backed up ~/.config and restored it after uninstalling xmonad03:08
xubuntu51wHello03:17
daychildeSo I'm to the point of figuring out that my user isn't starting xfwm4 at launch. Should I just add that to startup, or is there a place in a config to set it?03:54
Zerena<-- Looking for linux skills.. Ovh server admin. Co-Partner.04:31
ExecutionerI'm getting a hang when using the alternative installer of 12.04, are there any logs to check or something I can go around and look at what causes that?04:37
xubuntu56wIn the task manager. what is diferent between terminate stop and kill ? can this commands mess up the system ? if i stop a process or a program will the system works normal after a restart ?04:38
Executionerkilling is force-stopping the program without it even knowing it04:40
Executionerregular stop means sending a signal to quit04:40
xubuntu56wfirefox was hanging and i cud hardly stop it with these commands. it needed some time.04:44
Executionerwell, sigkill is pretty much instant, depends on the load of your system04:45
Executionerif you're willing the use the terminal, you could install htop, and using Ctrl+Alt+F1 (or any number up to 6) to switch to it. You can return to your GUI with Ctrl+Alt+F7.04:47
Executioner(htop is like a task manager, but described as an interactive process viewer)04:47
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xubuntu18whi09:13
xubuntu18wis there anybody09:13
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Yonexhello guys :)13:59
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mucushowdy!  how do i terminate and restart thunar?14:54
ochosimucus: Thunar -q14:55
ochosior if that doesn't work you can always "killall Thunar"14:55
mucusshould term give me some info about that, or is it rather silent?14:56
ochosisilent14:56
mucusthank you ochosi15:00
ochosinp mucus15:02
mucusalrighty, so i have a bunch of space free at /dev/sda3  but no space at /dev/root how can i create a link so /root will use space on /sda3 ?15:12
mucusi thought i could do ln -s /dev/root /dev/sda315:12
mucusbut i don't think that did it15:12
ochosiyou have to resize the partition15:14
ochositry e.g. gparted15:14
ochosimucus: ^15:14
mucus>_>15:28
mucuscan't install gparted because the partition is full15:28
mucusi guess i can grab a package and install it at /dev/sda3 right?15:29
holsteinmucus: i would use a live environment15:33
holsteini dont resize even unused partitions on the same drive i am on.. i backup *everything* before resizing, and use a live environment15:33
mucusarhf uhg15:37
mucusi wish i was better at all of this stuff15:38
holsteinmucus: its not trivial, necessarily, to be resizing partitions.. i say, plan for total failure, and allow yourself the opportunity to make mistakes.. *all* drives will fail, so plan for that happening,and you will have all your data safely backed up properly15:39
holsteinmucus: what is the goal?15:39
mucusthe partition /dev/root is saying it's full.  the partition /dev/sda3 (or /dev/var) has 1.7 tera15:40
mucusi want root to have access to that space15:40
mucusi was thinking i could simply symlink root to /sda315:42
holstein!sudo15:43
ubottusudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo15:43
holsteinmucus: mbut, you *dont* need to give root access to that space. you can use a live environment to resize.. or, do more research15:44
holsteinmucus: you could have failing hardware that is reporting an issue like that15:44
mucusreporting an issue like what?15:45
mucusoh, out of space?15:45
mucusi believe it's out of space it had next to nothing15:45
holsteinmucus: sure.. im suggesting the "out of space" message can be actually not about the space at all, but failing hardware15:47
holsteinat least, that is something i would want to rule out..15:47
mucusthis is a dedi i'm leasing, i suppose hardware /could/ be an issue. . .15:48
holsteinmucus: you mean, a dedicated host? at a hosting company? if so, its likely a customized version of ubuntu, and not ubuntu at all.. you will likely need to ask them for support15:50
mucusyes, but i've installed ubu myself and then xfce because that's best15:50
xubuntu81wI am following a walk through to install a program but have an error of  " autoreconfig,  command not found " as a total newbie help would be appreciated. have tried install autoconfig and says16:00
holsteinmucus: you should have access to do normal diagnostics.. test with some live iso, and poke around on the actual hardware, or virtual hardware..16:00
xubuntu81wis the latest version16:01
holsteinxubuntu81w: if you are a "total newbie", i say, dont build your own software. use what is in the repos, or add a ppa..16:01
mucusactual hardware, thankfully16:01
koegsxubuntu81w: which software? what walkthrough?16:04
xubuntu81whttp://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu16:06
xubuntu81wkoegs  installing on 14.0416:07
holsteinxubuntu81w: just use this ppa https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/ubuntu/fldigi16:07
xangua!info fldigi16:08
ubottufldigi (source: fldigi): digital modem program for hamradio operators. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.21.83-1 (utopic), package size 1602 kB, installed size 5821 kB16:08
holsteinHA!.. even easier..16:08
holsteinxubuntu81w: just open the package manager of your choice, and install it from the default repos16:08
xubuntu81wI am actually trying DL-FLDIGI, which is a variant used to track High Altitude Ballons and send the data straight to the the onlinr tracking page16:11
holsteinxubuntu81w: cool!.. just ask the creators for support on installing the software they create16:19
xubuntu81wholstein  it was a toss up which came first , but having looked on the web was inclined that it might be something I was missing16:26
holsteinxubuntu81w: i actually have been using ubuntu for a long time. i personally rarely build from source like that.. and when i do, i encounter a list of things i need to do to make the package work..16:27
xubuntu81wholstein ok so if you enter the instruction as it is written it works, ( I now have a sore forehead from banging it on the desk) thanks for your help16:41
holsteinxubuntu81w: cool.. glad you got it sorted16:53
squeegily_I want to completely purge PulseAudio from my system. What will this break and how should I fix it?17:07
mucussqueegily_: why are you purging pulseaudio?17:08
squeegily_mucus: Because it doesn't work on my machine. Any audo that gets sent through it turns nearly to static17:08
mucusoh, well... that sounds awful17:08
squeegily_Yeah.. fortunately ALSA works17:09
squeegily_But I realized that since PulseAudio is literally nonfunctional, I might as well remove it to save space, boot time, etc17:09
mucusmy usual feeling though is "computers have sound?"17:09
squeegily_And to eliminate the possibility of it being used as the default audio device (especially for applications that can't manually configure their audio output)17:10
mucusand don't audio dealies tie into the kernel?  so it would be impossible to totally remove it?17:10
mucusunless yo compile a new kernel. . . .17:10
squeegily_mucus: Well, I want to remove all the components of PA that I can17:11
squeegily_Since nothing that was going to use it would work anyway17:11
holsteinsqueegily_: just remove it, you can easily put it back, if needed17:12
mucuscan't you go to the software center and click the handy remove button?17:12
squeegily_I'm wondering what things to look out for.. like if it's not going to boot due to a service dependency or something ridiculous17:13
squeegily_I just want to know if there are any known "gotchas" when removing this from Xubuntu17:13
holsteinsqueegily_: why? if you want to remove it, go for it.. removing is, generally *is* in its self what to "watch out for"17:14
holsteinsqueegily_: the gotchas will be obvious as you go through,a nd you can put it back, easily17:14
holsteinsqueegily_: i mean, no one will say "just rip pulse out, no worries".. but, if you want to remove it, go for it17:15
squeegily_Okay17:15
squeegily_I'll report back if it works :)17:15
drcsqueegily_: A quick google search show lots of folks saying it <will> cause problems, but no one says exactly how.  I've personally done it and saw no adverse effects.  That said I'd just DISABLE it to see what happens on your machine.17:15
holsteinsqueegily_: no need..17:15
holsteinsqueegily_: this is "at your own risk".. if you want to, go for it..17:16
drcoh...but then there is this http://askubuntu.com/questions/489609/how-can-i-cleanly-remove-pulseaudio-in-ubuntu-14-04 saying by disabling it will be respawned by the init system.17:18
drcIt then goes on to tell you how to kill it and tell it not to respawn.17:20
drcSo...Have fun :)17:20
mucusalrighty i want to swap to nuatilus fm from thunar18:02
mucusi've gone ahead and grabbed the nautilus package18:02
mucuswhat esle do i need to do?18:02
holsteinmucus: i would just search soemthing like "running nautilus with xubuntu" or "running nautilus with xfce".. otherwise, it is suggested you use thunar18:02
holsteinshould still be similar to http://askubuntu.com/questions/403892/how-can-i-start-nautilus-on-xubuntu-xfce-via-the-shortcuts-in-the-xfce-panels18:03
holsteinhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/169036/use-nautilus-with-xfce-as-default-file-manager for example18:04
holsteinwhen i have used it in the past, i just use nautilus by using the "no desktop" option.. and actually just leave thunar in place..18:05
holsteindepends on the need/goal, i suppose18:05
mucushm.18:07
mucusnaut is really ugly18:07
mucusand my goal is to be able to right click on dropbox files and get a public link18:07
holsteinmucus: i do that in the web portal18:09
holsteinanyways.. http://www.webupd8.org/2012/08/how-to-install-dropbox-in-xubuntu-and.html18:09
mucusyeah you can do that18:09
mucusi have db installed already18:09
holstein^ that is how to use dropbox and thunar, which i have also done18:09
mucusbut i like in windows how i can right click files18:09
mucusand get links18:09
holsteinmucus: sure, and nothing about xubuntu/thunar is preventing dropbox from providing that for you18:10
mucusi see that now!18:10
holsteinmucus: try the tool that is suggested in the link18:10
mucusthanks!18:10
holsteinmucus: if it doesnt work, consider a compromise,a nd let dropbox know you would like a tool for the operating system/file manager you are using18:11
holsteini personally bothered setting it up once, and now, i just go directly to the web portal.. but, i personally try and not install dropbox anymore, since i dont need it installed to use it18:11
mucushow do i install something from term?18:17
holstein!details | mucus18:18
ubottumucus: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)18:18
holsteinlike, *exactly* what you are trying to install, and why18:18
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware18:18
mucusthe dropbox thunar extension18:18
mucusbut it freezes the software center18:18
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#Via_a_Text_Based_Methods specifically18:18
holsteinthat .deb may not work.. its not "supported". but, i would just try it with http://askubuntu.com/questions/40779/how-do-i-install-a-deb-file-via-the-command-line18:19
mucusholstein: thanks, i got it running now!18:27
mucuswanna try to peg another issue with me?  my top panel obscures part of the icons on my desktop, and it covers the top part of windows as well.  how do i fix this sizing issue?18:28
holsteinmucus: many ways18:28
holsteinmucus: you can share a screenshot to better describe your issue for a volunteer18:28
mucusholstein:  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9530983/Screenshot%20-%20050115%20-%2013%3A33%3A27.png  and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9530983/Screenshot%20-%20050115%20-%2013%3A34%3A05.png18:38
holsteinmucus: i find that, after logging out and back in, my icons are where i expect them to be, after having messed with my panels18:41
holsteinmucus: i say, try that.. if its not "as expected", you can go from there.. with many ideas, fixes, and work arounds18:41
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xubuntu18wHi, I have quick question :)  What format is best of external HDD (160GB)? I need use it on linux and Windows. Do you have some tips?23:19
drcxubuntu18w: All my external/USB hdd's that even might be dual OS usable are formated NTSF.23:20
drcAnd the only reason NTSF over FAT32 is because FAT32 doesn't plays well with using/backing up symlinks (which I tend to use frequently)23:23
xubuntu18wdrc> Thx! But I read NTSF work slow under Linux. But I dont have idea, is it actual.23:24
drcNo idea, but my external hdd's are not the "primary use" hdds...they hold audio/video files that usually only get "played" not "played with".23:26
bazhangntfs support has been very good for a very long time23:26
bazhangunless you meant nfs23:27
drcor Backup Media, which really doesn't get used a lot (unless I do something stupid.23:27
bazhangie, as a shared storage area23:27
bazhangfat is ok, but the file size limitation in the age of bluray etc is an issue23:28
bazhang4.3gb iirc23:28
xubuntu18wThx, you help me very well!  I need it for music video and some backup.  I go to NTFS.23:29
bazhangnp23:29
bazhang:)23:29
xubuntu18wHave a nice day!23:30
bazhangsame to you!23:30
* drc forgot about the file size limitations.23:33
zakmcHi, after installing xubuntu 14.10 (32bit), I get really bad wlan performance. From around 20 mbit/s before the reinstall down to ~1 mbit/s or less.23:40
zakmcKernel 3.16.0-28-generic using the rt2x00 driver. Also, dmesg is flooded by flush queue warnings23:43
zakmcis there a way to force the use of the rt61pci driver?23:43
bazhangblacklist the one, modprobe the other23:45

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