[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:01] <shadeslayer_> hey ho
[09:17] <sitter> お早う
[09:19] <shadeslayer_> you're really learning japenese? :P
[09:19] <shadeslayer_> Instead of Spanish
[09:19] <sitter> いいえ
[09:20] <sitter> although I will say that spanish appears too useful
[09:20] <sitter> can't have me doing useful things now can I
[09:21] <shadeslayer_> TT
[09:21] <shadeslayer_> ^^
[09:22] <valorie> define useful
[09:22] <valorie> also happy new year, everyone
[09:23] <shadeslayer_> Feliz Año :D
[09:24] <shadeslayer_> valorie: well, spanish has ~2.5 times the number of native speakers than Hindi
[09:24] <sitter> valorie: something one could use more than in the fancy situation one actually meets someone else who speaks japanese
[09:24] <valorie> I spent new year's with Albert this year
[09:24] <sitter> yah spanish is massive
[09:24] <shadeslayer_> so with English + Hindi + English
[09:24] <valorie> he's a native Catalan speaker though
[09:24] <shadeslayer_> I'll be able to speak to a vast majority of people
[09:24] <valorie> only learned spanish in school
[09:25] <valorie> yes, I wish I had spanish
[09:25] <valorie> about 1/4 of the US speaks it as a first or second language
[09:25] <shadeslayer_> Well, I'm sure I can manage with English in the US :P
[09:25] <valorie> in spite of all the anti-immigrant sentiment around these days
[09:26] <sitter> Riddell: ping
[09:26] <shadeslayer_> sitter: FWIW bank holiday in Spain, he might not be coming in
[09:26] <sitter> shadeslayer_: that's brave of you to say
[09:26] <shadeslayer_> sitter: hah :D
[09:26] <sitter> shadeslayer_: same here, he's holding kci hostage though
[09:26] <valorie> lots of Japanese around Puget Sound, but not a lot of native speakers any more
[09:26] <shadeslayer_> sitter: oh, 3 kings parade day ? :D
[09:27] <sitter> yep
[09:27] <sitter> well
[09:27] <shadeslayer_> They shoot candy out of canons today
[09:27] <sitter> 3 bottles of rum parade
[09:27] <shadeslayer_> heh
[09:27] <sitter> it's an austria thing
[09:27] <shadeslayer_> right
[09:27] <sitter> lol
[09:27] <sitter> in austria it's really just a drinking day
[09:27] <valorie> this is really the day for presents, 
[09:27] <shadeslayer_> so ... every holiday
[09:27] <sitter> there's no particular celebration associated with it or anything
[09:28] <valorie> but they're all given
[09:28] <shadeslayer_> valorie: heh :D
[09:28] <sitter> true
[09:29] <valorie> gold, frankincense and mryhh and all that jazz
[09:29] <sitter> the good stuff
[09:29]  * sitter broke releaseme
[09:30] <sitter> shadeslayer_: I think you should adopt releaseme as a pet project, it suffers greatly from the fact that I wrote most of the code when I started out with ruby -.-
[09:30] <shadeslayer_> so basically, it'll be in the same state as it has been?
[09:30] <shadeslayer_> since I've just started out with ruby
[09:31] <sitter> no, because now I am around to write tests ^^
[09:31] <shadeslayer_> :D
[09:31] <sitter> there's a bad design flaw somewhere though
[09:31] <sitter> tarme contains logic it should't
[09:31] <sitter> needs a factory somewhere ^^
[09:35] <shadeslayer_> gah, shit's failing
[09:35] <shadeslayer_> ahh
[09:35] <sitter> what u do?
[09:38] <shadeslayer_> sitter: ecm was outdated
[09:38] <shadeslayer_> well
[09:39] <sitter> where? in staging?
[09:39] <sitter> eh, ninjas
[09:39] <shadeslayer_> what no, I'm talking about dci
[09:39] <sitter> lol
[09:39] <sitter> context!
[09:39] <shadeslayer_> :P
[09:39] <shadeslayer_> 00:10:28.999 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: extra-cmake-modules (>= 1.6.0)
[09:39] <sitter> fun
[09:40] <sitter> tell me if everything builds then I'll send an angry mail to Riddell about holding kci hostage for no good reason :P
[09:40] <shadeslayer_> I have 37 failing jobs, retrying is going to take all day probably :/
[09:41] <shadeslayer_> sitter: why is KCI hostage?
[09:41] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_pause_integration/
[09:41] <sitter> nu job
[09:41] <sitter> see backlog from #kubuntu-ci yesterday
[09:49] <shadeslayer_> ah neato
[09:51] <shadeslayer_> sitter: why can't you just kill the job? :P
[09:52] <sitter> shadeslayer_: Riddell is responsible
[09:52] <shadeslayer_> I see
[09:52] <shadeslayer_> still seems a bit silly 
[09:52] <shadeslayer_> when you can just kill it yourself
[09:57] <sitter> shadeslayer_: the point is that I don't know if it can be killed
[09:57] <sitter> so by killing it I can turn all of kci red
[09:57] <sitter> so yeah, not gonna do it
[09:58] <shadeslayer_> mmmh
[10:13] <soee> in KDE is it possible to have widnow buttons and the menu in one line (window decoration) ? 
[10:15] <shadeslayer_> nope
[10:16] <shadeslayer_> I usually nuke the menu in most of the apps I use anyway
[10:17] <shadeslayer_> don't need them menus
[10:18] <soee> true, but how eos doing it in some apps is just cool
[10:19] <Riddell> sitter: hola, what's up?
[10:20] <sitter> Riddell: kci still paused
[10:20] <sitter> is that intentional?
[10:20] <shadeslayer_> sitter: Riddell dh_install: usr/share/man/man1/preparetips5.1 exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[10:20] <shadeslayer_> from kconfigwidgets
[10:20] <sitter> and if so can we get that fixed?
[10:20] <sitter> shadeslayer_: manpages are mangled to .gz which makes not-installed fail
[10:20] <Riddell> sitter: I didn't touch it!
[10:20] <sitter> could also be CI refusing to install though
[10:20] <sitter> Riddell: exactly
[10:21] <sitter> you are supposed to unpause it
[10:21] <Riddell> I didn't pause it!
[10:21] <sitter> you are the one doing initial upload though
[10:21] <shadeslayer_> mind putting that in not installed?
[10:21] <sitter> no one but you will know when it is good to unpause
[10:21] <sitter> shadeslayer_: I am not doing packaging today
[10:22] <sitter> besides
[10:22] <shadeslayer_> okay
[10:22] <sitter> not-installed should be fixed
[10:22] <sitter> alas, my shell parser failed and I did not understand a word of what the code said
[10:22] <sitter> it looks very hard to do without fixing the code to not be shit though
[10:22] <shadeslayer_> hmm
[10:23] <shadeslayer_> I possibly need to implement file locking
[10:23] <sitter> it's basically a long line of pipe
[10:23] <shadeslayer_> sitter: are file writes atomic in ruby?
[10:23] <sitter> shadeslayer_: what is an atomic file write?
[10:23] <shadeslayer_> sitter: if 2 writers open a file, they make sure they don't interfere with each other?
[10:24] <sitter> no, maybe, that's a platform thing really
[10:24] <sitter> so ultimatley it will probably depend on the file system
[10:24] <shadeslayer_> ah well, better to just flock it then
[10:24] <sitter> I think(tm) on linux if you open a file writable you are blocked until no one else has it open writable
[10:25] <sitter> might be that this is only on a per-process  level
[10:26] <sitter> been a while since I looked at posix specs xD
[10:28] <Riddell> sitter: so shall I kill the job at http://kci.pangea.pub/view/mgmt/job/mgmt_pause_integration/ ?
[10:30] <sitter> Riddell: if you are done, yes
[10:54] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: sitter does kpackage build on your CI?
[10:56] <shadeslayer_> apparently git doesn't contain the man page?
[10:57] <Riddell> or translations
[10:57] <Riddell> thus the red http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.6.0_vivid.html
[11:00] <shadeslayer_> well, it contains the man page clearly
[11:01] <shadeslayer_> usr/share/man/man1/kpackagetool
[11:02] <shadeslayer_> sitter: ^^ thoughts? kpackage git doesn't apparently install the man page 0.o
[11:30] <Riddell> sitter: ping?
[11:54] <sitter> shadeslayer_: changed
[11:55] <sitter> Riddell: pong
[11:58] <Riddell> sitter: just pinging about ci builds which you say will happen now magically
[11:58] <Riddell> sitter: has unstable-daily moved from vivid to utopic?
[11:58] <sitter> unstable-daily always was utopic
[11:58] <sitter> we are not snapshotting vivid
[11:58] <Riddell> where do the vivid packages come from?
[11:58] <shadeslayer_> sitter: changed what?
[12:01] <sitter> it changed
[12:02] <sitter> Riddell: for what where when context?
[12:02] <Riddell> sitter: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+packages has vivid and utopic packages, where do the vivid ones come from if not through ustable-daily?
[12:03] <shadeslayer_> sitter: context?
[12:06] <sitter> shadeslayer_: manpage path changed
[12:07] <sitter> what is this? harald explains the meaning to life and everything?
[12:07] <sitter> Riddell: unstable -promotes> unstable-daily -promotes> unstable-weekly
[12:08] <sitter> Riddell: do you have time to do a bit of a plasma relasma release test run?
[12:09] <shadeslayer_> sitter: don't see the change on projects.kde.org or git.debian.org
[12:09] <sitter> I have a major refactoring to the project xml resolver that previously wasn't test covered so I cannot be sure it won't break something
[12:12] <Riddell> sitter: changes to releaseme?
[12:13] <Riddell> I hope it makes svn checkout faster? cos that would be the best
[12:13] <Riddell> or that it puts the tars into a different directory than the releaeme script, that would be the best too
[12:14] <sitter> nope, makes frameworks releasing work
[12:15] <sitter> Riddell: the tar one is easy though, simply run it from a different directory? :P
[12:16] <Riddell> oh really?
[12:16] <Riddell> anyway sure how can I test it?
[12:19] <sitter> Riddell: simply run your scripty and check that everything looks semi-correct
[12:19] <sitter> most importantly that you get all tars you want
[12:19] <shadeslayer_> sitter: kio is broken 
[12:19] <shadeslayer_> http://dci.pangea.pub/job/plasma/job/kio_binary_unstable/9/console
[12:19] <sitter> *shrug*
[12:20] <Riddell> missing a private symbol, I can fix that https://launchpadlibrarian.net/194151149/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.kio_5.6.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:22] <shadeslayer_> cool 
[12:22] <shadeslayer_> it's weird that c++filt can't actually filter that symbol
[12:35] <soee> where can i check QT 5.4 status for ubuntu ?
[12:53] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[12:53] <soee> hiho BluesKaj_
[12:54] <BluesKaj_> hey soee
[14:05] <sgclark> morning
[14:07] <Riddell> hi sgclark, what are you up to this Epiphany?
[14:10] <sgclark> working on my sok project, how is it going here?
[14:13] <Riddell> what's the timetable for sok?
[14:14] <Riddell> ah yes to Jan 31, 2015
[14:14] <sgclark> right
[14:16] <Riddell> and I'm just working out what should go into Plasma 5.2
[14:17] <sgclark> nice :)
[14:22] <BluesKaj> Hi Riddell sgclark , any timeline for plasma 5 alpha2 ?
[14:24] <Riddell> BluesKaj: jan 22 for vivid alpha 2 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Riddell, does that include improvements for the plasma 5 desktop ?
[14:28] <Riddell> um, I guess so, it's 1 month better
[14:28] <Riddell> will probably have plasma 5.2 beta in it
[14:43] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell , good news then , thanks
[16:35] <Riddell> yofel: git-buildpackage-ppa continues to disappoint me, not only can it not find the .orig in .. it can't find it in apt-get source either
[16:35] <Riddell> oh come back bzr-buildpackage all is forgiven!
[16:37] <sitter> oh the whining
[16:38] <sitter> it's like 5 lines of code that need writing
[16:38] <shadeslayer> whats wrong
[16:38] <Riddell> my epiphany is being ruined by having to manually move .orig files
[16:39] <Riddell> where are the magic kings now?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> it's not like you actually observe epiphany
[16:39] <shadeslayer> being a quaker and all
[16:39] <Riddell> says the heathen who didn't even come and watch the parade dance into town!
[16:40] <shadeslayer> I was sick! And I watched it last year!
[16:40] <shadeslayer> it was alright, candy being shot out of cannons was the best part
[16:41] <Riddell> the number of adults with buckets to collect the sweeties was weird
[16:41] <Riddell> children I expect but adults?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> not really, I regret not taking one last year
[16:41] <shadeslayer> but that was because I had no clue they were going to do that
[16:41] <yofel> Riddell: the .. thing isn't hard to fix, apt-get was a bzr feature really
[16:41] <shadeslayer> this year I was sick
[16:41] <Riddell> there's plenty sweeties in the office
[16:41] <Riddell> nim got loads for christmas
[16:42] <shadeslayer> mmmmm
[16:42] <Riddell> oh d_ed I think there's an irn bru in the fridge for you as a christmas present from last year
[16:42] <jose> cookies?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> COOKIES!
[16:43] <Riddell> no cookies but there is some shortbread
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nom nom nom
[16:43] <Riddell> which is even better and comes wrapped in tartan
[16:43] <jose> oh man, I just remembered the freshly-baked danish bread at UDS-R
[16:43] <jose> it was so awesome
[17:11] <d_ed> you gave me one before I left
[17:11] <d_ed> it was just you, me and Aleix
[17:14] <Riddell> hmm I wonder who's it was then
[17:14] <Riddell> oh well, spare one for tomorrow
[18:50] <rberg-> a/part
[18:50] <rberg-> doh
[18:51] <soee> ;o
[19:06] <Riddell> aww, come back rberg
[19:25]  * Riddell uploads kf5 5.6 to vivid
[19:34] <soee> :O