[01:37] <jjfrv8> brainwash, 3.17 seems to have fixed the problem. Latest 3.19 works too :)
[02:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: You there yet? :(
[02:05] <Unit193> Heh, never tried mainline, my "alternate" kernel of choice was liquorix (http://liquorix.net/)
[02:28] <Noskcaj> Probably doesn't affect anything for us, but the gnome 3.14 desktop stack got uploaded overnight
[02:30] <Unit193> Yeah, saw some of that, hope it doesn't as well. :/
[08:52] <Unit193> Oh goodness me...
[08:53] <Unit193> elfy: file-roller a little derpy for you?
[09:48] <slickymasterWork> knome or pleia2, can either of you please disclose in the team media channels -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-January/010516.html
[11:45] <knome> slickymasterWork, tweeted
[11:47] <slickymasterWork> thanks knome 
[11:47] <slickymasterWork> it's up to pleia2 to post it on g+ now
[11:48] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/WebPresence
[11:48] <knome> or ochosi
[11:50] <slickymasterWork> hey, didn't knew that one knome 
[11:51] <knome> now you do :)
[11:51] <Unit193> Hard to remember/find all the secret pages sometimes, we need a secret wikipage listing all the secret wikipages, including itself of course. :P
[11:52] <knome> heh
[11:52] <knome> that's not secret
[11:52] <knome> it's openable with two clicks from any xubuntu wiki page
[12:35] <elfy> Unit193: derpy?
[12:36] <Unit193> CSD, title bar half there, weird buttons, etc.
[12:36] <knome> derp-y
[12:36] <knome> :P
[12:36] <elfy> and csd is?
[12:36] <elfy> you might remember that less than24 hours ago it meant nothing to me ;)
[12:36] <knome> communist system dialog
[12:37] <elfy> not like that then no
[12:37] <knome> :P
[12:38] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/YQRMPIc.png
[12:38] <elfy> looks like that here 
[12:38] <ochosi> yup, i think i already mentioned that file-roller is only checking for unity
[12:38] <ochosi> at least that
[12:38] <ochosi> 's what i remember
[12:38] <Unit193> Ah, only half derpy, mine is worse.
[12:39] <ochosi> the combination of menubar and CSD is really weird though
[12:39] <ochosi> elfy: could you submit a bugreport "file-roller in xubuntu has CSD"?
[12:39] <Unit193> elfy: http://i.imgur.com/ReTp3ga.png
[12:39] <ochosi> then add it to the bugs-bp and then i can go bug people in u-devel
[12:40] <ochosi> Unit193: sucky CSD support in your theme
[12:40] <elfy> if I remember - lunch time - which is running out
[12:40] <elfy> and where - LP ?
[12:40] <Unit193> Bleh... Yeah.
[12:41]  * Unit193 wonders if upgrading to vivid was a bad idea..
[12:41] <knome> Unit193, awesome idea.
[12:41] <knome> upgrade wo w.
[12:41] <knome> to
[12:44] <Unit193> Hm?
[12:45] <knome> i'm just toying with you :P
[12:50] <elfy> sound indicator appears to have issues here too 
[12:51] <Unit193> Yep, that it has.
[12:51] <elfy> Unit193: recently for you?
[12:51] <Unit193> Well, the theme for all indicators rather.  What issue do you have?
[12:51] <elfy> last week (ish)
[12:52] <elfy> empty 'square' and nothing there properly if clicked on 
[12:52] <ochosi> rly?
[12:52] <ochosi> odd
[12:52] <ochosi> the volume scale doesn't work well
[12:53] <ochosi> that's what i noticed and forwarded
[12:53] <ochosi> the rest seemed okayish
[12:53] <elfy> possibly like it was ~14.04 time
[12:54] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/sIBNe1c.png
[12:54] <elfy> sound ind is between date and message one
[12:54] <elfy> bbl - back off out now
[12:55] <ochosi> odd
[13:34] <bluesabre> Hoping to get my internet set up today..
[13:35] <bluesabre> Until then, still not around.
[13:36] <bluesabre> And, sorry to have missed the meeting yesterday. :(
[13:44] <ochosi> oh hey bluesabre 
[13:44] <ochosi> good luck with your internet and new flat and all!
[13:44] <ochosi>  :)
[14:04] <brainwash> jjfrv8: I've updated the bug report. So, the next step would be to test the RC releases of 3.17 (bisect) and find the exact commit which fixed your issue. If we manage to do this, then we could try to backport the fix via SRU request.. However, I'm not sure if it's worth to go through all these steps.
[14:05] <brainwash> 3.18 is almost ready for vivid and utopic is just a short term release anyway
[14:50] <jjfrv8> brainwash, imho it doesn't seem worth it to try to fix utopic either. I'd be willing to go through the exercise if somebody decides otherwise
[14:51] <jjfrv8> but I'd rather focus on testing vivid
[14:52] <jjfrv8> I will reinstall with today's daily and test 3.18, just to be sure that one works as well.
[16:51] <elfy> well that's awesome then - bug in ppa-purge ... say n and it will say it's going to abort - then just carries on :)
[16:55] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy, can you do me a favor?
[16:55] <elfy> if possible slickymasterWork 
[16:56] <slickymasterWork> can you confirm me if you received https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-January/010516.html in your email
[16:56] <elfy> I know I did 
[16:56] <knome> if it makes a difference, i did
[16:56] <slickymasterWork> I didn't :P
[16:56] <elfy> checking my mail - got it at 5th Jan 
[16:57] <slickymasterWork> and I was finding it odd
[16:57] <knome> slickymasterWork, i think you can set a bit to not receive your own mails
[16:57] <elfy> you can for sure do that
[16:58] <elfy> ~I think ... 
[16:58] <knome> definitely can
[16:58] <slickymasterWork> lol knome,  you were the one who set it up (my ML settings)
[16:58] <knome> i changed one setting
[16:58] <knome> what was that again
[16:58] <knome> :P
[17:00] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/P0b7AX7L
[17:00] <slickymasterWork> it was to disable the digest mode knome, iirc
[17:00] <knome> right
[17:00] <elfy> am I going mad - did I say the wrong thing at line 37 
[17:00] <knome> that doesn't affect metoo
[17:00] <knome> elfy, nope
[17:00] <elfy> lovely :)
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> knome: "Receive your own posts to the list?" -> Yes
[17:01] <elfy> best report that I guess
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> what gives?!
[17:01] <knome> slickymasterWork, i've set that as not and back to yes
[17:01] <knome> let's see what gives
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> haha
[17:02] <elfy> slickymasterWork: sometimes I have found that messages I have sent to m/l's get flagged as spam 
[17:02]  * slickymasterWork blames the ML admin
[17:02] <knome> slickymasterWork, i mean NOW
[17:02]  * slickymasterWork hides right away
[17:02] <knome> slickymasterWork, i did those in 5 seconds P
[17:02] <knome> not before
[17:02] <knome> silly slickymasterWork 
[17:03] <slickymasterWork> poor me :(
[17:03]  * slickymasterWork won't mess with the ML much more as he's afraid of possible repercussions
[17:04] <slickymasterWork> ML admin
[17:04] <knome> hah
[17:04] <elfy> new kernel is on it's way 
[17:45] <elfy> ochosi: done - bug 1408046
[19:00] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, ping
[20:39] <elfy> http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/01/an-everyday-linux-user-review-of.html
[20:39] <elfy> another satisfied blog author
[20:43] <ochosi> thanks elfy 
[20:44] <elfy> got a response from seb already ... take it upstream 
[20:44] <ochosi> oh meh
[20:44] <ochosi> i see
[20:45] <ochosi> i thought that maybe they only patched it in ubuntu for unity
[20:47] <ochosi> ok, just checked and they only brought back the menubar with a patch
[20:49] <elfy> I guess I'm lucky with these visual things - no idea what anyone else thinks is normal - so they mostly look right to me 
[20:49] <elfy> it's only when I get something like qt apps all 1990's I might say something ... 
[20:51] <ochosi> yeah, i mean file-roller could be worse
[20:51] <ochosi> but it could also be better...
[20:51] <elfy> yea - I see that *now* :D
[20:53] <ochosi> right :)
[22:07] <ochosi> slickymaster: g+'d your call for translations
[22:07] <elfy> ochosi: you got 5? 
[22:07] <slickymaster> just saw it ochosi 
[22:08] <slickymaster> thanks for that
[22:08] <ochosi> elfy: sure, what's up?
[22:08] <ochosi> slickymaster: np, sry i didn't get to it earlier
[22:09] <elfy> re A2 and the meeting yesterday - thought occurred to me at the time - what's the chances of getting some of the stuff currently in staging actually live before that? 
[22:09] <elfy> bluesabre: this also ^^
[22:09] <elfy> if not then - by Beta 1
[22:09] <ochosi> that depends on bluesabre mostly i guess
[22:10] <ochosi> anything you're thinking of specifically?
[22:10] <elfy> thought so :)
[22:10] <ochosi> i guess the light-locker1.5.1 release will have to be discussed with some ubuntu devs
[22:10] <ochosi> cause it's not in our packagest afaik
[22:10] <ochosi> packageset
[22:10] <elfy> well - mousepad/parole for a start
[22:11] <ochosi> right, that should be doable i suppose
[22:11] <ochosi> but depends on whether bluesabre gets his internet back before a2
[22:11] <elfy> yea - saw all that :)
[22:11] <elfy> ftr I am still really dubious about the gain from doing A2 as it stands ;)
[22:12] <ochosi> mhm, i understand
[22:12] <ochosi> did bluesabre say anything re: a2?
[22:12] <elfy> didn't see anything overnight 
[22:13] <ochosi> right
[22:13] <bluesabre> Still haven't caught up
[22:13] <ochosi> oh wow
[22:13] <ochosi> speak of the devil
[22:13] <elfy> hi bluesabre :)
[22:13] <bluesabre> What do you want to know?
[22:13] <elfy> not got time for all of that ... 
[22:13]  * ochosi thinks of really difficult questions...
[22:13] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[22:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: where do unicorns come from?
[22:13] <elfy> bluesabre: basically I am minded not to do A2
[22:13] <bluesabre> :-)
[22:14] <elfy> we were originally doing it IF systemd was default
[22:14] <bluesabre> Elfy, is agree at this point.
[22:14] <elfy> it's not atm - but can be used
[22:14] <ochosi> yeah, which still isn't the case
[22:14] <bluesabre> I'd
[22:14] <knome> i guess the easiest of the harder questions is:
[22:14] <elfy> then I thought that if we could get stuff from staging into real in time there might be a case for running A2
[22:15] <knome> do the other changes bring so much new that they warrant an A2?
[22:15] <knome> and that, will they make it early enough to repositories
[22:15] <knome> (and are they tested/ready enough to go there)
[22:15] <knome> so really, three questions...
[22:15] <ochosi> i'm mostly interested in the new gtk3 and how it breaks theming tbh
[22:16] <ochosi> not sure parole and mousepad are critical enough to warrant a2
[22:16] <ochosi> light-locker1.5.1 + patched xfpm could be okayish for that
[22:16] <elfy> well without knowing how many people are using the ppa - not way to tell I guess
[22:16] <elfy> or rather I think there is - but PPA 'owner' needs to do it 
[22:17] <bluesabre> I think Unit193 can
[22:17] <ochosi> i think there are no reliable PPA statistics
[22:17] <ochosi> but some guesswork can be done
[22:17] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna look into how many are using the various xubuntu PPAs?
[22:18] <elfy> jfi-ubuntu-ppastats-vivid.list was something that I looked at quickyl
[22:18] <ochosi> Unit193: pretty pleeeeease! :)
[22:18] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/~jfi/+archive/ubuntu/ppastats
[22:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: which do you prefer: argue with ubuntu-devs that ll1.5.1 can be shipped (despite the odd version number) or convince cavalier that we should release 1.6 asap (despite the fact that 1.5.1 isn't exactly widely tested)?
[22:20] <bluesabre> ochosi, I can upload once I have internet
[22:21] <ochosi> oh, ll is in our packageset after all?
[22:21] <bluesabre> I think it is, or was, maybe
[22:21] <ochosi> ok
[22:21] <knome> ochosi, what about simply testing it in A2 and then make cavalier release 1.6 for release?)
[22:21] <ochosi> in that case, let's wait till the staging build is fixed and at least we ourselves have tested it
[22:22] <knome> sounds like a good idea
[22:22] <ochosi> knome: i was asking on the premise that bluesabre can't upload ll himself
[22:22] <bluesabre> Gotta run for now, I have quassel on my phone, so ping me.
[22:22] <ochosi> okeydokey, hf bluesabre and good luck with that internet :)
[22:22] <bluesabre> Hope to be back later today
[22:23] <bluesabre> Thanks
[22:23] <ochosi> i'll probably head to bed in the next 10
[22:23] <elfy> cya bluesabre 
[22:23] <elfy> and I'm off now - night all 
[22:24] <ochosi> night elfy 
[22:26] <knome> nighty elfy 
[22:26] <knome> and ochosi since you're going
[22:26] <elfy> :)
[22:26] <ochosi> night all!
[22:31] <Unit193> ochosi: http://paste.openstack.org/show/y0Qv63BXgssHcRA4kMfo - http://paste.openstack.org/show/XoAiw7m2xeqkAFQ4XVcv/
[22:32] <elfy> thanks Unit193 
[22:32] <elfy> going now lol 
[22:32] <Unit193> Sure, though I wouldn't bet my life on those numbers. :P
[22:33] <knome> light-locker doesn't appear in vivid/i386?
[22:35] <bluesabre> Looks like no internet until Thursday
[22:50] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you get the ping about the panel?
[23:30] <bluesabre> Unit193 for the package?
[23:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: Yeah, I got xfce4-panel ready to go, looks like indicator got uploaded.
[23:33] <bluesabre> K. I can upload towards the end of the week. :-)