[04:20] <AndChat|99281> good morning everyone
[04:25] <bduk1> morning bushtech
[05:15] <tumbleweed> superfly: ubuntu-za.org moved to https
[05:19] <64MABMGCQ> More almal
[06:05] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:06] <nuvolari> Maaz: seen kilos
[06:06] <Maaz> nuvolari: kilos was last seen 8 hours, 50 minutes and 46 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-05 13:15:18 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-05 13:15:44 PST
[06:29] <bduk1> Looks like poor kilos is still strugling with that ssd
[06:31] <bushtech> might still be sleeping
[06:32] <bushtech> lets hope he's still sleeping
[07:30] <Squirm> morning all
[07:45] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[07:45]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:50] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[07:50] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[07:50] <Kilos> evening everyone
[07:54] <Vince-0> Haai
[07:55] <Kilos> hows things Vince-0  
[07:55]  * Kilos weak today
[07:55] <Vince-0> yar nee, larka
[07:56] <Kilos> hehe
[07:56] <Kilos> i wonder how many peeps will understand you
[07:56] <Vince-0> most of the country I guess
[07:57] <Kilos> oh ya 
[07:58] <bushtech> more Kilos sitrep ssd please
[07:59] <Kilos> at the moment its been formatted to ext2 and gparted is doing a check to see whats no lekker bushtech  
[08:00] <Kilos> its a used one the guy says so dunno how much life is left in it
[08:01] <Kilos> but im getting my 1TB drive sorted that i wipe everything out of /home/
[08:01] <bushtech> hope its good
[08:01] <Kilos> well the end should be, or at least the second half
[08:02] <Kilos> its again a learning curve. i dont know how they work so will need gparted to tell me whats not good
[08:03] <Squirm> hello
[08:03] <bushtech> well, you're the drive expert
[08:03] <Kilos> hdd only  so far
[08:04] <Kilos> ssd is just a box full of chips i think, so its to find the faulty one and try work out how to not use it\
[08:04] <Kilos> hows Squirm  
[08:05]  * Kilos waves to tumbleweed
[08:05] <Kilos> you still here?
[08:05] <Kilos> in za that is
[08:38] <Kilos> ha bushtech  apparently all ssd manufacturers supply tool boxes for their products
[08:38] <Kilos> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/support/downloads.html
[08:38] <Kilos> even got a linux version at the bottom
[08:41] <bushtech> great stuff
[08:42] <bushtech> ubuntu also has something called Disk Utility under advanced there you can check out all your attached drives
[08:43] <bushtech> very handy for raid server to get advanced warning that a drive is going south
[08:48] <Kilos> the disk utility tells me its all good
[08:48] <Kilos> grrr
[08:49] <bushtech> be happy
[08:49] <bushtech> so what is the problem?
[08:50] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:50] <theblazehen> bushtech: or just use smartctl
[08:50] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[08:52] <bushtech> thanks theblazehen , will have a look at it
[08:53]  * inetpro waiting for the Telkom technician to eventually come and pay me a visit
[08:53] <Kilos> eish inetpro  wassup?
[08:53] <inetpro> holding thumbs that he will be able to improve signal a bit
[08:53] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[08:53] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[08:53] <inetpro> this visit comes from my logging the call on 29 November
[08:53] <theblazehen> ouch
[08:54] <Kilos> sjoe for bad signal inetpro  ?
[08:54] <inetpro> doing ok since the purchase of the LTE router but only have two bars reception still
[08:54] <bduk> where are you inetpro ?
[08:54] <inetpro> bduk: Pretoria North
[08:55] <Kilos> i think they mess up with too few techs to do outside work
[08:55] <Kilos> if its the guy that came here he will help you
[08:55] <Kilos> even knows ubuntu
[08:56] <inetpro> at least I get a bit of LTE but it still drops to 3G from time to time
[08:56] <Kilos> but you should have tweeted them as well then they send someone quicker
[08:56] <inetpro> Kilos: I did
[08:56] <Kilos> wow
[08:56] <Kilos> cool
[08:57] <Kilos> i never get lte but my 3g rocks
[08:57] <inetpro> looks like most of them went on holiday early
[08:57] <Kilos> ya must be
[08:58] <bduk> Cant believe you can have a bad signal there thought it is only us on the rural areas that strugle
[08:58] <Kilos> it was actually interesting watching how they decide
[08:59] <Kilos> he brings his lappy and if its also bad then he feeds back to them or he goes himself to check the tower
[08:59] <Kilos> he is rural bduk  
[08:59] <Kilos> like me maplotter
[08:59]  * inetpro wbb
[08:59] <bduk> and me
[08:59] <Kilos> ya
[09:00] <Kilos> your a maplaaser
[09:00] <bduk> same difference
[09:00] <Kilos> they got a big farm there i think
[09:00] <bduk> you know how to make a mil bucks from farming?
[09:01] <Kilos> sell the farm
[09:01] <bduk> no you start with 10 mil
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:01] <Kilos> farming is hard work
[09:01] <Kilos> you get no rest
[09:02] <bduk> true
[09:02] <bduk> and dangerous
[09:02] <Kilos> yeah
[09:02] <Kilos> but best lifestyle
[09:03] <Kilos> you can make money but you work
[09:03] <Kilos> from 5am till 8pm every day
[09:03] <bduk> you must have equipment and that is a lot of money
[09:04] <Kilos> yip in todays world its even harder
[09:05] <bduk> Kilos:  can you recap for me on last night's lesson?
[09:06] <Kilos> oh my bushtech  it was very interesting but mostly above me
[09:06] <Kilos> the fly will mail all the how tos to the list i think he said
[09:08] <Kilos> im so happy on this kde
[09:08] <bduk> I agree think there is a lot of basics that the teacher didn't share with us, mebe you and me must go for some special classes
[09:08] <Kilos> gonna get it going on the ssd or die trying
[09:09] <Kilos> bduk  ya maybe we can ask him to help us with the basics on #linux-studies
[09:13] <Kilos> well not me anyway, my learning apparatus sucks
[09:13] <Kilos> im ok at copy/pasting
[09:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:22] <inetpro> guy tested and noted weak signal, let's hope he can get something done about it
[09:33] <Kilos> ya lets hope inetpro  
[09:34] <Kilos> after he was here within a weak mine rocked
[09:34] <Kilos> week
[09:37] <theblazehen> My hard drives were at 90 something celcius yesterday night..
[09:39] <bushtech> disks in my server running at 42C
[09:39] <bushtech> 90 seems helluva hot
[09:40] <bushtech> sell your kettle, boil water on drives:)
[09:46] <theblazehen> haha, yeah.. :D
[09:50] <bushtech> but seriously , 25 to 40 is ideal temp
[09:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:51] <Kilos> overwork
[09:51] <bushtech> 41 to 50 acceptable
[09:54] <bushtech> theblazehen,  are your drives next to each other, can you move 1 so you have a open bay between them?
[10:05] <Kilos> inetpro  you got 2 mins?
[10:06] <Kilos> i need to make konsole text larger please
[10:07] <Kilos> all my other text is ok now using the settings, only konsole is tiny
[10:08] <Kilos> oh i just needed to open a new konsole
[10:08] <Kilos> ai!
[10:10] <Kilos> ooo lekker
[10:40] <Kilos> Maaz  seen gremble
[10:40] <Maaz> Kilos: gremble was last seen 8 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-12-28 13:26:21 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-02 15:39:09 PST
[11:52] <theblazehen> bushtech: yep, and no...
[11:55] <bushtech> then you'll have to make another plan
[12:07] <theblazehen> yeah
[12:13] <bushtech> fans clean & all working?
[12:14] <theblazehen> cpu and psu fan is all I got..
[12:15] <bushtech> huh
[12:15] <theblazehen> lol
[12:16] <bushtech> what you using for a pc box? A staal trommel?
[12:16] <theblazehen> lol. I was doing a FS conversion last night. Lots of IO..
[12:16] <theblazehen> 53 now
[12:19] <bushtech> fair enough, but only psu and cpu fans?
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:22] <bushtech> just checked my boxes and all got at least one chassis fan
[12:23] <bushtech> newest one also has a 175mm fan on side of box
[12:28] <theblazehen> heh
[12:28] <theblazehen> All boxes still have space for floppy disk or zip drive
[12:30] <bushtech> put one hd in floppy space
[12:42] <Kilos> bushtech  gparted really taking long with that drive
[12:42] <Kilos> it did a 1TB hdd faster
[12:44] <theblazehen> bushtech: one is... only space free is CD drive space
[12:52] <bushtech> kilos, wonder if that drive is ok?
[12:52] <Kilos> i dunno
[12:53] <Kilos> maybe gparted check isnt made for ssd's
[12:56] <bushtech> Kilos,  google : speed up your SSD by correctly aligning your partitions
[13:00] <bushtech> & find the lifehacker hit
[13:01] <bushtech> interesting bit in ther about how gparted allocates space
[13:07] <inetpro> Kilos: just press Ctrl++ and Ctrl+-
[13:08] <Kilos> i have it fixed ty inetpro  
[13:08] <Kilos> made them pixels things more
[13:08] <inetpro> ai!
[13:09] <Kilos> lol
[13:10] <Kilos> n boer maak n plan
[13:10] <inetpro> can't you see 'Enlarge Font' and 'Shrink Font' in the View menu?
[13:11] <Kilos> aw i havent looked for a view menu
[13:12] <Kilos> so where is this view menu
[13:12] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:12] <Kilos> goodness grascious dammit me
[13:13] <Kilos> why isnt that info all over in the google pages
[13:16] <inetpro> because it is so obvious, nobody needs to blog this kind of info
[13:16] <Kilos> ai!
[13:16] <Kilos> swines
[13:17] <inetpro> you getting spoiled by the interwebs Kilos?
[13:17] <Kilos> lol ya
[14:14] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock  
[14:14] <Kilos> wbb reboot time
[14:14] <Joe_knock> Hey oom
[14:45] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[15:38] <Kilos> hmm... storm hit tower, emergencies only now
[15:56] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[15:56]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:56] <Kilos> before the power goes
[15:56] <Kilos> Maaz  hurry
[15:56] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[16:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:00] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[16:00] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[16:17] <bduk1> Maak jy kilos
[16:18] <Kilos> werk op die ssd en speel freecell
[16:19] <bduk1> Werk die ssd nou
[16:19] <Kilos> ek is nog besig om dit te re align
[16:20] <bduk1> Klink maar fishy
[16:20] <Kilos> http://lifehacker.com/5837769/make-sure-your-partitions-are-correctly-aligned-for-optimal-solid-state-drive-performance
[16:22] <bduk1> Ok sal later lees
[16:29] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos
[16:31] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed  
[16:31] <Kilos> are you back in the states yet?
[16:34] <Kilos> wbb gonna try ssd again
[17:24] <captine> evening all
[17:27] <theblazehen> hi captine
[17:29] <inetpro> good evening captine and theblazehen
[17:29] <inetpro> oh and hi yo everyone else
[17:30] <inetpro> to*
[17:31] <captine> quick question to those who may be in IT or in the know.  I have a mac mini server (2012 i7 2x1TB 5400rpm drives in raid 0 )..  am thinking of loading proxmox on it and running as a hypervisor.. just not sure if I should rather use ubuntu desktop and use kvm for vms?
[17:32] <captine> what would you do.. it currently has apple os x on, with a number of virtualbox vms
[17:32] <captine> virtualbox vms
[17:32] <captine> weird.  my screen is not showing all text.  strange
[17:39] <inetpro> captine: what type of systems are you running in the VM space, server or desktops?
[17:39] <captine> server mainly
[17:39] <captine> for messing with
[17:40] <inetpro> can't say that I know the environment well enough yet but for now I prefer KVM for servers 
[17:41] <inetpro> Virtualbox is nice for testing desktops
[17:41] <captine> proxmox uses kvm, but it has a web frontend.  i am not sure how to manage the vms on a straight ubuntu server
[17:41] <captine> if ubuntu is the bare metal os
[17:41]  * inetpro prefers CLI as far as possible
[17:41] <captine> :)
[17:42] <captine> i am an accountant.. i take the picture approach, although dont have a desktop on my server installs
[17:42] <theblazehen> hey inetpro
[17:42] <theblazehen> Proxmox was nice.. 
[17:42] <theblazehen> Feature wise, only extra thing proxmox has is OpenVZ support
[17:42] <inetpro> I find virsh to be quite powerful and flexible 
[17:42] <theblazehen> I'm liking virt-manager at the moment
[17:43] <inetpro> virt-manager is nice to start with
[17:43] <inetpro> very simple and straight forward
[17:43] <theblazehen> inetpro: besides that, what do you use when you need a GUI? Straight vnc?
[17:44] <inetpro> theblazehen: I have not done enough testing with KVM based desktops, all I know is that plain VNC is not perfect
[17:44] <theblazehen> inetpro: alright. Tried SPICE?
[17:45] <inetpro> Virtualbox is much better in that space, for now
[17:45] <theblazehen> Last time I tried, my laptop wasn't fast enough...
[17:45] <theblazehen> yeah
[17:45] <theblazehen> AFAIK virt-manager uses VNC right?
[17:45] <inetpro> I've tried spice as well
[17:45] <inetpro> theblazehen: or spice IIRC
[17:45] <theblazehen> ah, yeah.. But default is vnc
[17:45] <inetpro> yes
[17:46] <captine> convirt looks nice for a web management tool.... apparently it is available for ubuntu server....
[17:46] <inetpro> the moment you want to go serious, you probably want to get RHEV
[17:47] <theblazehen> captine: wow, looks good.. I guess my brother probably doesn't need his pc anymore
[17:47] <theblazehen> inetpro: afaik oVirt is to RHEV what fedora is to RHEL
[17:47] <theblazehen> might be worth a look
[17:48] <inetpro> cool
[17:48] <theblazehen> web gui looks good, but won't install to a 4 GB usb..
[17:52] <theblazehen> wb georgl
[17:58] <inetpro> theblazehen: nice, we can even  build our own oVirt on debian/ubuntu?
[17:59] <theblazehen> I had some trouble on ubuntu, but should work well on centos
[17:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:06] <captine> i think i will install ubuntu desktop (so i can use the machine for browwsing etc) then install the server tools in the background
[18:06] <captine> and run some VM's
[18:21] <miles> hmm...
[18:23] <inetpro> hello miles
[18:23] <inetpro> wb 
[18:23] <inetpro> wat is fout?
[18:24] <Kilos> ek is weer op die ssd
[18:24] <inetpro> uh
[18:24] <inetpro> met kde?
[18:25] <Kilos> eerst 40g uitgelos
[18:25] <Kilos> ya met kde
[18:25] <inetpro> mooi!
[18:26] <Kilos> maar daar was baie van my archives wat nie reg oorgebring is van die 1TB
[18:26] <inetpro> het jy neergeskryf wat jy alles gedoen het?
[18:26] <Kilos> lol nee maar dit was als gparted
[18:26] <inetpro> ai!
[18:26] <Kilos> het ook die ding ge realign
[18:27] <Kilos> het jy daai laaste lienk gaan kyk
[18:27] <inetpro> ja maar dis grieks
[18:27] <Kilos> die een vir bduk vroer
[18:27] <Kilos> ai!
[18:27] <Kilos> die gparted storie?
[18:29] <inetpro> ja man, maar dit maak nie mooi sin nie
[18:29] <inetpro> te veel windows stories daar
[18:29] <Kilos> rofl
[18:30] <Kilos> ek het die win goed vertby
[18:30] <Kilos> verby
[18:30] <Kilos> like eating a salad, if you dont like onion you push it one side
[18:33] <Kilos> i gotta go find bloep for here
[18:36] <Kilos> Maaz  hi
[18:36] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[18:36] <Kilos> woot im getting good at sorting bloep and konversation
[18:46] <Kilos> wb captine  
[18:46] <captine> thnx
[18:47] <captine> weird.  when i plug my second monitor into my laptop, my HexChat cuts off the text that people are typing in the irc channels.
[18:47] <captine> like my last sentence i sent ends on my screen with "typing in" and doesnt have irc channel
[18:47] <captine> might go back to xchat if to see if this continues there
[18:56] <magespawn> good evening
[18:57] <theblazehen> hi magespawn
[18:57] <magespawn> hi theblazehen whats up?
[18:58] <theblazehen> not much, and there?
[18:58] <magespawn> this and that, going to trying out elementary os
[19:00] <theblazehen> nice
[19:00] <theblazehen> UI nice, but system old
[19:00] <theblazehen> based on 12.04 IIRC
[19:02] <magespawn> not sure let me check
[19:02] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[19:02] <Kilos> ya based on 12.04 but not bad
[19:03] <Kilos> thats if you like the mac way of doing things
[19:03] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[19:04] <Kilos> theblazehen  back on ssd again
[19:04] <theblazehen> Kilos: nice
[19:04] <captine> just noticed our topic is a bit out of date.... ;)
[19:04] <captine> i think
[19:04] <magespawn> i am going to dual boot it so not a problem if i don't like it
[19:04] <Kilos> its so lekker fast ill do about anything to keep it going
[19:04] <magespawn> Kilos: and?
[19:05] <Kilos> ive realigned it and not using first 40g magespawn  
[19:05] <Kilos> will see
[19:05] <magespawn> hi captine yup inetpro has been busy i think
[19:06] <captine> cool
[19:06] <Kilos> eos is nice magespawn  and fast only i couldnt open 2 home folders for drag dropping otherwise i might still be using it
[19:06] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[19:06] <Kilos> jou job is jou job
[19:06] <captine> ubuntu mate looks very slick.  booted it on a colleagues machine before installing stock ubuntu.  very pretty looking
[19:07] <Kilos> ya thats fast too
[19:07] <Kilos> close to gnome2
[19:07] <captine> yip
[19:08] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:08] <inetpro> when is the next meeting?
[19:08] <Kilos> 27th
[19:10] <Kilos> but now ive learned that speed on slow machines can be upped by using ssd
[19:10] <Kilos> oh that reminds me i gotta do munin still
[19:13] <Kilos> evening superfly  
[19:14] <Kilos> inetpro  27th
[19:14] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel partykeer
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: ok
[19:14] <Kilos> rofl
[19:20] <bduk1> Lekker slaap almal
[19:20] <theblazehen> cya bduk1
[19:31] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:55] <inetpro> Kilos: happy?
[19:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:55] <Kilos> ty very much inetpro  
[19:55] <Kilos> hehe
[19:55] <Kilos> rather late than never
[19:56]  * inetpro experimented a bit with the layout of Agenda again
[19:57] <inetpro> not quite happy with it but not gonna waste my time on it now
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <Kilos> \lazy
[19:57] <Kilos> what are you doing
[19:57] <Kilos> practise that thing
[19:57] <Kilos> bazaar
[19:58] <inetpro> no
[19:58] <inetpro> not tonight
[19:58] <Kilos> superfly  i forgot to ask, has bzr now being used in place of nikola
[19:58] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[19:59] <Kilos> as i can i not install nikola
[19:59] <Kilos> oh
[19:59] <inetpro> nikola != bzr
[19:59] <inetpro> you can never compare the two
[20:00] <Kilos> man you 2 must understand what i mean
[20:00] <Kilos> are we not going to use nikola anymore
[20:00] <Kilos> for whatever it did
[20:00] <inetpro> Nikola  is  a  tool  to  create  static websites and blogs
[20:00] <inetpro> Bazaar (or bzr) is a distributed version control system
[20:01] <Kilos> oh so we still need both ya
[20:01] <Kilos> i remember now opening a local file in browser
[20:02] <magespawn> Kilos != means does not equal, or there is no comparison
[20:02] <magespawn> the programmer coming out
[20:02] <inetpro> the reason for last night's lesson is so we can keep track of all changes made to the ubuntu-za website in a proper controlled manner
[20:02] <Kilos> ya i see now they different things ty mage
[20:03] <inetpro> and for the purpose of last night's exercise Nikola is unimportant
[20:03] <magespawn> wow elementary os only has a single desktop even lubuntu has two
[20:03] <Kilos> ya thats a pain but it has a nice minimising thing
[20:04] <Kilos> you add your apps you use all the time to the panel at the bottom
[20:04] <magespawn> yup like xubuntu at one stage
[20:04] <Kilos> then click there to minimise and maximise them
[20:05] <magespawn> and i sure you can change pretty much anything you want
[20:05] <Kilos> i forget
[20:06] <Kilos> was pretty with the lake as background
[20:06] <Kilos> lake taho or something
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos: what is important is, if you understand the bzr development cycle the way superfly started to explain last night, you can effectively get involved in any other similar development process
[20:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:07] <Kilos> well are you practising
[20:07] <inetpro> not now, no
[20:08] <magespawn> and they all follow a similar process, no matter the vcs, correct?
[20:08] <Kilos> last nights session was mainly for your benefit
[20:08] <Kilos> vcs?
[20:08] <magespawn> version control system
[20:08] <Kilos> oi
[20:08] <inetpro> nee man, once that email has been sent out it can be extremely useful for many peeps out there
[20:08] <magespawn> raining nicely here now
[20:09] <Kilos> and run things in virtual something on your pc
[20:09] <Kilos> yes inetpro  for those that understand
[20:09] <magespawn> indeed especially those of us who are a little short on "official" education
[20:11] <Kilos> eish kde likes system restarts
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: don't come with stories now
[20:12] <Kilos> lol
[20:12] <magespawn> will need to do an apt-get update and add some extra software repo to get what i want, i think
[20:12] <Kilos> it actually works lekker magespawn  
[20:13] <magespawn> seems to so far
[20:13] <Kilos> and will synaptic you can install anything 12.04 had
[20:14] <magespawn> cool beans
[20:15] <magespawn> boots a little faster than the lubuntu install
[20:17] <magespawn> inetpro and that is very cool, being able to contribute to open source projects
[20:18] <inetpro> magespawn: with the availability of the Internet there are more autodidacts than ever
[20:18] <inetpro> "official" education can very often be a waste of time for those who want to learn by themselves
[20:20] <magespawn> ahh yes, but sometimes you need a piece of paper and/or the ability to prove you can do something
[20:20] <inetpro> sometimes
[20:20] <magespawn> unfortunately 'they' do not always ask you for proof
[20:22] <Kilos> night all of ya. sleep tight
[20:22] <magespawn> good night Kilos 
[20:22] <Kilos> will see if ssd boots in the morning
[20:22] <magespawn> good night all
[20:25] <captine> night all