[00:24] <gijeo3k> Are we allowed to post links to bug reports here?
[00:28] <brainwash> gijeo3k: why shouldn't you be allowed to?
[00:29] <gijeo3k> oh I don't know, some channels are weird that way and I am kind of a newb
[00:30] <brainwash> however, I'm not sure if we are able to help you with resolving your issue. usually you should keep the discussion in the bug report
[00:30] <brainwash> and add a comment to it
[00:31] <brainwash> but feel free to ask
[00:37] <anti-unix> hi
[01:18] <chrispage1980> Hi, I have a question.. Well actually I have two now.. Firstly, Can someone tell me if Xubuntu ( 14.04.01 ) is opening port 7117 by way upnp and for what purpose or it is something else I've installed myself and secondly why the support channel is blocking PrivateInternetAccess VPN IP now?
[01:19] <pleia2> chrispage1980: I don't have 7117 open on any of my systems, so it must be something you've installed
[01:19] <chrispage1980> ty
[01:19] <pleia2> I don't know what "PrivateInternetAccess VPN IP" is
[01:19] <chrispage1980> I wasn't able to log onto the support channel without disconnecting my VPN connection.
[01:20] <pleia2> that's a bit vague :) VPNs can be configured in hundreds of ways so there is no way for us to tell without knowing how yours is configured why it's being blocked
[01:22] <pleia2> could be that your VPN doesn't allow connection to the IRC port, or the internet connection it's coming from is blocked from Freenode, or dozens of other things
[01:23] <chrispage1980> I'm using OPENVPN inside dd-wrt, it's no biggie, I just found it strange. I know the IP I would show is used by many connections so I'm assuming the server IP I'm currently connected to is being blocked.
[01:24] <chrispage1980> thanks for help I will go find what is opening the ports.
[01:25] <Unit193> sudo netstat -lnp | greo 7117
[01:25] <Unit193> chrispage1980: Which support channel?  This one?
[01:25] <chrispage1980> Yes this one.
[01:31] <chrispage1980> Found it, nothing scary :) It was Skype.
[01:35] <daychilde> Okay, I'm kinda of a Linux newbie, so I don't even know the right terms to search for… I'm running a single monitor under xubuntu, and I'd like to separate it into two different workspaces at the same time, i.e. specify a portion for workspace #1 and a portion for workspace #2. At least, I think that's what I want to do. It would give me some advantages
[01:35] <daychilde> like being able to maximize an application in one workspace while always being able to see the contents of the second workspace (like an IM/chat app in a tall/narrow workspace) - and send apps back and forth and such. Is such a thing possible? What terms am I looking to google for on how to do it?
[01:37] <bazhang> what do you mean by "send apps back and forth"
[01:38] <daychilde> Like how you can send an application to a specific workspace
[01:38] <bazhang> thats the send part, what about back and forth
[01:39] <daychilde> Sorry, bad phrasing on my part. I just mean that you can specify in which workspace an application appears. Later, if you change that, you'd be moving it "back and forth" between workspaces. Again, bad phrasing on my part, sorry.
[01:41] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/150066/split-monitor-in-two
[01:41] <bazhang> perhaps that might help with the split screen part
[01:42] <daychilde> definitely give it a look, thanks :)
[01:42] <bazhang> I dont really see the sense or reason to send apps back and forth, though
[01:43] <bazhang> !info xmonad
[01:43] <daychilde> Well, my intended use scenario would be to define a tall/narrow space to run IM, as I said; which would always be visible and accessible, while I maximize other apps on the other workspace...
[01:44] <daychilde> You're really focusing on the "back and forth" which as I said was not well-phrased on my part. Once I sent the IM app to its place, there would be any back and forth in the sense you're misreading my meaning.........
[01:44] <bazhang> IM as in yahoo chat type IM, or IRC
[01:45] <daychilde> Sure, basically. Doesn't matter, because I have several scenarios in mind, but this seemed the easiest to explain.
[01:45] <daychilde> It doesn't matter what apps run in the two spaces, the simple capability of having the two spaces means I can play with them and do what makes sense to me.
[01:46] <bazhang> well the IRC one might be potentially doable
[01:46] <daychilde> In fact, for example, depending on if it's easy to change or not, I might divide the monitor into three spaces and have a small terminal, an area for IM, and then the "main" area for my browser/email (to switch back and forth)....
[01:46] <bazhang> if you want it all GUI-y it would be harder, but the link above might help with that
[01:47] <bazhang> if it's command line, then either screen and irssi
[01:48] <daychilde> I've used screen/irssi both, adn they don't do anything like what I'm thinking of, although they are both awesome :) As you said, they're CLI, and what I'm thinking of will be dividing up graphical space. lol. Like people seeking to make multiple monitors each into their own workspace, only I'm looking to divide a single monitor into multiple workspaces --
[01:48] <daychilde> but you've giving me a couple of things to look at and I haven't looked at them fully yet :)
[01:49] <bazhang> although if you were on gnome-shell, you could alt-tab between running apps in a coverflow type situation
[01:50] <bazhang> thats a very nifty experience if you've never tried it
[01:50] <daychilde> A quick google seems to indicate that's a method for switching between apps.... I have alt-tab right now.... I'm not talking about switching between apps like that at all.
[01:51] <bazhang> yes, but the way it's done is a kind of 3D rotating method, otherwise what you probably want is a tiling WM
[01:52] <bazhang> covered in the askubuntu link above
[01:53] <bazhang> lots of choices, may not be exactly what you are looking for, but hope that helps a bit
[01:54] <daychilde> Def gives me places to go, thanks :)
[01:55] <bazhang> funnily enough, one of the choices is 'awesome' <--- exactly that name
[01:55] <bazhang> np
[01:57] <Unit193> !info awesomewm
[01:57] <Unit193> Meh.
[01:58] <bazhang> !find awesome
[02:14] <squeegily_> Is Xubuntu 12.04.5 stable?
[02:14] <squeegily_> Or should I opt for 12.04.4?
[02:14] <pleia2> Xubuntu 12.04 is only supported for another 4 months or so, I'd recommend 14.04
[02:15] <pleia2> but 12.04.5 is good, and has important security updates that .4 does not have
[02:16] <Unit193> If you run updates in .4, you'll be at the same level as if you'd just installed .5.  But yes, I'd recommend 14.04 over that, moreso if you have newer hardware.
[02:18] <squeegily_> I have an Acer Aspire One 751h
[02:18] <squeegily_> The newer kernel has some issues
[02:18] <squeegily_> I can't even play an MP3 on a VT with mplayer
[02:19] <squeegily_> pleia2: So you say 12.04.5 has some security updates?
[02:19] <pleia2> squeegily_: yes, that's what makes it .5
[02:19] <pleia2> with a few execeptions, changes in released versions are only major bug and security fixes
[02:19] <squeegily_> I heard that there's some sort of operation to backport LTS kernels to older versions of Ubuntu. How can I make sure I do *not* get the newer kernel versions?
[02:20] <pleia2> you don't do the operation to enable them
[02:20] <pleia2> it's not automatic
[02:20] <squeegily_> "In an effort to support a wider variety of hardware on an existing LTS release, the 12.04.2 and newer point releases will ship with an updated kernel and X stack by default." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[02:20] <squeegily_> It seems automatic enough
[02:21] <squeegily_> How can I make sure I keep the outdated kernel?
[02:21] <pleia2> ah
[02:21] <pleia2> the first three bullet-points of the link you just shared give some suggestions
[02:23] <squeegily_> Oh no it looks like I should have downloaded the older installation media
[02:23] <squeegily_> "anyone installing and wishing to remain on the original 12.04 stack to please install from the 12.04.0 or 12.04.1 media"
[02:23] <squeegily_> perfect
[02:25] <Unit193> .4 ships with 3.2.0-58.88
[02:26] <squeegily_> Ugh I can't find xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso or xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[02:26] <bazhang> !torrents
[02:27] <squeegily_> bazhang: I am looking specifically for Xubuntu 12.04.1. 14.04 or 12.04.2+ are unacceptable
[02:28] <squeegily_> Which is why I asked specifically for 12.04.1
[02:28] <squeegily_> But I did find a mirror
[02:31] <bazhang> ok
[03:07] <daychilde> Halp. :( I installed xmonad, decided it wasn't for me, unisntalled, and now I have... no window manager? My xfce panel remains, but all new windows open at top left and I can't resize or move them...
[03:08] <daychilde> Also, in Settings, clicking Window Manager is just waiting, nothing happens. Also also, I'd backed up ~/.config and restored it after uninstalling xmonad
[03:17] <xubuntu51w> Hello
[03:54] <daychilde> So I'm to the point of figuring out that my user isn't starting xfwm4 at launch. Should I just add that to startup, or is there a place in a config to set it?
[04:31] <Zerena> <-- Looking for linux skills.. Ovh server admin. Co-Partner.
[04:37] <Executioner> I'm getting a hang when using the alternative installer of 12.04, are there any logs to check or something I can go around and look at what causes that?
[04:38] <xubuntu56w> In the task manager. what is diferent between terminate stop and kill ? can this commands mess up the system ? if i stop a process or a program will the system works normal after a restart ?
[04:40] <Executioner> killing is force-stopping the program without it even knowing it
[04:40] <Executioner> regular stop means sending a signal to quit
[04:44] <xubuntu56w> firefox was hanging and i cud hardly stop it with these commands. it needed some time.
[04:45] <Executioner> well, sigkill is pretty much instant, depends on the load of your system
[04:47] <Executioner> if you're willing the use the terminal, you could install htop, and using Ctrl+Alt+F1 (or any number up to 6) to switch to it. You can return to your GUI with Ctrl+Alt+F7.
[04:47] <Executioner> (htop is like a task manager, but described as an interactive process viewer)
[09:13] <xubuntu18w> hi
[09:13] <xubuntu18w> is there anybody
[09:13] <xubuntu18w> hi h i
[13:59] <Yonex> hello guys :)
[14:54] <mucus> howdy!  how do i terminate and restart thunar?
[14:55] <ochosi> mucus: Thunar -q
[14:55] <ochosi> or if that doesn't work you can always "killall Thunar"
[14:56] <mucus> should term give me some info about that, or is it rather silent?
[14:56] <ochosi> silent
[15:00] <mucus> thank you ochosi
[15:02] <ochosi> np mucus
[15:12] <mucus> alrighty, so i have a bunch of space free at /dev/sda3  but no space at /dev/root how can i create a link so /root will use space on /sda3 ?
[15:12] <mucus> i thought i could do ln -s /dev/root /dev/sda3
[15:12] <mucus> but i don't think that did it
[15:14] <ochosi> you have to resize the partition
[15:14] <ochosi> try e.g. gparted
[15:14] <ochosi> mucus: ^
[15:28] <mucus> >_>
[15:28] <mucus> can't install gparted because the partition is full
[15:29] <mucus> i guess i can grab a package and install it at /dev/sda3 right?
[15:33] <holstein> mucus: i would use a live environment
[15:33] <holstein> i dont resize even unused partitions on the same drive i am on.. i backup *everything* before resizing, and use a live environment
[15:37] <mucus> arhf uhg
[15:38] <mucus> i wish i was better at all of this stuff
[15:39] <holstein> mucus: its not trivial, necessarily, to be resizing partitions.. i say, plan for total failure, and allow yourself the opportunity to make mistakes.. *all* drives will fail, so plan for that happening,and you will have all your data safely backed up properly
[15:39] <holstein> mucus: what is the goal?
[15:40] <mucus> the partition /dev/root is saying it's full.  the partition /dev/sda3 (or /dev/var) has 1.7 tera
[15:40] <mucus> i want root to have access to that space
[15:42] <mucus> i was thinking i could simply symlink root to /sda3
[15:43] <holstein> !sudo
[15:44] <holstein> mucus: mbut, you *dont* need to give root access to that space. you can use a live environment to resize.. or, do more research
[15:44] <holstein> mucus: you could have failing hardware that is reporting an issue like that
[15:45] <mucus> reporting an issue like what?
[15:45] <mucus> oh, out of space?
[15:45] <mucus> i believe it's out of space it had next to nothing
[15:47] <holstein> mucus: sure.. im suggesting the "out of space" message can be actually not about the space at all, but failing hardware
[15:47] <holstein> at least, that is something i would want to rule out..
[15:48] <mucus> this is a dedi i'm leasing, i suppose hardware /could/ be an issue. . .
[15:50] <holstein> mucus: you mean, a dedicated host? at a hosting company? if so, its likely a customized version of ubuntu, and not ubuntu at all.. you will likely need to ask them for support
[15:50] <mucus> yes, but i've installed ubu myself and then xfce because that's best
[16:00] <xubuntu81w> I am following a walk through to install a program but have an error of  " autoreconfig,  command not found " as a total newbie help would be appreciated. have tried install autoconfig and says
[16:00] <holstein> mucus: you should have access to do normal diagnostics.. test with some live iso, and poke around on the actual hardware, or virtual hardware..
[16:01] <xubuntu81w> is the latest version
[16:01] <holstein> xubuntu81w: if you are a "total newbie", i say, dont build your own software. use what is in the repos, or add a ppa..
[16:01] <mucus> actual hardware, thankfully
[16:04] <koegs> xubuntu81w: which software? what walkthrough?
[16:06] <xubuntu81w> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu
[16:07] <xubuntu81w> koegs  installing on 14.04
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntu81w: just use this ppa https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/ubuntu/fldigi
[16:08] <xangua> !info fldigi
[16:08] <holstein> HA!.. even easier..
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntu81w: just open the package manager of your choice, and install it from the default repos
[16:11] <xubuntu81w> I am actually trying DL-FLDIGI, which is a variant used to track High Altitude Ballons and send the data straight to the the onlinr tracking page
[16:19] <holstein> xubuntu81w: cool!.. just ask the creators for support on installing the software they create
[16:26] <xubuntu81w> holstein  it was a toss up which came first , but having looked on the web was inclined that it might be something I was missing
[16:27] <holstein> xubuntu81w: i actually have been using ubuntu for a long time. i personally rarely build from source like that.. and when i do, i encounter a list of things i need to do to make the package work..
[16:41] <xubuntu81w> holstein ok so if you enter the instruction as it is written it works, ( I now have a sore forehead from banging it on the desk) thanks for your help
[16:53] <holstein> xubuntu81w: cool.. glad you got it sorted
[17:07] <squeegily_> I want to completely purge PulseAudio from my system. What will this break and how should I fix it?
[17:08] <mucus> squeegily_: why are you purging pulseaudio?
[17:08] <squeegily_> mucus: Because it doesn't work on my machine. Any audo that gets sent through it turns nearly to static
[17:08] <mucus> oh, well... that sounds awful
[17:09] <squeegily_> Yeah.. fortunately ALSA works
[17:09] <squeegily_> But I realized that since PulseAudio is literally nonfunctional, I might as well remove it to save space, boot time, etc
[17:09] <mucus> my usual feeling though is "computers have sound?"
[17:10] <squeegily_> And to eliminate the possibility of it being used as the default audio device (especially for applications that can't manually configure their audio output)
[17:10] <mucus> and don't audio dealies tie into the kernel?  so it would be impossible to totally remove it?
[17:10] <mucus> unless yo compile a new kernel. . . .
[17:11] <squeegily_> mucus: Well, I want to remove all the components of PA that I can
[17:11] <squeegily_> Since nothing that was going to use it would work anyway
[17:12] <holstein> squeegily_: just remove it, you can easily put it back, if needed
[17:12] <mucus> can't you go to the software center and click the handy remove button?
[17:13] <squeegily_> I'm wondering what things to look out for.. like if it's not going to boot due to a service dependency or something ridiculous
[17:13] <squeegily_> I just want to know if there are any known "gotchas" when removing this from Xubuntu
[17:14] <holstein> squeegily_: why? if you want to remove it, go for it.. removing is, generally *is* in its self what to "watch out for"
[17:14] <holstein> squeegily_: the gotchas will be obvious as you go through,a nd you can put it back, easily
[17:15] <holstein> squeegily_: i mean, no one will say "just rip pulse out, no worries".. but, if you want to remove it, go for it
[17:15] <squeegily_> Okay
[17:15] <squeegily_> I'll report back if it works :)
[17:15] <drc> squeegily_: A quick google search show lots of folks saying it <will> cause problems, but no one says exactly how.  I've personally done it and saw no adverse effects.  That said I'd just DISABLE it to see what happens on your machine.
[17:15] <holstein> squeegily_: no need..
[17:16] <holstein> squeegily_: this is "at your own risk".. if you want to, go for it..
[17:18] <drc> oh...but then there is this http://askubuntu.com/questions/489609/how-can-i-cleanly-remove-pulseaudio-in-ubuntu-14-04 saying by disabling it will be respawned by the init system.
[17:20] <drc> It then goes on to tell you how to kill it and tell it not to respawn.
[17:20] <drc> So...Have fun :)
[18:02] <mucus> alrighty i want to swap to nuatilus fm from thunar
[18:02] <mucus> i've gone ahead and grabbed the nautilus package
[18:02] <mucus> what esle do i need to do?
[18:02] <holstein> mucus: i would just search soemthing like "running nautilus with xubuntu" or "running nautilus with xfce".. otherwise, it is suggested you use thunar
[18:03] <holstein> should still be similar to http://askubuntu.com/questions/403892/how-can-i-start-nautilus-on-xubuntu-xfce-via-the-shortcuts-in-the-xfce-panels
[18:04] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/169036/use-nautilus-with-xfce-as-default-file-manager for example
[18:05] <holstein> when i have used it in the past, i just use nautilus by using the "no desktop" option.. and actually just leave thunar in place..
[18:05] <holstein> depends on the need/goal, i suppose
[18:07] <mucus> hm.
[18:07] <mucus> naut is really ugly
[18:07] <mucus> and my goal is to be able to right click on dropbox files and get a public link
[18:09] <holstein> mucus: i do that in the web portal
[18:09] <holstein> anyways.. http://www.webupd8.org/2012/08/how-to-install-dropbox-in-xubuntu-and.html
[18:09] <mucus> yeah you can do that
[18:09] <mucus> i have db installed already
[18:09] <holstein> ^ that is how to use dropbox and thunar, which i have also done
[18:09] <mucus> but i like in windows how i can right click files
[18:09] <mucus> and get links
[18:10] <holstein> mucus: sure, and nothing about xubuntu/thunar is preventing dropbox from providing that for you
[18:10] <mucus> i see that now!
[18:10] <holstein> mucus: try the tool that is suggested in the link
[18:10] <mucus> thanks!
[18:11] <holstein> mucus: if it doesnt work, consider a compromise,a nd let dropbox know you would like a tool for the operating system/file manager you are using
[18:11] <holstein> i personally bothered setting it up once, and now, i just go directly to the web portal.. but, i personally try and not install dropbox anymore, since i dont need it installed to use it
[18:17] <mucus> how do i install something from term?
[18:18] <holstein> !details | mucus
[18:18] <holstein> like, *exactly* what you are trying to install, and why
[18:18] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[18:18] <mucus> the dropbox thunar extension
[18:18] <mucus> but it freezes the software center
[18:18] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#Via_a_Text_Based_Methods specifically
[18:19] <holstein> that .deb may not work.. its not "supported". but, i would just try it with http://askubuntu.com/questions/40779/how-do-i-install-a-deb-file-via-the-command-line
[18:27] <mucus> holstein: thanks, i got it running now!
[18:28] <mucus> wanna try to peg another issue with me?  my top panel obscures part of the icons on my desktop, and it covers the top part of windows as well.  how do i fix this sizing issue?
[18:28] <holstein> mucus: many ways
[18:28] <holstein> mucus: you can share a screenshot to better describe your issue for a volunteer
[18:38] <mucus> holstein:  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9530983/Screenshot%20-%20050115%20-%2013%3A33%3A27.png  and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9530983/Screenshot%20-%20050115%20-%2013%3A34%3A05.png
[18:41] <holstein> mucus: i find that, after logging out and back in, my icons are where i expect them to be, after having messed with my panels
[18:41] <holstein> mucus: i say, try that.. if its not "as expected", you can go from there.. with many ideas, fixes, and work arounds
[23:19] <xubuntu18w> Hi, I have quick question :)  What format is best of external HDD (160GB)? I need use it on linux and Windows. Do you have some tips?
[23:20] <drc> xubuntu18w: All my external/USB hdd's that even might be dual OS usable are formated NTSF.
[23:23] <drc> And the only reason NTSF over FAT32 is because FAT32 doesn't plays well with using/backing up symlinks (which I tend to use frequently)
[23:24] <xubuntu18w> drc> Thx! But I read NTSF work slow under Linux. But I dont have idea, is it actual.
[23:26] <drc> No idea, but my external hdd's are not the "primary use" hdds...they hold audio/video files that usually only get "played" not "played with".
[23:26] <bazhang> ntfs support has been very good for a very long time
[23:27] <bazhang> unless you meant nfs
[23:27] <drc> or Backup Media, which really doesn't get used a lot (unless I do something stupid.
[23:27] <bazhang> ie, as a shared storage area
[23:28] <bazhang> fat is ok, but the file size limitation in the age of bluray etc is an issue
[23:28] <bazhang> 4.3gb iirc
[23:29] <xubuntu18w> Thx, you help me very well!  I need it for music video and some backup.  I go to NTFS.
[23:29] <bazhang> np
[23:29] <bazhang> :)
[23:30] <xubuntu18w> Have a nice day!
[23:30] <bazhang> same to you!
[23:33]  * drc forgot about the file size limitations.
[23:40] <zakmc> Hi, after installing xubuntu 14.10 (32bit), I get really bad wlan performance. From around 20 mbit/s before the reinstall down to ~1 mbit/s or less.
[23:43] <zakmc> Kernel 3.16.0-28-generic using the rt2x00 driver. Also, dmesg is flooded by flush queue warnings
[23:43] <zakmc> is there a way to force the use of the rt61pci driver?
[23:45] <bazhang> blacklist the one, modprobe the other