[00:02] <m0nkey_> Oh and damn WestJet for canceling my morning flight. Didn't leave until noon. That eats into my time to learn stuff.
[00:57] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci0Pihl2zXY
[00:57] <diddledan> wikipedia - what did we edit in 2014 ^^
[01:23] <diddledan> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11327571/Leap-second-French-time-lords-add-one-second-to-2015.html
[01:23] <diddledan> who knew that time lords were french?!
[01:23] <diddledan> tell that to the doc
[01:24]  * zmoylan-pi thanks the day i decided never to allow a clock in the house that doesn't use radio signal to update
[02:50] <plasmaxbox> how can i reinstall refresh my copy of ubutu
[02:59] <diddledan> reinstall the same way you installed in the first place
[03:00] <plasmaxbox> lol
[04:13] <diddledan> ok, so, antman. wtf, marvel?!
[04:19] <mapp> ANOTHER DAY
[04:19] <mapp> ANOTHER 10PINTS DOWN
[04:19] <mapp> ;)
[08:52] <MooDoo> hows every this morning?
[09:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:32] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:44] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:45] <popey> lets try and predict what james tait will say today is when he arrives...
[09:45] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Old Rock Day! :-)
[09:46] <JamesTait> D'oh!
[09:46] <MooDoo> i wouldn't of thought he'dd be talking about davmor2 as soon as he got in ;)
[09:46] <popey> dammit
[09:46] <popey> I expected Pioneers Day
[09:47] <popey> Or indeed Christmas.
[09:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: \o/ old rock is the best rock \o/
[09:47] <JamesTait> I almost went with I'm Not Going To Take It Any More Day.
[09:47] <popey> heh
[09:47] <JamesTait> davmor2, this day relates to the geological type, though.
[09:55] <awilkins> Those gosh darned new rocks, swanning round the place like they own it, only been here a few million years
[09:56] <awilkins> Some folks these days, they're not even igneous! Chalk, even! Would you give yourselves airs and graces if I could use you to draw with?
[09:58] <DJones> awilkins: Are you quoting the text of a Discworld book (Maybe Thud!)
[09:58] <awilkins> Just from memory. A bit.
[09:58] <awilkins> Not sure it's Thud, feels like an early one
[09:59] <awilkins> Might be from The Light Fantastic when Rincewind encounters the trolls
[09:59] <popey> ho ho http://www.gamespot.com/articles/danish-government-creates-entire-country-in-minecraft-users-promptly-blow-it-up-and-plant-american-flag/1100-6419412/
[10:00] <ali12341> at least they got the scale right
[10:00] <DJones> awilkins: I thought I recognised it anyway, Sgt Detritus if memory serves me right
[10:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> so apple hates vim... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6tTSK_IAAAB9qm.png:large
[10:31] <popey> you know that's an artist render?
[10:31] <popey> not an actual photo of a device
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> oh, thank goodness.  sorry for posting wrong information...
[10:36] <DJones> I can understand why Apple's wouldn't like Vim though, putting a kitchen scouring powder into you're apple crumble won't make it taste very nice :)
[10:36]  * DJones shows his age in knowing what Vim is
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> be quiet or i'll condem you to edlin :-)
[10:37] <DJones> Heh
[10:37] <bigcalm> Morning intrbiz
[10:38] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: Just trying to remember what I used coding on Apple II's
[10:41] <bigcalm> I am amazed by DPD's tracking service. Why can't all delivery companies be so good?
[10:41] <Myrtti> it's not that good in Finland.
[10:41] <bigcalm> Sam is currently making delivery number 22, you are delivery number 44. Sam is approximately 1 hour 30 minutes away from you.
[10:42] <Myrtti> mind you, that system has a flaw: if the delivery would be arriving earlier than the estimate, he'll have to wait at your door until the clock strikes the estimate
[10:42] <Myrtti> I once offered the delivery guy a mug of tea while he waited
[10:42] <bigcalm> Has that ever happened?
[10:42] <bigcalm> Goodness
[10:44] <intrbiz> bigcalm: morning and happy new year
[10:45] <bigcalm> intrbiz: aye, likewise :)
[10:47] <christel> yeah, i once had a bloke having to wait because the handheld thingie wouldn't let him have me sign for the item early! :)
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> so he had time to file a bug report...
[12:29] <ali12341> wow, ethan lee is at agdq
[12:34] <popey> ali12341: ahh, i wondered what that photo of his legs was supposed to be
[12:38] <ali12341> i didn't know rogue legacy was even ported
[13:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: see twitter
[13:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you not see the new one?
[13:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: no
[13:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: Link and release date?
[13:11] <bigcalm> I had to order this from Italy for a princely sum :(
[13:11] <popey> "had to" ☻
[13:12]  * bigcalm nods
[13:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: it was in the xmas catalog http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/TIE-Advanced-Prototype-75082?fromListing=listing
[13:12] <bigcalm> Goodness
[13:12] <bigcalm> Not sure I like the look of it
[13:13] <popey> how much was it from italy?
[13:13] <bigcalm> popey: I had one click amazon enabled on my phone (now disabled)
[13:13] <bigcalm> popey: item cost was about 45 quid
[13:13] <popey> heh
[13:13] <bigcalm> popey: p&p was about 54 quid
[13:14] <popey> thats not so bad
[13:14] <popey> expected you to say 80-100
[13:14] <bigcalm> I don't think I would have spent 100 on the tie fighter
[13:14] <popey> 70 from amazon.de
[13:14] <popey> sam would love that
[13:14] <bigcalm> Want to buy one from the UK? ;)
[13:16] <popey> hah
[13:16] <popey> let me raid his piggy bank ☻
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> is the piggybank made from lego...
[13:17] <Myrtti> oh meh. turns out there's two kinds of XPS 13's
[13:17] <bigcalm> Myrtti: one with a good screen, one with a pish screen?
[13:18] <Myrtti> one with 90W thick barrel power plug, and another with 45W thinner one
[13:18] <Myrtti> I now have a laptop of the latter kind and a power brick of the first kind
[13:18] <bigcalm> Poop
[13:18] <Myrtti> time to do an Amazon return...
[13:19] <Myrtti> on the plus side, I now have two Totoro laptop stickers
[13:20] <Myrtti> just have to pick which one I'll plop on the laptop
[13:22] <bigcalm> I have a Totoro plushie with a missing nostril
[13:22] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BFUVYZE or http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00HAA4H6G
[13:22] <popey> not sure I'd put stickers on a dell
[13:22] <popey> maybe one big ubuntu one
[13:22] <zmoylan-pi> to hide the dell logo :-)
[13:22] <popey> ya
[13:22] <popey> i have a big roundel one on my thinkpad
[13:22] <Myrtti> I just like Totoros
[13:22] <popey> oh those stickers are nice
[13:23] <popey> remind me of that cat
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> only sticky thing on my laptop is band aid covering webcam
[13:23] <Myrtti> I use mine...
[13:23] <popey> Pusheen
[13:23] <Myrtti> Totoro > Pusheen
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> it's there if i want it, but definitely not functional when i'm not using it
[13:24] <Myrtti> I do love my new laptop
[13:25] <Myrtti> great piece of kit this is
[13:27] <Myrtti> this is 8th Dell I've used and I've not had too many troubles with any of them
[13:27] <bigcalm> I'm very happy with my dell
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> I considered a Dell once. But then it started singing?
[13:31] <Myrtti> Did anyone happen to have a spare Ubuntu sticker about the size of a Dell logo :-P
[13:33] <Myrtti> I don't mind paying two quid for the stickers but four pounds for posting them is a bit rich for me
[13:33]  * popey looks
[13:35] <popey> seems not
[13:36] <bigcalm> Myrtti: if you have an inkjet printer, you could print out your own Ubuntu logos on http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adhesive-Clear-Sticker-Paper-Sheets/dp/B004BF8X2W
[13:37] <Myrtti> nope, I gave up on inkjet eons ago
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> but i use those to print out images of power sockets and stick them to walls in public spaces... :-)
[13:38] <Myrtti> I'll just order the stickers from the shop.
[13:40] <Myrtti> there, done.
[13:42] <bigcalm> ꗸ
[13:43] <Myrtti> this week seems to be "Myrtti orders everything online" week
[13:44] <popey> ꗸ
[13:44] <popey> \o/
[13:46] <bigcalm> Came across that while trying to find the ubuntu logo
[13:47] <popey> http://launchpad.net/~popey
[13:47] <popey> there's one
[13:47] <popey> 
[13:55] <awilkins> I tend to just hairdryer off all the Intel and Windows stickers on my laptops and leave it at that
[13:56] <Myrtti> I just let mine fall off when they do
[13:57] <Myrtti> but on the lid...
[13:59] <ChunkzZ> anyone lost a £10 note? :p
[14:53] <diddledan> probably old news to some of you - france: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: there's more: http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/23528833/___Auto_ontploft_bij_Franse_synagoge___.html
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> (warning: Dutch)
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: but.. so sad :(
[14:57] <intrbiz> the sad power of religious indoctrination
[15:03] <shauno> that's mind-bending - I was in Paris last week
[15:06]  * diddledan resists offensive "bender" comment
[15:06] <awilkins> No! Don't avoid offending! Or the TERRISTS WIN.
[15:07]  * MartijnVdS offends.
[15:09] <intrbiz> offence is taken, not given
[15:10] <DJones> popey: Are you around?
[15:10]  * MartijnVdS takes intrbiz' fence
[15:11] <intrbiz> :)
[15:14] <popey> DJones: ya
[15:15] <DJones> Think I found the answer, somebody was asking about ubuntu mates official status in #u
[15:15] <popey> yeah, "not yet"
[15:15] <DJones> Thats where I'd got to
[15:20] <BigRedS> What's the current blessed XMPP client in Ubuntu? Both Pidgin and Empathy seem broken, which should I try to fix? :)
[15:21] <Azelphur> I like Pidgin? why is it broken?
[15:21] <BigRedS> It's convinced it is unable to validate our XMPP server's certificate
[15:21] <ali12341> pidgin is the default in xubuntu, empathy is the default in unity
[15:21] <Azelphur> strange
[15:21] <ali12341> pidgin works fine for me
[15:22] <BigRedS> yeah, I use it everywhere, but I've got this laptop where Pidgin dislikes SSL *and* cleartext and Empathyu always needs to be reminded to log in
[15:29] <BigRedS> ah, I can export the certs from a working pidgin and import them into the broken one.
[15:29] <daftykins> :D
[15:30] <BigRedS> weird. Maybe newer pidgins don't like our certs enough to automatically deal with it for some reason
[15:31] <daftykins> yay i just registered my costa club card with their website and got the android app working :P
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> woohoo. more coffee! :P
[15:34] <diddledan> caffeine coma!
[15:34] <daftykins> \o/
[15:35] <daftykins> we had two local branches for over 2 years before they got hooked up to the coffee club system
[15:35] <daftykins> i'm running folding@home on my CPU and GPU today to help warm the room quicker :P
[15:35]  * SuperEngineer patents "Caffeine Coma" & opens new chain of rails coffee houses
[15:35] <diddledan> lol
[15:36] <daftykins> diddledan: has your AMD box been locking up more?
[15:36] <diddledan> daftykins, I cleaned the heatsink and it appears to be stable again
[15:37] <diddledan> there was a layer of dust preventing any airflow from the fan actually doing anything useful
[15:37] <daftykins> oh dear!
[15:37] <ChunkzZ> anyone know where I can get an iPad unlocked to all networks in the UK?
[15:37] <diddledan> it's idling about 35C now
[15:37] <diddledan> instead of 70C
[15:38] <diddledan> ChunkzZ, apple.com?
[15:38] <daftykins> \o/
[15:38] <ChunkzZ> :/
[15:38] <daftykins> ChunkzZ: questionable request, that
[15:38] <diddledan> yeah, this isn't #applewhores
[15:38] <diddledan> :-p
[15:38] <ChunkzZ> it's a UK channel, I asked a UK question.
[15:38] <diddledan> sorry, I let the terrorists win
[15:39] <diddledan> referential/memory comedy ftw
[15:40] <Myrtti> tsk.
[15:40] <diddledan> ChunkzZ, this is first and foremost an ubuntu channel
[15:40] <daftykins> *rolleyes*
[15:40] <Myrtti> it's not really that hard to find someone, anyway
[15:40] <Myrtti> a bit of effort is required
[15:40] <diddledan> Myrtti, indeed
[15:41] <diddledan> Myrtti, *open browser. type apple.com. press enter.*
[15:41] <ChunkzZ> diddledan, sigh.
[15:42] <Myrtti> or "go to a shopping mall, bypass the dead sea cosmetics, scarf and dreamcatcher and loft insulation salespeople and go to the bloke fixing broken screens and doing unlockings"
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> ...or open a map to see which town/city you live in. Once found, append "street market" to name... go there
[15:42] <daftykins> ChunkzZ: no, sigh at your attitude bringing that topic onto freenode.
[15:43] <ChunkzZ> fuck sake I only asked a question, didn't know I was being done for murder..............
[15:43] <diddledan> !language
[15:43] <SuperEngineer> &
[15:43] <SuperEngineer> it's a family channel!
[15:43] <popey> Lets start again shall we?
[15:43] <diddledan> yes, lets
[15:43] <ujjain> let's !!
[15:43] <ujjain> start again, start again
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> +1
[15:44] <ali12341> okay
[15:44]  * diddledan cuddles popey the master of all things sane
[15:44] <ujjain> I'm at the office Sundays to Thursdays from 08:00 to 17:00 <  is this proper English?
[15:44] <popey> first we need a big bang i think.
[15:44] <diddledan> popey, this is a family channel! :-p
[15:44] <popey> ujjain: good enough for government work
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> first the earth cooled...
[15:44] <ali12341> ChunkzZ: do you want to buy an already unlocked ipad, or do you want to unlock the one you have?
[15:44] <popey> then the dinosaurs came!
[15:44] <popey> but they got big and fat..
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> i love that movie!! \o/
[15:45] <popey> me too ☻
[15:45] <ujjain> popey hahaha :D
[15:45] <ChunkzZ> ali12341, to buy one that's locked to EE
[15:45] <ChunkzZ> but dm,
[15:45] <ChunkzZ> thanks for your help
[15:45] <diddledan> o_O
[15:45] <Myrtti> "life is"
[15:46] <diddledan> Myrtti, I like chocolates
[15:46] <diddledan> I find chocolates are like life
[15:46] <diddledan> you never know what you gonna get
[15:46] <daftykins> i see #ubuntu-uk 's English classes are still running :>
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> i always read the inlay on box of choccies. i always know what i'm going to get
[15:47] <popey> i just eat them all
[15:47] <diddledan> ^^ +1
[15:47] <popey> there has yet to be a chocolate I don't like
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> yeah... well... i do that too... but i still know...
[15:47] <Myrtti> I just buy a box with only one kind in it
[15:47] <daftykins> Myrtti: that's boring :(
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> depends on the choccies
[15:47] <Myrtti> no, it's looovely
[15:48] <daftykins> i'm not too fond of orange ones
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> i did get through a tin of emeralds over crimbo...
[15:48] <daftykins> anyone ever tried Chilli chcolate? that's a bit weird
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> more a test of endurance?
[15:48] <popey> I had marmite chocolate
[15:48] <popey> i love marmite
[15:48] <daftykins> D:
[15:48] <popey> marmite chocolate was difficult
[15:48] <diddledan> >.<
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> and guinness made a chocolate that a mate tried last year
[15:48]  * diddledan winces
[15:49] <popey> dont think i finished the bar
[15:49] <zmoylan-pi> he didn't like it, but he finished it...
[15:49] <BigRedS> I had garlic chocolate the other day
[15:49] <BigRedS> that was odd
[15:49] <daftykins> doh, my home insurance renewal letter came in today :(
[15:49] <popey> any of you played MinuteQuest on Android?
[15:49] <daftykins> nope
[15:49] <popey> its quite cute
[15:50] <SuperEngineer> "hot chocolate, drinking chocolate" [for those that remember]
[15:50] <daftykins> does it allow progress on a per minute basis, hence the name?
[15:51] <popey> its small
[15:52] <popey> so that meaning of minute ☻
[15:52] <daftykins> d'aww
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> Android: a device famous for shouting "Danger, Will Scarlet, danger!"
[15:52] <diddledan> oooh, minute, not minute
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> ..or was thar Robinson ;)
[15:53] <daftykins> ah, my newt
[15:53] <zmoylan-pi> oh the shame, the shame...
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> :D
[16:06]  * Laney waits for the heating to come on
[16:06] <Laney> any minute now ...
[16:06] <diddledan> Laney, I'm chillywilly, too
[16:06] <diddledan> bloomin' seasons
[16:06] <zmoylan-pi> i used to like chillywillie ice pops as a kid
[16:06] <Laney> I bought a Nest over the hols, bloke's coming to put it in tomorrow
[16:06] <Laney> that'll be fun
[16:06] <diddledan> how dare winter. how very dare it.
[16:07] <Laney> being able to turn it on using me phone
[16:07] <diddledan> that sounds awesome!
[16:07] <zmoylan-pi> i can throw my dump nokia at switch on wall to turn on heating already :-)
[16:08] <zmoylan-pi> *dumb
[16:13] <Laney> ah
[16:13] <Laney> here we go
[16:13] <Laney> socks off, feet on radiator
[16:14] <daftykins> :>
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> that's bad for your feet
[16:15] <Laney> thanks dad
[16:15]  * SuperEngineer has just checked amount spent via paypal last month...
[16:16] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, that's a bad idea
[16:16] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, it's a common cause of heart attack
[16:16] <SuperEngineer> ...even after deducting the £35 Linux Voice sub - that Steam sale proved "expensive"
[16:16] <SuperEngineer> ..but fun!
[16:16] <diddledan> linux voice ftw
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, +1
[16:18] <diddledan> linux format tends to be about appeasing commercial overlords rather than promoting freedom
[16:19] <diddledan> I think that's even more evident now the team doesn't have the linuxvoice dudes trying to keep it sane
[16:19] <SuperEngineer> and annoyingly - it still appears on racks more than the real magazine
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> my mag racks have format and voice in equal numbers these days
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, your mafia must be better than my mafia
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> ireland is weird for mags as there are only 2 companies that import them.  one has 95% of market and one has 5%
[16:22] <daftykins> heh
[16:22] <daftykins> i don't even know where i'd go to find magazines here, supermarket ones would be very limited
[16:22] <daftykins> probably have to manually request them
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> but they're not proud and if there was demand for 100 trainspotter mags they'd import and flog them
[16:23] <SuperEngineer> England has a similatr arrangement.  You vcan either beg your local stockist or you tell them you're gonna "send the boys" round
[16:23] <diddledan> chrome has an ssh client available in beta now - using nacl - made by googley and available in the chromestore
[16:30] <daftykins> Well this is a new issue on me, the boss' secretary is spending a month in Australia at the moment, so she has a laptop with her work email on there. Creating calendar entries is getting all confused between timezones :D
[16:30] <diddledan> oh joy
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> swap to stardates...
[16:31] <daftykins> :D
[16:31] <diddledan> the world is going to end on june 30th this year - we're getting a leapsecond added
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> so it won't end on time... it'll be a second out?
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> pffft, typical :-)
[16:32] <diddledan> no the leapsecond will cause the end
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> nah it'll just annoy a lot of people in i.t.
[16:33] <diddledan> apparently the US want to disassociate the canonical time from the rotation of the Earth thereby removing the need for leapseconds
[16:33] <intrbiz> hopefully the kernel will tollerate the leapsecond this time around
[16:33] <diddledan> it will however mean that sunrise can't be guaranteed to occur at the correct time
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> apart from the smug dos user as it's times are rounded down to 2 seconds... damn you g.r.r.martin :-)
[16:39] <diddledan> http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/06/twitter-saves-man-having-poo-on-virgin-trains-who-ran-out-of-loo-roll-5011355/
[16:40] <diddledan> I'm widdling myself at that
[16:40] <Laney> better tweet someone for a new pair of pants
[16:41] <ali12341>  /nick widdledan
[16:42]  * zmoylan-pi always has 1-2 small packs of tissues in back pack... just in case
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> no comment
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> ;~)
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> Currently watching "Bad Robots" E4 [E4
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> =1 atm} - soooo true to life & a great laugh
[16:53] <daftykins> it's those times on southwest trains when the huge rounded toilet door opens whilst occupied, oh dear.
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> yup
[16:53] <daftykins> just politely averting your eyes and holding your nose...
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> ..& shouting "Oi! not at the station!"
[17:03] <SuperEngineer> ooo - another good thing about Bad Robots - gparted sneakily finished a partition resize whilst I was watching it - laughter is fun AND good!
[17:04] <Azelphur> I'm really getting fed up with enta.net https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=50736ec0ea25462fcb5e9e5c14ce5920
[17:04] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur, change?
[17:05] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: funny part is everyone else is worse
[17:05] <diddledan> the eu cookie law is stupid: "Like most websites Channel 4 uses cookies. In order to deliver a personalised, responsive service and to improve the site, we remember and store information about how you use it. This is done using simple text files called cookies which sit on your computer. These cookies are completely safe and secure and will never contain any sensitive information. They are used only by Channel 4 or the trusted partners we
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> yikes!
[17:05] <diddledan> work with."
[17:05] <Azelphur> at least with enta I can bypass the traffic management for test purposes
[17:06] <diddledan> the cookie may be completely safe and secure and never contain sensitive information but that doesn't mean the server isn't collecting sensitive information which it then ties to the cookie
[17:06] <diddledan> the whole eu law seems to think the issue is with cookies themselves storing the bad things
[17:07] <diddledan> Azelphur, your down is slower than your up? that's wonkybackasswards!
[17:07] <Azelphur> diddledan: it's because they are overselling
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> diddledan,  used "only by Channel 4 or the trusted partners" - therein lies the problem, it means who *they* trust, not you
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> ...& NSA
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> ..&GCHQ
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> ... & GOOGLE
[17:08] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, that's the data stored in the cookie they're referring to in that message, not the data they actually collect
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> so?
[17:10] <diddledan> pretty much no website will store your phone number in a cookie, e.g. but that doesn't stop them storing the number at all - the eu cookie law only forces them to tell you they're storing a cookie and thus they have no PII
[17:10] <SuperEngineer> you do know what's stored in a cookie I assume?
[17:11] <mapp> gah
[17:11] <mapp> having no desk sucks
[17:11] <daftykins> buy one! :P
[17:11] <mapp> sit on my bed using my laptop and endup with a dead leg from sitting awkwardly
[17:11] <mapp> no room for it man
[17:11] <mapp> the apartments here are tiny
[17:11] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, usually a cookie contains either a Session ID or some form of proving you're you to create a new session id when the old session id is dead
[17:11] <mapp> i miss having a desk and chair and big tv next to it..sit at the desk wath tv and use my machine
[17:12] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, it does not contain PII
[17:12] <SuperEngineer> [& please let's not get into super cookies, everlasting cookies & of course, the new [nah, not even gonna give it publicuty here]
[17:12] <daftykins> wheel a chair up to your bed then put down a door between the headboard and foot end :D
[17:12] <mapp> heh
[17:12] <mapp> atching horrible bosses 2
[17:12] <mapp> not too bad
[17:13] <diddledan> the PII can be collected at will without informing anyone as long as it's not stored in a cookie (which it invariably isn't)
[17:13] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, I'm sorry, what was that you wanted me to use your to/for?
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> *door to/for
[17:14] <daftykins> that was for mapp to make a desk
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> phew!
[17:14] <daftykins> :D
[17:14] <mapp> ya it sucks not having one..could use table in lounge but feels weird
[17:14] <mapp> prefer to stay in room
[17:14] <mapp> :)
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> "Red Star OS, the open source operating system from North Korea" - some phrases really do contradict themselves!
[17:20] <SuperEngineer> whoooops! politics
[17:20]  * SuperEngineer slaps wrist
[17:21] <diddledan> http://grahamcluley.com/2015/01/sony-hack-attribution-generator/
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> the firewall is exceptional and it features a spectacular dmz
[17:22] <diddledan> I love how consumer routers call "forward everything to this computer: X.Y.Z.A" a "dmz"
[17:23] <zmoylan-pi> gotta use military terms to sound secure
[17:23] <mapp> well isnt that basically what dmz is?
[17:23] <mapp> and red star os lol
[17:23] <diddledan> no
[17:24] <diddledan> a dmz is a separate subnet
[17:24] <diddledan> usually with its' own firewall
[17:24] <diddledan> and a firewall between the dmz and lan
[17:25] <daftykins> it's just easier to call a single forwarded IP the 'DMZ' rather than "the thing that's kinda like a DMZ but without a separate network segment"
[17:26] <mapp> aha
[17:26] <mapp> didnt know it was a seperate subnet
[17:26] <mapp> used to the consumer router term as you mentioned above;p
[17:27] <diddledan> in networking tho a dmz is a specific thing so it makes people who understand that it's not a dmz at all wonder about the manufacturer's networking credibility, and convinces people who don't understand the concept that they're secure
[17:28] <intrbiz> dmz's are not really the best approach these days
[17:28] <mapp> what would be better
[17:28] <intrbiz> better to fine grain separate services and control access
[17:29] <intrbiz> rather than sticking all external facing servers together with uncontrolled access between each
[17:29] <diddledan> dmzs are a good idea IMO if you're putting public services and you have a set of hosts that you don't want to be public - the public can get pwnd as much as a hacker likes but it won't expose your private network
[17:30] <diddledan> intrbiz, I'd do that in addition to dmz
[17:30] <diddledan> not instead
[17:30] <mapp> but diddledan  surely dmz means all ports accessible ..why would you do this over forward specific ports
[17:31] <diddledan> no, dmz has no concept of what ports are accessible
[17:31] <intrbiz> diddledan: why not segment your public facing hosts too?
[17:31] <diddledan> dmz is a segmentation technique not an access control technique
[17:32] <intrbiz> what is harmful is when people think just about a dmz rather than segmenting service areas
[17:33] <diddledan> intrbiz, yes, it's PART of the overall solution, not the solution itself
[17:33] <intrbiz> nothing wrong with having multiple 'dmz's
[17:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: you alive?
[17:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: I am
[17:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: guessing you're too busy again for the LUG tonight?
[17:34] <diddledan> anywho, I'm heading out for a bit.. ttfn
[17:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I'm going
[17:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you going to LUG tonight?
[17:35] <bigcalm> intrbiz: aye, changed my mind and felt the need to get out of the house
[17:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: doh, so you are. Don't know why I didn't think you weren't
[17:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: don't mind me, carry on
[17:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: okay
[17:36]  * bigcalm throws lego bricks at davmor2
[17:37] <bigcalm> Bring your phone, I wanna play!
[17:37]  * davmor2 builds a hammer and hit bigcalm with it till it breaks
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> Odd, but the "DMZee" [demilitarised zone] could better implemented via an NML [no man's land]
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> [just a thought]
[17:41] <Azelphur> Does anyone know the deal with Ofcom and minimum bandwidth speeds is?
[17:42] <daftykins> i bet it's way lower than what you've got
[17:42] <Azelphur> daftykins: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4035074821 on 70mbit fiber
[17:43] <daftykins> numbers would've been easier :(
[17:43] <Azelphur> lol
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> While you all whinge about sppeds - please remember - I'm "forced" to put up with a download speed max of 250MB [yupp, Mb]
[17:47] <daftykins> err
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> - I would complain to the person I'm "borrowing the connection from.. but ya know, don't wanna cUSE FRICTION ;)
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> *cause
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> :D
[17:48] <daftykins> what's the best download speed you've seen real world?
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> me?
[17:48] <Azelphur> 250mbit is 250x as fast as what I'm getting? XD
[17:49] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur, that's ridiculous! are you "borrowing" as well
[17:49] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: nope, I'm paying for 70mbit
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> yikes!
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> time to thow custard at your supplier
[17:50] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:52] <awilkins> And I thought 22/60 Mbit/s was a custard throwing offence....
[17:52] <awilkins> I might click the button that upgrades me to 100Mbit/s and see if it actually does anything
[17:52] <awilkins> 22/100 sounds much worse
[17:54] <SuperEngineer> especially as an exam result - it's called a fail - why not remind them of that
[17:54] <daftykins> :D
[18:02] <daftykins> diddledan: i hope your lights are on
[18:04] <awilkins> WEll.. so, at least my upload will double
[18:04] <awilkins> That will be useful in itself
[18:04] <awilkins> And my "throttled" speed will basically be what my normal speed is now
[18:05] <awilkins> So huzaah
[18:16] <SuperEngineer> me go eat - bfn
[18:16] <daftykins> o/
[20:42] <diddledan> and back
[21:03] <mapp> hewwo
[21:03] <mapp> what film to wathc tonight
[21:03] <mapp> hms
[21:03] <mapp> thinking before i go to sleep or american sniper
[22:06]  * diddledan watching silent witless
[22:25] <daftykins> mmm first tin of baked beans in a long time, so good :D
[22:25] <diddledan> beans are awesome
[22:27] <popey> mmmmmm beanz
[22:27] <popey> especially with sriracha
[22:28] <awilkins_> Sriracha rescues many foods
[22:28] <awilkins_> DO make my own baked beans from time to time though
[23:06] <popey> dont think I've ever done that
[23:15] <m0nkey_> Today I saw OpenSCO Server in the wild!
[23:15] <diddledan> really?
[23:15] <diddledan> wow
[23:15] <m0nkey_> Yeah
[23:15] <diddledan> was it maintained?
[23:15] <diddledan> (do SCO still exist, even?)
[23:15] <m0nkey_> The guy was using it as his desktop!
[23:16] <diddledan> looks like they've changed their name: http://www.xinuos.com/
[23:16] <m0nkey_> Its an old machine. Mid 90s I guess.
[23:16] <popey> golly
[23:16] <diddledan> a desktop sco?!
[23:16] <diddledan> wow that really is obscure
[23:17] <m0nkey_> Server edition on an old desktop. With the hard drive making that annoying metallic buzzing sound.
[23:17] <diddledan> eep
[23:23] <m0nkey_> Food time.