[07:14] <llogiq> Hi folks.
[07:17] <ianorlin> hi
[07:18] <llogiq> Recently (with the later 3.16 kernels that were pushed around last xmas) my wireless (broadcom bcmwl43, with proprietary drivers) works only spotty, with a lot of reconnects. I also get a lot of roaming/SBE-related warnings on dmesg. Has anybody else experienced this problem and/or knows a solution? Are the open-source drivers broadcom donated in tree already?
[07:19] <ianorlin> it depends which chip you have
[07:19] <ianorlin> does booting with old kernel fix the problem?
[07:19] <llogiq> It appears so. But then I loose the DRM improvements that came with 3.16. :-(
[07:19] <llogiq> s/loose/lose/
[07:21] <ianorlin> also what does lspci show which one it is as you may be able to use b43 drivers but with propritary firmware
[07:23] <llogiq> gimme a sec
[07:23] <llogiq> BCM43142 (rev 01)
[07:25] <llogiq> On the b43 page (wireless.kernel.org) it says it's unsupported.
[07:28] <ianorlin> I am not sure what can really be done
[07:30] <vlt> Hello. My music player (audacious) stops playing right after the current title when my screen gets locked after inactivity timeout. How to prevent this?
[07:33] <ianorlin> vlt in 14.10 and later there is presentation mode on power manager
[14:19] <colonolGron> hello there
[14:19] <colonolGron> i would like to install lubuntu, but without all the default apps.
[14:20] <holstein> !mini
[14:20] <holstein> colonolGron: you likely dont want any-buntu at all, and dont have to have it
[14:20] <colonolGron> is there a way to install just a minimal system and then install something like "lxde-meta" wich will take care of getting xserver + lxde stuff without apps?
[14:20] <holstein> colonolGron: but, lxde has some "default" applications that it pulls in
[14:20] <colonolGron> hmm
[14:21] <colonolGron> i mean like: no office suite, no media player and so on
[14:21] <holstein> colonolGron: i would just install from the mini, and explore the *-core meta packages.. or just add openbox, and the minimal things
[14:21] <colonolGron> okay
[14:21] <colonolGron> one more thing
[14:21] <holstein> colonolGron: sure, from there, you can add *just* what you want.. just read the list of what is to be added. i suggest lxde
[14:21] <colonolGron> its first time install on uefi laptop, is there anything special i should be aware of?
[14:21] <holstein> that will get you ubuntu + lxde.. which is similar to lubuntu
[14:22] <holstein> colonolGron: sure.. if the creator of the hardware doesnt allow you a way to install other operating systems, you will have a bad time
[14:22] <colonolGron> ah no, its a tuxedo book. it came with preinstalled xubuntu
[14:22] <holstein> colonolGron: nothing about linux/ubuntu/lubuntu will prevent you from installing in on that hardware, thats for sure. but, if the creator of the hardware prevents it, you may need to "void the warranty", or who knows
[14:22] <holstein> !uefi
[14:23] <holstein> colonolGron: i would just sudo apt-get install lxde on that installation then
[14:23] <holstein> colonolGron: xubuntu and lubuntu *are* ubuntu. and its not the same as windows, where, applications installed are using up resources in the back ground
[14:23] <colonolGron> regarding uefi: i was not sure about bootloader, do i have to do anything different than usual?
[14:23] <holstein> colonolGron: you'll have to look at the bootloader of your specific hardware..
[14:24] <colonolGron> holstein: i am aware that xubuntu and lubuntu are ubuntu
[14:24] <colonolGron> but i dont want to remove all preinstalled stuff
[14:24] <colonolGron> just do a clean install myself
[14:24] <holstein> colonolGron: great!, i was just making sure, since, you are going through a lot of work to basicaly remove ubuntu, and install ubuntu
[14:24] <colonolGron> regarding uefi: i suppose grub2 is used as default, will it just boot on uefi as usual? no special stuff i need to do?
[14:25] <holstein> colonolGron: friend, that will depend on that specific hardware.. nothing about lubuntu or ubuntu or *any* linux will require anything special.. but that hardware can
[14:26] <colonolGron> i dont get it. i thought on bios its all the same and on uefi its different
[14:26] <colonolGron> different setup of the bootloader i thought
[14:26] <holstein> colonolGron: sure, and usually is, but, its not a lubuntu bios, or lubuntu machine. it'll be up to you and the manufacturer of the hardware to faciliate the installation of whatever os you want
[14:27] <holstein> colonolGron: typically, you can bypass "locks" like that on the bios.. and, i would assume, since its a linux shop, it would be easy. but, thats an assumption, and you'll just have to look at the specific hardware and see what the manufacturers have done
[14:28] <holstein> likely, just boot and install.. though, the "easiest" would be, just install lxde into that installation
[14:28] <colonolGron> i am going to try ;)
[14:28] <colonolGron> thanks
[17:53] <colonolGron> hi guys
[17:53] <colonolGron> just installed xubuntu on a test vm and added the lubuntu PPA
[17:54] <colonolGron> then installed a new icon theme (moka theme via .deb file) lxapperance shows the theme but lxqt-config does not
[17:55] <holstein> colonolGron: there is no "lubuntu ppa"
[17:55] <holstein> colonolGron: the lubuntu packages are in the same default ubuntu repositories.. xubuntu and lubuntu *are* ubuntu
[17:57] <colonolGron> holstein: and what is this: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-daily?
[17:57] <holstein> colonolGron: as stated, the "development" or "daily" ppa.. testing
[17:57] <holstein> colonolGron: you can expect issues running testing versions..
[17:58] <colonolGron> well, i am developing on lxqt, and wanted to test it on ubuntu
[17:58] <colonolGron> thats my goal
[17:58] <holstein> colonolGron: cool
[17:58] <holstein> colonolGron: you may need to accept compromises as such, then.. and run ppas
[17:58] <colonolGron> on gentoo i was just cloning the git repo, and didnt install any lxqt package but built all by myself. is this the best approach on ubuntu too? if i want to have the latest and also want to try my own changes
[17:59] <holstein> colonolGron: depends on what versions you want, and how they are made available
[17:59] <holstein> colonolGron: stock lubuntu is what it is.. all the ubuntu's are like that.. you are welcome to add what you like, but, its not lubuntu anymore
[17:59] <holstein> colonolGron: i suggest the ppa's, since thats an easy way of adding what you need
[18:00] <holstein> though, at that point, i might run 15.04, if that main ubuntu developement version was more relevant to what im doing
[18:00] <colonolGron> holstein: i think i did a apt-cache search lxqt, and didnt find anything and then added that ppa, and then install lxqt-metapackage, just to get an overview
[18:01] <colonolGron> are you sure lxqt is in main ubuntu repos?
[18:02] <ianorlin> it isn't but there is the ppa for 15.04
[18:02] <colonolGron> so i was right
[18:04] <colonolGron> just to get an overview, who in here is a lubuntu dev?
[18:04] <holstein> colonolGron: i see nothing that makes me say you are wrong, other than, it seems you are far from needing to run desktop lubuntu, and that may be a challenge to get official support for what you are trying to accomplish
[18:04] <holstein> ubuntu nor lubuntu has a "heres a stable slice of whats coming down the pike" distro with all upcoming development packages
[18:05] <colonolGron> holstein: my main reason for coming here was to tell you guys about the icon issue, and i wanted to know (in case somebody in here runs lxqt) if they have the same issue
[18:05] <holstein> sometime getting these can be more of a challenge, and i suggest running a stable base, and doing as much as you can in VM or chroot
[18:05] <holstein> colonolGron: sure. and the icon issue is with the developement PPA..
[18:05] <holstein> AFAIK, you can still file bugs about it.. but, i would just let the ppa maintainer know.. though, it *will* be having problems for a while
[18:06] <colonolGron> holstein: i am aware that it is the development PPA... but if nobody tells the devs about the errors people find how will it get more stable?..
[18:07] <holstein> colonolGron: sure.. i suggest telling them
[18:08] <ianorlin> colonolGron: that is true but be sure to back stuff up
[18:08] <holstein> colonolGron: but, the answer may be "its in development, use at own risk"..
[18:08] <holstein> or, "we are not actively expecting any level of stability".. or "we are importing problems that are being addressed upstream"... you just dont know, and dont have an offical path for support for that
[18:10] <colonolGron> holstein: i dont use it for production.. i use it to find bugs..
[18:10] <colonolGron> so stuff can get improved
[18:10] <colonolGron> okay?
[18:10] <holstein> colonolGron: sure.. and thats great.. im only addresssing that, this is the lubuntu desktop channel. there may be no community here for that
[18:11] <holstein> colonolGron: its totally fine, and *much* appreciated.. just not supported
[18:11] <colonolGron> okay
[18:11] <colonolGron> i didnt know where to file that bug
[18:11] <colonolGron> so i went to lubuntu, since a lubuntu ppa
[18:11] <holstein> colonolGron: and, im not sure that you are welcome to do that
[18:11] <holstein> !bug
[18:11] <colonolGron> and from here on i wanted to go further :)
[18:11] <holstein> colonolGron: at this point, i go upstream.. but, they may not have a system in place.. i have not checked, personally
[18:12] <colonolGron> i see
[18:12] <holstein> colonolGron: first thing i would do is try and casualy contact the maintainer of the ppa you are using
[18:12] <colonolGron> holstein: are you an lubuntu dev?
[18:12] <holstein> colonolGron: from there, they may lead you upstream, or have a system in place.. or not respond.. etc
[18:12] <holstein> and you can decide what to do..
[18:13] <ianorlin> if it is lubuntu specific in Qt the place is in the lubuntu next bugtracker or if it is upstream it in the lxqt issue tracker on github
[18:13] <holstein> colonolGron: i am just a supporter in this capacity.. volunteer support in irc channel.. little/none code development from me
[21:07] <Ahmuck> hi.  did the latest update remove the icon from the taskbar/systemtray (network)
[21:32] <holstein> Ahmuck: did it?
[21:33] <holstein> Ahmuck: it didnt here.. im assuming since you are asking, that yours is removed?
[21:33] <Ahmuck> yes, i had the nic icon in the systray and after a update today (i did not check the contents today) it hasn't come back
[21:34] <holstein> you can try the usual.. running nm-applet from the command line.. etc
[21:34] <Ahmuck> i manually placed one there but the one that is there now does not fit the art and style that was before
[21:35] <Ahmuck> found the problem
[21:35] <Ahmuck> thx
[22:29] <Homie> hi
[22:29] <wxl> i'm inclined to say "word," homie.
[22:30] <Homie> so? And why's that?
[22:30] <wxl> consider it a greeting. what's your cup of tea today?
[22:31] <Homie> Thnx for the greeting.... Well I think Puppy screwed my windoze... How was your day?
[22:31] <wxl> wonderful. are you seeking help from lubuntu to solve this issue?
[22:32] <Homie> Yup, just asked a question over there.
[22:32] <wxl> you did? all i saw was "hi"
[22:32] <wxl> perhaps you mean on #ubuntu?
[22:32] <Homie> oh....XD I thought You meant the forum on ubuntu
[22:32] <Homie> yeah exactlly
[22:33] <wxl> so how can us *L*ubuntu folks help you out?
[22:34] <Homie> first of it's Lubuntu that screwed windeezie and not Puppy (it just fitted the sentence better over there). Second I'm interested to know if there is still hope for it (windoze that is).
[22:35] <wxl> well you'd have to explain further.
[22:37] <Homie> The thing is this...I'm new to linux with the best intention of getting as far away as possible from windows. So I thought I 'd try a linux version and after doing some research on the net
[22:38] <Homie> I decided to install Puppy on a USB flash drive to try it out...I couldn't manage to do it so I thought I might try another version, so Lubuntu came around
[22:38] <Homie> I had better luck with it since I installed it somehow into the USB but now I can't boot into Windows anymore. I did some research on the web and figured that the grub might have been messed up
[22:39] <Homie> but I couldn't find a way to resolve this issue.
[22:39] <Homie> forgive me I'm typing slow because I'm in Lubuntu right now and the touchpad makes the mousepointer jump around sometimes
[22:44] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard can be of help if you are bad with some touchpads I personally prefer a usb mouse
[22:45] <ianorlin> one useful one for example is alt tab to switch windows
[22:46] <Homie> thnx for the link ianorlin
[22:49] <wxl> ok
[22:49] <wxl> sorry about that
[22:49] <wxl> you need to turn tap to click off
[22:49] <wxl> that will make life easier
[22:49] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse#Disable_tap_to_click
[22:49] <wxl> Homie: ^
[22:50] <wxl> so next we need to figure out if your installation is still around
[22:50] <wxl> we'll install a utility to help us out
[22:50] <wxl> sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit
[22:50] <wxl> in terminal
[22:50] <wxl> and then do:
[22:50] <wxl> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[22:50] <wxl> it will spit out a url; paste it here
[22:51] <Homie> o
[22:53] <Homie> this is the link wxl:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/9684749/
[22:54] <wxl> whoa
[22:54] <wxl> something is funky there
[22:54] <Homie> what else besides windows? XD
[22:54] <wxl> well it's weird that you have two drives
[22:55] <wxl> both of them with windows components on them
[22:55] <wxl> and one of them with linux as a partition
[22:55] <wxl> oh maybe sdb is a thumb drive
[22:55] <wxl> ok not totally weird
[22:55] <wxl> still holy partitions :)
[22:56] <Homie> yeah, sdb with 7.2 gigs is a thumb drive, there's Lubuntu in it
[22:56] <Homie> lol. I like my partitions
[22:57] <wxl> have you got to the grub menu before?
[22:57] <wxl> looks kind of like http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1353953772.png
[22:58] <Homie> yes, with a ubuntu CD but with Lubuntu no
[22:58] <Homie> I've seen that pic from the link tho
[22:58] <wxl> so try booting your sda and while it boots hold down the SHIFT key
[22:59] <Homie> ok
[22:59] <Homie> nothing else?
[22:59] <wxl> nope
[22:59] <wxl> that menu should pop up
[22:59] <wxl> make sure you pull out sdb :)
[23:04] <Homie> ...
[23:04] <wxl> no dice?
[23:04] <wxl> didn't get to the menu?
[23:04] <Homie> ok you still around wxl?
[23:04] <wxl> yep Homie
[23:05] <Unit193> sudo grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv set recordfail
[23:05] <Homie> well there poped up a long string of characters starting with sylinux something and at the end of there was a this:   ...boot:
[23:06] <wxl> hm
[23:06] <wxl> that's unique
[23:06] <Unit193> Type  live  or double tap on tab.
[23:06] <Homie> invalid parameter recordfail unit193
[23:07] <Homie> again for noobs unit193?
[23:08] <Homie> it was asking for something wxl, you know, just like the console in C++ for example where you have to type something...you know?
[23:10] <wxl> harumph
[23:10] <wxl> can you get into lubuntu just by booting from default?
[23:11] <Homie> yup. I can get ONLY into lubuntu, if the USB is attached to the laptop it boots straight into lubuntu, if I remove it nothing happens, just the blinking underscore
[23:11] <wxl> so try getting in there and run `sudo update-grub`
[23:11] <wxl> maybe your config files are damaged somehow
[23:11] <Unit193> Did you install grub onto your flash?
[23:12] <Homie> I'm typing from Lubuntu now and did that before I came here but nope, it didn't help much
[23:12] <wxl> hm
[23:12] <wxl> weird
[23:12] <wxl> that "boot:" prompt isn't the grub rescue prompt
[23:13] <Homie> Unit193 I don't know, I just used Universall USB installer to "burn" lubuntu to the usb, I don't know if the installer put grub  into the usb or not
[23:13] <wxl> shift should get you to the menu at which point you should be able to select your preferred os
[23:13] <Homie> nope, wxl, it pretty much looked like it was coming from the BIOS
[23:13] <Unit193> wxl: Looks like syslinux perhaps, hitting tab twice should give him his options.
[23:13] <wxl> Homie: there's a thought then ^
[23:14] <Homie> yup, suslinux was the starting line of that long sentence
[23:16] <Homie> ok, should I reboot again and hit tab now?
[23:17] <wxl> yeah when you get to that boot prompt
[23:17] <wxl> see what happens
[23:17] <wxl> that's weird tho
[23:17] <wxl> it's not normal to have syslinux, right, Unit193 ?
[23:18] <Unit193> Well, you can, but not default.  It's default for the live ISOs though...
[23:18] <wxl> which makes sense but how do you coerce the installer to do it?
[23:21] <Homie> anyone around?
[23:23]  * ianorlin still is but freenode had some people quit because of netsplit and wxl came back
[23:24] <Homie> wxl?
[23:24] <wxl> yoyoyo
[23:25] <Homie> what's good homie?
[23:31] <wxl> just maxxing and relaxxing in the crib
[23:35] <Homie> 'ello
[23:35] <wxl> what's the word?
[23:35] <Unit193> wxl: Bird.
[23:36] <wxl> Unit193: buh-buh-buh.
[23:37] <wxl> if you don't behave i'm going to have to kick you to -offtopic Unit193
[23:38] <Homie> hey, homies, instead of braking each others bawllz could you please focus on helping me? Please?
[23:38] <wxl> how did the whole boot: tab thing work out Homie ?
[23:39] <Homie> well not that good, I doubled tabbed and the b*tch said no bootable device detected, please insert a bootable disk. (When I removed the usb from my Laptop, when I didn't the same as before, it just boots into lubuntu)
[23:41] <Homie> can You guys make anything out of this? A guy on ubuntu forum suggested some software which spitted out this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/9684901/
[23:42] <wxl> and doing that didn't fix it?
[23:42] <wxl> seriously i have no idea why syslinux is there
[23:44] <Homie> could it because I tried to install Puppy from an .exe file first, which didn' work like I already explained earlier?
[23:44] <Homie> *be
[23:45] <Homie> is it possible that puppy somehow facked up the grub?
[23:45] <Homie> and not Lubuntu?
[23:45] <wxl> could be
[23:45] <wxl> i stay *FAR* away from puppy
[23:47] <anarkhos> why?
[23:47] <wxl> well that's a topic for -offtopic i guess, but not a fan