[04:20] good morning everyone === AndChat|99281 is now known as bduk1 [04:25] morning bushtech [05:15] superfly: ubuntu-za.org moved to https [05:19] <64MABMGCQ> More almal === 64MABMGCQ is now known as bduk1 [06:05] o/ oh hi [06:06] Maaz: seen kilos [06:06] nuvolari: kilos was last seen 8 hours, 50 minutes and 46 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-05 13:15:18 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-05 13:15:44 PST [06:29] Looks like poor kilos is still strugling with that ssd [06:31] might still be sleeping [06:32] lets hope he's still sleeping [07:30] morning all === vincent is now known as Guest60141 === Guest60141 is now known as Vince-0 [07:45] Maaz: coffee on [07:45] * Maaz puts the kettle on [07:49] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [07:50] Maaz danke [07:50] Bitteschön [07:50] evening everyone [07:54] Haai [07:55] hows things Vince-0 [07:55] * Kilos weak today [07:55] yar nee, larka [07:56] hehe [07:56] i wonder how many peeps will understand you [07:56] most of the country I guess [07:57] oh ya [07:58] more Kilos sitrep ssd please [07:59] at the moment its been formatted to ext2 and gparted is doing a check to see whats no lekker bushtech [08:00] its a used one the guy says so dunno how much life is left in it [08:01] but im getting my 1TB drive sorted that i wipe everything out of /home/ [08:01] hope its good [08:01] well the end should be, or at least the second half [08:02] its again a learning curve. i dont know how they work so will need gparted to tell me whats not good [08:03] hello [08:03] well, you're the drive expert [08:03] hdd only so far [08:04] ssd is just a box full of chips i think, so its to find the faulty one and try work out how to not use it\ [08:04] hows Squirm [08:05] * Kilos waves to tumbleweed [08:05] you still here? [08:05] in za that is [08:38] ha bushtech apparently all ssd manufacturers supply tool boxes for their products [08:38] http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/support/downloads.html [08:38] even got a linux version at the bottom [08:41] great stuff [08:42] ubuntu also has something called Disk Utility under advanced there you can check out all your attached drives [08:43] very handy for raid server to get advanced warning that a drive is going south [08:48] the disk utility tells me its all good [08:48] grrr [08:49] be happy [08:49] so what is the problem? [08:50] good mornings [08:50] bushtech: or just use smartctl [08:50] hi inetpro [08:52] thanks theblazehen , will have a look at it [08:53] * inetpro waiting for the Telkom technician to eventually come and pay me a visit [08:53] eish inetpro wassup? [08:53] holding thumbs that he will be able to improve signal a bit [08:53] hi theblazehen [08:53] hi Kilos [08:53] this visit comes from my logging the call on 29 November [08:53] ouch [08:54] sjoe for bad signal inetpro ? [08:54] doing ok since the purchase of the LTE router but only have two bars reception still [08:54] where are you inetpro ? [08:54] bduk: Pretoria North [08:55] i think they mess up with too few techs to do outside work [08:55] if its the guy that came here he will help you [08:55] even knows ubuntu [08:56] at least I get a bit of LTE but it still drops to 3G from time to time [08:56] but you should have tweeted them as well then they send someone quicker [08:56] Kilos: I did [08:56] wow [08:56] cool [08:57] i never get lte but my 3g rocks [08:57] looks like most of them went on holiday early [08:57] ya must be [08:58] Cant believe you can have a bad signal there thought it is only us on the rural areas that strugle [08:58] it was actually interesting watching how they decide [08:59] he brings his lappy and if its also bad then he feeds back to them or he goes himself to check the tower [08:59] he is rural bduk [08:59] like me maplotter [08:59] * inetpro wbb [08:59] and me [08:59] ya [09:00] your a maplaaser [09:00] same difference [09:00] they got a big farm there i think [09:00] you know how to make a mil bucks from farming? [09:01] sell the farm [09:01] no you start with 10 mil [09:01] lol [09:01] farming is hard work [09:01] you get no rest [09:02] true [09:02] and dangerous [09:02] yeah [09:02] but best lifestyle [09:03] you can make money but you work [09:03] from 5am till 8pm every day [09:03] you must have equipment and that is a lot of money [09:04] yip in todays world its even harder [09:05] Kilos: can you recap for me on last night's lesson? [09:06] oh my bushtech it was very interesting but mostly above me [09:06] the fly will mail all the how tos to the list i think he said [09:08] im so happy on this kde [09:08] I agree think there is a lot of basics that the teacher didn't share with us, mebe you and me must go for some special classes [09:08] gonna get it going on the ssd or die trying [09:09] bduk ya maybe we can ask him to help us with the basics on #linux-studies [09:13] well not me anyway, my learning apparatus sucks [09:13] im ok at copy/pasting [09:21] hmm... [09:22] guy tested and noted weak signal, let's hope he can get something done about it [09:33] ya lets hope inetpro [09:34] after he was here within a weak mine rocked [09:34] week [09:37] My hard drives were at 90 something celcius yesterday night.. [09:39] disks in my server running at 42C [09:39] 90 seems helluva hot [09:40] sell your kettle, boil water on drives:) [09:46] haha, yeah.. :D [09:50] but seriously , 25 to 40 is ideal temp [09:50] sjoe [09:51] overwork [09:51] 41 to 50 acceptable [09:54] theblazehen, are your drives next to each other, can you move 1 so you have a open bay between them? [10:05] inetpro you got 2 mins? [10:06] i need to make konsole text larger please [10:07] all my other text is ok now using the settings, only konsole is tiny [10:08] oh i just needed to open a new konsole [10:08] ai! [10:10] ooo lekker [10:40] Maaz seen gremble [10:40] Kilos: gremble was last seen 8 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-12-28 13:26:21 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-02 15:39:09 PST [11:52] bushtech: yep, and no... [11:55] then you'll have to make another plan [12:07] yeah [12:13] fans clean & all working? [12:14] cpu and psu fan is all I got.. [12:15] huh [12:15] lol [12:16] what you using for a pc box? A staal trommel? [12:16] lol. I was doing a FS conversion last night. Lots of IO.. [12:16] 53 now [12:19] fair enough, but only psu and cpu fans? [12:19] lol [12:22] just checked my boxes and all got at least one chassis fan [12:23] newest one also has a 175mm fan on side of box [12:28] heh [12:28] All boxes still have space for floppy disk or zip drive [12:30] put one hd in floppy space [12:42] bushtech gparted really taking long with that drive [12:42] it did a 1TB hdd faster [12:44] bushtech: one is... only space free is CD drive space [12:52] kilos, wonder if that drive is ok? [12:52] i dunno [12:53] maybe gparted check isnt made for ssd's [12:56] Kilos, google : speed up your SSD by correctly aligning your partitions [13:00] & find the lifehacker hit [13:01] interesting bit in ther about how gparted allocates space [13:07] Kilos: just press Ctrl++ and Ctrl+- [13:08] i have it fixed ty inetpro [13:08] made them pixels things more [13:08] ai! [13:09] lol [13:10] n boer maak n plan [13:10] can't you see 'Enlarge Font' and 'Shrink Font' in the View menu? [13:11] aw i havent looked for a view menu [13:12] so where is this view menu [13:12] oh ya [13:12] goodness grascious dammit me [13:13] why isnt that info all over in the google pages [13:16] because it is so obvious, nobody needs to blog this kind of info [13:16] ai! [13:16] swines [13:17] you getting spoiled by the interwebs Kilos? [13:17] lol ya [14:14] hi Joe_knock [14:14] wbb reboot time [14:14] Hey oom [14:45] wb Kilos [15:38] hmm... storm hit tower, emergencies only now [15:56] Maaz coffee on [15:56] * Maaz washes some mugs [15:56] before the power goes [15:56] Maaz hurry [15:56] Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed [16:00] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [16:00] Maaz ty [16:00] You are welcome Kilos [16:17] Maak jy kilos [16:18] werk op die ssd en speel freecell [16:19] Werk die ssd nou [16:19] ek is nog besig om dit te re align [16:20] Klink maar fishy [16:20] http://lifehacker.com/5837769/make-sure-your-partitions-are-correctly-aligned-for-optimal-solid-state-drive-performance [16:22] Ok sal later lees [16:29] hi Kilos [16:31] hi tumbleweed [16:31] are you back in the states yet? [16:34] wbb gonna try ssd again [17:24] evening all [17:27] hi captine [17:29] good evening captine and theblazehen [17:29] oh and hi yo everyone else [17:30] to* [17:31] quick question to those who may be in IT or in the know. I have a mac mini server (2012 i7 2x1TB 5400rpm drives in raid 0 ).. am thinking of loading proxmox on it and running as a hypervisor.. just not sure if I should rather use ubuntu desktop and use kvm for vms? [17:32] what would you do.. it currently has apple os x on, with a number of virtualbox vms [17:32] virtualbox vms [17:32] weird. my screen is not showing all text. strange [17:39] captine: what type of systems are you running in the VM space, server or desktops? [17:39] server mainly [17:39] for messing with [17:40] can't say that I know the environment well enough yet but for now I prefer KVM for servers [17:41] Virtualbox is nice for testing desktops [17:41] proxmox uses kvm, but it has a web frontend. i am not sure how to manage the vms on a straight ubuntu server [17:41] if ubuntu is the bare metal os [17:41] * inetpro prefers CLI as far as possible [17:41] :) [17:42] i am an accountant.. i take the picture approach, although dont have a desktop on my server installs [17:42] hey inetpro [17:42] Proxmox was nice.. [17:42] Feature wise, only extra thing proxmox has is OpenVZ support [17:42] I find virsh to be quite powerful and flexible [17:42] I'm liking virt-manager at the moment [17:43] virt-manager is nice to start with [17:43] very simple and straight forward [17:43] inetpro: besides that, what do you use when you need a GUI? Straight vnc? [17:44] theblazehen: I have not done enough testing with KVM based desktops, all I know is that plain VNC is not perfect [17:44] inetpro: alright. Tried SPICE? [17:45] Virtualbox is much better in that space, for now [17:45] Last time I tried, my laptop wasn't fast enough... [17:45] yeah [17:45] AFAIK virt-manager uses VNC right? [17:45] I've tried spice as well [17:45] theblazehen: or spice IIRC [17:45] ah, yeah.. But default is vnc [17:45] yes [17:46] convirt looks nice for a web management tool.... apparently it is available for ubuntu server.... [17:46] the moment you want to go serious, you probably want to get RHEV [17:47] captine: wow, looks good.. I guess my brother probably doesn't need his pc anymore [17:47] inetpro: afaik oVirt is to RHEV what fedora is to RHEL [17:47] might be worth a look [17:48] cool [17:48] web gui looks good, but won't install to a 4 GB usb.. [17:52] wb georgl [17:58] theblazehen: nice, we can even build our own oVirt on debian/ubuntu? [17:59] I had some trouble on ubuntu, but should work well on centos [17:59] hmm... [18:06] i think i will install ubuntu desktop (so i can use the machine for browwsing etc) then install the server tools in the background [18:06] and run some VM's [18:21] hmm... === miles is now known as Kilos [18:23] hello miles [18:23] wb [18:23] wat is fout? [18:24] ek is weer op die ssd [18:24] uh [18:24] met kde? [18:25] eerst 40g uitgelos [18:25] ya met kde [18:25] mooi! [18:26] maar daar was baie van my archives wat nie reg oorgebring is van die 1TB [18:26] het jy neergeskryf wat jy alles gedoen het? [18:26] lol nee maar dit was als gparted [18:26] ai! [18:26] het ook die ding ge realign [18:27] het jy daai laaste lienk gaan kyk [18:27] ja maar dis grieks [18:27] die een vir bduk vroer [18:27] ai! [18:27] die gparted storie? [18:29] ja man, maar dit maak nie mooi sin nie [18:29] te veel windows stories daar [18:29] rofl [18:30] ek het die win goed vertby [18:30] verby [18:30] like eating a salad, if you dont like onion you push it one side [18:33] i gotta go find bloep for here [18:36] Maaz hi [18:36] Sup Kilos [18:36] woot im getting good at sorting bloep and konversation [18:46] wb captine [18:46] thnx [18:47] weird. when i plug my second monitor into my laptop, my HexChat cuts off the text that people are typing in the irc channels. [18:47] like my last sentence i sent ends on my screen with "typing in" and doesnt have irc channel [18:47] might go back to xchat if to see if this continues there [18:56] good evening [18:57] hi magespawn [18:57] hi theblazehen whats up? [18:58] not much, and there? [18:58] this and that, going to trying out elementary os [19:00] nice [19:00] UI nice, but system old [19:00] based on 12.04 IIRC [19:02] not sure let me check [19:02] hi magespawn [19:02] ya based on 12.04 but not bad [19:03] thats if you like the mac way of doing things [19:03] hi Kilos [19:04] theblazehen back on ssd again [19:04] Kilos: nice [19:04] just noticed our topic is a bit out of date.... ;) [19:04] i think [19:04] i am going to dual boot it so not a problem if i don't like it [19:04] its so lekker fast ill do about anything to keep it going [19:04] Kilos: and? [19:05] ive realigned it and not using first 40g magespawn [19:05] will see [19:05] hi captine yup inetpro has been busy i think [19:06] cool [19:06] eos is nice magespawn and fast only i couldnt open 2 home folders for drag dropping otherwise i might still be using it [19:06] inetpro ping [19:06] jou job is jou job [19:06] ubuntu mate looks very slick. booted it on a colleagues machine before installing stock ubuntu. very pretty looking [19:07] ya thats fast too [19:07] close to gnome2 [19:07] yip [19:08] hmm... [19:08] when is the next meeting? [19:08] 27th [19:10] but now ive learned that speed on slow machines can be upped by using ssd [19:10] oh that reminds me i gotta do munin still [19:13] evening superfly [19:14] inetpro 27th [19:14] sjoe ek sukkel partykeer [19:14] Kilos: ok [19:14] rofl [19:20] Lekker slaap almal [19:20] cya bduk1 [19:31] hi Kilos === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-za to: Ubuntu South Africa http://ubuntu-za.org || MList: http://bit.ly/MCOujZ || PBin: http://slexy.org/ || Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com || Twitter: https://twitter.com/ubuntuza || Next Meeting: Tue, 27 January 20:30, Agenda: http://bit.ly/1Andj1u [19:55] Kilos: happy? [19:55] hmm... [19:55] ty very much inetpro [19:55] hehe [19:55] rather late than never [19:56] * inetpro experimented a bit with the layout of Agenda again [19:57] not quite happy with it but not gonna waste my time on it now [19:57] lol [19:57] \lazy [19:57] what are you doing [19:57] practise that thing [19:57] bazaar [19:58] no [19:58] not tonight [19:58] superfly i forgot to ask, has bzr now being used in place of nikola [19:58] Kilos: no [19:59] as i can i not install nikola [19:59] oh [19:59] nikola != bzr [19:59] you can never compare the two [20:00] man you 2 must understand what i mean [20:00] are we not going to use nikola anymore [20:00] for whatever it did [20:00] Nikola is a tool to create static websites and blogs [20:00] Bazaar (or bzr) is a distributed version control system [20:01] oh so we still need both ya [20:01] i remember now opening a local file in browser [20:02] Kilos != means does not equal, or there is no comparison [20:02] the programmer coming out [20:02] the reason for last night's lesson is so we can keep track of all changes made to the ubuntu-za website in a proper controlled manner [20:02] ya i see now they different things ty mage [20:03] and for the purpose of last night's exercise Nikola is unimportant [20:03] wow elementary os only has a single desktop even lubuntu has two [20:03] ya thats a pain but it has a nice minimising thing [20:04] you add your apps you use all the time to the panel at the bottom [20:04] yup like xubuntu at one stage [20:04] then click there to minimise and maximise them [20:05] and i sure you can change pretty much anything you want [20:05] i forget [20:06] was pretty with the lake as background [20:06] lake taho or something [20:06] Kilos: what is important is, if you understand the bzr development cycle the way superfly started to explain last night, you can effectively get involved in any other similar development process [20:07] sjoe [20:07] well are you practising [20:07] not now, no [20:08] and they all follow a similar process, no matter the vcs, correct? [20:08] last nights session was mainly for your benefit [20:08] vcs? [20:08] version control system [20:08] oi [20:08] nee man, once that email has been sent out it can be extremely useful for many peeps out there [20:08] raining nicely here now [20:09] and run things in virtual something on your pc [20:09] yes inetpro for those that understand [20:09] indeed especially those of us who are a little short on "official" education [20:11] eish kde likes system restarts [20:12] Kilos: don't come with stories now [20:12] lol [20:12] will need to do an apt-get update and add some extra software repo to get what i want, i think [20:12] it actually works lekker magespawn [20:13] seems to so far [20:13] and will synaptic you can install anything 12.04 had [20:14] cool beans [20:15] boots a little faster than the lubuntu install [20:17] inetpro and that is very cool, being able to contribute to open source projects [20:18] magespawn: with the availability of the Internet there are more autodidacts than ever [20:18] "official" education can very often be a waste of time for those who want to learn by themselves [20:20] ahh yes, but sometimes you need a piece of paper and/or the ability to prove you can do something [20:20] sometimes [20:20] unfortunately 'they' do not always ask you for proof [20:22] night all of ya. sleep tight [20:22] good night Kilos [20:22] will see if ssd boots in the morning [20:22] good night all [20:25] night all