[01:16] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I packaged all but 2 of the christmas translation releases, a few just had bzr issues so they weren't sponsored
[01:17] <Noskcaj> and my thunar branch had a bad changelog, which is now fixed
[05:04] <Unit193> Debian #774747
[11:06] <ochosi> humm, catfish's sidebar still isn't ideal with greybird :/
[11:07] <ochosi> also doesn't work too well with numix, adwaita is ok
[11:07] <ochosi> (in vivid, ofc)
[11:59] <ochosi> meh, upower0.99 seems to be a lot slower in recognizing when my laptop gets plugged in
[11:59] <ochosi> or at least: xfpm + upower0.99
[12:03] <Unit193> ochosi: Oh, btw.  Can/should I be using xfce-4.12 PPA almost how I'm using my own xfce one?  "Backporting" the vivid releases to utopic.
[12:06] <ochosi> yeah, that'd be nice
[12:07] <ochosi> at least that way we're offering a sane way for folks who are using utopic to get fixes without waiting for SRUs that might not come
[12:07] <ochosi> doing that for trusty as well would be good
[12:07] <ochosi> despite the chances of SRUs happening there being higher
[12:10] <Unit193> Not sticking git snapshots in though.
[12:10] <Unit193> Though I have to say, imgur support is handy dandy!
[12:11] <ochosi> yup, exactly, only actual releases
[12:11] <ochosi> and yeah, hope we get that in a stable release soonish
[12:11] <ochosi> i like it a lot too
[12:15] <ochosi> bbl
[13:20] <brainwash> ochosi: I've tested it now. if light-locker is set to auto lock when the screen saver activates, then the power manager won't be able to suspend/hibernate the system after inactivity
[13:21] <brainwash> because we already switched to vt8
[13:21] <brainwash> bug 1319598
[13:21] <ochosi> what about late locking?
[13:21] <brainwash> mark as invalid and tell people to configure light-locker to auto lock when the screen saver deactivates?
[13:21] <brainwash> yes, late locking works fine
[13:22] <ochosi> right, tell them to do that then
[13:22] <ochosi> the other variant can't work
[13:22] <brainwash> ok, strangely no one has find that out yet
[13:23] <brainwash> another workaround mentioned in the comment section is to edit the upower policy for suspend as inactive user
[13:24] <brainwash> so, there is nothing to fix in our packages
[13:24] <ochosi> not really
[13:24] <brainwash> :)
[13:25] <ochosi> only thing we could do is make that option insensitive in xfpm
[13:25] <brainwash> or make late locking the default pick?
[13:26] <brainwash> maybe even hide the normal/instant lock mode?
[13:27] <brainwash> I don't know if there are any drawbacks with late looking
[13:28] <ochosi> not sure either tbh
[13:28] <ochosi> so much depends on hardware with vt switching...
[13:28] <ochosi> hw+drivers
[13:29] <brainwash> and policies
[13:29] <ochosi> yeah, that too
[13:30] <brainwash> btw while testing this stuff I was reminded of bug 1013945
[13:30] <brainwash> had to wait 15 minutes :D
[13:32] <ochosi> only because you didn't want to do it via xfconf i suppose
[13:32] <ochosi> iirc you can set a lower timeout there
[13:32] <brainwash> heh, but it would make sense to allow lower values
[13:32] <brainwash> via GUI
[13:32] <brainwash> for mobile devices
[13:34] <brainwash> oh wait, I'm confused.. it's actually fixed?
[13:35] <brainwash> I tested it in vivid which should ship with version 1.4
[13:36] <ochosi> xfce doesn't play well on mobile devices
[13:37] <ochosi> at least if we have the same understanding of mobile being something !desktop && !laptop
[13:37] <brainwash> laptop
[13:38] <brainwash> it's a desktop pc actually which I'm using to test, so maybe the battery tab in xfpm allows lower values
[13:39] <brainwash> maybe I'll ask hjudt about this
[13:47] <ochosi> elfy: can you confirm that e.g. in transmission the menubar's menuitems are too wide in vivid? (padding on the left, about 16px) http://i.imgur.com/XsCjkTk.png (screenshot is with adwaita, not greybird, but the problem is the same)
[13:47] <ochosi> (and anyone else testing vivid ^)
[13:49] <elfy> can confirm
[13:54] <ochosi> ok ty
[16:37] <ochosi> elfy: do you also see this: whiskermenu's button in the panel doesn't look "pressed" anymore when the menu is open in vivid
[16:37] <ochosi> bbl
[17:47] <elfy> ochosi: can confirm that - but then I'd not ever noticed it looking pressed before either
[18:26] <elfy> booted 14.04 - doesn't appear to do that there either
[19:59] <ochosi> elfy: weird, ok, then i'll see whether i'll report a bug
[20:02] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Might be fixed upstream already, we're behind by two point releases
[20:03] <ochosi> oh
[20:03] <ochosi> meh, why's that?
[20:03] <Noskcaj> no one sponsors me
[20:03] <ochosi> meh :/
[20:03] <ochosi> why's that?
[20:03] <Noskcaj> christmas break
[20:04] <Noskcaj> and half of xfce's stuff breaks bzr's tarball import
[20:04] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Did you end up taking any of the new xfce releases? I've got to redo a few of mine as debdiffs
[20:19] <Noskcaj> When does bluesabre get back?
[20:20] <ochosi> he said maybe thursday
[20:20] <ochosi> depends on when his interwebs get set up
[20:21] <Noskcaj> ok, i need him to sponsor a bunch of stuff that day then, since i'm away with no internet from the 10th to the 24th
[20:29] <ochosi> right, keeping my fingers crossed that it'll work out then
[20:29] <ochosi> and enjoy (what i presume is) your time off!
[20:32] <elfy> evening ochosi :)
[20:34] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[20:35] <brainwash> ochosi: interesting new commit http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-utils/commit/?id=0f06aadc8696f3e9234687bbc93b50a3f724b822
[20:35] <elfy> ochosi: when you say 'pressed' what do you actually mean? 
[20:35] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Yeah, at least the panel.
[20:35] <ochosi> brainwash: right, i sent that patch. rex sucks at attribution
[20:35] <brainwash> heh :D
[20:36] <ochosi> elfy: well try any other button in the panel (indicators etc), they have a special state in which they are drawn "pressed down" to give you the feedback that they're clickable
[20:36] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Panel and indicator-plugin had source conflicts in bzr. Do you want to do both of those? I've got everything except cpufreq-plugin done
[20:37] <ochosi> brainwash: and he takes his time. took him only 8 months to merge that 4-liner (after having read the code almost instantaneously)
[20:37] <ochosi> but i won't complain, at least it's merged...
[20:37] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Also, any progress on abiword?
[20:37] <ochosi> elfy: btw, i updated the fix for shaded windows and intelligent hiding a few minutes ago, should work and get merged this time ;)
[20:37] <Unit193> Noskcaj: What do you mean?
[20:37] <ochosi> oh crap. there he goes.
[20:38] <elfy> ha ha 
[20:38] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Were you going to merge/sync it?
[20:38] <elfy> ochosi: unless you happen to click hexchat in the panel - that just ends up unusable :D
[20:38] <Unit193> No.
[20:39] <Noskcaj> i'll merge the version in unstable today then
[20:39] <elfy> ochosi: but - yes can see what you mean now and I definitely confirm I'm not seeing that with whisker now - or indeed ever
[20:40] <brainwash> ochosi: it's something. I messed around a bit with xdg-screensaver to solve the "parole resets screen saver timeout to 600" bug, but I'll have to review it again
[20:40] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Sean was going to look at the one in experimental, much more fun than unstable...
[20:40] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll wait till i can talk to him about it then
[20:44] <ochosi> elfy: btw, i updated the fix for shaded windows and intelligent hiding a few minutes ago, should work and get merged this time ;) (sorry for reposting, but you went offline when i said that)
[20:44] <ochosi> brainwash: ah nice
[20:44] <ochosi> i hope ll1.5.1 lands soon, so we can fix xdg-screensaver to work with ll
[20:45] <elfy> ochosi: woohoo - as soon as I see it I will test that :)
[20:47] <Noskcaj> If anyone wants to test gtk 3.15's current affects on our themes, ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging now has most of the gnome libs (including gtk) at 3.15.3
[20:54] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i seriously hope 3.16 isn't landing this cycle
[20:54] <ochosi> no more updating themes
[20:54] <Noskcaj> ochosi, No, the theme breaking is too much
[20:54] <Unit193> Breaking.
[20:54] <ochosi> and some stuff is already broken with our themes and i'm afraid nobody will fix it cause it doesn't affect unity
[20:55] <Noskcaj> No one has fixed half of the stuff affecting unity yet (headerbar patches, gnome-user-share being from 2011)
[20:55] <ochosi> for 3.14 you mean?
[20:56] <Noskcaj> yes
[20:56] <ochosi> yeah
[20:56] <ochosi> that's why i don't even wanna try 3.15 ;)
[20:57] <Noskcaj> Completely unrelated, should we turn on weather-plugin's upower support?
[21:04] <Unit193> What does it add?
[21:05] <elfy> you can get your local temperature down to 0K I think
[21:05] <Noskcaj> from configure.ac "upower for adapting update interval to power state"
[21:06] <brainwash> I guess no.. unless someone complains that the plugin is draining his battery
[21:08] <Noskcaj> Could we add it to one of the ~xubuntu-dev PPAs?
[21:09] <Noskcaj> It would be nice to have if we can confirm it work
[21:09] <Noskcaj> *works
[21:15] <elfy> pleia2: added proposed schedule to incentive pad
[21:17] <pleia2> elfy: thank you :) I'll draft up a blog post at the bottom of the pad later (you keep giving me work!)
[21:17] <elfy> ok - let me know and I'll give it a quick look before it's published
[21:18] <pleia2> much appreciated
[21:19] <elfy> ok - I'll see if I can find something else for you to do 
[21:20] <elfy> or did you not mean that :D
[21:25] <pleia2> make it stop /o\
[21:26] <pleia2> hehe
[21:26] <elfy> :)
[21:29]  * Unit193 wonders if he should find something.
[21:43] <knome> pleia2, feel free to ping me if/when you need help
[22:07] <ochosi> knome: btw, how's the development-wall coming along?
[22:08] <elfy> night all 
[22:12] <knome> ochosi, what you saw is the last revision
[22:12] <ochosi> woot? that's it?
[22:12] <knome> but as i said, it's just some tweaking
[22:12] <ochosi> :)
[22:12] <knome> i'll do that once i'm better
[22:12] <ochosi> so not the last, but the latest
[22:12] <ochosi> phew
[22:13] <knome> hah
[22:22] <ochosi> Unit193: re: "train your unit", how about trying to go for upload rights to the package-set?
[22:23] <Unit193> ochosi: I don't have many uploads.
[22:23] <ochosi> that could be changed
[22:25] <knome> yeaaaaah
[22:27] <slickymaster> go for it Unit193 
[22:27] <ochosi> just seeing how things are slowing down when bluesabre isn't around...
[22:29] <knome> yes, nobody can disagree that having multiple (semi-)active uploaders would be a bad thing
[22:30] <knome> Unit193, you know, as always, you have my full support...
[22:30] <Unit193> knome: But good chances for review are great.
[22:33] <knome> i didn't quite follow, but if you are running for the upload rights, great ;)
[22:33] <ochosi> hehe, well played
[22:43] <Unit193> Not right now, no.
[22:44] <knome> Unit193, but tomorrow, yes?
[22:49] <Noskcaj> Unit193, You'll probably get them before me, so please try
[22:50] <Unit193> Noskcaj: You've got a lot more uploads, but yes I'll try by the end of this cycle or next cycle.
[22:51] <Noskcaj> I also can't attend irc meetings, and have had a few bad uploads
[22:51] <Noskcaj> great
[22:59] <knome> Noskcaj, you have my support as well :)
[23:03] <Noskcaj> :)
[23:24] <Unit193> knome: Right, but getting support from sponsors is kind of ideal.
[23:34] <knome> but of course
[23:37] <Unit193> Hrm, our friendly neighborhood MOTU seems AFK for now.