[00:02] <Isotop7> is there any information why there are no new builds in rtm 14.09 proposed since 18 of december?
[00:02] <cwayne> holidays
[00:03] <Isotop7> aah...okay...didnt see that coming :D
[00:03] <Isotop7> have a happy new year :)
[00:05] <cwayne> you too :)
[00:49] <c0nd0r> hi, I am trying to install ubuntu touch on a galaxy SGH 1337M
[00:49] <c0nd0r> glaaxy s4
[00:49] <c0nd0r> it is already rooted
[00:50] <c0nd0r> does anybody know where I can find the coreect install files
[00:51] <c0nd0r> apparantly, the galaxy s4 is a bit tricky with ubuntu touch
[01:25] <sergiusens> c0nd0r: I don't think there is anyone actively working on an S4 port
[01:25] <sergiusens> !devices
[01:29] <c0nd0r> thank you
[08:31] <dholbach> good morning
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> hi
[09:37] <mandel> ogra_, hey! happy new year
[10:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Apple Tree Day! :-)
[10:45] <mandel> JamesTait, appel tree?? wtf?
[10:45] <mandel> JamesTait, where do you find all this weird days hehehehe
[10:46] <JamesTait> mandel, https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/apple-tree-day/
[10:46] <JamesTait> mandel, it's the internet, there's *bound* to be a website for it. ;)
[11:44] <ame_> can i install ubuntu on my android phone??
[11:44] <ame_> am using moto E
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> !devices
[11:45] <ame_> moto E
[13:32] <lool> so the partition layout on my mako changed since I reflashed it; now when booting into recovery, I have to mount /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/userdata /data; mount -o loop /data/system.img /system
[13:32] <lool> is there a nicer way to do this?
[13:33] <lool> also, I can't properly umount /data after doing this and I get some bionic warnings, which I dont understand -- why would bionic be affected by /data? -- any idea what's going on?
[13:33] <lool> ogra_: I'm sure you've been through this already  :-)
[13:34] <lool> (also, I've noticed a suspicious /datadata directory in the recovery)
[13:48] <meinotherside> hi is possible to install Ubuntu Touch on Asus ME176C ? , Intel Bay Trail processor
[13:50] <jgdx> !devices | meinotherside
[13:51] <meinotherside> thank you ubot5
[14:24] <jgdx> seb128, hiya, is this a good version bump? https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/other-vibrations/+merge/239734
[14:32] <meinotherside> how do I compile Ubunt Touch for my Asus ME176C ? thanks
[14:35] <meinotherside> how do I compile Ubunt Touch for my Asus ME176C ? thanks
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> !devices | meinotherside
[14:44] <meinotherside> My model of tablet not appear | lotuspsychje
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> meinotherside: maybe try he XDA forums, someone might have a project for it?
[14:45] <dobey> you will need to follow the porting guide
[14:45] <dobey> to port ubuntu to a new device
[14:46] <meinotherside> thank you lotuspsychje and dobey , I will try
[14:52] <jgdx> tedg, ping
[14:52] <tedg> jgdx, Just a sec, otp
[14:53] <jgdx> kk
[14:57] <tedg> jgdx, off-the-phone (otp?) ;-)  What's up?
[14:58] <jgdx> tedg, :) Silo 02, it seemed to have been rejected by qa due to the silent mode issues (indicator and u-s-s not in sync)
[14:58] <jgdx> tedg, wondering what to do next
[14:59] <tedg> jgdx, Add this MR, take two Tylenol and call me in the morning. https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-sound/silent-mode-startup/+merge/241336
[15:03] <jgdx> tedg, ack :)
[15:33] <seb128> jgdx, hey, yeah, looks fine
[15:33] <jgdx> seb128, thanks!
[15:34] <lool> ricmm: heya, mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/platform-api/dep-fix/+merge/245662 ?
[15:34] <lool> should be trivial
[15:59] <lool> ondra: hey, do you have binaries for the dbus location-service mp?
[16:00] <ondra> lool nope, just trying to build fix from tvoss
[16:01] <mhall119> seb128: did you want to join today's community team Q&A to talk about Ubuntu desktop and Unity 8?
[16:02] <seb128> mhall119, when is that?
[16:02] <mhall119> now
[16:02] <mhall119> haven't started yet, but about to
[16:02] <seb128> mhall119, sorry but no, in the middle of the weekly desktop team meeting
[16:02] <mhall119> ok, next time then
[16:03] <seb128> yeah if it's a different time
[16:03] <dobey> cwayne1: untappd webapp uses the online-accounts credentials to log in, right? it's asking me to sign in again, but scope still seems to give authenticated data ok…
[16:03] <seb128> our meeting is always in this slot
[16:03] <cwayne1> dobey: yeap
[16:03] <cwayne1> its a separate service file and everything
[16:04] <cwayne1> so its possible to be signed into one but not the other
[16:05] <dobey> cwayne1: but both are enabled in system-settings. but the webapp just shows the logged out web page asking me to sign up or sign in.
[16:06] <cwayne1> oh, hm, thats weird
[16:06] <dobey> yeah, i tried to use it last night at the pub, but got that page
[16:07] <cwayne1> damn, ill try and work out a fix
[16:07] <cwayne1> but really i'd just like to be able to check in from the scope :P
[16:09] <dobey> i'd rather use the app :)
[16:09] <dobey> and i don't think it's possible to provide good ux for things like checkins, in scopes
[16:10] <cwayne1> well it seems it would map pretty well to the ratings input widget
[16:11] <dobey> if you only want to allow whole-number ratings. but location and attaching pictures requires a bit more complexity than a ratings widget
[16:12] <cwayne1> fair point
[16:12] <cwayne1> regardless i'll check and see if i can reproduce/fix
[16:14] <seb128> tedg, hey, happy new year
[16:15] <seb128> tedg, do you know if anyone is working on making u-a-l works with systemd as a cgroup manager?
[16:15] <seb128> tedg, bug #1400394
[16:17] <justCarakas> QUESTION: will there be increased effords to bring populair apps to the phone when they are available for sale ?
[16:27] <tedg> seb128, I don't think so, I was planning to port it to systemd when the session stuff was ready, but I didn't realize it was going to replace cgmanager as well.
[16:27] <seb128> tedg, that's an issue we need to sort this cycle...
[16:29] <tedg> seb128, When you mean issue, do you mean porting UAL or deciding whether systemd will replace cgmanager?
[16:30] <seb128> tedg, having ual work with systemd as pid1
[16:30] <seb128> so unity8-desktop can start things
[16:30] <tedg> K, that should be too hard. Do we expect the u8-desktop to run systemd for session management as well?
[16:31] <tedg> shouldn't be too hard.
[16:32] <tedg> The session switch is going to be tricker just in that we need to get all the services unit files as well.
[16:32] <tedg> (not impossible, but work)
[16:33] <Nick___> Anyone experience poor mic quality with nexus 4?
[16:37] <dobey> justCarakas: most popular apps on ios/android are proprietary, and not so simple to port. it will be up to the developers of those apps whether to port them. but we certainly try to encourage porting of apps, even now
[16:41] <pitti> Saviq: oh cool, the unity8 tests succeeded now, thanks for re-running
[16:42] <Saviq> pitti, yup, no worries, will investigate the failure, too
[17:17] <bubbasaures> Norrin, The only thing eol or dead in your words are the earlier ubuntu with a desktop images for the supported phones and nexus.
[17:17] <Norrin> bubbasaures, is that what this is? http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
[17:19] <bubbasaures> Norrin, That is a web page yes with an image, honestly not really giving the details needed, like the limited phones or tablets..etc used and that it is still being worked on is all.
[17:19] <bubbasaures> Norrin, I would ask the channel though they know more in general than me.
[17:20] <Norrin> gotcha
[17:20] <Norrin> trying to find out if "ubuntu for phone" and "ubuntu touch" are 2 different things.  and if one is being abandoned for the other
[17:22] <bubbasaures> Norrin, The original idea was a phone that ran touch and could run as a regular ubuntu release when plugged in to a monitor or some set up, still in the mix I think just getting the company to release this under their funding and hardware is the issue now.
[17:23] <bubbasaures> not the company, like a phone OEM
[17:24] <bubbasaures> I waiting for that setup I like the idea
[17:24] <Norrin> waiting for a phone oem to ship with it?
[17:24] <Norrin> why... linux has never depended on that....
[17:24] <Norrin> just provide hardware support and installation tools to users
[17:25] <bubbasaures> Norrin, Canonical ran a donation program to get funding, it failed so it is outside release as far as the unit or a download install as of now, the dual setup I'm not sure where this is at.
[17:26] <popey> Norrin: we're not "waiting for a phone oem" - we're working _with_ phone OEMs.
[17:27] <bubbasaures> should get here sometime is my guess
[17:27] <popey> next month
[17:27] <Norrin> popey, I see.  is this something separate? http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
[17:28] <popey> Norrin: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february
[17:31] <Norrin> I'm guessing it's the same project...
[17:32] <popey> it is
[17:33] <Norrin> i'm hoping the app permission system is more ios-like and less android-like
[17:35] <popey> how so?
[17:35] <popey> You can already try it on a Nexus 4 ☻
[17:35] <popey> and yes, it's not like Android, you don't get smacked in the face when you install apps
[17:36] <Norrin> yayy! ^
[17:36] <Norrin> indeed.  not granted all or nothing permissions at install.  and install enabling & disabling permissions piecemeal for each all
[17:37] <Norrin> for each app*
[17:37] <popey> yes
[17:37] <Norrin> i have a nexus 5...
[17:37] <popey> so as the camera needs location, it asks for it
[17:37] <Norrin> and want the 6
[17:37] <Norrin> cool.  securely sandboxed?
[17:38] <popey> yes
[17:38] <popey> one app can't eat another apps data
[17:38] <popey> or see it
[17:39] <Norrin> or any data that it doesn't own lol (hopefully)
[17:39] <popey> indeed
[17:40] <Norrin> that's what i'm looking for!  sounds great
[17:44] <Norrin> so ubuntu.com mentions #ubuntu-phone.   how'd this channel end up forked?
[17:54] <popey> Norrin: long story, not interesting ☻
[17:55] <popey> Norrin: #ubuntu-phone should redirect here
[17:55] <Norrin> it doesnt
[17:55] <popey> it used to... let me see
[17:55] <Norrin> i'm in there now
[17:55] <popey> I'll fix it
[17:57] <Norrin> i'm excited! android backgrounding with better permissions and security....
[17:57] <Norrin> i'm assuming it's an linux backgrounding model... might be wrong
[18:01] <popey_> \o/
[18:05] <ibuntu> Hello, I have Ubuntu Touch installed on a Nexus 4. It was working fine for 2 months. About 8 days ago I restarted my phone and can no longer connect to my cellular network. It says denied in my network status indicator instead of saying WIND Home as it normally would.
[18:06] <ibuntu> I am in Toronto using WIND Mobile. My mom is on Fido and if I swap my SIM card out with hers, Ubuntu can connect to her network. My sim card works in other phones. My house-mate uses koodo and his sim card gives the same denied status as mine
[18:06] <dobey> Norrin: my understanding is that it will be like ios
[18:07] <ibuntu> koodo, wind and some other smaller companies all use a similar range of frequencies for their networks while rogers/fido/bell/etc. use a different frequency range
[18:07] <dobey> ibuntu: have you contacted your provider and asked if they have blocked your phone's IMEI for some reason?
[18:07] <ibuntu> If my phone's imei was blocked, wouldn't I have trouble connecting with other phones?
[18:07] <dobey> ibuntu: not if their IMEIs aren't blocked
[18:08] <Norrin> dobey, no way to enable prolonged background tasks?
[18:08] <dobey> Norrin: not currently, but once it's fully implemented it should be about the same model as iOS uses
[18:08] <Norrin> popey, thanks for fixing that
[18:09] <Norrin> yikes
[18:09] <ibuntu> dobey: why would my house-mates sim card on a different network carrier also be denied?
[18:09] <dobey> Norrin: apps on iOS can register to be waked for a period of time to run in the background
[18:09] <dobey> ibuntu: i don't know, maybe it's locked to their phone's IMEI?
[18:09] <Norrin> dobey, i know.... but persistent connections need to stay running
[18:09] <Norrin> dobey, so backgrounding was deliberately disabled?
[18:10] <ibuntu> my house-mates sim card works in 3 other android phones in the house, as does my sim card
[18:10] <dobey> Norrin: persistent? persistent network connections on a cell phone are a generally bad idea
[18:10] <Norrin> yes.  but what if you need one
[18:10] <Norrin> should be able to enable if you want
[18:11] <dobey> Norrin: bring it up on the mailing list, i guess?
[18:11] <Norrin> you might be on wifi.  you might need a temporary server.
[18:11] <Norrin> or want real-time updates from a server
[18:11] <dobey> Norrin: you might lose connectivity arbitrarily
[18:12] <Norrin> try.  but app can retry (if it is allowed to run....)
[18:12] <Norrin> true*. but app can. . . .
[18:12] <sergiusens> Norrin: well push notifications can get you close enough to real time as you can get
[18:12] <dobey> Norrin: what you want, and what you get may not be the same thing. your app should support dropped connections and resuming
[18:12] <Norrin> dobey, yes. but can only do that if it is allowed to run...
[18:12] <dobey> the main thing i want a persistent connection for, is local bluetooth streaming of data
[18:14] <Norrin> 1) irc 2) prolonged downloads which aren't http
[18:14] <dobey> 1) cloud services exist which preserve state
[18:14] <Norrin> apple says to use nsurlsession as if all network traffic is http
[18:14] <dobey> 2) the app should probably be foreground for anything important
[18:15] <Norrin> dobey, that #2 doesn't allow for multi-tasking.  or conserving battery by during the screen off
[18:16] <ibuntu> dobey: is it conceivable that the issue could be a blocked imei if my WIND sim and my house-mates Koodo sim work in 3 different android phones, but not in Ubuntu. And my mom's fido sim works in all 4 phones? (I am on hold with my network carrier to see if they have blocked my imei)
[18:16] <Norrin> by requiring cloud services, you require a developer to not only be a systems developer.  now he has to write a web-app also
[18:16] <dobey> do you have a valid, current use case, where one would need to download a large amount of data to a phone, that isn't http, and isn't streaming music or movies?
[18:16] <Norrin> dobey, how about a linux image over bittorrent.  or anything or a work ftp?
[18:17] <Norrin> even http downloads.  i'm assuming the OS doesn't support that right now either.  considering it's need a system service which schedules the http downloads on the apps' behave, seeing apps aren't allowed to run.
[18:17] <Norrin> i guess that enhancement is planned, but it is unnecessary is the app is simply allowed to run
[18:18] <Norrin> unnecessary if* that app is . . .
[18:18] <dobey> eh, i disagree
[18:18] <dobey> and HTTP has resume capability
[18:19] <dobey> i can install mosh+ssh on my phone, and ssh will work fine and resume properly and i'll have irc under screen running on my server
[18:19] <Norrin> so no system service scheduler yet.  app gets killed. resume is necessary and therefore won't finish itself.  you can't start a download, go do something else, come back and expect it to be finished.  you have to resume it and make sure the app doesn't background for the download to finish
[18:20] <dobey> right now, yes
[18:20] <dobey> like i said, background processing is not yet implemented/supported for apps
[18:21] <sergiusens> Norrin: http[s] downloads are supported
[18:21] <sergiusens> torrenting on a phone is a very specific use case
[18:21] <dobey> and my understanding, is that once all of that is fully implemented, it should be very similar to how iOS works
[18:22] <dobey> and yes, HTTP downloads will work fine currently. use the ubuntu-download-manager API
[18:22] <Norrin> imo the future is these devices.  it is a computer.  why is it fair to cripple it
[18:22] <dobey> it might work for ftp too
[18:22] <sergiusens> jhodapp: hey, did you test Elleo's podcasting app?
[18:22] <dobey> why is it a computer?
[18:22] <dobey> it is a phone, not a computer
[18:23] <jhodapp> sergiusens, no I didn't
[18:23] <sergiusens> jhodapp: it's rather nice, check it out :-)
[18:23] <Norrin> i use a touch device whenever possible.  i use a traditional computer when i'm forced to, because a mobile OS has been crippled to where it isn't capable of something something a computer can
[18:23] <jhodapp> sergiusens, what's it called?
[18:23] <sergiusens> jhodapp: podbird
[18:24] <Norrin> dobey, actually with that plan, it'll be more similar to windows phone
[18:24] <dobey> no it won't
[18:24] <Norrin> same backgrounding mobile.  secure sandboxing. configuring permissions.  actually all 3 have those characteristics....
[18:24] <dobey> the goal is for it to be like iOS but better, for background processing
[18:25] <Norrin> better how? its the same plan...
[18:25] <Norrin> same backgrounding model*
[18:25] <dobey> anyway, if you care about it enough to help make it better, then start a thread on the mailing list about it and get involved
[18:25] <dobey> i don't know all the specifics
[18:25] <Norrin> yeah i'll see
[18:25] <Norrin> at least that's an option with this project
[18:26] <jhodapp> sergiusens, nice, never heard of it
[18:26] <jhodapp> sergiusens, thanks for the tip man
[18:27] <ibuntu> dobey: how can I find my imei of my nexus 4? my carrier is asking. I tried *#06# but it just says IMEI and doesn't give a number
[18:28] <dobey> ibuntu: under "About this Phone" in System Settings app
[18:28] <Norrin> dobey, i say it's a computer because look at desktop laptop sales.  theyve been plummeting.  people are using celll phones / tablets as computers now instead.  it's a super modern operating system.  supports users, multi-tasking, file management, everything an OS does.  they stopped being only phones when windows ce came out
[18:28] <dobey> ugh, file management
[18:28] <Norrin> ram, multi-core processors, dedicated gpus.... motion processors... on and on
[18:29] <Norrin> no reason to cripple what it is capable of
[18:30] <dobey> you have a very frustrating attitude about phones as computers :-/
[18:30] <ibuntu> dobey: thank you, I have just confirmed with my network carrier that the IMEI is not blocked
[18:30] <beuno> Norrin, battery is the reason to have lifecycles
[18:31] <beuno> they barely get you to the end of the day with the current limitations
[18:31] <beuno> if you let apps go wild they'll last an hour
[18:31] <dobey> my laptop has longer battery life
[18:31] <beuno> and blame the phone OS
[18:31] <dobey> and a smaller profile
[18:31] <Norrin> beuno, correct.  app management should be easy
[18:31]  * dobey misses having phones that actually fit in his pocket
[18:32] <dobey> lol, "easy"
[18:32] <Norrin> i dont believe that it is easy with android.  they do run wild
[18:32] <dobey> if it was easy, it'd be done already :)
[18:32] <Norrin> i'm looking for a more controllable system of what android as, for backgrounding
[18:32] <ibuntu> any ideas how I can get my ubuntu phone conntect to my mobile network again?
[18:33] <beuno> Norrin, that's good, so are we!
[18:33] <dobey> ibuntu: your phone only has ubuntu? you are not using multirom to dual boot, right?
[18:34] <ibuntu> someone at xda developers forums suggested rm /var/lib/urfkilll/saved-states but that didn't work either
[18:34] <ibuntu> and that is correct, it has only ubuntu
[18:34] <Norrin> dobey, ios has a background task switch for each app.  and background network usage. that's pretty much all that's needed.
[18:34] <ibuntu> I did not dual boot as I had no interest in using android
[18:34] <Norrin> the problem is, on ios, when enabled, those abilities are still extremely crippled
[18:34] <dobey> Norrin: ios has a pretty complex system for how background tasks actually work
[18:34] <Norrin> dobey, i know
[18:35] <dobey> that is not all that's needed.
[18:35] <dobey> that's what *you* want
[18:35] <Norrin> 1) configurable / controlable 2) capable
[18:36] <dobey> ibuntu: ok. i'm not sure what denied means exactly then. it's not a sim lock problem, as it would say locked and give you a button to unlock it in that case. i don't know what else to tell you :-/
[18:37] <Norrin> "dobey	misses having phones that actually fit in his pocket" - I see that's where we differ lol
[18:38] <Norrin> i'm *truly* trying to migrate off traditional computers.
[18:38] <Norrin> as soon as these aren't crippled.... trad computers will be the special purpose devices
[18:38] <dobey> at some point you're just going to tend up with a laptop that has a gsm radio in it
[18:38] <ibuntu> dobey: thanks for the response in any case. Do you know anywhere else I might be able to ask for help? I have tried ubuntuforums, askubuntu and xda developers forums and no response really, except the one thing to try at xda developers forums that did not work sadly
[18:39] <Norrin> dobey, there's a small difference to begin with.  that's why apple and microsoft will likely merge they're operating systems.  it's just a matter of when
[18:39] <ibuntu> Norrin: if I could send/receive calls/sms from my laptop, I would not have a phone
[18:39] <ibuntu> err, oops
[18:40] <popey> ibuntu: maybe ask awe_ when he is around
[18:40] <popey> he's the expert
[18:40] <Norrin> the size is the only differentiator.  same capabilities.  so depending on the situation you pick up a difference size
[18:40] <ibuntu> dobey: if I could send/receive calls/sms from my laptop, I would not have a phone
[18:40] <dobey> yeah, my laptop is smaller already
[18:41] <dobey> ibuntu: i would
[18:41] <Norrin> thanks for the convo guys
[18:41] <dobey> well, technically, i can send/recieve calls/sms from my laptop today if i want to
[18:41] <dobey> it's actually not difficult to do
[18:42] <ibuntu> popey: thanks I will post up here and watch for awe_ I will try to hold out for a few more days before reinstalling the OS on my phone, I just have a whole bunch of information and stuff in text messages and the like I would need to manually dig up and copy over into the text files. A lot of work I would like to avoid if possible
[18:42] <ibuntu> dobey: you mean with a paid service like skype or....?
[18:43] <dobey> ibuntu: no, i mean with bluetooth
[18:43] <ibuntu> dobey: I will look this up
[18:44] <dobey> ibuntu: if you have developer mode enabled, you can create a back-up tarball of your data pretty easily.
[18:45] <ibuntu> dobey: as in text messages, contacts and all my quick memo notes? realistically I only need those three things
[18:45] <dobey> yes
[18:46] <ibuntu> dobey: I do have developer mode enabled, how might I figure out how to do such a thing?
[18:47] <dobey> ibuntu: plug in usb, open a terminal on your pc, run phablet-shell to ssh to the phone, close all the running apps on the phone, and run "tar -jcvf /tmp/phone-backup.tar.bz2 /home/phablet"
[18:47] <dobey> then when that's done, exit the ssh session, and run "adb pull /tmp/phone-backup.tar.bz2 ."
[18:49] <dobey> then you should ahve a phone-backup.tar.bz2 on your pc, that has all your data from the phone inside it
[18:50] <ibuntu> doesn't that just backup what is in the home directory?
[18:50] <dobey> where else would your data be?
[18:51] <ibuntu> I did not know text messages and stuff were in there
[18:51] <dobey> i'm pretty certain they are
[18:53] <ibuntu> wouldn't I see some files in there for text messages or contacts or something if I listed all files including hidden ones?
[18:53] <ibuntu> nvm, I do
[18:53] <dobey> they are in an sqlite db, iirc
[18:54] <dobey> contacts are
[18:54] <dobey> .local/share/evolution/addressbook/system/contacts.db is contacts
[18:55] <dobey> i don't recall which one is for sms messages
[18:56] <ibuntu> sounds good, when I reinstall how do I get the files back in there?
[18:58] <dobey> hmm, actually, the sqlite db only has references to messages
[18:58] <dobey> i don't know where the actual messages are stored
[18:59] <dobey> so maybe hold off on that.
[19:00] <cwayne1> .local/share/history-service/history.sqlite
[19:00] <awe_> ibuntu, what's the issue?
[19:00] <cwayne1> dobey: ^
[19:00] <dobey> oh, history-service
[19:01] <ibuntu> awe_: AWESOME! so glad you are on
[19:01] <dobey> ok so yeah they are in home
[19:01] <dobey> thanks cwayne1
[19:02] <cwayne1> np
[19:02] <dobey> ibuntu: to restore, you just "adb push phone-backup.tar.bz2 /tmp/" then phablet-shell and "tar -jxvf /tmp/phone-backup.tar.bz2" and reboot when it's done
[19:03] <ibuntu> awe_: easiest way to describe the issue is to link you  here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ubuntu-touch/help/suddenly-connect-to-cellular-network-t2989788
[19:03] <dobey> ibuntu: then you'll need to re-install any non-default apps from the store that you installed
[19:03]  * awe_ reading
[19:05] <ibuntu> thanks dobey, I will have to do that if I can't sort this out with awe_, btw, I have about 11GB of music in my music folder that it is trying to backup, any way to adjust the tar command to exclude that folder?
[19:06] <awe_> ibuntu, have you been updating the phone all along, or did it just suddenly stop working?
[19:06] <dobey> ibuntu: add "--exclude=/home/phablet/Music" to the arguments list i think
[19:07] <awe_> ibuntu, also... has it had ubuntu on the phone the whole time, or is there any chance you flashed android/CM and then went back to Ubuntu?
[19:07] <awe_> this could've caused a radio fw update
[19:09] <awe_> ibuntu, also in order to get more eyes on the problem, it would probably be best to send an email to the ubuntu-phone ml and additionally open an ofono bug
[19:10] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+filebug
[19:11] <ibuntu> awe_: so I installed Ubuntu on the phone the day after I got it. I never flashed the phone after installing Ubuntu. I initially wasn't  updating for about a month or so as I thought I had automatic updates turned on but I did not. I started updating a few weeks ago and was using the phone fine for at least a week, fully updated
[19:12] <awe_> and then it just stopped working? or did it stop after an update?
[19:13] <ibuntu> no, it did not seem to be related to an update. I had the phone competely up to date and with automatic updates on and it was working fine for a good week
[19:13] <ibuntu> I had restarted it many times as I have to restart it to get things working a lot of the time
[19:13] <awe_> got it, and then one day it just stopped registering?
[19:13] <dobey> also which channel and image # are you on?
[19:13] <awe_> could you pastebin the output of 'system-image-cli -i'?
[19:14] <awe_> that'll give us all the important details
[19:14] <dobey> awe_: btw, do you know what "Denied" sim status means exactly?
[19:15] <ibuntu> I came home from work on monday morning and was connected. I restarted the phone to get bluetooth to turn back on and then it would not connect to the network, it said Denied and has been like that since (8 days ago monday)
[19:15] <awe_> dobey, as defined in the dictionary
[19:15] <awe_> ;D
[19:15] <dobey> i'm not sure the OED understands ofono as well as you might ;)
[19:16] <awe_> it means the operator said no to the phone attempting to register
[19:16] <dobey> ok, that's what i thought, and why i suggested verifying if the IMEI got blocked for some reason
[19:17] <ibuntu> you mean pastebin that output when I file the bug? I have already included it in the post I linked you
[19:17] <ibuntu> awe_: at dobey's suggestion I contacted my network carrier and they concfirmed the imei is not blocked
[19:17] <awe_> ibuntu, sure...  again, not many of us read the xda forum which is why I suggested an email to the mailing-list and a bug
[19:18] <awe_> that will get the problem in front of a few more of the ubuntu telephony engineers
[19:18] <ibuntu> thanks, I am having a very difficult time trying to figure out the best place to get support with ubuntu for phones
[19:18] <awe_> also... if you file the bug, please attached /var/log/syslog ( after a fresh reboot ), and the output of /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[19:19] <ibuntu> But just to check, you have access to the output of my system-image-cli -i atm, right?
[19:19] <awe_> ibuntu, well... you're running a community build which isn't officially supported by *anyone*.  It's meant for developers...
[19:20] <ibuntu> Did I install the wrong image channel?
[19:20] <awe_> no
[19:20] <dobey> ibuntu: curious. if you open Cellular Settings from the network indicator, or system settings, have you tried tapping on the "Carrier" there and switching between manual/automatic, and different carriers (if different ones show up)?
[19:21] <dobey> awe_: eh? the Nexus 4 is an officially supported device on !devices :)
[19:21] <awe_> ibuntu, one other thing you might try is to re-flash...
[19:21] <dobey> i guess the bot doesn't understand that, or it's missing
[19:21] <awe_> dobey, it's still purposed for developers...  there's no *official* support for it.
[19:22] <ibuntu> awe_: so just for clarification, there is no official support for Ubuntu for devices at all? Until it comes out on native hardware?
[19:22] <awe_> I didn't say that...
[19:22] <awe_> devices is a pretty broad term
[19:23] <ibuntu> sorry, I read a post where someone was told "ubuntu touch is now called ubuntu for devices"
[19:23] <awe_> there's no official support of the Nexus4  Ubuntu builds by Canonical, although as it's our reference device, we do our best to informally support via mailing-list, IRC, launchpad
[19:23] <ibuntu> I guess, seeing as this channel is call ubuntu-touch I should continue to refer to it as ubuntu touch
[19:23] <doomlord_> oh ubuntu touch, i stopped following it... has it advanced at all?
[19:24] <doomlord_> i recall talk of desktop convergance etc
[19:24] <awe_> ibuntu, np re: the naming.  It confuses me sometime too! ;)-
[19:24] <ibuntu> awe_: and yeah, I was about to reflash with dobey's advice about how to back up my text messages as I have a bunch of data in there I didn't want to manually dig out
[19:25] <awe_> doomlord_, yes, it's progressed...  convergence is still something we're working towards, but not currently part of the product
[19:25] <awe_> ibuntu, got it
[19:26] <doomlord_> i was always intruiged by the idea of a desktop os on an arm tablet, docked
[19:26] <doomlord_> even if it needs some lightweight setup to make it useable
[19:26] <ibuntu> so right now, the only thing I can try is to reflash? and if I am still experiencing the issue post a bug report?
[19:27] <doomlord_> on its' own, i'm not so interested in simply getting a replacement for android on an android device.. but the convergance idea was inspiring
[19:27] <awe_> ibuntu, well... you could send an email/file a bug prior to re-flashing, but it might take us awhile to determine what's gone wrong
[19:27] <dobey> doomlord_: if you stopped following it, why are you in this channel? :) just to troll?
[19:28] <doomlord_> i just fired up this IRC client and it has this on the channel list.
[19:28] <awe_> doomlord_, it's something we're working towards, but you have to walk before you can run
[19:28] <doomlord_> ok
[19:28] <dobey> right
[19:29] <dobey> and a better phone os than android is welcome too
[19:29] <dobey> now if i could just get a phone that was a reasonable size
[19:29] <awe_> d'oh
[19:29] <doomlord_> even running a minimal desktop would be interesting.. some minimal WM , terminals, no need for a whole fancy DE
[19:29] <awe_> dobey, yea I'm with you there.  not a big fan of this whole phablet nonsense myself
[19:30] <awe_> doomlord_, it'll happen, but it also requires hw that's purpose-built
[19:31] <doomlord_> oh, beyond the basic ability to plug in a display ?
[19:31] <awe_> ( ie. you need the right connectors/docking hw )
[19:32] <ibuntu> dobey: took me a minute to pop my sim back into the nexus 4 but switching to manual causes my roaming network to appear, WIND Away
[19:33] <dobey> i seem to have misplaced my old samsung phone which was about the perfect size (external dimentions, screen could be a bit bigger with some other small tweaks) though; certainly any phone bigger than the pre3 is too big
[19:33] <dobey> ibuntu: not the local network though?
[19:33] <awe_> I still like the Nexus5 form-factor the best
[19:33] <ibuntu> dobey, this is correct
[19:33] <dobey> nexus 5 is too big; it barely fits in my pcoket
[19:33] <awe_> ibuntu, it's weird that they have a roaming network available locally...
[19:34] <dobey> ibuntu: weird
[19:34] <dobey> ibuntu: do  you have roaming disabled on your service?
[19:35] <ibuntu> awe_, dobey, on android usually WIND has their WIND Home network and 2 different WIND Away networks available to connect to; I have asked WIND to block my sim cards ability to connect to a roaming network as I never want extra charges
[19:35] <ibuntu> this was something I did years ago when I first set up the account
[19:35] <ibuntu> it is nothing new
[19:35] <dobey> ibuntu: that explains the "Denied" then
[19:36] <ibuntu> I guess it is trying to connect to the away network and getting a denied
[19:36] <dobey> ibuntu: for some reason it's only seeing the roaming network and trying to connect to that, which is of course denied due to your account
[19:36] <ibuntu> but as I said, my house-mate on a different network carrier gets the same Denied
[19:36] <dobey> right. maybe for the same reason; i can't tell you why exactly :)
[19:37] <dobey> i have no idea why it wouldn't be seeing the proper network though :-/
[19:39] <ibuntu> I will try to reflash and if I am still having the issue I will continue to try other sim cards to see which networks are working and which are not
[19:40] <awe_> ibuntu, if you flash without --bootstrap and --wipe, your data will be preserved
[19:40] <ibuntu> text messages and all?
[19:40] <awe_> ibuntu, but to be safe you can do: adb pull /home/phablet/.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite
[19:40] <awe_> ibuntu, correct
[19:41] <dobey> ibuntu: did you not create the backup already?
[19:41] <awe_> without --wipe or --bootstrap, data in the phablet user homedir is preserved
[19:41] <dobey> should be. always good to back up when flashing a device :)
[19:41] <ibuntu> dobey: using the tar command you suggested? I haven't gotten around to it quite yet
[19:41] <dobey> never know when recovery might go bonkers or something
[19:41] <dobey> ibuntu: yes
[19:42] <ibuntu> I will do that now
[19:42] <awe_> again, no guarantees that this will solve the problem, but it's probably your best chance at fixing it without filing a bug, and us going back and forth trying to root cause
[19:43] <ibuntu> awe_: you are saying text messages are stored in /home/phablet/.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite and I can just back that up?
[19:43] <awe_> yes
[19:43] <dobey> there are other files you'll want to back up as well
[19:43] <ibuntu> ty, I will back up and reflash and let you guys know how that goes. Thank you so much for the help btw
[19:43] <ibuntu> yes
[19:43] <ibuntu> I will do both back ups
[19:44] <awe_> ibuntu, I'd grab the file, re-flash, and only restore it if things aren't still there after the flash...
[19:44] <dobey> app settings, contacts, accounts, etc…
[19:49] <ibuntu> awe_, thanks, that's what I was thinking. I am also going to backup my home folder as dobey suggested, jic
[19:50] <awe_> ibuntu, ok good luck!
[19:51] <ibuntu> awe_: thanks, so I should boot back into developer mode and run 'ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09' and that will install the most stable/most supported version of Ubuntu Touch as present?
[19:51] <sergiusens> ibuntu awe_ leave out --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[19:52] <sergiusens> ibuntu: if you are doing this from recovery, you will need to add --device
[19:52] <ibuntu> sorry I meant reboot into the bootloader
[19:53] <dobey> no, you need to be in recovery or in the running system with developer mode enabled; in bootloader you have to use --bootstrap which will wipe the device, iirc
[19:54] <ibuntu> okay, so just leave adb shell and run 'ubuntu-device-flash'
[19:55] <ibuntu> with the phone on
[20:12] <ibuntu> awe_, dobey, just finished backing everything up. and I have the nexus 4 on and connected (loaded into ubuntu touch), I am going to run 'ubuntu-device-flash' from my laptop. not in an adb shell. this is correct?
[20:16] <awe_> yes
[20:16] <ibuntu> ty, reflashing now
[21:05] <ahoneybun> hello my N4 does not show up with "adb devices"
[21:05] <ahoneybun> I have developer mode on
[21:06] <sergiusens> ahoneybun: try replugin or restarting adb on the host
[21:06] <ahoneybun> I know the SDK is having problems detecting it as well
[21:07] <ahoneybun> what is the command to restart adb sergiusens ?
[21:09] <popey> adb kill-server
[21:09] <ahoneybun> thanks popey
[21:09] <ahoneybun> but still I have problems
[21:09] <ahoneybun> I used the same cable and port as I used to install Ubuntu on it
[21:10] <ahoneybun> so I know the cable is fine and the port
[21:11] <popey> turn off developer mode and back on again
[21:12] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:12] <ahoneybun> wth it turned itself off
[21:13] <popey> Magic
[21:14] <ahoneybun> seems I have to be running mir to run the phone app on desktop
[21:21] <dobey> ahoneybun: which app?
[21:22] <ahoneybun> dobey, any
[21:22] <popey> ahoneybun: how you installing the apps?
[21:22] <ahoneybun> I tried phone
[21:22] <ahoneybun> adb shell phone
[21:22] <dobey> oh
[21:22] <ahoneybun> qmlscene phone.qml
[21:22] <dobey> adb shell phone runs it on a device
[21:23] <dobey> and qmlscene foo.qml won't necessarily work
[21:23] <ahoneybun> the app dev school says it runs it on the desktop
[21:23] <dobey> nothing to do with mir necessarily though
[21:23] <popey> ah
[21:23] <popey> woah there cowboy ☻
[21:23] <ibuntu> awe_, dobey, thanks for the help but sadly reflashing my device did not solve the issue. I will file a bug report and email the ubuntu touch ml
[21:24] <popey> qmlscene foo.qml works on the desktop just fine.
[21:24] <ahoneybun> interested
[21:24] <ahoneybun> crap
[21:24] <ahoneybun> tried to copy
[21:24] <popey> on the phone thats different
[21:24] <popey> you can launch apps on the phone though
[21:24] <dobey> popey: assuming all the necessary bits are importable without any additional configuration for qml, yes
[21:24] <popey> right, yeah
[21:24] <awe_> ibuntu, OK, it was worth a shot...
[21:26] <ahoneybun> popey, I'm trying to deploy my app on the device but I get 2 errors
[21:26] <popey> how are you deploying?
[21:27] <ahoneybun> though SDK
[21:27] <popey> pressing green button in qtcreator?
[21:28] <ahoneybun> :-1: warning: desktop_Exec (UbuntuBeginner): found unexpected Exec with architecture 'all': ./qtc_device_debughelper.py
[21:28] <ahoneybun> :-1: warning: security_policy_groups_safe_UbuntuBeginner (debug): (REJECT) reserved policy group 'debug': not for production use
[21:28] <ahoneybun> The debug policy group is automatically injected and should only be used for development.
[21:28] <ahoneybun> To create a package for the store use the publish tab!
[21:28] <ahoneybun> crap
[21:28] <ahoneybun> sorry
[21:28] <ahoneybun> thought it would be on one line
[21:29] <popey> hmm, odd, not seen that
[21:29] <ahoneybun> darn
[21:30] <ahoneybun> on a off note.
[21:30] <ahoneybun> I'm thinking of doing a Dev App school for Global Jam next month
[21:31] <ahoneybun> at a spot the local LUG use
[22:47] <ibuntu> awe_, dobey, I decided, since I had all my stuff backed up, to flash the device back to android and then reinstall ubuntu developer channel. Low and behold, I am connected to the WIND Home network... everything seems to be in working order
[22:47] <dobey> ibuntu: cool
[22:47] <dobey> ibuntu: maybe you needed a radio update and the flash to android did that
[22:47] <awe_> ibuntu, great news...  my guess is that somehow the radio fw got messed up
[22:53] <ibuntu> awe_, dobey, sounds something like that. Thanks for all your help guys. I have learned a good bit throughout this whole process. Should I switch to the rtm channel if I want a more stable system? I used 'ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap' I'm not sure how unstable this channel is but I had all sorts of issues with the rtm channel with crashing, apps breaking, etc. I was constantly having to restart. Am I better of
[22:56] <awe_> ibuntu, if you run 'ubuntu-device-flash --list-channels', you'll see all the choices available and you'll notice that devel is an alias to our vivid images
[22:57] <dobey> ibuntu: devel is based off 15.04 and a bit less stable at this point, yeah. not sure what issues you were having exactly on rtm, but it's been pretty ok for me on my nexus5
[22:57] <awe_> your probably best using: ubuntu-touch/stable (alias to ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09)
[22:59] <ibuntu> awe_, unknown flag list-channels
[23:00] <dobey> huh, someone broke that
[23:02] <awe_> ibuntu, what release are you running?
[23:02] <ibuntu> Right now, on the phone? That got me connected to my network again?
[23:03] <awe_> it works fine on 14.10; version  - 0.4+14.10.20141002-0ubuntu1
[23:03] <awe_> no on your desktop
[23:03] <ibuntu> 14.10
[23:03] <awe_> is it up-to-date?
[23:03] <awe_> I just tried and it works fine
[23:03] <ibuntu> as of yesterday or the day before. I have not updated today
[23:03] <dobey> 1.1+14.10.20141002-0ubuntu1
[23:03] <awe_> it's "--list-channels"
[23:03] <dobey> awe_: ^^ that's the version of phablet-tools i have. are you up to date? :)
[23:04] <awe_> yes
[23:04] <dobey> hmm
[23:04] <awe_> dobey, it doesn't work for you either?
[23:04] <dobey> 0.4+15.04.20141125-0ubuntu1
[23:04] <awe_> that's weird
[23:04] <dobey> oh, that's what i have
[23:04] <dobey> forgot ubuntu-device-flash is its own package
[23:04] <awe_> ;)
[23:05] <ibuntu> I should maybe include that it outputs this line before unknown flag: DEPRECATED: Implicit 'touch' subcommand assumed
[23:05] <dobey> i'm on 14.04 though, with the sdk ppa
[23:05] <dobey> and yes, it doesn't work for me either :)
[23:06] <awe_> hmmm, not sure about the PPA version
[23:06] <awe_> but it definitely works on 14.10
[23:06] <awe_> you can verify it by running 'ubuntu-device-flash --help'
[23:06] <dobey> yeah, --help doesn't list the option either
[23:07] <awe_> what's the version of ubuntu-device-flash on your system?
[23:07] <ibuntu> same for me
[23:07] <dobey> 0.4+15.04.20141125-0ubuntu1
[23:07] <awe_> is it the same as mine?
[23:07] <dobey> for me
[23:07] <ibuntu> how do I get the version?
[23:07] <dobey> dpkg -l ubuntu-device-flash
[23:08] <dobey> or dpkg -l|grep ubuntu-device-flash if it gets cropped due to terminal size
[23:08] <cwayne1>  ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device mako
[23:08] <awe_> or dpkg-query -W <pkgname>
[23:08] <ibuntu> 0.4+15.04.20
[23:08] <ibuntu> oops
[23:08] <cwayne1> RTFM :P
[23:08] <ibuntu> that got cut right?
[23:09] <dobey> cwayne1: nope, it's broken in the ppa version
[23:09] <cwayne1> you have to do ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device <whatever> now at least on 14.10
[23:09] <dobey> ibuntu: yes, but it's enough to show you have the ppa version
[23:09] <cwayne1> hm, thats obnoxious
[23:09] <dobey> oh
[23:09] <dobey> well TFM is lies
[23:09] <ibuntu> 0.4+15.04.20141125-0ubuntu1
[23:10] <dobey>   ubuntu-device-flash [OPTIONS] touch [touch-OPTIONS]
[23:10] <cwayne1> oh mine shows   ubuntu-device-flash [OPTIONS] <core | query | touch>
[23:10] <dobey> ubuntu-device-flash query --device mako --list-channels
[23:10] <dobey> that does work
[23:11] <dobey> cwayne1: *fun*!
[23:11] <cwayne1> dobey: thats what i said! i think this is all churn from snappy stuff or something tbh
[23:12] <ibuntu> same for me. with the subcommand query. the issue was that it was assuming touch as the subcommand
[23:14] <ibuntu> awe_, under you suggestion I will run 'ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable' to revert to the latest stable build
[23:15] <awe_> ibuntu, sounds good
[23:18] <ibuntu> in the meantime , I wanted to ask you guys, in all the videos I see of people using Ubuntu touch their background is purple or the same color as the default ubuntu background. Mine has always been white. What's the deal with this? How can I get the purple background?
[23:23] <cwayne1> ibuntu: anything showing a purple background is quite old
[23:23] <ibuntu> thanks for the info... any way to get it back?
[23:25] <nhaines> No, there are no plans to support backgrounds on the Dash.
[23:25] <ibuntu> thanks again for the info
[23:26] <ibuntu> awe_, dobey, reflashed to Ubuntu 14.10 (r12) and I'm still connected. I will try your suggested methods to restore my text messages and let you know how everything goes
[23:27] <awe_> ok.  Did you use --wipe or --bootstrap?
[23:27] <ibuntu> awe_, no, should I have?
[23:28] <awe_> ah...sorry forgot you flashed android
[23:28] <awe_> never mind
[23:29] <ibuntu> awe_, I thought that is what you might have been thinking... while we are on the subject, you or dobey suggested that reflashing to android may have updated the radio fw? Is there any kind of command I could issue from the phone or adb shell to do this without having to reflash to android? (say, if, for example, I were to encounter this issue again)
[23:30] <awe_> ibuntu, not something I can answer off the top of my head...
[23:30] <ibuntu> awe_, do you know how I could go about finding something like that out?
[23:30] <dobey> ibuntu: no, to update the radio fw, you have to do it from the bootloader using the android tools
[23:31] <ibuntu> dobey, can't I access those by booting into the bootloader without having to reflash back to android?
[23:31] <dobey> at least on the n4. not sure how that will work exactly on the real ubuntu phones coming out
[23:31] <dobey> ibuntu: you don't have to flash back to android to do it
[23:31] <awe_> ibuntu, not something you should normally have to worry about.  If you're going to use the phone for day-to-day use, sticking with the stable release channel is the best advice I have for you right now
[23:31] <dobey> ibuntu: the android image tarball has separate radio and system images; you can flash only the radio segment
[23:32] <awe_> you also can really hose your phone if you flash the wrong fw
[23:32] <dobey> yeah. you have to pay a bit of attention and have some idea of what you're doing
[23:33] <ibuntu> that's reasonable. I am glad to have not bricked my phone at any point with all of this reflashing
[23:34] <dobey> eh. bricking a nexus phone is something you have to try pretty hard to do
[23:34] <dobey> or be really dumb and flash the firmware for the wrong thing
[23:35] <dobey> anyway, definitely time for me to go
[23:35] <dobey> later
[23:36] <ibuntu> dobey, thanks for all your help
[23:36] <ibuntu> awe_, same to you
[23:36] <awe_> np
[23:40]  * ahoneybun walks in
[23:40] <nexus7user> hello
[23:41] <nexus7user> looking to see if anyone uses a 2012 nexus 7 with ubuntu touch
[23:41] <nhaines> That isn't possible.
[23:41] <nexus7user> gotcha
[23:41] <nexus7user> that's unfortunate
[23:42] <nexus7user> now selling: 32GB Nexus 7 2012 version...
[23:43] <nexus7user> anyone?
[23:44] <nhaines> The 2012 Nexus 7 and 2013 Nexus 7 are entirely different hardware devices.
[23:48] <nexus7user> shocking
[23:49] <ibuntu> awe_, so to get my text messages back I would use 'adb push /home/phablet/.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite' or something similar?
[23:53] <awe_> ibuntu, you push it back to the same dir you pulled it from
[23:53] <ibuntu> awe_, yeah, just not sure about the syntax for the push command. I can't find a man page for it
[23:54] <awe_> adb push <source file> <destination>
[23:55] <ibuntu> ty
[23:55] <awe_> 'adb help' give you all the gory details too
[23:55] <ibuntu> ahhh, I was trying to man adb
[23:59] <ibuntu> awe_, thanks so much. got everything back