AndChat|99281 | good morning everyone | 04:20 |
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=== AndChat|99281 is now known as bduk1 | ||
bduk1 | morning bushtech | 04:25 |
tumbleweed | superfly: ubuntu-za.org moved to https | 05:15 |
64MABMGCQ | More almal | 05:19 |
=== 64MABMGCQ is now known as bduk1 | ||
nuvolari | o/ oh hi | 06:05 |
nuvolari | Maaz: seen kilos | 06:06 |
Maaz | nuvolari: kilos was last seen 8 hours, 50 minutes and 46 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-05 13:15:18 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-05 13:15:44 PST | 06:06 |
bduk1 | Looks like poor kilos is still strugling with that ssd | 06:29 |
bushtech | might still be sleeping | 06:31 |
bushtech | lets hope he's still sleeping | 06:32 |
Squirm | morning all | 07:30 |
=== vincent is now known as Guest60141 | ||
=== Guest60141 is now known as Vince-0 | ||
Kilos | Maaz: coffee on | 07:45 |
* Maaz puts the kettle on | 07:45 | |
Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 07:49 |
Kilos | Maaz danke | 07:50 |
Maaz | Bitteschön | 07:50 |
Kilos | evening everyone | 07:50 |
Vince-0 | Haai | 07:54 |
Kilos | hows things Vince-0 | 07:55 |
* Kilos weak today | 07:55 | |
Vince-0 | yar nee, larka | 07:55 |
Kilos | hehe | 07:56 |
Kilos | i wonder how many peeps will understand you | 07:56 |
Vince-0 | most of the country I guess | 07:56 |
Kilos | oh ya | 07:57 |
bushtech | more Kilos sitrep ssd please | 07:58 |
Kilos | at the moment its been formatted to ext2 and gparted is doing a check to see whats no lekker bushtech | 07:59 |
Kilos | its a used one the guy says so dunno how much life is left in it | 08:00 |
Kilos | but im getting my 1TB drive sorted that i wipe everything out of /home/ | 08:01 |
bushtech | hope its good | 08:01 |
Kilos | well the end should be, or at least the second half | 08:01 |
Kilos | its again a learning curve. i dont know how they work so will need gparted to tell me whats not good | 08:02 |
Squirm | hello | 08:03 |
bushtech | well, you're the drive expert | 08:03 |
Kilos | hdd only so far | 08:03 |
Kilos | ssd is just a box full of chips i think, so its to find the faulty one and try work out how to not use it\ | 08:04 |
Kilos | hows Squirm | 08:04 |
* Kilos waves to tumbleweed | 08:05 | |
Kilos | you still here? | 08:05 |
Kilos | in za that is | 08:05 |
Kilos | ha bushtech apparently all ssd manufacturers supply tool boxes for their products | 08:38 |
Kilos | http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/support/downloads.html | 08:38 |
Kilos | even got a linux version at the bottom | 08:38 |
bushtech | great stuff | 08:41 |
bushtech | ubuntu also has something called Disk Utility under advanced there you can check out all your attached drives | 08:42 |
bushtech | very handy for raid server to get advanced warning that a drive is going south | 08:43 |
Kilos | the disk utility tells me its all good | 08:48 |
Kilos | grrr | 08:48 |
bushtech | be happy | 08:49 |
bushtech | so what is the problem? | 08:49 |
inetpro | good mornings | 08:50 |
theblazehen | bushtech: or just use smartctl | 08:50 |
theblazehen | hi inetpro | 08:50 |
bushtech | thanks theblazehen , will have a look at it | 08:52 |
* inetpro waiting for the Telkom technician to eventually come and pay me a visit | 08:53 | |
Kilos | eish inetpro wassup? | 08:53 |
inetpro | holding thumbs that he will be able to improve signal a bit | 08:53 |
Kilos | hi theblazehen | 08:53 |
theblazehen | hi Kilos | 08:53 |
inetpro | this visit comes from my logging the call on 29 November | 08:53 |
theblazehen | ouch | 08:53 |
Kilos | sjoe for bad signal inetpro ? | 08:54 |
inetpro | doing ok since the purchase of the LTE router but only have two bars reception still | 08:54 |
bduk | where are you inetpro ? | 08:54 |
inetpro | bduk: Pretoria North | 08:54 |
Kilos | i think they mess up with too few techs to do outside work | 08:55 |
Kilos | if its the guy that came here he will help you | 08:55 |
Kilos | even knows ubuntu | 08:55 |
inetpro | at least I get a bit of LTE but it still drops to 3G from time to time | 08:56 |
Kilos | but you should have tweeted them as well then they send someone quicker | 08:56 |
inetpro | Kilos: I did | 08:56 |
Kilos | wow | 08:56 |
Kilos | cool | 08:56 |
Kilos | i never get lte but my 3g rocks | 08:57 |
inetpro | looks like most of them went on holiday early | 08:57 |
Kilos | ya must be | 08:57 |
bduk | Cant believe you can have a bad signal there thought it is only us on the rural areas that strugle | 08:58 |
Kilos | it was actually interesting watching how they decide | 08:58 |
Kilos | he brings his lappy and if its also bad then he feeds back to them or he goes himself to check the tower | 08:59 |
Kilos | he is rural bduk | 08:59 |
Kilos | like me maplotter | 08:59 |
* inetpro wbb | 08:59 | |
bduk | and me | 08:59 |
Kilos | ya | 08:59 |
Kilos | your a maplaaser | 09:00 |
bduk | same difference | 09:00 |
Kilos | they got a big farm there i think | 09:00 |
bduk | you know how to make a mil bucks from farming? | 09:00 |
Kilos | sell the farm | 09:01 |
bduk | no you start with 10 mil | 09:01 |
Kilos | lol | 09:01 |
Kilos | farming is hard work | 09:01 |
Kilos | you get no rest | 09:01 |
bduk | true | 09:02 |
bduk | and dangerous | 09:02 |
Kilos | yeah | 09:02 |
Kilos | but best lifestyle | 09:02 |
Kilos | you can make money but you work | 09:03 |
Kilos | from 5am till 8pm every day | 09:03 |
bduk | you must have equipment and that is a lot of money | 09:03 |
Kilos | yip in todays world its even harder | 09:04 |
bduk | Kilos: can you recap for me on last night's lesson? | 09:05 |
Kilos | oh my bushtech it was very interesting but mostly above me | 09:06 |
Kilos | the fly will mail all the how tos to the list i think he said | 09:06 |
Kilos | im so happy on this kde | 09:08 |
bduk | I agree think there is a lot of basics that the teacher didn't share with us, mebe you and me must go for some special classes | 09:08 |
Kilos | gonna get it going on the ssd or die trying | 09:08 |
Kilos | bduk ya maybe we can ask him to help us with the basics on #linux-studies | 09:09 |
Kilos | well not me anyway, my learning apparatus sucks | 09:13 |
Kilos | im ok at copy/pasting | 09:13 |
inetpro | hmm... | 09:21 |
inetpro | guy tested and noted weak signal, let's hope he can get something done about it | 09:22 |
Kilos | ya lets hope inetpro | 09:33 |
Kilos | after he was here within a weak mine rocked | 09:34 |
Kilos | week | 09:34 |
theblazehen | My hard drives were at 90 something celcius yesterday night.. | 09:37 |
bushtech | disks in my server running at 42C | 09:39 |
bushtech | 90 seems helluva hot | 09:39 |
bushtech | sell your kettle, boil water on drives:) | 09:40 |
theblazehen | haha, yeah.. :D | 09:46 |
bushtech | but seriously , 25 to 40 is ideal temp | 09:50 |
Kilos | sjoe | 09:50 |
Kilos | overwork | 09:51 |
bushtech | 41 to 50 acceptable | 09:51 |
bushtech | theblazehen, are your drives next to each other, can you move 1 so you have a open bay between them? | 09:54 |
Kilos | inetpro you got 2 mins? | 10:05 |
Kilos | i need to make konsole text larger please | 10:06 |
Kilos | all my other text is ok now using the settings, only konsole is tiny | 10:07 |
Kilos | oh i just needed to open a new konsole | 10:08 |
Kilos | ai! | 10:08 |
Kilos | ooo lekker | 10:10 |
Kilos | Maaz seen gremble | 10:40 |
Maaz | Kilos: gremble was last seen 8 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-12-28 13:26:21 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-02 15:39:09 PST | 10:40 |
theblazehen | bushtech: yep, and no... | 11:52 |
bushtech | then you'll have to make another plan | 11:55 |
theblazehen | yeah | 12:07 |
bushtech | fans clean & all working? | 12:13 |
theblazehen | cpu and psu fan is all I got.. | 12:14 |
bushtech | huh | 12:15 |
theblazehen | lol | 12:15 |
bushtech | what you using for a pc box? A staal trommel? | 12:16 |
theblazehen | lol. I was doing a FS conversion last night. Lots of IO.. | 12:16 |
theblazehen | 53 now | 12:16 |
bushtech | fair enough, but only psu and cpu fans? | 12:19 |
Kilos | lol | 12:19 |
bushtech | just checked my boxes and all got at least one chassis fan | 12:22 |
bushtech | newest one also has a 175mm fan on side of box | 12:23 |
theblazehen | heh | 12:28 |
theblazehen | All boxes still have space for floppy disk or zip drive | 12:28 |
bushtech | put one hd in floppy space | 12:30 |
Kilos | bushtech gparted really taking long with that drive | 12:42 |
Kilos | it did a 1TB hdd faster | 12:42 |
theblazehen | bushtech: one is... only space free is CD drive space | 12:44 |
bushtech | kilos, wonder if that drive is ok? | 12:52 |
Kilos | i dunno | 12:52 |
Kilos | maybe gparted check isnt made for ssd's | 12:53 |
bushtech | Kilos, google : speed up your SSD by correctly aligning your partitions | 12:56 |
bushtech | & find the lifehacker hit | 13:00 |
bushtech | interesting bit in ther about how gparted allocates space | 13:01 |
inetpro | Kilos: just press Ctrl++ and Ctrl+- | 13:07 |
Kilos | i have it fixed ty inetpro | 13:08 |
Kilos | made them pixels things more | 13:08 |
inetpro | ai! | 13:08 |
Kilos | lol | 13:09 |
Kilos | n boer maak n plan | 13:10 |
inetpro | can't you see 'Enlarge Font' and 'Shrink Font' in the View menu? | 13:10 |
Kilos | aw i havent looked for a view menu | 13:11 |
Kilos | so where is this view menu | 13:12 |
Kilos | oh ya | 13:12 |
Kilos | goodness grascious dammit me | 13:12 |
Kilos | why isnt that info all over in the google pages | 13:13 |
inetpro | because it is so obvious, nobody needs to blog this kind of info | 13:16 |
Kilos | ai! | 13:16 |
Kilos | swines | 13:16 |
inetpro | you getting spoiled by the interwebs Kilos? | 13:17 |
Kilos | lol ya | 13:17 |
Kilos | hi Joe_knock | 14:14 |
Kilos | wbb reboot time | 14:14 |
Joe_knock | Hey oom | 14:14 |
inetpro | wb Kilos | 14:45 |
Kilos | hmm... storm hit tower, emergencies only now | 15:38 |
Kilos | Maaz coffee on | 15:56 |
* Maaz washes some mugs | 15:56 | |
Kilos | before the power goes | 15:56 |
Kilos | Maaz hurry | 15:56 |
Maaz | Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed | 15:56 |
Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 16:00 |
Kilos | Maaz ty | 16:00 |
Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 16:00 |
bduk1 | Maak jy kilos | 16:17 |
Kilos | werk op die ssd en speel freecell | 16:18 |
bduk1 | Werk die ssd nou | 16:19 |
Kilos | ek is nog besig om dit te re align | 16:19 |
bduk1 | Klink maar fishy | 16:20 |
Kilos | http://lifehacker.com/5837769/make-sure-your-partitions-are-correctly-aligned-for-optimal-solid-state-drive-performance | 16:20 |
bduk1 | Ok sal later lees | 16:22 |
tumbleweed | hi Kilos | 16:29 |
Kilos | hi tumbleweed | 16:31 |
Kilos | are you back in the states yet? | 16:31 |
Kilos | wbb gonna try ssd again | 16:34 |
captine | evening all | 17:24 |
theblazehen | hi captine | 17:27 |
inetpro | good evening captine and theblazehen | 17:29 |
inetpro | oh and hi yo everyone else | 17:29 |
inetpro | to* | 17:30 |
captine | quick question to those who may be in IT or in the know. I have a mac mini server (2012 i7 2x1TB 5400rpm drives in raid 0 ).. am thinking of loading proxmox on it and running as a hypervisor.. just not sure if I should rather use ubuntu desktop and use kvm for vms? | 17:31 |
captine | what would you do.. it currently has apple os x on, with a number of virtualbox vms | 17:32 |
captine | virtualbox vms | 17:32 |
captine | weird. my screen is not showing all text. strange | 17:32 |
inetpro | captine: what type of systems are you running in the VM space, server or desktops? | 17:39 |
captine | server mainly | 17:39 |
captine | for messing with | 17:39 |
inetpro | can't say that I know the environment well enough yet but for now I prefer KVM for servers | 17:40 |
inetpro | Virtualbox is nice for testing desktops | 17:41 |
captine | proxmox uses kvm, but it has a web frontend. i am not sure how to manage the vms on a straight ubuntu server | 17:41 |
captine | if ubuntu is the bare metal os | 17:41 |
* inetpro prefers CLI as far as possible | 17:41 | |
captine | :) | 17:41 |
captine | i am an accountant.. i take the picture approach, although dont have a desktop on my server installs | 17:42 |
theblazehen | hey inetpro | 17:42 |
theblazehen | Proxmox was nice.. | 17:42 |
theblazehen | Feature wise, only extra thing proxmox has is OpenVZ support | 17:42 |
inetpro | I find virsh to be quite powerful and flexible | 17:42 |
theblazehen | I'm liking virt-manager at the moment | 17:42 |
inetpro | virt-manager is nice to start with | 17:43 |
inetpro | very simple and straight forward | 17:43 |
theblazehen | inetpro: besides that, what do you use when you need a GUI? Straight vnc? | 17:43 |
inetpro | theblazehen: I have not done enough testing with KVM based desktops, all I know is that plain VNC is not perfect | 17:44 |
theblazehen | inetpro: alright. Tried SPICE? | 17:44 |
inetpro | Virtualbox is much better in that space, for now | 17:45 |
theblazehen | Last time I tried, my laptop wasn't fast enough... | 17:45 |
theblazehen | yeah | 17:45 |
theblazehen | AFAIK virt-manager uses VNC right? | 17:45 |
inetpro | I've tried spice as well | 17:45 |
inetpro | theblazehen: or spice IIRC | 17:45 |
theblazehen | ah, yeah.. But default is vnc | 17:45 |
inetpro | yes | 17:45 |
captine | convirt looks nice for a web management tool.... apparently it is available for ubuntu server.... | 17:46 |
inetpro | the moment you want to go serious, you probably want to get RHEV | 17:46 |
theblazehen | captine: wow, looks good.. I guess my brother probably doesn't need his pc anymore | 17:47 |
theblazehen | inetpro: afaik oVirt is to RHEV what fedora is to RHEL | 17:47 |
theblazehen | might be worth a look | 17:47 |
inetpro | cool | 17:48 |
theblazehen | web gui looks good, but won't install to a 4 GB usb.. | 17:48 |
theblazehen | wb georgl | 17:52 |
inetpro | theblazehen: nice, we can even build our own oVirt on debian/ubuntu? | 17:58 |
theblazehen | I had some trouble on ubuntu, but should work well on centos | 17:59 |
inetpro | hmm... | 17:59 |
captine | i think i will install ubuntu desktop (so i can use the machine for browwsing etc) then install the server tools in the background | 18:06 |
captine | and run some VM's | 18:06 |
miles | hmm... | 18:21 |
=== miles is now known as Kilos | ||
inetpro | hello miles | 18:23 |
inetpro | wb | 18:23 |
inetpro | wat is fout? | 18:23 |
Kilos | ek is weer op die ssd | 18:24 |
inetpro | uh | 18:24 |
inetpro | met kde? | 18:24 |
Kilos | eerst 40g uitgelos | 18:25 |
Kilos | ya met kde | 18:25 |
inetpro | mooi! | 18:25 |
Kilos | maar daar was baie van my archives wat nie reg oorgebring is van die 1TB | 18:26 |
inetpro | het jy neergeskryf wat jy alles gedoen het? | 18:26 |
Kilos | lol nee maar dit was als gparted | 18:26 |
inetpro | ai! | 18:26 |
Kilos | het ook die ding ge realign | 18:26 |
Kilos | het jy daai laaste lienk gaan kyk | 18:27 |
inetpro | ja maar dis grieks | 18:27 |
Kilos | die een vir bduk vroer | 18:27 |
Kilos | ai! | 18:27 |
Kilos | die gparted storie? | 18:27 |
inetpro | ja man, maar dit maak nie mooi sin nie | 18:29 |
inetpro | te veel windows stories daar | 18:29 |
Kilos | rofl | 18:29 |
Kilos | ek het die win goed vertby | 18:30 |
Kilos | verby | 18:30 |
Kilos | like eating a salad, if you dont like onion you push it one side | 18:30 |
Kilos | i gotta go find bloep for here | 18:33 |
Kilos | Maaz hi | 18:36 |
Maaz | Sup Kilos | 18:36 |
Kilos | woot im getting good at sorting bloep and konversation | 18:36 |
Kilos | wb captine | 18:46 |
captine | thnx | 18:46 |
captine | weird. when i plug my second monitor into my laptop, my HexChat cuts off the text that people are typing in the irc channels. | 18:47 |
captine | like my last sentence i sent ends on my screen with "typing in" and doesnt have irc channel | 18:47 |
captine | might go back to xchat if to see if this continues there | 18:47 |
magespawn | good evening | 18:56 |
theblazehen | hi magespawn | 18:57 |
magespawn | hi theblazehen whats up? | 18:57 |
theblazehen | not much, and there? | 18:58 |
magespawn | this and that, going to trying out elementary os | 18:58 |
theblazehen | nice | 19:00 |
theblazehen | UI nice, but system old | 19:00 |
theblazehen | based on 12.04 IIRC | 19:00 |
magespawn | not sure let me check | 19:02 |
Kilos | hi magespawn | 19:02 |
Kilos | ya based on 12.04 but not bad | 19:02 |
Kilos | thats if you like the mac way of doing things | 19:03 |
magespawn | hi Kilos | 19:03 |
Kilos | theblazehen back on ssd again | 19:04 |
theblazehen | Kilos: nice | 19:04 |
captine | just noticed our topic is a bit out of date.... ;) | 19:04 |
captine | i think | 19:04 |
magespawn | i am going to dual boot it so not a problem if i don't like it | 19:04 |
Kilos | its so lekker fast ill do about anything to keep it going | 19:04 |
magespawn | Kilos: and? | 19:04 |
Kilos | ive realigned it and not using first 40g magespawn | 19:05 |
Kilos | will see | 19:05 |
magespawn | hi captine yup inetpro has been busy i think | 19:05 |
captine | cool | 19:06 |
Kilos | eos is nice magespawn and fast only i couldnt open 2 home folders for drag dropping otherwise i might still be using it | 19:06 |
Kilos | inetpro ping | 19:06 |
Kilos | jou job is jou job | 19:06 |
captine | ubuntu mate looks very slick. booted it on a colleagues machine before installing stock ubuntu. very pretty looking | 19:06 |
Kilos | ya thats fast too | 19:07 |
Kilos | close to gnome2 | 19:07 |
captine | yip | 19:07 |
inetpro | hmm... | 19:08 |
inetpro | when is the next meeting? | 19:08 |
Kilos | 27th | 19:08 |
Kilos | but now ive learned that speed on slow machines can be upped by using ssd | 19:10 |
Kilos | oh that reminds me i gotta do munin still | 19:10 |
Kilos | evening superfly | 19:13 |
Kilos | inetpro 27th | 19:14 |
Kilos | sjoe ek sukkel partykeer | 19:14 |
inetpro | Kilos: ok | 19:14 |
Kilos | rofl | 19:14 |
bduk1 | Lekker slaap almal | 19:20 |
theblazehen | cya bduk1 | 19:20 |
superfly | hi Kilos | 19:31 |
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inetpro | Kilos: happy? | 19:55 |
Kilos | hmm... | 19:55 |
Kilos | ty very much inetpro | 19:55 |
Kilos | hehe | 19:55 |
Kilos | rather late than never | 19:55 |
* inetpro experimented a bit with the layout of Agenda again | 19:56 | |
inetpro | not quite happy with it but not gonna waste my time on it now | 19:57 |
Kilos | lol | 19:57 |
Kilos | \lazy | 19:57 |
Kilos | what are you doing | 19:57 |
Kilos | practise that thing | 19:57 |
Kilos | bazaar | 19:57 |
inetpro | no | 19:58 |
inetpro | not tonight | 19:58 |
Kilos | superfly i forgot to ask, has bzr now being used in place of nikola | 19:58 |
inetpro | Kilos: no | 19:58 |
Kilos | as i can i not install nikola | 19:59 |
Kilos | oh | 19:59 |
inetpro | nikola != bzr | 19:59 |
inetpro | you can never compare the two | 19:59 |
Kilos | man you 2 must understand what i mean | 20:00 |
Kilos | are we not going to use nikola anymore | 20:00 |
Kilos | for whatever it did | 20:00 |
inetpro | Nikola is a tool to create static websites and blogs | 20:00 |
inetpro | Bazaar (or bzr) is a distributed version control system | 20:00 |
Kilos | oh so we still need both ya | 20:01 |
Kilos | i remember now opening a local file in browser | 20:01 |
magespawn | Kilos != means does not equal, or there is no comparison | 20:02 |
magespawn | the programmer coming out | 20:02 |
inetpro | the reason for last night's lesson is so we can keep track of all changes made to the ubuntu-za website in a proper controlled manner | 20:02 |
Kilos | ya i see now they different things ty mage | 20:02 |
inetpro | and for the purpose of last night's exercise Nikola is unimportant | 20:03 |
magespawn | wow elementary os only has a single desktop even lubuntu has two | 20:03 |
Kilos | ya thats a pain but it has a nice minimising thing | 20:03 |
Kilos | you add your apps you use all the time to the panel at the bottom | 20:04 |
magespawn | yup like xubuntu at one stage | 20:04 |
Kilos | then click there to minimise and maximise them | 20:04 |
magespawn | and i sure you can change pretty much anything you want | 20:05 |
Kilos | i forget | 20:05 |
Kilos | was pretty with the lake as background | 20:06 |
Kilos | lake taho or something | 20:06 |
inetpro | Kilos: what is important is, if you understand the bzr development cycle the way superfly started to explain last night, you can effectively get involved in any other similar development process | 20:06 |
Kilos | sjoe | 20:07 |
Kilos | well are you practising | 20:07 |
inetpro | not now, no | 20:07 |
magespawn | and they all follow a similar process, no matter the vcs, correct? | 20:08 |
Kilos | last nights session was mainly for your benefit | 20:08 |
Kilos | vcs? | 20:08 |
magespawn | version control system | 20:08 |
Kilos | oi | 20:08 |
inetpro | nee man, once that email has been sent out it can be extremely useful for many peeps out there | 20:08 |
magespawn | raining nicely here now | 20:08 |
Kilos | and run things in virtual something on your pc | 20:09 |
Kilos | yes inetpro for those that understand | 20:09 |
magespawn | indeed especially those of us who are a little short on "official" education | 20:09 |
Kilos | eish kde likes system restarts | 20:11 |
inetpro | Kilos: don't come with stories now | 20:12 |
Kilos | lol | 20:12 |
magespawn | will need to do an apt-get update and add some extra software repo to get what i want, i think | 20:12 |
Kilos | it actually works lekker magespawn | 20:12 |
magespawn | seems to so far | 20:13 |
Kilos | and will synaptic you can install anything 12.04 had | 20:13 |
magespawn | cool beans | 20:14 |
magespawn | boots a little faster than the lubuntu install | 20:15 |
magespawn | inetpro and that is very cool, being able to contribute to open source projects | 20:17 |
inetpro | magespawn: with the availability of the Internet there are more autodidacts than ever | 20:18 |
inetpro | "official" education can very often be a waste of time for those who want to learn by themselves | 20:18 |
magespawn | ahh yes, but sometimes you need a piece of paper and/or the ability to prove you can do something | 20:20 |
inetpro | sometimes | 20:20 |
magespawn | unfortunately 'they' do not always ask you for proof | 20:20 |
Kilos | night all of ya. sleep tight | 20:22 |
magespawn | good night Kilos | 20:22 |
Kilos | will see if ssd boots in the morning | 20:22 |
magespawn | good night all | 20:22 |
captine | night all | 20:25 |
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